How to Overthrow the Illuminati

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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:25 pm

However, these things aren’t the result of a plot of a small group of evil men. The fact is that capitalism is a self-sustaining economic system with a life of its own. It doesn’t really matter who is at the top as long as somebody is. People find it hard to grasp the reality of the way our economic and social system works, because it’s complex and hard to understand. Put simply, capitalists don’t want to just get rich and sit back. They want to find ways they can invest profits to create more profits and keep the economy growing. That’s the driving force, not the evil desires of a small group of men. But it’s hard to get your head round that, and many people find it much easier to blame an identifiable group they can easily conceptualise, like Jews.


Does anyone else find this pretty circular? Things aren't the result of a plot because it doesn't matter who is involved with the plot -- and the conclusion I'm supposed to take away is that there is no plot?

I also love the smarmy transition from "it's complex and hard to understand" to "Put simply..."

That essay was just as shitty as anything on Rense.
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby American Dream » Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:36 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Sat Aug 31, 2013 7:25 pm wrote:
However, these things aren’t the result of a plot of a small group of evil men. The fact is that capitalism is a self-sustaining economic system with a life of its own. It doesn’t really matter who is at the top as long as somebody is. People find it hard to grasp the reality of the way our economic and social system works, because it’s complex and hard to understand. Put simply, capitalists don’t want to just get rich and sit back. They want to find ways they can invest profits to create more profits and keep the economy growing. That’s the driving force, not the evil desires of a small group of men. But it’s hard to get your head round that, and many people find it much easier to blame an identifiable group they can easily conceptualise, like Jews.


Does anyone else find this pretty circular? Things aren't the result of a plot because it doesn't matter who is involved with the plot -- and the conclusion I'm supposed to take away is that there is no plot?

I also love the smarmy transition from "it's complex and hard to understand" to "Put simply..."

That essay was just as shitty as anything on Rense.


I do think that there are plenty of conspiratorial actions going on in the world and that the political/economic system that shapes this skullduggery is rarely understood by conspiracy investigators. At the same time, most structuralist types, ala Chomsky, tend to discount the importance of conspiracy at all.

This is what gets circular to me: One side yelling "black!" and another side yelling "white!" when really there are a million shades of gray.

That said, I find the charts of the supposed vast, ancient and monolithic Conspiracy behind all evil to be a pitiful embarrassment for all concerned.
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:47 pm

you're the only one saying that fool...get over yourself

you turn every thread you can into an anti-semite hunting thing....
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby American Dream » Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:48 pm

I rest my case.
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:50 pm



You are so fuckin tiresome....repeating the same crap over and over it really gets old

GOOD ....PRAISE THE LORD

Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby MacCruiskeen » Sat Aug 31, 2013 9:11 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Sat Aug 31, 2013 7:25 pm wrote:
However, these things aren’t the result of a plot of a small group of evil men. The fact is that capitalism is a self-sustaining economic system with a life of its own. It doesn’t really matter who is at the top as long as somebody is. People find it hard to grasp the reality of the way our economic and social system works, because it’s complex and hard to understand. Put simply, capitalists don’t want to just get rich and sit back. They want to find ways they can invest profits to create more profits and keep the economy growing. That’s the driving force, not the evil desires of a small group of men. But it’s hard to get your head round that, and many people find it much easier to blame an identifiable group they can easily conceptualise, like Jews.


Does anyone else find this pretty circular? Things aren't the result of a plot because it doesn't matter who is involved with the plot -- and the conclusion I'm supposed to take away is that there is no plot?
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Quite. And this ->

The fact is that capitalism is a self-sustaining economic system with a life of its own.


...is obscurantism. "Capitalism" is an abstraction. It no more has a life of its own (sic) than, say, "Evil" or "Sin" or "Justice" or "Revolution" or "Communism" or "Science" or "The Free Market". None of these abstractions can ever be embodied or realised (or even faked!) except by & through human actors, who are (by definition) individuals with names and addresses, legal and moral rights & obligations, and a single limited lifespan.

Compare:

The fact is that crime is a self-sustaining economic system with a life of its own.


So "it doesnt really matter who is at the top"? Really? So there was no point in indicting, say, Guy Fawkes or Al Capone or the Kray Brothers or Ken Lay & Jeffrey Skilling? Because "these things aren’t the result of a plot of a small group of evil men"?

Or:

The fact is that fascism is a self-sustaining economic system with a life of its own.


So "it doesnt really matter who is at the top"? Really? So there was no point in indicting, say, the surviving Nazi leaders (at Nuremberg)? Because "these things aren’t the result of a plot of a small group of evil men"?

Bullshit.

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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Aug 31, 2013 9:25 pm

no other person has got more attention on this board than David Icke and AD is the one that is responsible for that
let's start with this one you'd think this would have been the last one we needed...
David Icke Superthread
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=34141&p=451260&hilit=David+icke#p451260


all these others are just individual threads just since 2007 ...not his individual posts that would have taken forever to post
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DO we really need any more of this shit? Isn't everything that needs to be said been said? Cut the crap...we heard it all...repeatedly

That is a thread started every other month for 6 years straight on the same subject

Are we done yet AD? Are you really resting your case? That would be a breath of fresh air ....if true :roll:
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby Elvis » Sun Sep 01, 2013 12:20 am

Shouldn't we be making a list of who not to arrest after the revolution?
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby American Dream » Sun Sep 01, 2013 6:24 am

http://endofcapitalism.com/2011/05/24/s ... s-heal-us/

Silvia Federici: Capitalism Destroys Us, Movements Heal Us
May 24, 2011

“To me, the struggle is a healing process. If the struggle itself is not a healing process, it’s not worth it! There’s something wrong with it. You struggle because you need to liberate yourself. If the struggle does not liberate you, if it doesnt carry that hope, why bother?”


On March 3 and 4, 2011, acclaimed radical feminist theorist Silvia Federici gave two talks in Philadelphia. On the 3rd, she spoke at the Wooden Shoe anarchist bookstore about her book, Caliban and the Witch, on “The True Nature of Capitalism.” That event literally overflowed with an audience eager to connect the pieces of the historical violence against women, and the ongoing crisis of capitalism.
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The next night, on March 4, Silvia spoke at Studio 34 Yoga in West Philly to another packed crowd, on the subject of “Our Struggles, Ourselves: Rethinking Healing Work.” This was a more personal, and in many ways a much deeper talk, which touched on a multitude of subjects from capitalism’s attacks on humanity and the Earth, to how to build self-reproducing movements that avoid the mistakes of past generations.

Today I am posting the audio recording from that amazing event!

One of Silvia’s most powerful insights that continues to work its way through my brain was the distinction between “suffering,” which may be necessary in movement work, and “sacrifice,” which ultimately harms the movement because it harms us as individuals. She makes it clear that there should be no place for sacrifice in a movement for our liberation:

“What do we mean when we say sacrifice? Because, it’s very true, in many ways, when we say, ‘I’m not going to go into this career, and instead I’ll do the struggle. I’ll be poor, but eh!’ It may sound like sacrifice. But I would like to say that it’s not!

[Sacrifice] means that I’m taking away something vital from my life, something that I need, and then give it up for the struggle…

It doesn’t mean that the struggle does not make you suffer. But suffering is not sacrifice. It’s really different. There may be pain that comes too. But maybe it’s a pain that is better than the pain you would have if you didn’t struggle.

Maybe it’s a pain that prevents you from dying. Because we can die from numbness, irrelevance, wasting your life in triviality, despair, inertia, passivity, from giving up whatever creativity you have in yourself. So, sometimes it’s worth suffering not to see that in yourself. But i wouldn’t call that sacrifice.”


I am very proud to post this inspiring discussion, including the Question and Answer period, which we recorded in audio format. There are 2 video recordings which were also made, 1 of each of the talks, and I look forward to making those videos available in the near future. For now, please enjoy the audio!

Silvia Federici MP3

This is a 2-hour recording, so you might want to download it and put it on your mp3 player or computer. There is a LOT here, so it may not be possible to get through it all in one sitting!

Also, here I’ll post some notes I’ve taken while re-listening to Silvia’s talk:

At 4 minutes – How can we build movements of resistance without destroying ourselves? How can we build self-reproducing movements?

5:15 – Thesis: We cannot liberate our individual selves without changing the world. At the same time, we cannot change the world without liberating ourselves.

6:30 – Capitalism has not asserted its hegemony simply through economic and military violence, but also by a massive process of disempowerment, by destroying many of our historical, social and natural powers.

Capitalism’s two-fold process of disempowerment:

Separation of humanity from nature, “de-naturalization” of the body.
Destruction of human communities and relationships with one another, “de-socialization” of society.
Capitalism has destroyed a vast range of knowledges, resistances, needs, desires, in a far more severe way than any other system that preceded it.

13:30 – Our bodies need to encounter the wind, sun, seas, land, plants, etc.

16:00 – Capitalism has broken the patterns of the sun and seasons, and trapped us working indoors in artificial light all year round, without even windows. This is “a daily torture that is part of a whole sea of unhappiness.”

20:30 – Pre-capitalist society: “most activities were collective activities.” Talks about women giving birth, surrounded by other women. A very social experience, in which women were empowered and in control of the process.

21:30 – “There is no returning to the past, there is no idealizing of the past, because in many cases those collective structures were not egalitarian structures.” Nevertheless, it is important to be aware that humans have lived drastically different ways throughout history. We can learn from the past.

27:00 – Most of the important experiences in our lives we now confront alone – birth, death, disease – the situations where we most need to feel connected to other people, are now isolated individual experiences.

31:10 – Many people are even coming to the conclusion that they should be ashamed for experiencing pain and loss.

32:40 – We are losing our sense of ourselves as part of a collective body, a broader community. Along with the loss of connection with the natural world, this helps explain why there is so much unhappiness and anxiety in today’s world.

36:00 – Two pitfalls in organizing:

1) The idea of political work as a form of self-sacrifice, when you subordinate your own desires, needs, energies, creativity, to the realization of a goal that is outside of you. This is what much of political work has traditionally been.

2) When you separate political work from your own day-to-day reproduction. This tends to exclude people from the movement who have illnesses, disabilities, or various traumas, who feel that they can’t keep up.

40:30 – Discussion of the amazing success of ACT UP in combating homophobia and AIDS.

43:00 – “We need to rethink what it means to do political work. We cannot do political work, unless, at the same time, as part of it, we also begin to provide, to take into account the very basic reproductive needs that we have individually, collectively, in our communities.”

46:15 – Q+A begins

50:30 – On self-sacrificing organizing: “The worst thing you can do to yourself is to be alienated in the very process that is supposed to liberate you.”

55:15 – Discussion of the “reproductive commons” – the home, how do we create a different way of reproduction that does not turn us into atomized family units, like a kind of prison? Historically, the home has been the prison where women have been enclosed.

1:01:30 – We need to challenge the dominant ideology that “you have to be self-reliant”, and this whole notion that you cannot depend on others to survive, and to need others is something that degrades you.

1:04:45 – There’s been a growing attack on care work. Cuts to nursing, aides, etc. by the state. Most care workers don’t even have time to have a short conversation with the people they are serving – cannot have a human relationship with them, “even though they are probably desperately alone and needing that more than anything else.”

1:07:15 – “The general devaluation of reproductive work”: Reproductive work is supposed to be strictly functional, subordinate to the process of production for the market, functional of making people capable to market-oriented work and cutting the cost of labor.

1:11:30 – Each of us has to understand where we can contribute best – where you’re most drawn to because of the experiences you have. There is a broad range of struggle. What we are missing today is the connection between different struggles – to go beyond the Enclosures that separate us into different segments of single-issue politics. This is the challenge!

1:17:45 – Discussion of the amazing work of Mujeres Creando, in Bolivia.

1:22:30 – “The scam that is microcredits.” Instead of being an instrument to lift women out of poverty, its an instrument of enslavement because it traps women in debt, and many have committed suicide. Banks humiliate women publicly if they fall into debt.

1:27:00 – “What do we mean when we say sacrifice? Because, it’s very true, in many ways, when we say, ‘I’m not going to go into this career, and instead I’ll do the struggle. I’ll be poor, but eh!’ It may sound like sacrifice. But I would like to say that it’s not! [Sacrifice] means that I’m taking away something vital from my life, something that I need, and then give it up for the struggle.

To me, the struggle is a healing process. If the struggle itself is not a healing process, it’s not worth it! There’s something wrong with it. You struggle because you need to liberate yourself. If the struggle does not liberate you, if it doesnt carry that hope, why bother?

It doesn’t mean that the struggle does not make you suffer. But suffering is not sacrifice. It’s really different. There may be pain that comes too. But maybe it’s a pain that is better than the pain you would have if you didn’t struggle. Maybe it’s a pain that prevents you from dying. Because we can die from numbness, irrelevance, wasting your life in triviality, despair, inertia, passivity, from giving up whatever creativity you have in yourself. So, sometimes it’s worth suffering not to see that in yourself. But i wouldn’t call that sacrifice.”

1:29:30 – As a rule, the struggle must be in itself a reward. Otherwise you need to rethink it. Maybe you’re doing something wrong. I’ve gone through periods in my life where one more meeting and i would have cried. And i paid a price for it.

1:35:30 – Many younger women now are rethinking feminism, which they first rejected because it was institutionalized and for what it has become. Many are now discovering in their own lives some dynamics of sexism, but without the broad networks of support and discussion that existed in the 70s. What does feminism mean today?

1:43:40 – The struggle around student debt, education, teaching – the closing of schools, funding, the attack on teachers, is a “major attack on reproduction”. This is an attack on the future. Student debt is a form of slavery, a tremendous discipline that shapes the decisions people make about their careers and lives.

1:48:00 – Discussion of the accomplishments of the anti-globalization movement of the early 2000s.

1:50:45 – On electoral politics: The movement periodically gives up its power to electoral campaigns, to the state. We have a continuous ritual of disaccumulation of knowledge, energies, possibilities, and revolutionary potential every time an election comes around. We had a lot of energy in the end of the Bush era, which seems to have dissipated now.

1:51:55 – On historical memory: It’s absolutely necessary for us to hand down our stories to the next generations of organizers.

Thanks for listening / reading! Thanks to scott for uploading, and sarah for recording.

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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby Searcher08 » Sun Sep 01, 2013 7:09 am



I would have thought on a board like this that anti-Semitism would come up not infrequently; however you reference it way more than anyone else (I posted search stats previously) and seriously, Icke et al would be nowhere near as referenced as he is without you turning most of distantly connected threads into Icke-bunfights.

You assume that because many people here consider your 'anti-Icke' case as weak as homeopathic strength tea and then dispute and actively fight a lot of stuff you post about it , that those same people are members of the Icke fan club and look under the bed for lizards and have libraries of his books and are seekrit St0rmfr3nt members (I'm being deliberately hyperbolic, but I'm sure you get my drift.

Your case that there is nothing worth investigating and exploring around the Rothschilds comes down to bullhorning "it's all anti-Semitism", or that "they are no different from <insert rich family here>" or these "skeptics agree with me <insert pseudoskeptic article>".

As I said before, Icke was discussed in a civil forthright way on RI before this, with multiple views cleanly expressed in a few pages. Now, every thread which touches ground from Zeitgeist to the Rothschilds seems to be get the same treatment in a pretty focused way.

It's like saying "Heinlein is a fascist shit because Asimov says so".
If I say "Asimov was a wanker and his argument sucks",
you are replying "See, you are a Heinlein apologist!! Im not calling you a fascist personally, but you are being an apologist for one!"

Actually I much prefer Herbert, thank you very much.
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby coffin_dodger » Sun Sep 01, 2013 7:35 am

Wombaticus Rex » Sun Sep 01, 2013 1:25 am wrote:
However, these things aren’t the result of a plot of a small group of evil men. The fact is that capitalism is a self-sustaining economic system with a life of its own. It doesn’t really matter who is at the top as long as somebody is. People find it hard to grasp the reality of the way our economic and social system works, because it’s complex and hard to understand. Put simply, capitalists don’t want to just get rich and sit back. They want to find ways they can invest profits to create more profits and keep the economy growing. That’s the driving force, not the evil desires of a small group of men. But it’s hard to get your head round that, and many people find it much easier to blame an identifiable group they can easily conceptualise, like Jews.


Does anyone else find this pretty circular? Things aren't the result of a plot because it doesn't matter who is involved with the plot -- and the conclusion I'm supposed to take away is that there is no plot?

I also love the smarmy transition from "it's complex and hard to understand" to "Put simply..."

That essay was just as shitty as anything on Rense.


Yep, but the more the scales fall from - and the wider the eyes open - it becomes incrementally apparant that pretty much all the current paradigms we operate under are circular. Which leads one to question - who are the designers? It's too highly articulated and solidly implemented to be a chance or random occurance, or 'just a system working as it should'. Once the basic outline is detected by the no-longer-immersed observer, the synchronicities just keep on popping up. Personally, I find it liberating and exhilirating. But I am not supposed to. I wonder why? To know how your opponent thinks is to know what he will do next - and we are starting to understand the measure of the opponent. The premise and OP of this thread itself is pure, current system-paradigm meme propoganda - bait and switch - lure the believers in with a consensual bait headline, then lecture them in how ridiculous they are for thinking like they do. But it's all starting to look a bit shaky - and I fear for what actions a cornered secret would find justifiable in pursuit of it's continued existence.
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby American Dream » Sun Sep 01, 2013 7:45 am

It's too highly articulated and solidly implemented to be a chance or random occurance, or 'just a system working as it should'


If you're suggesting that the premise that all of Society has been designed and controlled by one centralized, ancient, monolithic (and I guess highly intelligent?) conspiracy should just be assumed a priori, well what is your best evidence to justify such a claim? If I'm misunderstanding you, then what is your claim and what is your best evidence for it?
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby seemslikeadream » Sun Sep 01, 2013 7:49 am

Fukushima's Radioactive Plume to Reach U.S. by 2014
Sep 1, 2013 07:00 AM ET // by Jeremy Hsu, LiveScience.com


A radioactive plume of water in the Pacific Ocean from Japan's Fukushima nuclear plant, which was crippled in the 2011 earthquake and tsunami, will likely reach U.S. coastal waters starting in 2014, according to a new study. The long journey of the radioactive particles could help researchers better understand how the ocean’s currents circulate around the world.

Ocean simulations showed that the plume of radioactive cesium-137 released by the Fukushima disaster in 2011 could begin flowing into U.S. coastal waters starting in early 2014 and peak in 2016. Luckily, two ocean currents off the eastern coast of Japan — the Kuroshio Current and the Kuroshio Extension — would have diluted the radioactive material so that its concentration fell well below the World Health Organization’s safety levels within four months of the Fukushima incident. But it could have been a different story if nuclear disaster struck on the other side of Japan.

“The environmental impact could have been worse if the contaminated water would have been released in another oceanic environment in which the circulation was less energetic and turbulent,” said Vincent Rossi, an oceanographer and postdoctoral research fellow at the Institute for Cross-Disciplinary Physics and Complex Systems in Spain.
VIDEO: Tsunami Warning Center Uses Top Technology

Fukushima’s radioactive water release has taken its time journeying across the Pacific. By comparison, atmospheric radiation from the Fukushima plant began reaching the U.S. West Coast within just days of the disaster back in 2011. (Fukushima Radiation Leak: 5 Things You Should Know)

Tracking radioactivity’s path

The radioactive plume has three different sources: radioactive particles falling out from the atmosphere into the ocean, contaminated water directly released from the plant, and water that became contaminated by leaching radioactive particles from tainted soil.
PHOTOS: The Lost Pets of Fukushima

The release of cesium-137 from Fukushima in Japan’s more turbulent eastern currents means the radioactive material is diluted to the point of posing little threat to humans by the time it leaves Japan’s coastal waters. Rossi worked with former colleagues at the Climate Change Research Centre at the University of New South Wales in Australia to simulate the spread of Fukushima’s radioactivity in the oceans —--dy detailed in the October issue of the journal Deep-Sea Research Part 1.

Researchers averaged 27 experimental runs of their model -- each run starting in a different year -- to ensure that the simulated spread of the cesium-137 as a "tracer" was not unusually affected by initial ocean conditions. Many oceanographers studying the ocean’s currents prefer using cesium-137 to track the ocean currents because it acts as a passive tracer in seawater, meaning it doesn't interact much with other things, and decays slowly with a long half-life of 30 years.


oops posted in the wrong thread ...or maybe not :shrug:

pardon me for thinking and posting about something extremely important instead of crap

but do go on AD we love listening to broken records of diversionary tactics
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby coffin_dodger » Sun Sep 01, 2013 8:25 am

American Dream » Sun Sep 01, 2013 12:45 pm wrote:
It's too highly articulated and solidly implemented to be a chance or random occurance, or 'just a system working as it should'


If you're suggesting that the premise that all of Society has been designed and controlled by one centralized, ancient, monolithic (and I guess highly intelligent?) conspiracy should just be assumed a priori, well what is your best evidence to justify such a claim? If I'm misunderstanding you, then what is your claim and what is your best evidence for it?


Take a look at the world outside your own, AD. Take a look at what's being done in your name, by your power structure. The symptoms are multitudinous and many (if not all) are covered elsewhere on thousands of threads on this site. Insistance of non-existance does not always equal reality. I reserve the right to see things differently from you and don't want to get into another circular discussion, full of differing and colliding perspectives that are never going to meet amicably. When I see what I consider to be system-generated memes such as the OP posted, I will continue to comment on their veracity from my perspective. I'm not here to be educated by current thinking. Enjoy your victory.
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby Searcher08 » Sun Sep 01, 2013 8:44 am

American Dream » Sun Sep 01, 2013 11:45 am wrote:
It's too highly articulated and solidly implemented to be a chance or random occurance, or 'just a system working as it should'


If you're suggesting that the premise that all of Society has been designed and controlled by one centralized, ancient, monolithic (and I guess highly intelligent?) conspiracy should just be assumed a priori, well what is your best evidence to justify such a claim? If I'm misunderstanding you, then what is your claim and what is your best evidence for it?


The language of "claim and evidence" itself is very adversarial and follows on from 'resting your case'.
If you are demanding evidence, it is up to you to state what constitutes evidence..

What would constitute evidence to you?

I proffered research which indicates that 4 companies control 147 companies at the heart of the whole global financial system; one of (and arguably the most powerful) has direct Rothschild and Bildeberg connections.

I put forward dunwalke.com which was written from a Wall Street investment banker managing director.

I look forward to your rebuttal
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