David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

[Mason I Bilderberg]

And no government conspirators. I was hoping you might have cleared that up for us by now . . .

Irrelevant as it cannot answer the alien-human hybrid question.

. . . but of course you aren;t here to face yourself, or your pretty dire video are you?

Where have you been? I'm here asking for feedback on the contents of my video. When i was scolded for not being specific, i narrowed it down to a single question about the existence of alien-human hybrids.

[compared2what?]

Scientologists use thought stopping phrases like "suppressive." Many cults do this - they create their own world of phrases and acronyms. Not only does it help enhance group identity, it also keeps the people from thinking outside the box.

They do, but that's a different tactic than thought-stoppers. And it's directed towards a different emotionally manipulative goal (enhancing identification with the group/group identity.)

The phrase "suppressive person " or "SP" is part of a thought-stopping Sciento doctrine, but it's not, in itself, a thought-stopper. A thought-stopper would be more like....

It's actually not easy to think of a concise example. But it's basically a piece of received wisdom that's immaculate, implacable and untrumpable in a rock-paper-scissors sort of a way that's designed to inure the people who believe it against contradictory information/criticism -- ie, (THIS IS NOT A LITERAL EXAMPLE, BTW) if I say "Will you look at that, here's an oddly unscathing JREF review," to someone who's been inured against any information contradicting the premise that skeptics are categorically evil spewers of destructive falsehoods, that person will only hear me saying, "I am a skeptic and therefore an evil spewer of destructive falsehoods."

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The reason that's not a literal example is that although Canadian_watcher might (for all I know) hear it that way, if she does, it wouldn't be because she's thought-stopped, but rather because she either (a) literally understood it that way and that way only; or much likelier (b) chose to understand it that way for the purposes of debate and as an aid to defining her own views in the context of what she opposes.

And that's not the same thing, due to the element of choice. Which is obviously real, since she's perfectly capable of exercising it the other way. So the similarity is superficial.

Most ordinary people probably do have a few thought-stoppers cluttering up their thinking when it comes to areas of emotional vulnerability, imo. I think that's normal, within limits. When it's used that way, it's just a coping mechanism, basically.

[Canadian_watcher]

here's a good thought-stopper: anti-semite.

[slimmouse]

Okay. All done for now. I need to get on a conference call with The Masons, The Bilderbergers, The IMF, The Federal Reserve and a whole slew of lizard people.

Well youre making all the right noises, thats for sure.

[Wombaticus Rex]

I'm here asking for feedback on the contents of my video.

Your video was very poorly made, and the amateur execution rendered it uninteresting and ultimately unwatchable. Paying more attention to basic technical standards would help your presentation a great deal, and greater brevity would serve you well, too.

Surely you could distill this to a clean, tight 2 minute presentation that is simply fucking devastating, no?

Also, your meaningless posts about "leaving the conversation" are a waste of space. I have taken the liberty of deleting your latest. Nobody cares, it's an online forum, intermittent telepresence is the nature of the medium.

[compared2what?]

Scientologists use thought stopping phrases like "suppressive." Many cults do this - they create their own world of phrases and acronyms. Not only does it help enhance group identity, it also keeps the people from thinking outside the box.

Well thank heavens we've got the kind of place your affiliated with to keep that in order huh?

Sadly, no. That stuff's worth knowing.

[American Dream]

You only communicate to me that you are a self-righteous troll feeding your feelings of smug superiority as you try to rise in the clergy of the Church of Holy Scientism.

In Marshall Rosenberg's Nonviolent Communication system this would be a real abuse of the practice- roughly equivalent to saying "I feel that you're a fuking a-hole who talks smack because he can't get over his anger at his parents and so just acts like a dik!" Rather than, say," I feel sad because I don't think you're hearing me and that really hurts because I often felt unheard as a kid and I want to ask you to hang on and try harder to hear my well-intentioned words to you".

Ad hominems don't really help...


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[compared2what?]

here's a good thought-stopper: anti-semite.

Agree. One of the commonest, most obdurate, and most destructive. In the world and (too often) on this board.

And it's just unbeatable, because it works as one for 90 percent of the people on both sides of any debate in which it's likely to occur.

Awful, awful, awful. I hate it.

[compared2what?]

here's a good thought-stopper: anti-semite.

You understand that I was saying that you weren't thought-stopped, you just stuck to your guns, right?

I wouldn't want there to be any confusion about that.

[Canadian_watcher]

we agree!
(i like to celebrate these moments )

edit - yes. I do.

[American Dream]

Also, your meaningless posts about "leaving the conversation" are a waste of space. I have taken the liberty of deleting your latest. Nobody cares, it's an online forum, intermittent telepresence is the nature of the medium.

Well, maybe, but I think sometimes it is useful information in heated exchanges so that the person knows they don't have to rush to write a response and also that the person is not deliberately withholding a response from them.

What would you suggest as a consistent policy that we should uphold across the board?

[compared2what?]

we agree!
(i like to celebrate these moments )

edit - yes. I do.

Me too. Be it so resolved:

* You're INCREDIBLY STUBBORN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

* So am I, though.

* "Anti-Semite" is a longstanding multi-purpose thought-stopper.

Whoo-hoo.

[Wombaticus Rex]

What would you suggest as a consistent policy that we should uphold across the board?[/size]

I haven't noticed any of us doing that before. I assumed it was because we're all functional adults or something. Do we really need to be notified like that? Especially when it's some cutesy bullshit about meeting with the Illuminati.

I don't want to be doing anything to accomodate "heated exchanges" as a, you know, "moderator."

Maybe we could instead be working on minimizing heated exchages, LOL.

[Searcher08]

You only communicate to me that you are a self-righteous troll feeding your feelings of smug superiority as you try to rise in the clergy of the Church of Holy Scientism.

In Marshall Rosenberg's Nonviolent Communication system this would be a real abuse of the practice- roughly equivalent to saying "I feel that you're a fuking a-hole who talks smack because he can't get over his anger at his parents and so just acts like a dik!" Rather than, say," I feel sad because I don't think you're hearing me and that really hurts because I often felt unheard as a kid and I want to ask you to hang on and try harder to hear my well-intentioned words to you".

Ad hominems don't really help...


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I have to say you are right to call me on that.

I aspire to more NVC communication in my life and frankly I found communicating with someone who places a high value on mocking people for group status and fun (see his website About Me) very triggering of occasions of experiencing friends 'shut down' and rendered voiceless.

I should have walked away.

I dont worry about Icke - I think his influence is more about enthusiasm and saying 'get stuffed' to authority than people buying into his worldview.
The people I DO worry about more than any other section are the Scientism followers because they more and more in positions of power and that comes down to THEIR dogma vs MY individual choice... my intuition sees a decimation of variety in the system and I feel chilled when I do...

[American Dream]

I do have a question though: if no one here thinks human-alien hybrids are real then how can they take Icke's world as anything more than myth or fiction? And if we all agree that Icke's world is based fundamentally on myth and fiction then aren't we all getting on the same page?