Searcher08 » Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:53 pm wrote:Project Willow » Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:28 pm wrote:barracuda » 21 Jul 2013 09:44 wrote:Allow me to preemptively delegitimize the whole idea of polling this decision:
- Whoever has the most sock accounts will prevail in an anonymous voting scenario. Dust off your old nicknames, put on some lipstick and let's roll.
- The poll essentially asks individual members to decide to ban or not ban a fellow member. Most people will never do that, ergo, the result is a foregone conclusion.
- We already have an excellent system for dealing with these situations - a panel of highly respected, longtime forum members, hand-picked by the site admin, make decisions with him based upon the infraction at hand, the past history of the poster, personal appeals by pm and forum postings, and previous moderator threads dealing with the poster and other posters in similar situations.
That and, I personally would not like to be the subject of a popularity poll on a forum from which I'd just been banned. Insult to injury, regardless of the outcome.
I suggest that anyone who has serious concerns about the decision, and who hasn't made their feelings known here already, appeal privately to the mods to reconsider.
Thanks, barracuda for some interesting ideas there.
Im sure that justdrew would be able to *easily* detect sockpuppetry around this poll, so doubt there is a need for concern around it.
I'm not sure how the poll has migrated to a characterisation as a group decision to ban or unban like some sort of gladiatorial arena thumbs up or thumbs down (which I agree with Willow is horrendous) - I asked WR if the Mods could look at the decision and move it from a permaban to something less drastic. WR suggested I do a poll, I put forward some options, which have now been pruned down to two basic ones.
The locus of that decision has been (at least in my mind) about providing information for Jeff and The Mods to re-consider - that is respectful and characterising it as a sockpuppity beauty contest seems a bit... unpleasent really.
It is understood that your intentions were/are just to make a poll to provide Jeff with some information wrt to the communities feelings about the ban, but it is just a matter of semantics, no matter how you look at it or how respectful your intentions are, it IS a popularity contest and that is all it will ever be.
IF I were banned I wouldnt have a problem with seeing the results of such just to know where I stood with my peers, those I interacted with day in and day out and whether they really thought I deserved to be banished or not, even if the results were not honored by the admin I still wouldnt mind seeing them just for my own curiosity. Being voted down or unpopular on an internet forum wouldnt hurt my feelings any and in some cases it may even make me feel better, depending on the circumstances of course.
I am pretty sure being unpopular doesnt bother CW either, her own signature is a quote that says something to the effect that true genuis can be known when all the dunces are lined up against it.