Trayvon Martin

[seemslikeadream]

Lovely. Child killers investigating child killers. Oh the irony.

well there's that

[8bitagent]

George Zimmerman is a liar...a racist and a child killer....that racist part will be proven when Federal charges are filed and he's in FEDERAL COURT and in civil court where he will have to testify

Well I will say this, he doesn't seem to have a conscience. He literally said with a straight face it was all meant to be, he has no regrets, and would not have done anything differently.

Let's say he got a little carried away with being a paranoid wannabe cop and let into his anger at young "hoodlums", then pushed a rattlesnake too far who got the best of him and worried he might sustain brain injury or something if he didnt discharge his weapon...A NORMAL human being would be crying, saying they wish they had it all to do over again, how deeply regretful they are, how sorry they are, etc.

[seemslikeadream]

He actually said it was God's plan

[compared2what?]

Also as far as I understand it the only evidence that was supressed and hidden from everyone was evidence that didnt show Trayvon in a very good way,

Sorry, still catching up. What are you referring to? What evidence?

now I am all for NOT putting the victim in trial

And you're a criminal-defense attorney? That's allowed. Zealous advocacy rules.

[seemslikeadream]

didnt show Trayvon in a very good way,

yea like a 17 year old acting like a 17 year old....smoking pot....etc..

you know like stuff that makes him guilty and deserved to be killed


too bad they couldn't get in all the shit about Zimmerman

[compared2what?]

didnt show Trayvon in a very good way,

yea like a 17 year old acting like a 17 year old....smoking pot....etc..

you know like stuff that makes him guilty and deserved to be killed

Oh. The word "evidence" threw me off.

Apologies, Hunter. Of course it's not allowed.

too bad they couldn't get in all the shit about Zimmerman

That wasn't really evidence either. But I appreciate the thought.

[Freitag]

you don't know that there is no evidence to that fact...only two eye witnesses and one is dead...the other is a proven liar

There is evidence. GZ's story never changed, from the very first moments after the shooting. He willingly talked to the police, despite knowing that he didn't have to.

You understand that the word of the person who did it isn't really evidence you can take to the bank, right?

The consistency of his story and willingness to tell it to the police, counts for something in my opinion. As opposed to, say, Jodi Arias, who had to change her lies multiple times to fit the forensic evidence.

Try to bear in mind that you're assessing the word of someone who was so freaked out by the sight of an unarmed black teenager walking home from the store that he called 911 about it.

"Freaked out" is your characterization. His actions could also be viewed as simply doing his job on Neighborhood Watch, observing someone who fit the profile of recent crimes in the area. (Or maybe he's a racist asshole, I really don't know. Just saying there are different interpretations.)

The evidence presented at trial all supported his version of events.

No. There was quite a bit of evidence that didn't support his claims of having been brutally attacked. For example, he was barely injured; Martin didn't have any of his DNA under his nails; and his gun grip didn't have any of Martin's; and Martin had neither any reason to attack him nor any history of that kind of assault.

How much injury does someone have to inflict upon you, before you know they intend to harm you? Does GZ have to wait until he's beaten half-unconscious before he can defend himself? If TM was punching him with closed fists, there wouldn't necessarily be DNA under his fingernails. TM wouldn't necessarily have had a lot of contact with the gun, and it was raining, which could have washed off any DNA.

Zimmerman neighbor John Good, described by the AP as having "perhaps the best view of the struggle," said he heard noise while watching TV on the night Trayvon Martin was killed and stepped outside to investigate. He described seeing a MMA-style scene unfold. In his telling, the two men were "tussling" on the ground, with the person on top in a straddle position and throwing punches "ground and pound" style. He described the person on top as darkly-clad, with the one on the bottom in either red or white, and having lighter skin. Per the evidence, Trayvon was in a dark-colored sweatshirt and Zimmerman was dressed in red that night. When asked if he believed Trayvon was on top, Good replied, "Correct ... that's what it looked like."

That hardly proves he was attacked. They were fighting. Nobody disputes that.

Well, it supports his story of being attacked. (Yes I realize he could have started the fight and ended up on the bottom. But as it happens the witness didn't see Zimmerman being aggressive towards Martin, it was the other way around, consistent with Zimmerman's claims.)

Neighbor Jonathon Manalo, who was the first one to step outside and took cellphone photos that night that were shown to the jury today, described "blood running down [Zimmerman's] nose from both nostrils and over his lips." He said Zimmerman's demeanor was calm, and said Zimmerman asked him to call his wife. "Just tell her I shot someone," Manalo recounts Zimmerman as saying. He said Zimmerman told him at the time that the shooting was in self-defense. When asked if that "seemed completely true," Manalo replied, "yes."

Unless you think that whenever someone says something that seems to be completely true, it must be, that's really not proof either.

I didn't offer it as proof, just refuting SLAD's claim that there was no evidence.

A nationally renowned gunshot wound expert testified Tuesday that Trayvon Martin's gunshot wound was consistent with accused murderer George Zimmerman's story that the teen was on top of him and leaning over when he was shot.

Link

Again: They were fighting. That says nothing about who attacked whom. And anyway, his injuries were not severe enough to support his claim that he was being brutally assaulted. If you don't find that conclusive, fine. But it is evidence.

Well, again, I don't know how assaulted one must be before one can defend oneself. And he did have injuries. And I can also understand that, even having acted, in his own opinion, reasonably, he might exaggerate the severity of the assault. I mean, he just shot somebody, and shit gets real all of a sudden, he realizes he could be in trouble.

You're only posting stuff that fits your theory

I'll admit that's what I'm doing if you admit that's what you're doing.

Honestly though I don't have a theory, I'm just a contrarian.

[barracuda]

Also as far as I understand it the only evidence that was supressed and hidden from everyone was evidence that didnt show Trayvon in a very good way,

Sorry, still catching up. What are you referring to? What evidence?

I suspect he's referring to the various discovery violations the State Attorney's office apparently tried to pull off.

[seemslikeadream]

His actions could also be viewed as simply doing his job on Neighborhood Watch,

Neighborhood Watch Manual says he should not be carrying a weapon...he should not follow Trayvon

[seemslikeadream]

funny the guy at the store where Trayvon bought the Skittles didn't think he was a threat..

[seemslikeadream]

don't forget about all the lies the child killer Zimmerman told....can't believe anything a liar says

[seemslikeadream]

How much injury does someone have to inflict upon you, before you know they intend to harm you?

Zimmerman the child killer should not have followed Trayvon....Zimmerman the child killer according to the Neighborhood watch Manual should not have been following Trayvon....the police told him NOT to follow him......what would you do if someone was following you in the dark? If Trayvon did hit him he had every right to...you know STAND YOUR GROUND???

[Freitag]

the police told him NOT to follow him

At which point he stopped.

[seemslikeadream]

NO HE DID NOT...YOU ARE WRONG

Zimmerman the child killer followed him caught up with him and shot him

[Rory]

the police told him NOT to follow him

At which point he stopped.

At which point he says he stopped.

Strangely, he still became involved in a fatal altercation with the person he was most definitely not following.