Most Motherfuckers Are Men - Not Coincidentally

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Most Motherfuckers Are Men - Not Coincidentally

Postby JackRiddler » Mon Aug 26, 2013 3:16 pm


http://blogs.hbr.org/cs/2013/08/why_do_ ... t_men.html

Why Do So Many Incompetent Men Become Leaders?

by Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic | 9:00 AM August 22, 2013

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There are three popular explanations for the clear under-representation of women in management, namely: (1) they are not capable; (2) they are not interested; (3) they are both interested and capable but unable to break the glass-ceiling: an invisible career barrier, based on prejudiced stereotypes, that prevents women from accessing the ranks of power. Conservatives and chauvinists tend to endorse the first; liberals and feminists prefer the third; and those somewhere in the middle are usually drawn to the second. But what if they all missed the big picture?

In my view, the main reason for the uneven management sex ratio is our inability to discern between confidence and competence. That is, because we (people in general) commonly misinterpret displays of confidence as a sign of competence, we are fooled into believing that men are better leaders than women. In other words, when it comes to leadership, the only advantage that men have over women (e.g., from Argentina to Norway and the USA to Japan) is the fact that manifestations of hubris — often masked as charisma or charm — are commonly mistaken for leadership potential, and that these occur much more frequently in men than in women.

This is consistent with the finding that leaderless groups have a natural tendency to elect self-centered, overconfident and narcissistic individuals as leaders, and that these personality characteristics are not equally common in men and women. In line, Freud argued that the psychological process of leadership occurs because a group of people — the followers — have replaced their own narcissistic tendencies with those of the leader, such that their love for the leader is a disguised form of self-love, or a substitute for their inability to love themselves. "Another person's narcissism", he said, "has a great attraction for those who have renounced part of their own... as if we envied them for maintaining a blissful state of mind."

The truth of the matter is that pretty much anywhere in the world men tend to think that they that are much smarter than women. Yet arrogance and overconfidence are inversely related to leadership talent — the ability to build and maintain high-performing teams, and to inspire followers to set aside their selfish agendas in order to work for the common interest of the group. Indeed, whether in sports, politics or business, the best leaders are usually humble — and whether through nature or nurture, humility is a much more common feature in women than men. For example, women outperform men on emotional intelligence, which is a strong driver of modest behaviors. Furthermore, a quantitative review of gender differences in personality involving more than 23,000 participants in 26 cultures indicated that women are more sensitive, considerate, and humble than men, which is arguably one of the least counter-intuitive findings in the social sciences. An even clearer picture emerges when one examines the dark side of personality: for instance, our normative data, which includes thousands of managers from across all industry sectors and 40 countries, shows that men are consistently more arrogant, manipulative and risk-prone than women.

The paradoxical implication is that the same psychological characteristics that enable male managers to rise to the top of the corporate or political ladder are actually responsible for their downfall. In other words, what it takes to get the job is not just different from, but also the reverse of, what it takes to do the job well. As a result, too many incompetent people are promoted to management jobs, and promoted over more competent people.

Unsurprisingly, the mythical image of a "leader" embodies many of the characteristics commonly found in personality disorders, such as narcissism (Steve Jobs or Vladimir Putin), psychopathy (fill in the name of your favorite despot here), histrionic (Richard Branson or Steve Ballmer) or Machiavellian (nearly any federal-level politician) personalities. The sad thing is not that these mythical figures are unrepresentative of the average manager, but that the average manager will fail precisely for having these characteristics.

In fact, most leaders — whether in politics or business — fail. That has always been the case: the majority of nations, companies, societies and organizations are poorly managed, as indicated by their longevity, revenues, and approval ratings, or by the effects they have on their citizens, employees, subordinates or members. Good leadership has always been the exception, not the norm.

So it struck me as a little odd that so much of the recent debate over getting women to "lean in" has focused on getting them to adopt more of these dysfunctional leadership traits. Yes, these are the people we often choose as our leaders — but should they be?

Most of the character traits that are truly advantageous for effective leadership are predominantly found in those who fail to impress others about their talent for management. This is especially true for women. There is now compelling scientific evidence for the notion that women are more likely to adopt more effective leadership strategies than do men. Most notably, in a comprehensive review of studies, Alice Eagly and colleagues showed that female managers are more likely to elicit respect and pride from their followers, communicate their vision effectively, empower and mentor subordinates, and approach problem-solving in a more flexible and creative way (all characteristics of "transformational leadership"), as well as fairly reward direct reports. In contrast, male managers are statistically less likely to bond or connect with their subordinates, and they are relatively more inept at rewarding them for their actual performance. Although these findings may reflect a sampling bias that requires women to be more qualified and competent than men in order to be chosen as leaders, there is no way of really knowing until this bias is eliminated.

In sum, there is no denying that women's path to leadership positions is paved with many barriers including a very thick glass ceiling. But a much bigger problem is the lack of career obstacles for incompetent men, and the fact that we tend to equate leadership with the very psychological features that make the average man a more inept leader than the average woman. The result is a pathological system that rewards men for their incompetence while punishing women for their competence, to everybody's detriment.
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Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Aug 26, 2013 3:19 pm

if they could just get over that Hollywood image
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Postby justdrew » Mon Aug 26, 2013 3:39 pm

fully agree, however I don't think the focus needs to be on gender disparity, but neuro-type disparity.

How long have I harped on the need to screen out Authoritarian Psychological Types from positions of authority? Long time.

Another factor the OP doesn't address: the incompetent also become the ones who choose who else to elevate to 'leadership' - they have no incentive to pick someone who might make them look bad by out performing, and it's tactically far more useful to hire expendable sub-leaders who can then be ejected upon failure, scapegoated, creating a firewall against accountability for the upper-leaders.

Modern workplaces do have an issue of performance. I've been shuffled off a couple times due to outperforming the 'herd' and recall the resentment other school "chums" expressed when I'd get a 100% on a test, thus "throwing off the curve" for them.
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Postby Sounder » Mon Aug 26, 2013 4:21 pm

Because coercion is a primary feature of our current vertical authority distribution system, the situation will remain as is until we find our way toward more horizontally oriented conceptual structures.

In the mean time, we need to analyze and expose the absurdity of our current productions of society.

Thanks for the article Jack.
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Re: Most Motherfuckers Are Men - Not Coincidentally

Postby KeenInsight » Tue Aug 27, 2013 12:13 am

Most women, I think are naturally compassionate, but then again I think men can be too. And on the flip side, both are capable of the complete opposite of compassion - although for sure, historically, women can't put a candle to the evil shit men have bestowed with - which I think stems from "societal" norms or memes that steer people towards a certain mindset - such as the notion to "lead" which ties in with becoming narcisstic, etc.

Personally, i think the topic is fascinating, because it stems a lot from human history. In the past, there were definitely clear examples were the earliest beliefs grew around nurturing and the notion of "mother earth" and women as being more sacred and important. We are a species that literally has lost ourselves; as Graham Hancock says, a species that suffers from amnesia. That definitely dwindled with the notion of the "sacred mother" and the woman as the creator of man, again through out very scattered bits of history, when those beliefs were essentially destroyed out right dissuaded with the rise of the opposite - catering to power and the notion of "maleness" in Godly figures as being more important. It is essentially the biggest "meme" ever in human history, which is absolutely why I believe if the truer tales of the guy known as Jesus Christ have a grain of truth, he could have been just a guy, his beliefs were that man and women were equal were definitely covered up - and a religion was created by using his name and followers by dissuading any such notion of equality between man and woman, or essentially all man and women of any race.

I voted for independent women twice, but I will definitely dread the day if heartless women like Hillary Clinton were to become a President. She is just as bad as the worst male politicians and clearly not on the side of "good." The same woman, who on national Television, gleefully bounced around like some sort of evil clown when she acted absolutely ecstatic that they "got him" (Gaddafi), because you know, destabilizing a nation for the purpose of assassination is totally legal and not a crime at all...
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Postby jlaw172364 » Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:10 pm

Just remember that the vast majority, if not all of the bad shit that men do is derived from their aim to gather and protect resources for their families. And once you start doing bad shit to feed the wife and kids, you start to say to yourself, "Gee, this really sucks, but if I get really good at it, I can make bigger scores, and then I can retire and stop inflicting psychological damage on myself, and / or risking death." Additionally, do you suppose that the wives, mistresses and children of the male villains are nice people and / or victims? Who do you think is making constant demands for more resources?
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Postby Iamwhomiam » Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:20 pm

jlaw172364 » Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:10 pm wrote:Just remember that the vast majority, if not all of the bad shit that men do is derived from their aim to gather and protect resources for their families. And once you start doing bad shit to feed the wife and kids, you start to say to yourself, "Gee, this really sucks, but if I get really good at it, I can make bigger scores, and then I can retire and stop inflicting psychological damage on myself, and / or risking death." Additionally, do you suppose that the wives, mistresses and children of the male villains are nice people and / or victims? Who do you think is making constant demands for more resources?

Bullshit! There are plenty of men without families who are prime mother fuckers, literally and figuratively. Having a family to provide for is but a weak excuse for why men are so often such misogynist assholes naturally.

"Who do you think is making constant demands for more resources?" You, for example, through your own greed for more of what you'll never use, to have and to hold forever. Don't blame your family for being the responsible party, blame yourself. You are responsible for creating your family, not your wife, though she was essential for its growth. Christ, do you ever look inside yourself for answers to your problems? That's where they all begin. Blaming an outside force for your mindset will never resolve your internal conflict to run or provide. Blame yourself!
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Postby JackRiddler » Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:37 pm

jlaw172364 » Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:10 pm wrote:Just remember that the vast majority, if not all of the bad shit that men do is derived from their aim to gather and protect resources for their families. And once you start doing bad shit to feed the wife and kids, you start to say to yourself, "Gee, this really sucks, but if I get really good at it, I can make bigger scores, and then I can retire and stop inflicting psychological damage on myself, and / or risking death." Additionally, do you suppose that the wives, mistresses and children of the male villains are nice people and / or victims? Who do you think is making constant demands for more resources?


It's okay, I don't mind what you say though it describes only a narrow part of the whole. There's some female demandin' for male predatory behavior going on, we've all seen it happening and it's a legit factor to consider in a complex set of intercausalities.

First, I should say I picked this thread title while having an anti-man fit over the ongoing slut-shaming thread.

Second, you really are looking at a narrow part. You describe the routine, so to speak middle class form of conformist "bad shit," the kind "good" people are gradually socialized into doing and then go further and further with, based on the incentives and deterrences they encounter. But such people are followers, and they are being led and whipped up by the proactive, almost always male, super-narcissist and hyper-uninhibited, win-at-all-costs types. The "prime mother fuckers" as Iam just called them.

As Iam also said, great many of these "leadership" people are demonstrably without "wife and kids," or show an ease in dumping and acquiring new families and relationships as they go along their paths of havoc.

Some people never need to be trained or seduced into evil, they are into maximizing their personal power by all means from the word go. What's our most usual (non-mystical) image of a sociopathic, evil human on RI? A completely unscrupulous banker or politician or spook, right? Someone engaged in mutual blackmail arrangements and other collusions with similarly sociopathic individuals, someone all-out bent on maximum accumulation, power, aggrandizement and self-triumphalism. Such ain't doing their bad shit for wife and kids, such ain't in need of any justification. Might makes right, whatever I get away with was good, etc.

And society and culture keep defining such personalities as winners, and taking them as leaders due to an enchantment with "confidence" and "charisma" and other external signs of "competence" (such as a quick wit or ease in public speaking). And, as I think the point of the article goes, they tend overwhelmingly to be male, both because such qualities will be more prevalent among males (whether due to nature or nurture, it's just a fact) and because of the sexist perceptual system under which the same assertive behaviors in male and female are judged variably as positive in the male and negative in the female.

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Postby Iamwhomiam » Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:49 pm

Thanks, Jack. You're more so thoughtful and kinder than I.

I'm just a plain ol' MF, without an agenda and self-motivated when acting upon my desire, at least these days, rare as they may be.
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Postby norton ash » Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:56 pm

I was a nice, compassionate low-earning fellow before I met Lola. Now I sell meth and guns and run sweatshops when I'm not phoning senior citizens for their bank account numbers.

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Postby JackRiddler » Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:04 pm

Iamwhomiam » Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:49 pm wrote:Thanks, Jack. You're more so thoughtful and kinder than I.


Ha, now that is a fucking rarity! :sun:
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