How Bad Is Global Warming?

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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Belligerent Savant » Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:54 pm

Iamwhomiam » Wed May 15, 2013 4:53 pm wrote:
And THIS Tiny Sphere is All the World's Water *That We Can Use*
By Veronique Greenwood | May 18, 2012 2:46 pm

A few days ago, we wrote about a remarkable graphic released by the USGS, showing all the water on Earth—freshwater, saltwater, water vapor, water in plants and animals; all of it—rolled into a sphere.

That sphere was only 860 miles in diameter, fitting comfortably between Salt Lake City and Topeka, Kansas, on a map. It was striking, especially considering that the water available for humans use in our daily lives is only a very small fraction of that; the vast majority of the Earth’s water is saltwater, and most of the freshwater is tied up in glaciers.

How big would a sphere of just the freshwater available to humans be? Reader Jay Kimball of 8020Vision, his interest piqued, went ahead and made such a graphic:

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That sphere—the sphere representing the freshwater available to humans—has a diameter of just 170 miles. Head to his blog to see the math.


Desalination methods are improving.

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2012/grap ... -0702.html

The availability of fresh water is dwindling in many parts of the world, a problem that is expected to grow with populations. One promising source of potable water is the world’s virtually limitless supply of seawater, but so far desalination technology has been too expensive for widespread use.

Now, MIT researchers have come up with a new approach using a different kind of filtration material: sheets of graphene, a one-atom-thick form of the element carbon, which they say can be far more efficient and possibly less expensive than existing desalination systems.

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“There are not that many people working on desalination from a materials point of view,” says Jeffrey Grossman, the Carl Richard Soderberg Associate Professor of Power Engineering in MIT’s Department of Materials Science and Engineering, who is the senior author of a paper describing the new process in the journal Nano Letters.

Grossman and graduate student David Cohen-Tanugi, who is the lead author of the paper, aimed to “control the properties of the material down to the atomic level,” producing a graphene sheet perforated with precisely sized holes. They also added other elements to the material, causing the edges of these minuscule openings to interact chemically with water molecules — either repelling or attracting them.

“We were very pleasantly surprised” by how well graphene performed compared to existing systems in computer simulations, Grossman says.

One common method of desalination, called reverse osmosis, uses membranes to filter the salt from the water. But these systems require extremely high pressure — and hence, energy use — to force water through the thick membranes, which are about a thousand times thicker than graphene. The new graphene system operates at much lower pressure, and thus could purify water at far lower cost, the researchers say.

While reverse osmosis has been used for decades, “really basic mechanisms of separating salt from water are not well understood, and they are very complex,” Cohen-Tanugi says, adding that it’s very difficult to do experiments at the scale of individual molecules and ions. But the new graphene-based system, he says, works “hundreds of times faster than current techniques, with the same pressure” — or, alternatively, the system could run at similar rates to present systems, but with lower pressure.

The key to the new process is very precise control over the size of the holes in the graphene sheet. “There’s a sweet spot, but it’s very small,” Grossman says — between pores so large that salt could pass through and ones so small that water molecules would be blocked. The ideal size is just about one nanometer, or one billionth of a meter, he says. If the holes are just a bit smaller — 0.7 nanometers — the water won’t flow through at all.Other research groups have worked to create pores in graphene, Cohen-Tanugi says, but at very different sizes and for very different purposes — for example, making much bigger holes to filter large molecules such as DNA, or to separate different kinds of gases. The methods used for those processes were not precise enough to make the tiny holes needed for desalination, he says, but more advanced techniques — such as helium-ion bombardment to make precise holes in graphene, chemical etching and self-assembling systems — might be suitable.

For now, Grossman and Cohen-Tanugi have been doing computer simulations of the process to determine its optimal characteristics. “We will begin working on prototypes this summer,” Grossman says.

Because graphene is the subject of research into many different applications, there has been a great deal of work on finding ways of making it inexpensively and in large quantities. And for desalination, because graphene is such a strong material — pound for pound, it’s the strongest material known — the membranes should be more durable than those presently used for reverse osmosis, Grossman says.

In addition, the material needed for desalination does not need to be nearly as pure as for electronic or optical uses, he says: “A few defects don’t matter, as long as they don’t open it up” so that salt could pass through.

Joshua Schrier, an assistant professor of chemistry at Haverford College, says, “Previous simulations had studied the flow of water through very small holes in graphene, and the design of pores that selectively allow ion passage, but — despite the social and engineering relevance to desalination — nobody had thought to examine the intersection of these two fields.” The work by the MIT team could open a whole new approach to desalination, he says.

Schrier adds, “Manufacturing the very precise pore structures that are found in this paper will be difficult to do on a large scale with existing methods.” However, he says, “the predictions are exciting enough that they should motivate chemical engineers to perform more detailed economic analyses of … water desalination with these types of materials.”

The work was funded by the MIT Energy Initiative and a John S. Hennessy Fellowship, and used computer resources from the National Energy Research Scientific Computing Center.


Some other [potentially] promising technologies:

OriginOil
OriginOil has developed a breakthrough process for removing up to 99% of contaminants from the very large quantities of water used by the oil & gas, algae and other water-intensive industries.

http://www.originoil.com/


AlgEternal

AlgEternal’s patent pending, closed loop, Vertical Growth Module (VGM™), has undergone seven years of rigorous research and development improvements. The current system incorporates critical features including CO2 delivery protocol, maximizing the rates of CO2 capture, as well as an aggressive algal growth rate during all seasons of the year with temperature ranges from below freezing to over 100° F.

(Founder Morris chose OriginOil’s harvester to complement these capabilities in his end-to-end algae production system designs.)

http://www.algeternal.com/about-algeternal/
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:29 pm

Thanks for the addition, BS. Simple desalinization can occur via evaporation of the salt water in a closed container. Basically a balloon. Fresh water clings to the upper hemispheric surface leaving only a higher concentration of salt in the reservoir, which is isolated toward the center of its flat bottom and the fresh water runs down the sides into a separate fresh water only reservoir circling the salt water. These devices are available to boaters or anyone who knows where to locate one. But they cannot remove most chemical contaminates.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby fruhmenschen » Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:25 pm

Pulitzer Prize winner Ross Gelbspan covered our 1st Annual Conference
Investigating crimes committed by FBI agents held at Boston University
in 1988 while working at the Boston Globe. . The Boston Globe moved him over to
a new area called Climate Change after he wrote a book called BREAK INS DEATH THREATS AND THE FBI
detailing FBI Death Squad activities. Ross went on to write
two books about Global Warming called THE HEAT IS ON and BOILING POINT
His website ranks as one of the best about climate change see http://www.heatisonline.org
Also see http://americanswhotellthetruth.org/por ... s-gelbspan

I started a thread about climate change here
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Iamwhomiam » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:04 pm

Thanks for the info, frumenschen.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby fruhmenschen » Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:08 pm

Lance Tapley is a friend who cross country skied across the state of Vermont and wrote
a book about it. He started the campaign to stop development at Mount Bigelow during the 1970's
and was successful. A former book publisher he now is a investigative reporter.
He emailed his new story to me today. see link for full story
http://portland.thephoenix.com/news/154 ... e-respond/


The price of extreme energy: How shall we respond?
Fearless Summer
By LANCE TAPLEY | July 18, 2013


To feed civilization’s insatiable need for energy, oil and natural gas are being extracted from the earth and transported around it in new ways and in a new frenzy.

Environmentalists are beginning to call this phenomenon “extreme energy.” They see an extreme price being paid in vast pollution, including the dramatic warming of the planet.

So they ask: How shall we respond to extreme energy? How shall we, you, and I take responsibility for what is happening? At its root, the word responsibility means “to respond.” That means action.

And environmentalists believe there’s a lot to act on. Maine people recently got a close-up, nightmarish view of one price of extreme energy. In the early morning of June 6, explosions and a firestorm killed 50 people and destroyed much of the picturesque downtown of Lac-Mégantic, Quebec, a quiet community only 20 miles from the Maine border.

The cause was the derailment of a Montreal, Maine & Atlantic train composed of tank cars of crude oil about to cross Maine from west to east to the Irving Oil refinery in St. John, New Brunswick. (See “Death and Life in Lac-Mégantic.”)

The oil it carried had been “fracked” from North Dakota shale deposits. This process uses high-pressure water, sand, and chemicals to fracture rock deep below ground to release its oil. Fracking depletes and pollutes ground water and contaminates the air, including making a sizable contribution to global warming.

In a recent development, millions of gallons a year of this oil are being hauled on two railroads in Maine. Lac-Mégantic is the last Quebec town on the west-east Montreal, Maine & Atlantic line before it enters Maine. The south-central line, operated by Pan Am Railways, takes the oil to the Irving refinery through our most populated area.

There is speculation that, in reaction to the shutdown of the west-east track because of the Lac-Mégantic disaster, Irving may try to boost shipments on the Pan Am tracks. Meanwhile, Pan Am has come under state scrutiny because for several months it hasn’t reported how much oil it is hauling. (See sidebar, “Pan Am Railways Also in the Spotlight.”)

Oil trains are not the only extreme-energy threat to Maine. The Portland Pipeline Corporation is considering reversing the flow of the Portland-to-Montreal pipeline to allow oil originating in Alberta’s tar sands to supply ships in Portland Harbor. (See “Pre-emptive Petitioning,” by Deirdre Fulton, June 14.)

Environmentalists consider tar-sands oil — toxic crude with lots bitumen, a/k/a asphalt — to be a menace both in its extraction — from ore dug in open-pit mines — and in its transport. The proposed Keystone XL pipeline to take the oil from Canada deep into the US is a major environmental controversy.

To block the flow of extreme energy, activists this summer — internationally — are turning to nonviolent civil disobedience and other forms of direct action in a campaign called Fearless Summer.

On June 27, members of the climate-change-activist group 350 Maine and the venerable environmental radicals of Earth First! kicked off the state’s Fearless Summer by briefly blocking a Pan Am oil train in Fairfield. (See sidebar, “The First Fearless Summer Skirmish.”)

Maine activists are also responding to extreme energy with educational activities and environmentalist community-building (see box, “Activism Without Getting Arrested”).
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby justdrew » Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:13 pm

justdrew » 15 Dec 2012 21:28 wrote:http://earthsky.org/earth/uk-met-office-responds-global-warming-did-not-stop-16-years-ago

http://metofficenews.wordpress.com/2012/10/14/met-office-in-the-media-14-october-2012

and let me just say again, now that I've looked into this even more, none of that temp anomalies data contains ANY data about ocean/ice temps, which I'll continue to insist must be absorbing a lot of energy that otherwise would have shown up in faster warming of surface air temps. I haven't found an 'authority' saying so yet :shrug: but I'm not a part or full time climate researcher.


Five-year pause in global temperature rise due to warming of deep oceans
By Fiona Harvey, The Guardian | Monday, July 22, 2013 21:30 EDT

A recent slowdown in the upward march of global temperatures is likely to be the result of the slow warming of the deep oceans, British scientists said on Monday.

Oceans are some of the Earth’s biggest absorbers of heat, which can be seen in effects such as sea level rises, caused by the expansion of large bodies of water as they warm. The absorption goes on over long periods, as heat from the surface is gradually circulated to the lower reaches of the seas.

Temperatures around the world have been broadly static over the past five years, though they were still significantly above historic norms, and the years from 2000 to 2012 comprise most of the 14 hottest years ever recorded. The scientists said the evidence still clearly pointed to a continuation of global warming in the coming decades as greenhouse gases in the atmosphere contribute to climate change.

This summer’s heatwave, the most prolonged period of hot weather in the UK for years, has not yet been taken into account in their measurements.

Peter Stott of the Met Office said computer-generated climate models all showed that periods of slower warming were to be expected as part of the natural variation of the climate cycle, and did not contradict predictions. Given that variation, current temperatures are within expectations.

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Figure 1: BEST land-only surface temperature data (green) with linear trends applied to the timeframes 1973 to 1980, 1980-1988, 1988-1995, 1995-2001, 1998-2005, 2002-2010 (blue), and 1973-2010 (red)

As well as the heating of the deep oceans, other factors have played a significant part in slowing temperature rises. These have included the solar minimum – when the sun is less active and generating slightly less heat, as occurred in 2008/2009 – and a series of small volcanic eruptions, including that of Iceland’s Eyjafjallajökull volcano in 2010. Ash from volcanoes reflects light back into space, and major eruptions in the past have had a severe, albeit temporary, cooling effect.

Despite the slowdown in warming, by 2060 the world is still likely to have experienced average temperatures of more than 2C above pre-industrial levels – a threshold that scientists regard as the limit of safety, beyond which climate change impacts are likely to become catastrophic. Prof Rowan Sutton, director of climate research at the National Centre for Atmospheric Research at Reading University, said the current pause would only delay reaching this point by five to 10 years.

The “pause” in the rise of global temperatures has been seized on by climate sceptics, however, who have interpreted it as proof that the science of climate change is mistaken. Despite the slowdown in warming, the warmest years on record were 1998, 2005 and 2010, according to the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

Prof Sutton added that more research was needed on the effects of warming on the deep oceans, as observations of deep ocean temperatures have only been carried out in detail over the past decade and more are needed. Higher temperatures could not only have a devastating effect on marine life, he said, but could also cause increases in sea levels because sea water expands when heated.

The Met Office warned early in the summer that the UK could be in for a decade of “washout” summers, like those of the past six years, because of the effect of climate change on global weather systems, partly as a result of changes in wind patterns caused by the melting Arctic.

But no sooner had the meteorologists made their prediction than the weather bucked this trend with a shift in the Atlantic’s jet stream air circulation system giving rise to high-pressure weather fronts and a long period of settled sunny weather.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby tazmic » Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:27 pm

A recent slowdown in the upward march of global temperatures is likely to be the result of the slow warming of the deep oceans.

Ah, the deep oceans - the Dark Matter of Climate Science!

Incidentally:
The “pause” in the rise of global temperatures has been seized on by climate sceptics, however, who have interpreted it as proof that the science of climate change is mistaken. Despite the slowdown in warming, the warmest years on record were 1998, 2005 and 2010, according to the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

Are those two sentences in that single paragraph supposed to be connected somehow? And does no one else cringe when reading the second line?

Anyway, I was wondering, given the sensational picture of our wee fresh water droplet above, if anyone has worked out the size of the sphere representing all the humans on earth.

Oh scratch that, that's not so interesting, and I wouldn't want to be seen as siding with a particular species, we are after all only a ten thousandth of the total biomass on earth - and we know of God's inordinate fondness for beetles...

What is the size of the sphere representing all the world's biomass?
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Ben D » Wed Jul 24, 2013 4:26 am

On the question of the current pause in global warming, here is an interesting post by Dr. Judith Curry expertly commenting on the report by UK Met Office.
UK Met Office on the pause
Posted on July 23, 2013
by Judith Curry

The recent pause in global surface temperature rise does not, in itself, materially alter the risks of substantial warming of the Earth by the end of this century. – UK Met Office

Bishop Hill points to three papers released today by the Met Office on the topic of the pause:

Paper 1: Observing changes in the climate system (PDF, 2 MB)
Paper 2: Recent pause in global warming: What are the potential causes? (PDF, 1 MB)
Paper 3: Implications for projections (PDF, 664 kB)
Below are some excerpts and my comments:

Paper 1: Observing changes in the climate system

Paper 1 provides a good observational summary of observations of a range of climate variables over the past 2-5 decades. In looking at these plots, I was struck by the disagreement among the different measurements/estimates of the same variable, notably humidity/water vapor and cloudiness.

A 15+ yr pause seems to be reflected in the following variables:

surface temperature
lower tropospheric temperature
lower stratospheric temperature
NH hemisphere snow extent
total column water vapor
From the conclusions:

It has shown that a wide range of observed climate indicators continue to show changes that are consistent with a globally warming world, and our understanding of how the climate system works.

Paper 2: Recent pause in global warming

Punchline from the Executive Summary:

It is not possible to explain the recent lack of surface warming solely by reductions in the total energy received by the planet, i.e. the balance between the total solar energy entering the system and the thermal energy leaving it. Observations of ocean heat content and of sea-level rise suggest that the additional heat from the continued rise in atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations has been absorbed in the ocean and has not been manifest as a rise in surface temperature. Changes in the exchange of heat between the upper and deep ocean appear to have caused at least part of the pause in surface warming, and observations suggest that the Pacific Ocean may play a key role.

There are potentially two distinct mechanisms to explain the recent pause; the first involves changes to the total energy received by the planet (radiative forcing), and the second involves the low frequency variability of the oceans and the way in which the oceans take up heat and store it below the surface, potentially into the deeper ocean. It is possible that a pause in surface warming could result from both mechanisms acting together.

From the section Is the current pause in global warming unusual?:

It is clear that there have been other periods with little or no surface warming in the relatively recent past, a good example being the period between the 1940s and the 1970s (Figure 1). The trend in warming over that period is well understood, and linked to a substantial increase in the amount of aerosol in the atmosphere.

JC comment: The 1940s to 1970s pause is not well understood; even with over juicing the climate models with aerosols for this period, they still don’t reproduce the pause. The aerosol explanation doesn’t hold up. I suspect it has mostly the same cause as the current pause, associated with changes in the ocean circulation patterns, notably the PDO and AMO.

The start of the current pause is difficult to determine precisely. Although 1998 is often quoted as the start of the current pause, this was an exceptionally warm year because of the largest El Niño in the instrumental record. This was followed by a strong La Niña event and a fall in global surface temperature of around 0.2oC (Figure 1), equivalent in magnitude to the average decadal warming trend in recent decades. It is only really since 2000 that the rise in global surface temperatures has paused.

JC comment: Here we see some spin. If the pause starts in 2000, it is further away from the 10, 15, 17, 20 yr thresholds variously argued for the length of a pause associated with natural internal variability. However from a climate dynamics perspective, I do agree that the shift began circa 2001 with changes to the ocean circulation.

New unpublished climate model results are cited:

Secondly, the results show that a pause of 10 years’ duration is likely to occur due to internal fluctuations about twice every century. Thirdly, the results also show that beyond periods of 20 years and longer, a pause of that duration occurring from natural, internal variability in the absence of other changes in external forcing appears to be unlikely.

More research remains to be done to investigate to what degree the current pause in global surface warming is unusual.

JC comment: this is why we need reliable paleclimate reconstructions with subdecadal resolution.

The most interesting text is in the section What do we know about changes in the ocean heat budget? Excerpts:

As Figure 4 shows, the North Atlantic warmed rapidly during the latter half of the 20th century and this may well have contributed to the rate of global surface temperature rise in that period. It has been estimated that variations in the AMO can give fluctuations of about 0.1°C in global temperature (Knight et al 2005). Since then the AMO has remained fairly constant, so it is unlikely that fluctuations in North Atlantic surface temperatures have contributed to the recent pause in global surface warming, although the deeper Atlantic may be storing some of the heat.

JC comment: I have seen higher estimates than 0.1C of the AMO contribution to global temperature

The timeseries of the PDO index (Figure 5, lower panel) shows multi-decadal variations in the phase of the PDO. The transition from the negative to the positive phase in the late 1970s has been widely documented, and is often referred to as the ‘1976 climate shift’ (e.g. Miller et al. 1994, Trenberth and Hurrell 1994). The PDO index has shifted back to its negative phase since the turn of the Millennium and the question is whether this has been a contributor to the recent pause in global mean surface warming.

Measurements of heat content in the deeper ocean are much sparser and hence less certain. Using a combination of satellite and ocean measurements down to 1800m, Loeb et al (2012) estimate the Earth system has been accumulating energy at a rate of 0.5±0.4 Wm-2 from 2001 to 2010, similar to the 0.4Wm-2 from 2005 to 2010 down to around 1500m estimated from Argo floats alone (von Schuckman and Le Traon 2011). Reanalyses of ocean data give an average rate of warming from 2000 to 2010 of about 0.9Wm-2 averaged over the globe, with 30% of the increase occurring below 700m (Balmaseda et al. 2013). We conclude that the Earth system has continued to absorb a substantial amount of heat during the last 15 years, despite the pause in surface warming.

JC comment: Interesting that Balmaseda et al estimate is about a factor of 2 higher than data only estimates.

However, prior to 1965 and from 2000 to the present day, there are substantial differences between the net radiative flux and the upper ocean heat uptake (black dashed curve in Figure 9), implying heat taken up by other components of the climate system, most likely the ocean below 800m. It is notable that there is a pause in the global mean surface temperature rise during both periods, and that the PDO was also in a strong negative phase

JC comment: This provides a rationale for reconsidering the aerosol explanation for the the previous 1940s to 1970s pause.

Focussing on the recent period in more detail, the onset of the current pause coincides with a maximum in upper ocean heat uptake around 2002, and may reflect a recovery both from Mount Pinatubo and from the record 1997/98 El Niño. A recent study (Guemas et al, 2013) shows that, in 2002, the upper ocean below the mixed layer took up heat, while the mixed layer and sea surface temperature did not warm. The onset of the pause may therefore have been caused by ocean processes, predominantly in the tropical Pacific, in which energy trapped by greenhouse gases was buried below the surface of the ocean.

However, the continuation of the pause in global surface warming beyond 2004 coincides with a decline in upper ocean heat uptake (Figure 9). Previous minima in heat uptake are often associated with volcanic eruptions, but the decline in heat uptake after 2002 cannot be explained by a major volcanic eruption. Understanding the cause of this decline in upper ocean heat content is therefore crucial for explaining the continuation of the pause in surface warming. As already noted the monitoring of upper ocean heat content has changed substantially over the last decade with the rapid increase in deployment and hence global coverage of floats.

JC comment: again, this is evidence of a climate shift circa 2001

If, however, the observations are robust, then the maximum in upper ocean heat uptake in the early part of this decade and the subsequent minimum in upper ocean heat uptake cannot be explained by changes in net radiative fluxes, as shown by large residuals in Figure 10. This suggests that the pause in global surface warming is unlikely to have been caused solely by systematic changes in the top of the atmosphere radiation associated with solar variability and minor volcanic eruptions, anthropogenic aerosol emissions, or changes in stratospheric water vapour as suggested in other studies.

JC comment: this acknowledgment that not all climate change is forced is important; unfortunately they only seem to apply it to the recent pause and not the warming in the 1980′s and 1990′s.

Although this analysis suggests that exchanges of energy between the upper and deep ocean, calculated here as a residual (see black dashed line in Figure 10), may be of a similar magnitude to upper ocean heat uptake and net radiative forcing, we cannot show definitively that this has been the dominant factor in the recent pause in global surface warming. The fact is that uncertainties in estimating upper ocean heat content from the current monitoring network, along with uncertainties in observing the net radiation budget already discussed, mean that the residual calculation of deep ocean heat flux has to be treated with limited confidence.

In addition, direct measurements of the exchange of heat between the upper and deep ocean do not exist because the present ocean observing network does not sample the ocean below 2000m adequately. Even if it did, the potential changes in temperature could be very small, remembering that the energy imbalances involved are less than 1Wm-2 (Figure 10) and therefore potentially not detectable as temperature changes. However, some ocean analyses (Balmaseda et al, 2013; Levitus et al, 2012) show a continued uptake of heat by the deeper ocean throughout the period, consistent with our conclusion that changes in TOA R may not play a leading role.

JC comment: This acknowledges the deficiencies and uncertainties in magnitude anyways of the recent deep ocean heat uptake.

From the conclusions:

What can we conclude from all this? First, periods of slowing down and pauses in surface warming are not unusual in the instrumental temperature record.Second, climate model simulations suggest that we can expect such a period of a decade or more to occur at least twice per century, due to internal variability alone. Third, recent research suggests that ocean heat re-arrangements, with a contribution from changes in top of the atmosphere radiation, could be important for explaining the recent pause in global surface warming.

JC comment: They seem to think that this pause is not unusual or even unexpected. 16 years of ‘pause’ and counting brings us very close to falling completely outside of the large envelope of climate model simulations. You can see why they want to redefine the pause to begin in 2000

The scientific questions posed by the current pause in global surface warming require us to understand in much greater detail the flows of energy into, out of, and around the Earth system. Current observations are not detailed enough or of long enough duration to provide definitive answers on the causes of the recent pause, and therefore do not enable us to close the Earth’s energy budget. These are major scientific challenges that the research community is actively pursuing, drawing on exploration and experimentation using a combination of theory, models and observations.

JC comment: Yes, the science is far from settled. We cannot close the Earth’s energy budget, and our models don’t adequately simulate multidecadal ocean variability.

Part 3: What are the implications of the pause for projections of future warming?

From the Concluding remarks:

Despite the fact that the first decade of the 21st century has been a period during which there was very little global mean surface temperature rise, the range of TCR estimates from the CMIP5 models lies within the TCR derived from observations, including this period. Indeed it can be shown that even the projections from much earlier models encompass the subsequent surface temperature observations, including the most recent decade. Therefore the physical basis of climate models and the projections they produce have not been invalidated by the recent pause in global surface temperature rise.

When projections from the newer CMIP5 models are combined with observations, and specifically including the surface temperatures from the last 10 years, the upper bound of projections of warming are slightly reduced, but the lower bound is largely unchanged. More importantly, the most likely warming is reduced by only 10%, indicating that the warming that we might previously have expected by 2050 would be delayed by only a few years.

Observational constraints on the ECS are more problematic because of uncertainties in energy storage in the Earth system. Again the models continue to provide a consistent range of values for the ECS, lying within the uncertainty range of the observationally-based estimates.

In conclusion, the recent pause in global surface temperature rise does not invalidate climate models or their estimates of climate sensitivity. It does however raise some important questions about how well we understand and observe the energy budget of the climate system, particularly the important role of the oceans in taking up and redistributing heat, as highlighted in the second report. In particular, this report emphasises that the recent pause in global surface warming does not, in itself, materially alter the risks of substantial warming of the Earth by the end of this century.

JC comment: They dismiss all of the recent empirical estimates of low climate sensitivity, and continue to think climate models are adequate.

JC summary: There is some good material in these reports. But they draw some conclusions that seem to me to be unwarranted, and further miss an opportunity to ‘cover their backs’ if the pause does indeed continue for another 2-3 decades by acknowledging the importance of multidecadal natural internal variability in explaining the 20th century record.

They seem to obliquely admit the inadequacy of climate models by saying that they have not been falsified by the recent pause. Well, even if they have not been falsified, the climate models are not looking very useful at the moment, and climate model-derived values of climate sensitivity are seeming increasingly unconvincing.

Update: Walter Mead sums it up this way:

There are innumerable variables in the climate system that could be responsible for the warming slowdown. These scientists have identified some of the likeliest culprits, but one professor admitted that they “don’t fully understand the relative importance of these different factors.”

That’s a big problem, considering most green legislation aimed at reducing emissions calls for measures to prevent very specific degrees of warming. This recent warming plateau is exposing our limited understanding of climate, and it’s effectively killing the rationale for green policies that limit growth and, at the most basic level, try to force people to do things they would rather not do. The biggest cause of climate skepticism isn’t evil oil companies and campaigns of disinformation; it is the inability of greens to refrain from overstating their case and insisting dogmatically and self righteously on more certainty than the frustrating facts can give.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby wintler2 » Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:09 am

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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby wintler2 » Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:24 am

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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Ben D » Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:37 pm

Even David Shukman, BBC Science editor is on the case... :shock:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23409404

Why has global warming stalled?

BBC 22 July 2013 Last updated at 17:15 GMT

With Britain's heatwave reaching a peak, there could be no better moment to talk about why global warming has slowed to a standstill.

It reminds me of reporting on a drought a few years ago: while filming interviews with people about the impact, the heavens opened and rainwater was soon flowing down my neck.

So as journalists were invited to the Science Media Centre in London to hear how the worldwide rise in temperatures has stalled, the mercury shot up as if on cue to record the hottest day of the year so far.

In many ways, this event was long overdue: climate sceptics have for years pointed out that the world is not warming as rapidly as once forecast.

A lot depends on how you do the measurements, of course.

There are plenty of possible explanations but none of them adds up to a definitive smoking gun.”

Each of the last few decades has been warmer than the last. But start your graph in 1998 - which happened to be an exceptionally warm year - and there hasn't been much global warming at all.

Gradually the words 'pause' and 'hiatus' which first featured in the blogs have crossed to the media and then to the scientists professionally engaged in researching the global climate.

The headline - which the scientists will not thank me for - is that no one is really sure why the rate of warming has stumbled.

No smoking gun

There are plenty of possible explanations but none of them adds up to a definitive smoking gun.
Professor Piers Forster of Leeds University has tried to quantify the different factors involved - what's known as their "radiative forcing".

Between 1998-2012, he reckons, manmade greenhouse gases were still the biggest influence, causing warming of 0.48 of a Watt per square metre (a key measure of energy flows to and from the planet).

At the same, he estimates, two other natural influences might have led to some cooling: a relatively quiet Sun might have been responsible for a reduction of 0.16 of a Watt/sq m and volcanic eruptions another 0.06 Watt/sq m.

A big unknown is the effect of aerosols - tiny particles released by industrial pollution which could cause a further cooling effect.

It is thought that the world's massive industrialisation after World War Two contributed to a slight drop in global temperatures in the late 1940s.

But the key factor - according to all the speakers at the briefing - is that whatever solar energy is making it through to the surface, much is being absorbed by the hidden depths of the oceans.

The Argo network of automated monitors has been deployed since 2005 to measure the waters as deep as 1,800m. This isn't a very long period but the data are apparently showing some warming - even in this short time frame.

And readings from satellites since 2000 show how much energy is arriving at the planet, and how much is leaving, so if the energy left behind is not manifesting itself in rising surface temperatures, then it must be going somewhere - and the deep ocean is the most plausible explanation.

Pauses expected

On top of that, the scientists say, pauses in warming were always to be expected. This is new - at least to me.

It is common sense that climate change would not happen in a neat, linear away but instead in fits and starts.

But I've never heard leading researchers mention the possibility before.

Professor Rowan Sutton, of Reading University, said computer simulations or models of possible future climate scenarios often show periods of ten years with no warming trend - some even show pauses of 20-25 years.

And Professor Stephen Belcher, head of the Met Office Hadley Centre, said observations and models showed that on average there were - or would be - two pauses in warming every century.

I asked why this had not come up in earlier presentations. No one really had an answer, except to say that this "message" about pauses had not been communicated widely.

So where does this leave us, as greenhouse gases emissions keep rising but the temperature does not?

Dr Peter Stott, of the Met Office, pointed out that 12 of the 14 warmest years have occurred since the year 2000 and says that other indicators - like the decline in Arctic sea ice of 12.9% per decade and losses of snow cover and glaciers - still point to a process of manmade warming.

Bad maths

But what about another possibility - that the calculations are wrong?

What if the climate models - which are the very basis for all discussions of what to do about global warming - exaggerate the sensitivity of the climate to rising carbon dioxide?

Dr Stott conceded that the projections showing the most rapid warming now look less likely, given recent observations, but that others remain largely unchanged.

A Met Office briefing document, released at the briefing, says that, even allowing for the temperatures of the last decade, the most likely warming scenario is only reduced by 10% - so "the warming that we might have expected by 2050 would be delayed by only a few years".

Overall, it concludes, the pause "does not materially alter the risks of substantial warming of the Earth by the end of this century."

In other words, global warming is still on.

But until the pause can be properly explained, many people will take a lot of convincing - especially if the pause lasts longer than expected.

David Shukman, BBC Science editor


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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby wintler2 » Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:19 pm

As temperatures rise, tropical forests absorb less CO2
Rising temperatures are linked to a decrease in carbon dioxide (CO2) absorption by tropical forests, according to a 50-year study published today.

Greenhouse gases, such as CO2, contribute to global warming, sea level rises and extreme weather events, previous studies have shown.

Forests absorb CO2 during photosynthesis and release it during respiration.

The new NASA-lead study, conducted with the CSIRO and published in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, builds on a growing body of evidence that suggests global warming will accelerate as time goes by.

The researchers analysed data on global atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration and climate variability between 1959 and 2011, which included El Niño years characterised by higher temperatures and lower average rainfalls.

The researchers found that a tropical land surface temperature rise of one degree Celsius led to an average extra 3.5 Petagrams of CO2 being pushed into the atmosphere per year. A Petagram is a billion tonnes.

“Tropical forests are carbon sinks but when it gets hotter, they become less efficient in absorbing CO2 from the atmosphere. We are learning very clearly that tropical forests do not like to be any hotter than they are. As soon as you increase the temperature, they perform less well as carbon sinks,” said study co-author Pep Canadell, Executive Officer of the Global Carbon Project.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby justdrew » Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:38 am

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NOAA's Arctic division maintains a couple of webcams at the North Pole, and one of them is showing a pretty impressive meltwater lake forming around it. Previous years show small ponds forming and refreezing throughout the summer, but this year nearly all the snow in view of the camera has melted into a lake-sized slush.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Ben D » Mon Jul 29, 2013 7:22 pm

^^ Except the pic was not taken at the North Pole...

http://www.climatecentral.org/news/melting-at-north-pole-how-bad-is-it-16294

First, the cameras in question, which are attached to instruments that scientists have deposited on the sea ice at the start of each spring since 2002, may have “North Pole” in their name, but they are no longer located at the North Pole. In fact, as this map below shows, they have drifted well south of the North Pole, since they sit atop sea ice floes that move along with ocean currents. Currently, the waterlogged camera is near the prime meridian, at 85 degrees north latitude.

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“It’s moved away from the North Pole region and it will eventually exit Fram Strait,” said Mark Serreze, the director of the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) in Boulder, Colo., in an interview. Fram Strait lies between Greenland and Norway, and is one of the main routes for sea ice to get flushed out of the Arctic Ocean.

The second thing to keep in mind is that melting sea ice at or near the North Pole is actually not a rare event. Observations from the webcams dating back to 2002, and from satellite imagery and nuclear-powered submarines that have explored the ice cover since the Cold War era dating back several decades, show that sea ice around the North Pole has formed melt ponds, and even areas of open water, several times in the past.



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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby fruhmenschen » Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:13 pm

Still don't understand how FBI agents control Congress and the US Senate through voter fraud and blackmail?
Then you won't understand how taxpayer funded FBI agents control the media and have limited any dialogue
about Global Warming and Climate Change. It is ok.
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