FBI agent kills man linked to Boston bombing suspects

[Canadian_watcher]

Living organisms do. And humans will, if necessary. The world is a hostile place — by nature — it's "hard-wired" that way.

If you haven't figured even that out yet, it's no wonder you come up with all the crackpot stuff you promote here so readily.

and if you haven't figured out that there's plenty of this world that is not hostile it's no wonder you come off as such an angry, classless, big mouth asshole on a continuous basis.

[Simulist]

Living organisms do. And humans will, if necessary. The world is a hostile place — by nature — it's "hard-wired" that way.

If you haven't figured even that out yet, it's no wonder you come up with all the crackpot stuff you promote here so readily.

and if you haven't figured out that there's plenty of this world that is not hostile it's no wonder you come off as such an angry, classless, big mouth asshole on a continuous basis.

As a part of this world, it sounds like you're pretty "hard-wired for conflict" yourself.

[Canadian_watcher]

Living organisms do. And humans will, if necessary. The world is a hostile place — by nature — it's "hard-wired" that way.

If you haven't figured even that out yet, it's no wonder you come up with all the crackpot stuff you promote here so readily.

and if you haven't figured out that there's plenty of this world that is not hostile it's no wonder you come off as such an angry, classless, big mouth asshole on a continuous basis.

As a part of this world, it sounds like you're pretty "hard-wired for conflict" yourself.

nope.

[Simulist]

Living organisms do. And humans will, if necessary. The world is a hostile place — by nature — it's "hard-wired" that way.

If you haven't figured even that out yet, it's no wonder you come up with all the crackpot stuff you promote here so readily.

and if you haven't figured out that there's plenty of this world that is not hostile it's no wonder you come off as such an angry, classless, big mouth asshole on a continuous basis.

As a part of this world, it sounds like you're pretty "hard-wired for conflict" yourself.

nope.

The world is "hard-wired for conflict." That fact is indisputable.

And I've honestly appreciated your small demonstration of that this morning.

[Canadian_watcher]

The world is "hard-wired for conflict." That fact is indisputable.

And I've honestly appreciated your small demonstration of that this morning.

you're not really doing this, are you?
*sigh*

[Simulist]

The world is "hard-wired for conflict." That fact is indisputable.

And I've honestly appreciated your small demonstration of that this morning.

you're not really doing this, are you?
*sigh*

Canadian_watcher, you are in denial of a basic fact of our existence here on this planet: namely, that living organisms — like humans — are "hard-wired" for conflict in order to survive.

By your determined refusal to accept this basic fact of life, you seem forced to look for alternative rationales to explain the conflict you perceive throughout current events — and in the course of these attempts to explain what is undeniably true and ordinary, you come up with some pretty extraordinary explanations for some simple facts that are otherwise quite easily grasped.

[IanEye]

That's completely different - do you see all the "I thinks" in those paragraphs? Crow didn't say that she "thinks" this guy has an anger problem, she said he undoubtedly does.

Not to mention that I wasn't playing devil's advocate when I posted those thoughts. I was advocating for my position quite blatantly.

by the way, ironically when the ad for it came on tv last night, there was a split second flash of the word "UNTHINKABLE" before the ad, then at the end of the ad it said "UNTHINK"

total creepiness.

[Canadian_watcher]

it's so wonderful to be attacked in code.

You guys win - you've routed me out. I'm not like you.

won't be back on the thread, because it's too disruptive, you're making damn sure of that.

I hope the moderators can see what's happening.

[Simulist]

won't be back on the thread, because it's too disruptive, you're making damn sure of that.

I hope the moderators can see what's happening.

I hope so, too.

When faced with facts inconsistent with your worldview, facts you're doggedly determined to ignore, you erupt into a fit of name-calling, prior to storming out of the room.

[IanEye]

This guy undoubtedly had an anger problem. ...

Disclaimer: I'm devil's advocating. I completely distrust the FBI in this circumstance and probably all circumstances, but I'd prefer not to think it through that far.

When I play devil's advocate, I don't make statements like that one. Do you know this guy?


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I think it was photoshopped, myself. I don't think he was either a helper or a crisis actor. I think all those people got fucked over, and that they all have skeletons in their closets which are preventing them from coming forward. Big skeletons, with teeth. Either that or they are just greedy mother fuckers who are keeping quiet for the money.

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These pictures are faked. I honestly think that there was a staging somewhere that had "key" victims in it, and then there was the explosion at the actual marathon. There is a combo plate here - the real event and the staged one. IMHO some of the victims were not even AT the bombing, therefore they weren't victims (at that place, anyway)

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That's completely different - do you see all the "I thinks" in those paragraphs? Crow didn't say that she "thinks" this guy has an anger problem, she said he undoubtedly does.

Not to mention that I wasn't playing devil's advocate when I posted those thoughts. I was advocating for my position quite blatantly.

[Iamwhomiam]

what's with all the hostility?

Human beings don't have to eat each other, bro. I'm not sure where you're from, but it's never been a phenomenon where I've lived.

Umm... ok.

Bus beheading similar to Windigo phenomenon

Aug 12
By ANDREW HANON -- Sun Media

Nathan Carlson has barely slept since July 30.

"Ever since it happened, I haven't been able to get it out of my head," Carlson says haltingly. "I just don't know what to think of it, quite frankly."

The Edmonton ethno-historian is one of the world's leading experts on Windigo phenomenon, and the recent horrific beheading and alleged cannibalism on a Greyhound bus bound for Winnipeg from Edmonton rocked him to his very core.

As the grisly details of Tim McLean's last moments on Earth came to light in the following days, Carlson sank deeper and deeper into a fog of horror and revulsion.

Vince Weiguang Li is accused of abruptly attacking McLean, who by all accounts he didn't even know -- while McLean slept on the bus.

Up until a few days before the killing, Li held a part- time job delivering newspapers in Edmonton. He was well thought-of by his boss and considered a nice guy, if a bit quiet and shy.

On July 20 -- just 10 days before the killing -- Li delivered copies of the Sun that contained an extensive interview with Carlson about his research into the Windigo, a terrifying creature in native mythology that has a ravenous appetite for human flesh. It could take possession of people and turn them into cannibalistic monsters.

The two-page feature talked about how, in the late 1800s and into the 20th century, Windigo "encounters" haunted communities across northern Alberta and resulted in dozens of gruesome deaths.

In one case, a Cree trapper named Swift Runner was hanged after admitting to killing and eating his wife, children, brother and mother in the woods northeast of Edmonton in the winter of 1878-79.

Prior to being charged with murder, he had suffered screaming fits and nightmares, which he attributed to being possessed by a Windigo.

In several other cases, people banded together and killed individuals they feared were possessed by a Windigo. Often, they would decapitate the corpse and bury the head separate from the body in order to keep it from rising from the dead.

Carlson documented several cases in northern Alberta communities where people believing they were "turning Windigo" would go into convulsions, make terrifying animal sounds and beg their captors to kill them before they started eating people.

In last month's bus case, Li allegedly butchered McLean's body, brandishing the victim's severed head at the men who trapped him on the bus until police could arrive.

He was later accused of eating McLean's flesh.

When he appeared in a Portage La Prairie courthouse on charges of second-degree murder, the only words Li reportedly uttered were pleas for someone to kill him.

A lot of his reported behaviour eerily mirrors the Windigo cases recounted in the newspaper feature that Li helped deliver to Edmonton homes just days before McLean was killed, one of the most gruesome slayings in modern Canadian history.

Several media reports called McLean's killing unprecedented - an unspeakable, random attack the likes of which has never been seen in Canada.

But Carlson knows better.

"There are just too many parallels," he says.

"I can't say there's definite connection, but there are just too many coincidences.

"It's beyond eerie."

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Features/20 ... 13481.html

Greyhound Cannibal Interviewer: Vince Li Thought He Was Attacking Alien in Beheading of Tim McLean[

(AP) WINNIPEG, Manitoba - A Chinese immigrant who beheaded and cannibalized a fellow passenger on a Greyhound bus in western Canada four years ago thought he was attacking an alien, according to a mental health advocate who interviewed him.

In 2009, Vince Li was found not criminally responsible due to mental illness for the death of Tim McLean, a 22-year-old carnival worker who was sitting next to him on a bus traveling near Portage la Prairie, Manitoba. McLean had his eyes closed and was listening to music on his headphones when Li suddenly stood up and started stabbing him. As the bus stopped and horrified passengers fled, Li carved up McLean's body, ate portions of it, and displayed the victim's head to some passengers outside the bus.

After the judge's ruling, Li was placed in a locked wing of the Selkirk Mental Health Centre. Initially, he was not allowed outside, but over the years he has gained more freedom. Last week, a Criminal Code review board decided that Li can start having escorted trips off the hospital grounds and into the nearby city of Selkirk.

The ruling sparked renewed outrage from some members of the public, prompting Chris Summerville, head of the Manitoba Schizophrenia Society, to conduct a 45-minute interview with Li last weekend with the hope of shedding light on his progress. Summerville has met with Li roughly every two months over the last four years.

"(Li feels) remorse, a degree of humility — I know a lot of people won't believe that — regret and a sense of torment," Summerville said Tuesday. "He understands now that schizophrenia is a mental illness which plays tricks on the brain. He knows that the medication works to keep the voices away."

Summerville released an edited transcript of the interview to the media Tuesday, in which he and Li discuss the night of July 30, 2008, when Li sat on a bus next to McLean that was traveling on a desolate stretch of the TransCanada Highway bound for Winnipeg. Thirty-seven passengers were aboard the bus.

"He was on the lookout for aliens as such, and the voice of God told him that Tim McLean was an alien and he needed to destroy him lest Tim destroy other people," Summerville said.

According to Summerville's transcript, Li recognizes that people fear him.

"I understand people are scared because of my behavior on the Greyhound bus. I am not at risk for anybody. I don't believe in aliens. I don't hear voices," Summerville quoted Li as saying. "I take my medication ... everyday. I am glad to take it. I don't have any weird voices any more."

Li also told Summerville he would like to be forgiven.

"I would do anything for (McLean's) family. I would ask forgiveness, but I know it would be hard to accept," Summerville quoted Li as saying.

That forgiveness may be a tall order.

"I think for the advancement of my own being ... my own soul, I will have to come to a place of accepting," Carol DeDelley, McLean's mother, said Tuesday.

"But what would be unforgivable for me would be ... to not do anything to try to prevent this from happening again by the same perpetrator. I don't think Vince Li can be trusted to take his medication."

DeDelley wants Li kept in a mental hospital permanently, but expects that he will gain more freedom every year until he is eventually released.

"If he's not responsible for his own behavior, then the state, the government, must step in and be responsible for him for the rest of (his) natural life."

Li emigrated to Canada from China in 2001 and became a Canadian citizen four years later.

[Simulist]

Damn. That is frightening on so many levels. And for so many reasons.

Biology implies predation. This fact is messy-enough. But sometimes the biological imperative gets carried away with itself, and sometimes predation becomes rapaciously malignant.

For numerous reasons, many human collectives remain resolutely in denial about our human nature as predators — this includes both our ordinary predatory imperatives and the instances when both individuals and groups become insanely voracious predators.

One consequence of this is that most of us are completely unprepared to understand — and wholly unable to deal with — concrete instances of the real insanity that will always arise as one by-product of living in meat-space: from murders to random beheadings to perpetuating a ravenously insatiable civilization, which is presently consuming itself into oblivion.

We know not what we do. We remain in denial about why we do it. And this has become an extraordinarily lethal combination.

[Bruce Dazzling]

If you haven't figured even that out yet, it's no wonder you come up with all the crackpot stuff you promote here so readily.

and if you haven't figured out that there's plenty of this world that is not hostile it's no wonder you come off as such an angry, classless, big mouth asshole on a continuous basis.

C_w and Sim,

Cease and desist with the attacks, and keep the discussion on topic.

Thanks,

Mgt.

[Bruce Dazzling]

If you haven't figured even that out yet, it's no wonder you come up with all the crackpot stuff you promote here so readily.

and if you haven't figured out that there's plenty of this world that is not hostile it's no wonder you come off as such an angry, classless, big mouth asshole on a continuous basis.

C_w and Sim,

Cease and desist with the attacks, and keep the discussion on topic.

Thanks,

Mgt.

I sent the above message in a hurry, just as I was leaving work to hopefully catch my bus, so I really didn't think it through nearly as much as I should have.

Apologies.

I DID think about it a lot on my 2.5 hour commute home, though, and I began to reconsider the situation.

C_w's quote above is a suspendible offense, plain and simple, and I'm giving her one week on the sidelines.

As I said above, though, please keep the discussion topic-based, and if you think someone is wrong, then explain why you think so in a civil manner. In other words, don't just label their views as "crackpot."

Carry on.

[Joe Hillshoist]

If you haven't figured even that out yet, it's no wonder you come up with all the crackpot stuff you promote here so readily.

and if you haven't figured out that there's plenty of this world that is not hostile it's no wonder you come off as such an angry, classless, big mouth asshole on a continuous basis.

C_w and Sim,

Cease and desist with the attacks, and keep the discussion on topic.

Thanks,

Mgt.

I sent the above message in a hurry, just as I was leaving work to hopefully catch my bus, so I really didn't think it through nearly as much as I should have.

Apologies.

I DID think about it a lot on my 2.5 hour commute home, though, and I began to reconsider the situation.

C_w's quote above is a suspendible offense, plain and simple, and I'm giving her one week on the sidelines.

As I said above, though, please keep the discussion topic-based, and if you think someone is wrong, then explain why you think so in a civil manner. In other words, don't just label their views as "crackpot."

Carry on.

Dude thats a clear double standard.

C_W was hassled continually for challenging an essentially meaningless statement. (That the world is hardwired for conflict.)

The person who made that statement responded by saying she promotes crackpot stuff which is verging on calling them a disinfo agent.

While there are no rules against calling someone an asshole there are against calling them a disinfo agent.

There's a disturbing trend on this board that moderation power is used against marginalised posters and I'm registering my objection to this right here and right now in public where everyone can see it.

from here:

viewtopic.php?f=36&t=8705#p83750

This is an anti-sexist board. We correctly assume that women, as a group, have been and continue to be the object of oppression based upon their gender. It is expected that members will respect the rights of women to justice and equality in all spheres of life, and to a positive experience of RI. Contending that feminism is a "New World Order plot" will not be permitted.

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The charge or insinuation of "disinfo agent" can almost never be proven, and poisons and often ends meaningful discussion. Therefore suggesting a poster is purposefully spreading disinformation is not permitted.

Please refrain from personal attacks, and keep arguments issue-based.

Firstly I find it disturbing that C_W seems to be attacked out of proportion to the content of her posts. (Many of which on this thread I totally disagree with.) She's not the only female on this board that cops this, and sometimes her views certainly seem ... at odds with mine if nothing else, but I don't think that is a fair justification. Its too much like saying someone was "asking for it".

Secondly she responded to a personal attack by defending herself (however clumsily it may have seemed) and got banned for it.

That seems at odds with this boards stated position of being anti fascist.

Also:

C_w's quote above is a suspendible offense, plain and simple, and I'm giving her one week on the sidelines.

Where is the list of what is a suspendable offense and what isn't.

it seems quite arbitrary to me at the moment.