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Wombaticus Rex » Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:38 pm wrote:"Dig Your Well Before You’re Thirsty" sure is interesting phrasing, though. Was Darby digging wells in conservative media before he was thirsty?
That's not a trivial question, because it would completely demolish the foundation of his origin story. It would also make a lot more sense than his origin story!
Wombaticus Rex » 26 Jul 2013 19:38 wrote:"Dig Your Well Before You’re Thirsty" sure is interesting phrasing, though. Was Darby digging wells in conservative media before he was thirsty?
That's not a trivial question, because it would completely demolish the foundation of his origin story. It would also make a lot more sense than his origin story!
But Common Ground's approach soon began to grate on Darby. He bristled at its consensus-based decision making, its interminable debates over things like whether serving meat to locals was serving oppression. He idolized rugged, iconoclastic populists like Che Guevara—so, in early 2006, he jumped at a chance to go to Venezuela to solicit money for Katrina victims.
Darby was deeply impressed with what he saw, until a state oil exec asked him to go to Colombia and meet with FARC, the communist guerrilla group. "They said they wanted to help me start a guerrilla movement in the swamps of Louisiana," he told "This American Life" reporter Michael May. "And I was like, 'I don't think so.'" It turned out armed revolution wasn't really his thing.
Darby's former friends dispute the Venezuela story as they dispute much that he says. They accuse him of grandstanding, being combative, and even spying on his rivals. In his short-lived tenure as Common Ground's interim director, Darby drove out 30 volunteer coordinators and replaced them with a small band of loyalists. "He could only see what's in it for him," Crow told me. For example, Darby preempted a planned police-harassment hot line by making flyers asking victims to call his personal phone number."
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By mid-2007, Darby had left the group and become preoccupied with the conflict in Lebanon. Before long, Darby says, he was approached in Austin by a Lebanese-born schoolteacher, Riad Hamad, for help with a vague plan to launder money into the Palestinian territories. Hamad also spoke about smuggling bombs into Israel, he claims.
Darby says he discouraged Hamad at first, and then tipped off Bryson, who put him in touch with the FBI. "I talked," he told me. "And it was the fucking weirdest thing." He knew his friends would hate him for what he'd done. (The FBI raided Hamad's home, and discovered nothing incriminating; he was found dead in Austin's Lady Bird Lake two months later—an apparent suicide.)
American Dream » Fri Jul 26, 2013 3:55 pm wrote:Wombaticus Rex » Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:38 pm wrote:"Dig Your Well Before You’re Thirsty" sure is interesting phrasing, though. Was Darby digging wells in conservative media before he was thirsty?
That's not a trivial question, because it would completely demolish the foundation of his origin story. It would also make a lot more sense than his origin story!
And/or how do the FBI and other such groups develop deep cover informants for that matter? How much appeals to greed? How much threats of criminal sanction?
What sorts of psychological profiles should they look for? Psychopaths? Addicts?
What else?
Wombaticus Rex » Fri Jul 26, 2013 3:31 pm wrote:That origin story, in technicolor cinematic glory...
Via: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... -terrorismBut Common Ground's approach soon began to grate on Darby. He bristled at its consensus-based decision making, its interminable debates over things like whether serving meat to locals was serving oppression. He idolized rugged, iconoclastic populists like Che Guevara—so, in early 2006, he jumped at a chance to go to Venezuela to solicit money for Katrina victims.
Darby was deeply impressed with what he saw, until a state oil exec asked him to go to Colombia and meet with FARC, the communist guerrilla group. "They said they wanted to help me start a guerrilla movement in the swamps of Louisiana," he told "This American Life" reporter Michael May. "And I was like, 'I don't think so.'" It turned out armed revolution wasn't really his thing.
Darby's former friends dispute the Venezuela story as they dispute much that he says. They accuse him of grandstanding, being combative, and even spying on his rivals. In his short-lived tenure as Common Ground's interim director, Darby drove out 30 volunteer coordinators and replaced them with a small band of loyalists. "He could only see what's in it for him," Crow told me. For example, Darby preempted a planned police-harassment hot line by making flyers asking victims to call his personal phone number."
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By mid-2007, Darby had left the group and become preoccupied with the conflict in Lebanon. Before long, Darby says, he was approached in Austin by a Lebanese-born schoolteacher, Riad Hamad, for help with a vague plan to launder money into the Palestinian territories. Hamad also spoke about smuggling bombs into Israel, he claims.
Darby says he discouraged Hamad at first, and then tipped off Bryson, who put him in touch with the FBI. "I talked," he told me. "And it was the fucking weirdest thing." He knew his friends would hate him for what he'd done. (The FBI raided Hamad's home, and discovered nothing incriminating; he was found dead in Austin's Lady Bird Lake two months later—an apparent suicide.)
MayDay » Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:56 pm wrote:I never saw blatant and widespread infiltration by obvious agents until working to organize our local Occupy, where I suspected that between 10-30 percent of the original "organizers" were actually agents of some form or another, a suspicion of mine from the beginning that has since been corroborated by ample evidence that can be found all over the web (see the stratfor leaks thread, for one example). I felt the urge to stand up at one of the early meetings and ask the officers and agents present to please reveal themselves, but I restrained myself for fear of the immediate ridicule and eventual harassment that would have undoubtedly followed.
MayDay » Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:56 pm wrote:
Darby was a pretty bizarre case. He was tasked with infiltrating one of the most infuriatingly incohesive, shifty, and hypocritical politicalally motivated groups I've ever interacted with- the Austin anarchist scene, circ. mid 2000's. I'm generalizing here, but these kids really didn't embody the caring, co-operative ethos of other anarchist groups I've worked and lived with. They were loud, abrasive, cared only about fucking shit up and attacking the police (Funny thing is, for a big city, the local cops are among the tamest in the nation, imo). Many of them imagined that being an anarchist means blowing shit up, and not much else. That it took him as long as it did to actually entrap a couple of them, to get them to act on their violence, only goes to show how little of a threat this scene actually was. Someone, we assume from this scene, eventually succeded in burning down the governors mansion a few years back without any prompting from Darby. Rick Perry got his place remodeled on the taxpayers dime. So subversive.
American Dream » 27 Jul 2013 02:06 wrote:MayDay » Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:56 pm wrote:
Darby was a pretty bizarre case. He was tasked with infiltrating one of the most infuriatingly incohesive, shifty, and hypocritical politicalally motivated groups I've ever interacted with- the Austin anarchist scene, circ. mid 2000's. I'm generalizing here, but these kids really didn't embody the caring, co-operative ethos of other anarchist groups I've worked and lived with. They were loud, abrasive, cared only about fucking shit up and attacking the police (Funny thing is, for a big city, the local cops are among the tamest in the nation, imo). Many of them imagined that being an anarchist means blowing shit up, and not much else. That it took him as long as it did to actually entrap a couple of them, to get them to act on their violence, only goes to show how little of a threat this scene actually was. Someone, we assume from this scene, eventually succeded in burning down the governors mansion a few years back without any prompting from Darby. Rick Perry got his place remodeled on the taxpayers dime. So subversive.
That leads to another paranoid hunch I have: that it is the Feds and other such bad guys who are doing some/much of the pumping up of the "fuck shit up" ethos, especially where it is individualistic, not strategic, impulsive, over the top, etc.
Could this be? Yes it could.
nashvillebrook » Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:26 am wrote:American Dream » 27 Jul 2013 02:06 wrote:MayDay » Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:56 pm wrote:
Darby was a pretty bizarre case. He was tasked with infiltrating one of the most infuriatingly incohesive, shifty, and hypocritical politicalally motivated groups I've ever interacted with- the Austin anarchist scene, circ. mid 2000's. I'm generalizing here, but these kids really didn't embody the caring, co-operative ethos of other anarchist groups I've worked and lived with. They were loud, abrasive, cared only about fucking shit up and attacking the police (Funny thing is, for a big city, the local cops are among the tamest in the nation, imo). Many of them imagined that being an anarchist means blowing shit up, and not much else. That it took him as long as it did to actually entrap a couple of them, to get them to act on their violence, only goes to show how little of a threat this scene actually was. Someone, we assume from this scene, eventually succeded in burning down the governors mansion a few years back without any prompting from Darby. Rick Perry got his place remodeled on the taxpayers dime. So subversive.
That leads to another paranoid hunch I have: that it is the Feds and other such bad guys who are doing some/much of the pumping up of the "fuck shit up" ethos, especially where it is individualistic, not strategic, impulsive, over the top, etc.
Could this be? Yes it could.
I think it makes sense to consider that *instigation* would be one tactic in an overall strategy that aims to disempower or alienate activist groups in general. I get that the Austin anarchists themselves likely couldn't organize a dinner party, let alone any sort of dreamy "insurrection." But, drawing them into something big and horrible/stupid, could be effective in smearing other organizers especially in a collective group such as Occupy...or even other groups they might associate with in the community outside of Occupy.
Community organizers who saw the potential for this at my Occupy stayed away from it once a Darby-associated wannabe started instigated for the group to "fuck shit up." This knee-capped community organizers who had a rare chance to find sympathetic ears. Predictably when the instigated arrests happened, the Occupy fell apart. Those people were trespassed and couldn't participate any longer, and those who were divided. Community allies took a giant step back, as did the general population of working people who supported Occupy, but couldn't camp out.
It was all too easy for this guy. As soon as this happened the Darby wannabe disappeared. Supposedly off to bigger and better Occupies up north -- leaving the kids who got arrested with legal bills and records. Oh! I nearly forgot...before he left he made sure to drive a wedge between the arrested kids and the legal team. The couple of cases that the legal team took to trial were won. Everyone else pleaded out using his hand-picked attorney, leaving them *in the system* -- saddled with debt, and having to go to probation.
Do I know for sure if this guy's intention was rotten from the start? Given that he bragged of being Darby's BFF, that he used cringe-worthy racial language, and had an odd militarism about him...and given the outcome of his involvement...I'd say he was either really bad at doing Occupy or really good at fucking Occupy.
All he had to do was "pump up the fuck shit up" ethos. Simple as that.
American Dream » 27 Jul 2013 14:37 wrote:[quote="
A very telling story. And it's usually difficult to criticize the most vocally militant person in the room, when there is a significant group of people who want deep, meaningful change. The response is predictable.
nashvillebrook » Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:45 am wrote:American Dream » 27 Jul 2013 14:37 wrote:[quote="
A very telling story. And it's usually difficult to criticize the most vocally militant person in the room, when there is a significant group of people who want deep, meaningful change. The response is predictable.
I'd say too, that the insurrectionist was very focused on "relationship building," but not with people his age, or allies or leaders. He was organizing relentlessly with the youngest, least experienced kids. And that the community organizers were very unfocused on this. Instead of being out with clip boards collecting petitions and email addys for further communication, they took a wait-and-see approach -- likely b/c they didn't want to bring troublemakers into their universe.
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