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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby 8bitagent » Mon Sep 02, 2013 8:47 pm

So did anyone see Glenn Beck's piece the other night? Probably the most horrifying video footage ever shown on tv. I have to agree, if *that* is suppose to be the "good guys" we're supporting over there, good god.
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby conniption » Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:46 pm

Who Is Really Behind the Syrian War?

50:09 min
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Published on Aug 30, 2013

SHOW NOTES AND MP3: http://www.corbettreport.com/?p=7893

Given that the pretext for attacking Syria is falling apart before the public's eyes, why is the US preparing to wage war on that country? Who benefits from the ongoing destabilization of Assad's government? What will the Middle East look like if the Sunnis take over Syria? What is Israel's role in this? What do Turkey, Qatar and Saudi Arabia have to gain from a war in Syria? And what does Bandar Bush have to do with all of this? Join us today on The Corbett Report as we discuss these and other pressing issues as the world stands on the brink of yet another US-led Middle Eastern military adventure.
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby conniption » Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:51 pm

UK Column Live - 2nd September 2013

46:30 min
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby Luther Blissett » Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:45 am

The high school that I went to had a large proportion of Syrian and Syrian-American students, and a number of my schoolmates have been posting a link to this article today. It's rt.com, so I can't vouch for the veracity of the information, but it claims that the FBI will be interviewing, and paying close attention to people who have contact with Syrians "as was done before the campaigns in Iraq and Libya". Most of my schoolmates have cousins who still live in Syria, and somewhat naturally, their fears tend towards the internment camps for the Japanese.

I keep wanting to get information and opinion from any of their families inside the border, but I can't find any way to do this in a polite manner.
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby conniption » Tue Sep 03, 2013 1:06 am

Axis of Logic

Call to Action: Mass Demonstration at the Capitol!
Saturday, Sept. 7, 12 Noon Tell Congress: Vote 'No War on Syria!'


By A.N.S.W.E.R. Coalition and Axis of Logic

Sunday, Sep 1, 2013

Axis of Logic: We are well aware of the sense of helplessness in the United States felt by people regarding protests and letters to Washington. Those feelings of futility are understandable considering how the regime has suppressed and controlled anti-war protests in the past and how politicians ignore letters from their constituents. However, this time may be different.
With ...

1. only 9 percent of US people supporting an attack on Syria and the vast majority opposed - and

2. after the vote to reject Cameron's push for war by their peers in the UK Parliament this week and

3. mid-term elections coming next year ...

See: United States: Authorization To Attack Syria May Face Trouble In The House
Members of the US Congress may be rethinking their positions. It's the right time to put pressure on them and we urge all those who are able to join in this resistance movement. ANSWER has made it simple and easy (below) to find addresses and send letters to congressional representatives in your state. Also times and locations of local protests near you are provided. For all those who are able, please join with other like-minded citizens in the March on Washington DC next Saturday, September 7, 2013. You'll be uplifted by the energy of thousands of others, encourage the others and look back with pride that you let your voice be heard.
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Mass Demonstration at the Capitol!
Saturday, Sept. 7, 12 Noon
Tell Congress: Vote 'No War on Syria!'


Time is of the essence. We have been in the streets all over the country. The opposition to a new war is everywhere. This forced the administration to step back from imminent bombings.

But the danger also exists for an even larger war against Syria as Obama seeks to make a deal with right-wing hawks like John McCain, Lindsey Graham and others.

Now is the time for the people to step up pressure on Congress and demand that they vote NO to any resolution authorizing a military attack on Syria.

On Saturday, September 7, people are descending on Congress for a major demonstration as Congress returns to Washington, D.C., and prepares to vote. This demonstration is initiated by a broad ad hoc coalition called the Vote No War Against Syria Coalition. If you or your organization would like to be an endorser of the Sept. 7 demonstration, email -

mailto:votenowaronsyria@yahoo.com .

Those who can will stay over in Washington for daily demonstrations, and to maintain a round-the-clock visible anti-war presence at the U.S. Capitol building beginning Saturday, September 7 and continuing daily as Congress meets to take up and vote on the resolution.

Read the full Call to Action

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Letter-writing campaign: Send an email letter right now to your elected representatives in Congress demanding that they vote NO on the Syria war resolution.

Local protests continuing: See a list of demonstrations around the country!

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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby coffin_dodger » Tue Sep 03, 2013 3:45 am

fwiw:

I've hacked colonel Anthony Jamie MacDonald mail he is intelligence US Army Staff boss. First I hacked his Link3dIn account and got access to his mail through it then.

Among mail Mayhem like Amazon mails I've found his correspondence with his colleague Eugene Furst. He congratulates Col. with success and gives a link to the Washington Post publication about chemical attack in Syria on August 21. Furst also mentions it was “well staged”. Holy shit. I was shocked my eyes refused to believe it. Bloody bastards they “staged” a chemical attack.

Then a friend of Anthony MacDonald's wife Jennifer writes she was shocked seeing on TV the children died after chemical attack in Syria. Jennifer answers she saw the story but Tony calm her down saying children were alive and the scene was staged.

Two best mails I uploaded here

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3g8rt2l3do33pgr/the-best.rar
http://www.mediafire.com/download/k3dym ... e-best.rar
http://depositfiles.com/files/30qx9o4wc

Here you can download MacDonald's mail

https://www.dropbox.com/s/736xsoir8pjnc ... s-l3ak.rar
http://depositfiles.com/files/se09lc29f
http://www.mediafire.com/download/p03yw ... s-l3ak.rar

Here is his wife's correspondence

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8jeqc5lm8w720kb/mary-leak.rar
http://www.mediafire.com/download/tq38h ... y-leak.rar
http://depositfiles.com/files/vjucpz9el

I also hacked other Pentagon officers' mail boxes:

Evans, Anthony O COL USARMY HQDA ASA ALT (US)
Sims, John D COL USARMY HQDA OCPA (US)
Griffith, David M COL USARMY (US)
Bell, Craig A COL USARMY (US)
Parramore, David J (Dave) COL USARMY MEDCOM HQ (US)
Morris, Daniel L COL USARMY (US)
Ellison, Brenda K COL USARMY (US)
Jennings, Wesley J COL USARMY HQDA DCS G-8 (US)
Eberle, Brian K COL USARMY HQDA DCS G-3-5-7 (US)
Bradsher, John M COL USARMY (US)
Fish, Charles A COL USARMY JS J8 (US)
Roquemore, Darlene M COL USAF (US)
Mott, Robert L Jr COL USARMY HQDA OTSG (US)
Parramore, David J (Dave) COL USARMY MEDCOM HQ (US)
Weeks, Colin A LTC USARMY (US)
Reynolds, M Bridget LTC USARMY HQDA DCS G-2 (US)
Grahek, Christopher J LTC USARMY HQDA OTSG (US)
Henderson, Valerie D LTC USARMY HQDA OCPA (US)

I've no time to look through all their mails. A lot of shit to be sure there.
I will upload their correspondence later.

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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby conniption » Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:23 am

Esquire

Sep 2, 2013

Today In The March To Semi-War

By Charles P. Pierce at 3:55PM

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The president had Senator Angry Grampy and Senator Huckleberry, the presiding geopolitical thinkers in the World's Greatest Deliberative Body, over today to discuss Syria, and to give them the opportunity to stand on the White House lawn afterwards and call him a dithering dilettante whom they will support if he stops his dithering and his dilettanting and give them the Great Big Boom Boom in Syria that they want. You could tell it was serious because Angry Grampy said that, if Syria didn't matter now, then "Czechoslovakia" didn't matter in the 1930s, nor did "Abyssynia," also in the 1930s, and he was not immediately set upon by hordes of angry historians. Senator Huckleberry was more concerned about Iran than he was about any impromptu performance from Bad Historical Analogy Theater.

But the both of them continue to insist that there is one Syrian "opposition" for us to back and that, once we back that opposition, and it wins, there will be an outcome assuredly to our liking. This is not something I believe, and I don't think the president believes it, either, and I think he knows what these two comedians will be saying if Assad is overthrown and an Islamist-friendly government comes to power out of the chaos. (Hint: the phrase "missed opportunity" will fly more often than will the phrase, "We miscalculated.") Their other point was that the president has to, you know, lead, the way Senator Angry Grampy would be leading, right there with Vice-President Princess Dumbass Of The Northwoods, had we been smart and elected him in 2008. Or else...Abyssinia!

Nice of you to stop by, boys.

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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby Ben D » Tue Sep 03, 2013 6:44 am

http://news.yahoo.com/russian-reports-2-missiles-fired-mediterranean-095508772.html

No missile strike on Damascus after ballistic launches - RIA


MOSCOW | Tue Sep 3, 2013 10:56am BST
(Reuters) - Russian radar detected the launch of two ballistic "objects" in the Mediterranean Sea on Tuesday but there was no sign of a missile strike on the Syrian capital Damascus, Russia's state-run RIA news agency said.

A Defence Ministry spokesman told Russian news agencies the launch was detected at 10:16 am Moscow time (616 GMT / 7:16 a.m. BST) by an early warning radar station at Armavir, near the Black Sea, which is designed to detect missiles from Europe and Iran.

"The trajectory of these objects goes from the central part of the Mediterranean Sea toward the eastern part of the Mediterranean coast," Interfax news agency quoted the spokesman as saying.

The spokesman did not say who had carried out the launch and whether any impact had been detected, but RIA later quoted a source in Syria's "state structures" as saying the objects had fallen harmlessly into the sea.

The Russian Defence Ministry declined comment to Reuters.

The Russian Embassy in Syria said there were no signs of a missile attack or explosions in Damascus, state-run Itar-Tass reported.

Israel said it was unaware of any ballistic missile launch being conducted in the eastern Mediterranean.

"We are not aware, at this time, of such an event having occurred," a military spokeswoman in Jerusalem said.

Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu had informed President Vladimir Putin of the launch.

Russia opposes any outside military intervention in the Syrian civil war, and a Defence Ministry official had earlier criticised the United States for deploying warships in the Mediterranean close to Syria.

The United States has been preparing for a possible military strike in Syria following what it says was a chemical weapons attack by Syrian government forces. Damascus denies carrying out such an attack.
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby Ben D » Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:00 am

Is this brinkmanship or what?

My guess is that these launches were to cause the Syrian anti-missile defence system to 'light up' in order for their radiation frequency signatures to be determined for possible future jamming?

http://rt.com/news/ballistic-launch-eastern-mediterranean-343/

Israel claims joint US missile launch in Mediterranean for 'target practice'

Published time: September 03, 2013 09:03
Edited time: September 03, 2013 10:34

Russia’s early warning radars detected the launch of two ballistic rockets in the eastern Mediterranean Sea, Russia’s Defense Ministry stated. Israel later claimed responsibility for firing the target test rockets.

The launch took place at 06:16 GMT Tuesday, according to Russia's Ministry of Defense.

The trajectory of the missiles is reported to have been from the central part of the Mediterranean Sea towards the eastern landmass. Both rockets have allegedly fallen into the sea, RIA Novosti news agency reported.

Russia’s President Putin has already been informed about the incident by Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu.
The Syrian embassy in Moscow currently has no information on the incident.

There were no rocket attack signals or blasts in Damascus, the Russian embassy in Syria noted.

Syria’s missile warning system has not detected any rockets landing on their territory, a Syrian security source told Lebanese channel al-Manar TV.

Initially, the Israeli military apparently had no data on the launch either. However, later Israel claimed a joint missile launch with the US in the Mediterranean Sea.

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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby coffin_dodger » Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:14 am

Some Iranian perspective: http://en.alalam.ir

Some Syrian perspective - warning, ocassional graphic pictures - http://syrianperspective.blogspot.co.uk/
(also contains descriptions such as: ALGERIAN SCARAB PUS DROPLET, SAUDI APE VOMIT, PALESTINIAN WHORE SON AND SNAKE PUSTULE, CHECHEN WART SUCKER, IRAQI INTESTINAL EXCRESCENCE etc)

edited to add highly descriptive names which made me chuckle
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby parel » Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:17 am

Angry anti-war protesters besiege John Kerry’s home, banging on doors, windows

September 2, 2013

On Sunday, anti-war protestors protested the anti-war protestor, and with that, as Shakespeare once said, “the wheel is come full circle.”

In the aftermath of Secretary of State John Kerry making a forceful case on Friday for U.S. military intervention in Syria, protesters assembled outside his townhouse on Beacon Hill.

Yes, the Vietnam veteran who became a leading anti-war activist after serving is now advocating for war.

According to Twitter users, as Twitchy reported, protesters pounded on Kerry’s front door and windows, but he wasn’t home. Of course, past precedent tells us if there is a crisis at hand, Kerry’s likely to be found aboard his 76-foot yacht, the “Isabel.”

Some images from Sunday’s protest, courtesy of Twitchy:
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Should U.S. strike Syria for (allegedly) using chemical weapons?
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Sir! No Sir!

Postby IanEye » Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:46 am



"I did not join the military to get involved in other countries' civil wars."

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_of_Korea

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Conference_(1954)

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Grenada

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http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa092801a.htm

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_war_in_Iraq

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i have been having fun all weekend on facebook with that photo and others like it, just by mentioning the links above.
it has been enjoyable watching friends on facebook have to immediately backtrack and twist themselves in knots.

"But, but, but, those were good civil wars!"
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Re: Sir! No Sir!

Postby 8bitagent » Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:00 pm

IanEye » Tue Sep 03, 2013 10:46 am wrote:


"I did not join the military to get involved in other countries' civil wars."

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i have been having fun all weekend on facebook with that photo and others like it, just by mentioning the links above.
it has been enjoyable watching friends on facebook have to immediately backtrack and twist themselves in knots.

"But, but, but, those were good civil wars!"



What kind of friends ya got there? Even my most right wing 'friends' realize Iraq was horrible and are deadset against the Syrian war. Im glad this one issue of Syria is in some ways bringing different sides together.
I can't get over the devastation in Homs, Demascaus, Aleppo, and all over and the death toll. Very sad. How did this war start? Rebels wanting to overthrow the government or peaceful protestors being gunned down? At this point I can't remember
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby elfismiles » Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:08 pm

How Intelligence Was Twisted to Support an Attack on Syria
Tuesday, 03 September 2013 09:05 By Gareth Porter, Truthout | News

Secretary of State John Kerry assured the public that the Obama administration's summary of the intelligence on which it is basing the case for military action to punish the Assad regime for an alleged use of chemical weapons was put together with an acute awareness of the fiasco of the 2002 Iraq WMD intelligence estimate.

Nevertheless, the unclassified summary of the intelligence assessment made public August 30, 2013, utilizes misleading language evocative of the infamous Iraq estimate's deceptive phrasing. The summary cites signals, geospatial and human source intelligence that purportedly show that the Syrian government prepared, carried out and "confirmed" a chemical weapons attack on August 21. And it claims visual evidence "consistent with" a nerve gas attack.

But a careful examination of those claims reveals a series of convolutedly worded characterizations of the intelligence that don't really mean what they appear to say at first glance.

The document displays multiple indications that the integrity of the assessment process was seriously compromised by using language that distorted the intelligence in ways that would justify an attack on Syria.

Spinning the Secret Intelligence

That pattern was particularly clear in the case of the intelligence gathered by covert means. The summary claims, "We intercepted communications involving a senior official intimately familiar with the offensive who confirmed that chemical weapons were used by the regime on August 21 and was concerned with the U.N. inspectors obtaining evidence."

That seems to indicate that U.S. intelligence intercepted such communiations. But former British Ambassador Craig Murray has pointed out on his blog August 31 that the Mount Troodos listening post in Cyprus is used by British and U.S. intelligence to monitor “all radio, satellite and microwave traffic across the Middle East … ” and that “almost all landline telephone communications in this region is routed through microwave links at some stage [and] picked up on Troodos.”

All intelligence picked by the Troodos listening post is shared between the U.S. and British intelligence, Murray wrote, but no commmunictions such as the ones described in the U.S. intelligence summary were shared with the British Joint Intelligence Organisation. Murray said a personal contact in U.S. intelligence had told him the reason was that the purported intercept came from the Israelis. The Israeli origin of the intelligence was reported in the U.S. press as well, because an Israeli source apparently leaked it to a German magazine.

The clumsy attempt to pass off intelligence claimed dubiously by the Israelis as a U.S. intercept raises a major question about the integrity of the entire document. The Israelis have an interest in promoting a U.S. attack on Syria, and the authenticity of the alleged intercept cannot be assumed. Murray believes that it is fraudulent.

But even if the intercept is authentic, the description of it in the intelligence summary appears to be misleading. Another description of the same intercept leaked to The Cable by an administration official suggests that the summary’s description is extremely tendentious. The story described those same communications as an exchange of "panicked phone calls" between a Syrian Defense Ministry official and someone in a chemical weapons unit in which the defense ministry official was "demanding answers for [about?] a nerve agent strike." That description clearly suggests that the Syrian senior official's questions were prompted by the charges being made on August 21 by opposition sources in Ghouta. The use of the word "panicked", which slants the interpretation made by readers of the document, may have been added later by an official eager to make the story more compatible with the administration’s policy.

But the main problem with the description is that it doesn't answer the most obvious and important question about the conversation: Did the purported chemical weapons officer at the other end of the line say that the regime had used chemical weapons or not? If the officer said that such weapons had been used, that would obviously have been the primary point of the report of the intercept. But the summary assessment does not say that, so the reader can reasonably infer that the officer did not make any such admission. The significance of the intercept is, therefore, that an admission of chemicals weapons use was not made.

The carefully chosen wording of the summary - the ministry official was "concerned with the U.N. inspectors obtaining evidence" - suggests that the official wanted to make sure that UN inspectors would not find evidence of a nerve gas attack. But it could also mean precisely the opposite - that the official wanted the inspectors to be able ascertain that there was no use of chemical weapons by Syrian forces in eastern Ghouta. The latter possibility is bolstered by the fact that the regime agreed within 24 hours of the first formal request on August 24 from UN envoy Angela Kane for unimpeded access to eastern Ghouta. As late as Friday, August 23, the UN Department of Safety and Security had not yet decided to give permission to the UN investigators to go into the area because of uncertainties about their safety.

The intelligence summary makes no effort to explain why the regime promptly granted access to the investigators. Another anomaly: the fact that the UN investigators were already present in Damascus, having been initially requested by the Assad regime to look into a gas attack the regime had charged was carried out by the rebels on March 19. The two-page assessment by the British Joint Intelligence Organisation released August 29, pointed to this question:"There is no obvious political or military trigger," it said, "for regime use of Chemical War on an apparently larger scale now, particularly given the current presence of the UN investigating team."

Another obvious case of a misleading description of intelligence in the summary involves information from US geospatial and signals intelligence purporting to show that the Assad regime was preparing for a chemical attack in the three days prior to August 21. The intelligence summary describes the intelligence as follows: "Syrian chemical weapons personnel were operating in the Damascus suburb of Adra from Sunday, August 18 until early in the morning on Wednesday, August 21 near an area that the regime uses to mix chemical weapons, including sarin."

That seems like damning evidence at first glance. However, despite the use of the term "operating," the US intelligence had no information about the actual activities of the individual or individuals being tracked through geospatial and signals intelligence. When administration officials leaked the information to CBS news last week, they conceded that the presence of the individual being tracked in the area in question had been viewed at the time as "nothing out of the ordinary."

Yet, after the August 21 event, the same information was suddenly transformed into "evidence" that supports the official line. The summary refers to "streams of human signals and geospatial intelligence that revealed regime activities that we assessed were associated with preparations for a chemical attack." Thus the same information that provided no indication of "preparations" was now presented as though it included knowledge of some "activities" somehow related to getting ready for chemical warfare.

A third piece of intelligence cited in the summary - unsourced but presumably from an intelligence agent – might seem to denote the intent to carry out a chemical weapons attack. However, the wording is slippery. "On August 21," the document says, "a Syrian regime element prepared for a chemical weapons attack in the Damascus area, including through the utilization of gas masks." That intelligence, if accurate, doesn’t establish an intent by the government to carry out an attack; it could conversely suggest the government’s anticipation of a chemical attack by the rebels. The intelligence's language is ambiguous; it contains no certainty that the chemical weapons attack for which the regime was preparing was one it intended to initiate itself.

Behind the Uncertainty on "Nerve Gas"

The intelligence summary includes a notable indication that the intelligence community was far from convinced that nerve gas had been used August 21.

The summary said the intelligence community had "high confidence" that the government had carried out a "chemical weapons attack," and added, "We further assess that the regime used a nerve agent in the attack." The fact that a separate sentence was used to characterize the assessment of the nerve agent issue and that it did not indicate any level of confidence is a signal that the intelligence community does not have much confidence in the assessment that nerve gas was used, according to a former senior US intelligence official who insisted on anonymity. The former official told Truthout that the choice of wording actually means the intelligence analysts "do not know" if nerve gas was used.

The summary includes yet another sign of the analysts' lack of confidence that nerve gas was used, which was equally well-disguised. "We have identified one hundred videos attributed to the attack," it said, "many of which show large numbers of bodies exhibiting physical signs consistent with, but not unique to, nerve agent exposure." Unless it is read carefully, the use of the word "bodies" - meaning corpses - instead of "victims" might be missed. But why would the intelligence community be focused on how many "bodies" – meaning corpses – exhibit particular "physical signs" when the far more relevant indicator of nerve gas would the number of "victims" exhibiting certain symptoms?

That strange choice averts acknowledgement of a fundamental problem for the intelligence community: Most of the alleged victims being shown in the videos posted online do not show symptoms associated with exposure to nerve agent. Corpses without any sign of wounds, on the other hand, would be "consistent" with a nerve agent attack.

The symptoms of a nerve agent attack are clear-cut: Soon after initial symptoms of tightness of chest, pinpoint pupils and running nose, the victim begins to vomit and to defecate and urinate uncontrollably, followed by twitching and jerking. Ultimately, the victim becomes comatose and suffocates in a series of convulsive spasms. The symptoms shown in dozens of videos of victims being treated in medical centers in Ghouta, however, are quite different. In an interview with Truthout, Dan Kaszeta, a specialist on chemical, biological and radiological weapons who has advised the White House on those issues, pointed out that a nerve gas attack would have been accompanied by a pattern of symptoms that are not shown in the videos posted online. "There should be more or less universal vomiting," Kaszeta said. But he did not see any vomiting or evidence of such vomiting on the clothing or on the floor in any of the videos he saw. Stephen G. Johnson, a chemical weapons forensics expert at Cranfield University in the United Kingdom, noticed the same thing. "Why aren't more people vomiting?" he asked Truthout in an interview.

A number of specialists, including Kaszeta and Johnson, also noticed that personnel were shown handling the victims without any special protective clothing but not exhibiting any symptoms themselves. Paula Vanninen, director of the Finnish Institute for Verification of Chemical Weapons, and Gwynn Winfield, the editor of CBRNe World, a magazine specializing in chemical weapons, made the same point in interviews with AFP on August 21. The only evidence of such effects is secondhand at best: Statements issued the following day by both the spokesman for the Supreme Military Council of the Free Syrian Army, Khaled Saleh, and the spokesman for its Washington, DC, arm, the Syrian Support Group, said that doctors and "first responders" had reported that they were suffering symptoms of neurotoxic poisoning. Saleh claimed that at least six doctors had died.

Experts noticed yet another anomaly: The number of those treated who survived far outnumbered the dead, contrary to what would be expected in a nerve gas attack. Dr. Ghazwan Bwidany told CBS news August 24 that his mobile medical unit had treated 900 people after the attack and that 70 had died. Medecins Sans Frontieres reported that 3,600 patients had been treated at hospitals in the area of the attack and that 355 had died. Such ratios of survivors to dead were the opposite of what chemical weapons specialists would have expected from a nerve gas attack. Kaszeta told Truthout that the "most nagging doubt" he had about the assumption that a nerve gas attack had taken place is the roughly 10-to-1 ratio of total number treated to the dead. "The proportions are all wrong," he said. "There should be more dead people." Johnson agreed. In an actual nerve gas attack, he said, "You'd get some survivors, but it would be very low. This [is] a very low level of lethality."

These multiple anomalies prompted some specialists to come up with the theory that the government had somehow diluted the nerve gas to make it less detectable and thus made it less lethal. Hamish de Bretton-Gordon, a former commander of the chemical biological and nuclear terrorism unit in the UK Ministry of Defense, told USA Today August 23 that the absence of symptoms associated with nerve gas attack might be explainable by a "low dose" chemical weapons attack.

Three days later, Winfield wrote in an article for CNN that the symptoms seen in the videos indicated "lower toxicity" than was associated with nerve agents. Winfield suggested that nerve agent might have been mixed with other substances that were likely to remain in the environment longer than a nerve agent such as sarin.

But Kaszeta cast doubt on the idea of a "low dose" nerve agent being used. In an interview with blogger Eliot Higgins, who specializes in weapons associated with the Syrian conflict under the name Brown Moses, he said, "There's not much leeway between the incapacitating doses and lethal doses with Sarin." The concentration causing any symptoms at all, he said, "would quickly lead to absorption of a lethal dose."

Case Not Closed

If it wasn't a nerve gas attack, then, what other chemical weapon could have produced the symptoms exhibited in the videos? In an analysis on the Strongpoint Security website, Kaszeta considered each known type of chemical weapon in turn and concluded that the symptoms exhibited in the videos were not consistent with those associated with any of them. And as Kaszeta told the Israeli daily Ha'aretz, the fact that none of the people treating casualties were suffering obvious symptoms "would seem to rule out most types of military-grade chemical weapons. … "

Instead of addressing the issue, the intelligence community opted to accept information about the numbers and the cause of death provided by sources that were presumably subject to the influence of opposition forces in the area. The intelligence summary cites a "preliminary U.S. government assessment" that 1,429 people were killed by chemical weapons, including "at least 426 children." It provides no indication of how the analysts arrived at such a precise estimate, which is highly unusual for an intelligence assessment. The normal practice in arriving at such an estimate is to give a range of figures reflecting different data sources as well as assumptions.

The intelligence community's main center for analyzing all issues relating to weapons of mass destruction is the CIA's Office of Weapons Intelligence, Nonproliferation and Arms Control (WINPAC) Center. It is the same center that tilted the 2002 Iraq estimate toward conclusions that were not supported by technical facts. As the Robb-Silverman report on the Iraq WMD intelligence fiasco pointed out, intelligence analysts at WINPAC explained to the staff privately that they had reversed the normal intelligence analysis burden of proof and operated on the assumption that Iraq did have WMD programs.

That dynamic seems to have re-emerged in the case of Syrian chemical weapons, especially with the appearance of hundreds of videos containing highly emotive scenes of children suffering and, in many cases, already having died. The contradiction between the emotionally charged visual evidence and the technical analysis by chemical weapons specialists, however, poses an unresolved issue. The uncertainty about what actually happened on August 21 can be resolved only on the basis of actual blood samples from victims who have been gathered by the UN inspectors and are now being analyzed in European laboratories.

Both Médecins Sans Frontières and Human Rights Watch issued statements citing statistics and descriptions of symptoms provided by local medical personnel and, in the case of Human Rights Watch, local activists and other contacts. However Human Rights Watch acting Middle East Director Joe Stork stated, "The only way to find out what really happened in Ghouta is let the UN inspectors in."



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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

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8/30/13 Pepe Escobar

Globetrotting Asia Times journalist Pepe Escobar discusses his recent article “‘War on chemical weapons’: Obama traps himself into Syrian combat;” Secretary of State John Kerry’s “Colin Powell moment;” the folly of Obama’s “red line” on chemical weapon use in Syria; why incompetent National Security Advisor Susan Rice should have been fired long ago; and why Saudi Prince “Bandar Bush” may be responsible for supplying Syria’s rebels with chemical weapons.

http://scotthorton.org/2013/08/30/83013-pepe-escobar/
http://rt.com/op-edge/war-chemical-weap ... syria-120/

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