Glenn Greenwald's Sock Puppetry

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Glenn Greenwald's Sock Puppetry

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:45 pm

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/187585.php

Instapundit has linked my main page on the Greenwald sock-puppet/lying story, but most of the Greenwald stuff isn't here. Here are the key links in this story:

Shawn started the ball rolling by noting that many of Glenn Greenwald's on-line defenders seemed to use very similar language, causing suspicion that these fake internet posters, or "sock-puppets," were actually Glenn Greenwald himself.

A poster calling himself "Ellison," defending Greenwald on this site, is found, conclusively, to have the same IP as Glenn Greenwald himself, posting on Patterico's site. (Note: This article is written humorously, and is very long, because half of it is jokes. A briefer digest is available at Patterico's, if you just want to get to the point. Read Patterico for the digest, read me for the jokes.)

Then more sock-puppets -- "Thomas Ellers," "Ryan," and "Wilson" -- were discovered on other websites, all somehow using Greenwald's IP address (i.e., the specific internet address identifying your computer on the internet network).

Greenwald denies with a vague insinuation his "Magic Boyfriend" is obsessively trolling rightwing sites defending him under assumed names.

Another sock-puppet discovered, again obsessively defending Glenn Greenwald, this time under the name "Rick Ellensburg." Worse yet, "Rick Ellensburg" is shown to use many of the same tics in writing style as Glenn Greenwald. (And of course he shares Greenwald's IP as well.)

Even worse-- the final nail in the coffin. While the previous post demonstrated "Rick Ellensburg" regurgitating Glenn Greenwald's arguments, in his writing style, a closer examination shows he also PREgurgitates Glenn Greenwald's arguments, writing comments very similar to Glenn Greenwald posts the day before Glenn Greenwald actually writes them on his blog.

Additional similarities in the writing style of Glenn Greenwald and his sock-puppets discovered, further undermining the already-preposterous claim that it is his "Magic Boyfriend" writing these posts.


Glenn is going to come under a lot of attacks this year. This one is interesting, though.

I don't get the "Magic Boyfriend" reference but it's probably just sneering homophobia, eh?
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Re: Glenn Greenwald's Sock Puppetry

Postby DrEvil » Mon Jun 24, 2013 5:13 pm

Something like this would probably be easy to pull off if you happened to be, oh I don't know.. the NSA.
Or he could just have a big ego, which wouldn't surprise me very much. He wouldn't be the first.

But the timing sure is good. And how do they know his IP?
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Re: Glenn Greenwald's Sock Puppetry

Postby Six Hits of Sunshine » Mon Jun 24, 2013 5:16 pm

DrEvil » Mon Jun 24, 2013 5:13 pm wrote:Something like this would probably be easy to pull off if you happened to be, oh I don't know.. the NSA.
Or he could just have a big ego, which wouldn't surprise me very much. He wouldn't be the first.

But the timing sure is good. And how do they know his IP?


Sam Harris brought this up a while back during their twitter feud. He certainly didn't deny it, and if I remember correctly, he has copped to it sometime in the past.
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Re: Glenn Greenwald's Sock Puppetry

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Jun 24, 2013 6:57 pm

Andrew Ross Sorkin: ‘I’d Almost Arrest Glenn Greenwald’ (VIDEO)
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TOM KLUDT 3:33 PM EDT, MONDAY JUNE 24, 2013
A prominent business journalist suggested Monday that The Guardian's Glenn Greenwald should be arrested for reporting on leaks detailing top secret surveillance programs run by the National Security Agency.

Andrew Ross Sorkin, a financial columnist for the New York Times and a commentator for CNBC, said on-air that he'd "almost arrest" Greenwald along with NSA leaker Edward Snowden, who fled Hong Kong for Russia on Sunday in the hopes of ultimately receiving asylum in Ecuador.

"I would arrest [Snowden] and now I'd almost arrest Glenn Greenwald, the journalist who seems to be out there, he wants to help him get to Ecuador or whatever," Sorkin said.

After Twitter users flagged Sorkin's comments to Greenwald, a heated exchange between the two ensued:

Rob Douglas @RobDouglas3
.@andrewrsorkin says he wants @ggreenwald arrested for aiding #Snowden. Of course, Sorkin has no idea what he's talking about.
Glenn Greenwald ✔ @ggreenwald

@RobDouglas3 @andrewrsorkin Where did he say that?
5:42 AM - 24 Jun 2013


Andrew Ross Sorkin ✔ @andrewrsorkin
@ggreenwald @RobDouglas3 my question was whether you knew about his escape plan?
Glenn Greenwald ✔ @ggreenwald

@andrewrsorkin @RobDouglas3 Did you advocate my arrest?
5:56 AM - 24 Jun 2013

Andrew Ross Sorkin ✔ @andrewrsorkin
@ggreenwald @RobDouglas3 we're talking about it live now...
Glenn Greenwald ✔ @ggreenwald

.@andrewrsorkin Maybe worth discussing the dark irony that someone who works for the NYT (you) is suggesting that journalists be arrested
Greenwald followed up with two more pointed shots at Sorkin:
Glenn Greenwald ✔ @ggreenwald

Glenn Greenwald ✔ @ggreenwald

Strange: 1) being accused by Wall St cheerleader @andrewrsorkin of "advocacy journalism"; 2) NYT reporter suggesting arrest of journalists

It's awful how Snowden is traveling through countries with no freedom! Now: back to our debate: should US journalists be arrested? #Sorkin

It was the second time in as many days that Greenwald pushed back against a journalist over such a suggestion, having ripped "Meet The Press" host David Gregory on Sunday.
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Re: Glenn Greenwald's Sock Puppetry

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:02 pm

Glenn Greenwald Tells Comcast and DOJ Lackey David Gregory to Shove It

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Glenn Greenwald
If you haven't heard about the shellacking Glenn Greenwald gave David Gregory on "Meet the Press" on Sunday, June 23, here's a little background.

Gregory represents the pablum punditry with a status quo bias. His weekly panel of DC insiders passes for serious discussion of public policy without ever piercing the veil of what's behind the curtain in the capital. The program is on a station formerly owned by General Electric and is now the property of Comcast.

So on Sunday, June 23, Gregory was discussing the Edward Snowden NSA leaks and popped this starling question to Greenwald (who was a split-screen guest via satellite transmission on the program): "To the extent that you have aided and abetted Snowden, even in his current movements, why shouldn't you, Mr. Greenwald, be charged with a crime?"

Greenwald, who has remained a stalwart oasis of constitutional principle during a period of two different presidents defiling the founding document with a vengeance, is a Guardian UK columnist who used to write a daily column for Salon.

That he is an advocate of the Constitution there is no doubt. That he is a journalist having written for years now for widely known journalistic publications cannot be contested.

So this is what Greenwald had to say in response to Gregory's impertinent, smug "this one can only get me more prominent guests from the White House" question. Greenwald responded that it is "pretty extraordinary that anybody who would call themselves a journalist would publicly muse about whether or not other journalists should be charged with felonies."

Later, Greenwald tweeted (in response to Gregory's defense of his question): "Who needs the government to try to criminalize journalism when you have David Gregory to do it?"

In fact the Washington Post reinforced the same line of questioning Greenwald's journalistic credentials – and thus implying he might be subject to criminal prosecution – in an article that appeared inexplcably in the Post's "Style" section (say what?) on Sunday. It is entitled, "On NSA disclosures, has Glenn Greenwald become something other than a reporter?"

It includes a prolonged version of the David Gregory insinuation, with copy such as:

Glenn Greenwald isn’t your typical journalist. Actually, he’s not your typical anything. A lawyer, columnist, reporter and constitutional liberties advocate, Greenwald blurs a number of lines in an age in which anyone can report the news.

But has Greenwald — one of two reporters who broke the story of the National Security Agency’s classified Internet surveillance program — become something other than a journalist in the activist role he has taken in the wake of the NSA disclosures?

Uh, do we see a pattern here of trying to criminalize Greenwald's credentials as a journalist? Wouldn't this be consistent with the White House and Department of Justice investigations and intimidation of journalists who write articles or air stories that reveal information that embarrasses the administration?

Of course, every administration leaks like a sieve, but that's okay to tell reporters classified information if it puts an administration in a good light, or diminishes its detractors. In a few favored newspapers, and on a few friendly television news programs, administrations regardless of party regularly disclose information if it is in their interest. Naturally, no prosecutions ensue.

Recently, if you caught it as a blink of an eye in a news cycle, it was reported with somewhat of ironic humor that former CIA Chief Leon Panetta leaked classified information to the makers of "Zero Dark Thirty." It was all one big chuckle, right, the former head of the CIA "accidentally" disclosing classified information to the makers of a film that put the Obama administrations war on terror in a heroic light?

An accident, come on now.

Greenwald represents the integrity of journalists before the corporate-state became the arbitrator of what is legal and what is illegal journalism.

Greenwald, in the tradition of Seymour Hersh, Jane Meyer, and so many others, is doing what credible political and investigative journalists used to do, hold the government and other institutions accountable, reporting to achieve transparency.

Now, we have the journalistic lackies like David Gregory and the Washington Post implying – as an echo chamber for the Obama adminstration – that pursuing such professional responsibilities may be a crime.

Yes, it may be, but that would be in a totalitarian state, wouldn't it?

Democracies encourage and respect journalism as a vital check and balance on unaccountable power
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Re: Glenn Greenwald's Sock Puppetry

Postby justdrew » Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:09 pm

eh. ain't nothin wrong with it. Everyone has a right (and indeed a duty) to post anonymously.
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Re: Glenn Greenwald's Sock Puppetry

Postby Jerky » Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:26 pm

Although I would never do it, personally, it certainly doesn't rise to the level of being scandalous.

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Re: Glenn Greenwald's Sock Puppetry

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Jun 24, 2013 10:17 pm

DEMONIZING EDWARD SNOWDEN: WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON?
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As I write this, a bunch of reporters are flying from Moscow to Havana on an Aeroflot Airbus 330, but Edward Snowden isn’t sitting among them. His whereabouts are unknown. He might still be in the V.I.P. lounge at Sheremetyevo International Airport. He could have left on another plane. There are even suggestions that he has taken shelter in the Ecuadorian Embassy in Moscow.

What we do know is that, on this side of the Atlantic, efforts are being stepped up to demonize Snowden, and to delegitimize his claim to be a conscientious objector to the huge electronic-spying apparatus operated by the United States and the United Kingdom. “This is an individual who is not acting, in my opinion, with noble intent,” General Keith Alexander, the head of the National Security Agency, told ABC’s “This Week” on Sunday. “What Snowden has revealed has caused irreversible and significant damage to our country and to our allies.” Over on CBS’s “Face the Nation,” Senator Dianne Feinstein, head of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said, “I don’t think this man is a whistle-blower… he could have stayed and faced the music. I don’t think running is a noble thought.”

An unnamed senior Administration official joined the Snowden-bashing chorus, telling reporters, “Mr. Snowden’s claim that he is focussed on supporting transparency, freedom of the press, and protection of individual rights and democracy is belied by the protectors he has potentially chosen: China, Russia, Cuba, Venezuela, and Ecuador. His failure to criticize these regimes suggests that his true motive throughout has been to injure the national security of the U.S., not to advance Internet freedom and free speech.”

It is easy to understand, though not to approve of, why Administration officials, who have been embarrassed by Snowden’s revelations, would seek to question his motives and exaggerate the damage he has done to national security. Feinstein, too, has been placed in a tricky spot. Tasked with overseeing the spooks and their spying operations, she appears to have done little more than nod.

More unnerving is the way in which various members of the media have failed to challenge the official line. Nobody should be surprised to see the New York Post running the headline: “ROGUES’ GALLERY: SNOWDEN JOINS LONG LIST OF NOTORIOUS, GUTLESS TRAITORS FLEEING TO RUSSIA.” But where are Snowden’s defenders? As of Monday, the editorial pages of the Times and the Washington Post, the two most influential papers in the country, hadn’t even addressed the Obama Administration’s decision to charge Snowden with two counts of violating the Espionage Act and one count of theft.

If convicted on all three counts, the former N.S.A. contract-systems administrator could face thirty years in jail. On the Sunday-morning talk shows I watched, there weren’t many voices saying that would be an excessive punishment for someone who has performed an invaluable public service. And the person who did aggressively defend Snowden’s actions, Glenn Greenwald, the Guardian blogger who was one of the reporters to break the story, found himself under attack. After suggesting that Greenwald had “aided and abetted” Snowden, David Gregory, the host of NBC’s “Meet the Press,” asked, “Why shouldn’t you, Mr. Greenwald, be charged with a crime?”

After being criticized on Twitter, Gregory said that he wasn’t taking a position on Snowden’s actions—he was merely asking a question. I’m all for journalists asking awkward questions, too. But why aren’t more of them being directed at Hayden and Feinstein and Obama, who are clearly intent on attacking the messenger?

To get a different perspective on Snowden and his disclosures, here’s a portion of an interview that ABC—the Australian Broadcasting Company, not the Disney subsidiary—did today with Thomas Drake, another former N.S.A. employee, who, in 2010, was charged with espionage for revealing details about an electronic-eavesdropping project called Trailblazer, a precursor to Operation Prism, one of the programs that Snowden documented. (The felony cases against Drake, as my colleague Jane Mayer has written, eventually collapsed, and he pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor.)

INTERVIEWER: Not everybody thinks Edward Snowden did the right thing. I presume you do…
DRAKE: I consider Edward Snowden as a whistle-blower. I know some have called him a hero, some have called him a traitor. I focus on what he disclosed. I don’t focus on him as a person. He had a belief that what he was exposed to—U.S. actions in secret—were violating human rights and privacy on a very, very large scale, far beyond anything that had been admitted to date by the government. In the public interest, he made that available.

INTERVIEWER: What do you say to the argument, advanced by those with the opposite viewpoint to you, especially in the U.S. Congress and the White House, that Edward Snowden is a traitor who made a narcissistic decision that he personally had a right to decide what public information should be in the public domain?

DRAKE: That’s a government meme, a government cover—that’s a government story. The government is desperate to not deal with the actual exposures, the content of the disclosures. Because they do reveal a vast, systemic, institutionalized, industrial-scale Leviathan surveillance state that has clearly gone far beyond the original mandate to deal with terrorism—far beyond.

As far as I’m concerned, that about covers it. I wish Snowden had followed Drake’s example and remained on U.S. soil to fight the charges against him. But I can’t condemn him for seeking refuge in a country that doesn’t have an extradition treaty with the United States. If he’d stayed here, he would almost certainly be in custody, with every prospect of staying in a cell until 2043 or later. The Obama Administration doesn’t want him to come home and contribute to the national-security-versus-liberty debate that the President says is necessary. It wants to lock him up for a long time.

And for what? For telling would-be jihadis that we are monitoring their Gmail and Facebook accounts? For informing the Chinese that we eavesdrop on many of their important institutions, including their prestigious research universities? For confirming that the Brits eavesdrop on virtually anybody they feel like? Come on. Are there many people out there who didn’t already know these things?

Snowden took classified documents from his employer, which surely broke the law. But his real crime was confirming that the intelligence agencies, despite their strenuous public denials, have been accumulating vast amounts of personal data from the American public. The puzzle is why so many media commentators continue to toe the official line. About the best explanation I’ve seen came from Josh Marshall, the founder of T.P.M., who has been one of Snowden’s critics. In a post that followed the first wave of stories, Marshall wrote, “At the end of the day, for all its faults, the U.S. military is the armed force of a political community I identify with and a government I support. I’m not a bystander to it. I’m implicated in what it does and I feel I have a responsibility and a right to a say, albeit just a minuscule one, in what it does.”

I suspect that many Washington journalists, especially the types who go on Sunday talk shows, feel the way Marshall does, but perhaps don’t have his level of self-awareness. It’s not just a matter of defending the Obama Administration, although there’s probably a bit of that. It’s something deeper, which has to do with attitudes toward authority. Proud of their craft and good at what they do, successful journalists like to think of themselves as fiercely independent. But, at the same time, they are part of the media and political establishment that stands accused of ignoring, or failing to pick up on, an intelligence outrage that’s been going on for years. It’s not surprising that some of them share Marshall’s view of Snowden as “some young guy I’ve never heard of before who espouses a political philosophy I don’t agree with and is now seeking refuge abroad for breaking the law.”

Mea culpa. Having spent almost eighteen years at The New Yorker, I’m arguably just as much a part of the media establishment as David Gregory and his guests. In this case, though, I’m with Snowden—not only for the reasons that Drake enumerated but also because of an old-fashioned and maybe naïve inkling that journalists are meant to stick up for the underdog and irritate the powerful. On its side, the Obama Administration has the courts, the intelligence services, Congress, the diplomatic service, much of the media, and most of the American public. Snowden’s got Greenwald, a woman from Wikileaks, and a dodgy travel document from Ecuador. Which side are you on?
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Re: Glenn Greenwald's Sock Puppetry

Postby divideandconquer » Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:39 am

I've always suspected Greenwald of using sock-puppets. I don't think it's a big deal and I'm SURE he's not the only one who does this.
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Re: Glenn Greenwald's Sock Puppetry

Postby JackRiddler » Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:48 am

Andrew Ross Sorkin has always been a bankster-bootlicking motherfucker.
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Re: Glenn Greenwald's Sock Puppetry

Postby bks » Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:35 am

I like the Daniel Ellsberg theme to the sock puppets. Nice way to signal the tradition you're in. Ellsberg is Greenwald's first example used in the retort to Gregory as well.
Greenwald represents the integrity of journalists before the corporate-state became the arbitrator of what is legal and what is illegal journalism.

Greenwald, in the tradition of Seymour Hersh, Jane Meyer, and so many others, is doing what credible political and investigative journalists used to do, hold the government and other institutions accountable, reporting to achieve transparency.


Precisely. Though he's better than Jane Mayer and Hersh (at least the Hersh of the recent day).
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Re: Glenn Greenwald's Sock Puppetry

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:44 am

JackRiddler » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:48 am wrote:Andrew Ross Sorkin has always been a bankster-bootlicking motherfucker.


He was born into it.

Sorkin was born in New York, the son of Joan Ross Sorkin, a playwright, and Laurence T. Sorkin, a partner in a law firm.


Yeah, and Earl Warren was "a functionary in the judicial branch." Laurence T. Sorkin is senior counsel at one of Wall Street's single biggest law firms:

http://www.cahill.com/professionals/laurence-sorkin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cahill_Gordon_%26_Reindel

According to The American Lawyer, Cahill is consistently among the most profitable law firms in the world...

Cahill advises banking stalwarts Bank of America, Merrill Lynch, Barclays, Citigroup, Credit Suisse, Deutsche Bank, JPMorgan, UBS, and Wells Fargo as underwriters in debt and equity offerings, including IPOs, and as arrangers in leveraged loans. Bloomberg L.P. and Thomson Reuters consistently rank Cahill as the number one legal advisor to U.S. and Euromarket high yield bond underwriters in their legal league tables, and rank the firm among the most active law firms representing underwriters in other debt and equity categories. Reuters Loan Pricing Corp. ranks Cahill among the leading law firms representing bank lenders in the U.S. leveraged loan market.


So Andrew's vaunted "access" to men like Jamie Dimon has nothing to do with the NYT, and everything to do with the family he was born into ... which is why he was writing articles for the NYT before he even started college.
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Re: Glenn Greenwald's Sock Puppetry

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:45 am

justdrew » Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:09 pm wrote:eh. ain't nothin wrong with it. Everyone has a right (and indeed a duty) to post anonymously.


In support of themselves?

There's more productive hobbies out there -- there's also much worse ones, too, so whatever.

We don't allow that shit here for a reason.
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Re: Glenn Greenwald's Sock Puppetry

Postby Luther Blissett » Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:17 am

JackRiddler » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:48 am wrote:Andrew Ross Sorkin has always been a bankster-bootlicking motherfucker.


And Sam Harris is an Islamophobe.
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Re: Glenn Greenwald's Sock Puppetry

Postby JackRiddler » Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:30 am

Luther Blissett » Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:17 am wrote:
JackRiddler » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:48 am wrote:Andrew Ross Sorkin has always been a bankster-bootlicking motherfucker.


And Sam Harris is an Islamophobe.


He is also everything that is wrong and counterproductive in the "New Atheism" - the smug, pro-capitalist, West-worshipping nadir of a formerly liberatory philosophy.
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