Hell no, I ain't paying another $300 a month (ACA)

[justdrew]

the only hope is the travisty of it all will force single-payer and bring a lot of other reforms. Like rational nation-wide allocation of capital equipment, etc

[82_28]

Well, seeing I have absolutely no education, other than the fact I do, but have preferred to do different things as opposed to others, in interest of my motherfucking sanity. Yes, sweet, you were able to make out a single male, making around 55k. All this a given, This still does not exonerate from question and consideration the FACT you are mandated to pay some monthly amount for the rest of your life. It creates new conundrums in which to insert non-commonsense into. I blame it on my lack of education and Tier of Health Coverage. I'm gonna go with Silver, Brad. How about you?

Bro, I am educated and spend as much as I can to do so educating myself each and every day of my life. Whether it be real life, online life and writing, I am up to speed.

ACA is a scam.

[Iamwhomiam]

I suppose for those working with substantial or average incomes find this very affordable.

Workers' Compensation disability in most states today have sunsets, meaning you are only eligible for benefits for a fixed time period. I was injured when there was no sunset and my work related injury, (I broke my back), will be covered for the rest of my life. Being disabled, only treatments related to my debilitating injury are covered. I haven't had Medicare for more than a decade. The last time I needed to visit a doctor when the day I found out my Medicare had expired three days before, costing me $200 for the visit as a first time patient, and an additional $80 or so for antibiotics to combat my strep infected throat.

I would have better health care than I now do and with free coverage if I were to be arrested and jailed for non-compliance with the ACA.

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA), is commonly called the Affordable Care Act (ACA) or Obamacare.

This was indeed a co-option by and for the insurance industry's benefit and was the only way Repubs would agree to a national health coverage policy. But things have changed with the repubs since then; they've become intransigent rebellious radicals vehemently rejecting any and all Democrat endorsed proposals.

[8bitagent]

It wasn't $300 exactly, but as in my "industry" I round up and round down. $260 to me is $300. However, I am now required to claim money made under the table as of two months ago because my place of employment after a good 20 years of doing it as they did it started having the IRS breathe down their necks and the rest of us employees. Washington State has the most regressive tax laws in the country, so I am paying my taxes no matter what whether it be cash or electronic transfers -- I am a little guy and am not skirting the system. It is all sales taxes here. If you found a twenty on the street in March and another twenty the next month because your grandma sent it to you for your birthday, would you claim it? There is no income tax here. However, as of this IRS sweating my employers I am now losing around $400 a month now just in wages. Yet they are cutting transit yet again by around 13%. Adding tolls to roads and bilking us in gas taxes, soda taxes, candy taxes, alcohol taxes -- and it is never enough.

However, I cannot afford to even save any more with this scheme. And no, I will not be cutting a check monthly for whatever it is they say the rubric is in determining how much I am able to pay. No, I will not stand to be "penalized" either. Fuck no. And some may say this doesn't apply, yet it does. There is no "reasonable price" with health care in the US. It is a scam, up and down and I refuse. I have, we all have, it bad enough as it is.

First time I've heard a fellow left leaning person say they ain't down with Obamacare....and I trust the word of a fellow leftist a million times more than a right winger.

I don't even have $260 in my bank. But I have medical, which is like European free healthcare for us poe folk

[thurnundtaxis]

I totally agree with you 82_28!

This insurance mandate is unbelievable. I honestly can see no way that this "reform" will act as a stepping stone towards a universal single-payer health care plan. Once the insurance companies start raking in all of this extra money it will only strengthen their resolve and give their lobbies a larger bankroll.

I'm baffled by the support coming from my peers who live just as hand-to-mouth as I do.

Would be curious to see how much support this legislation has amongst us board users. Could you add a poll to this thread? I don't want to start another just for that purpose.

[KeenInsight]

I think the main thing is this.

Either way, republican or democrats - whatever they do with Healthcare is not going to benefit the 'little man or woman' - and that is the bottom line. Career politicians are with the "10%" which is more accurately the 0.1%. And the people above the politicians, who abuse their wealth, give the politicians money to "sway" their opinion on things, and that includes banks, insurance companies, etc.. American politics are dirty. Inequality in America today is TWICE as bad as Ancient Rome due to the rich being made richer due through flat fraud, government handouts, and bad bureaucratic policies.

Money is like a drug, and Healthcare reforms are apart of that system, among many other things - that is, on the surface what they wanted ACA to do is enact regulations between states so someone in one state could buy insurance in a different state. In other words, they could have just enacted some regulatory laws to allow just that, they already do for Car insurance which I buy two states away from my current state.

There was scam before ACA and there could be more later. It is what it is, the American economy and Healthcare would have been in great shape, even blooming, starting 50 odd years ago, if the failed bureaucratic policies were not in place to make the U.S. a war nation.

[Elihu]

what i can't believe is that any of you are surprised. kinda amusing actually. don't worry. if you file a tax return your accountant has been deputized to collect your non-compliance fines. payment plans available! waaaaa! well gross med expenditure today, pre aca, is >1.5 trillion. who's getting well? is anybody getting better? so i guess that's set to go up. give it some time. your trip to the medtech will come to resemble your trips to the ss office, the irs, the dmv. right? and yes this is thugocracy camoflauged as stage theatre. wasn't it the gop frankenstein that concocted this thing in the first place? see how clever they tricked you? then his boy barry moved in, adopted it, and got it passed! don't hate on the gop - evil wrestlers "trying" to defund this thing. those t-bills are needed. bernank has already announced the banks intention to print the dollars and buy em. they're pre-sold, this deal is going forward. this is a good thing. the pump will postpone the necessity of attacking another nation militarily. kerry and bashar have already dined together and put that script into preproduction. reruns, they $uck! generally. you could look at it that way ocho duece. your $300 is postponing war and you get med treatment thrown into the bargain. are scripts included?

[Twyla LaSarc]

I have a feeling this is the ultimate scam of our generation.

I recently got health insurance for the first time since I was 18. I took this job to get it.

The joke, of course, is that I don't get paid enough to visit the doctor.

But hey: I have health insurance.

That's the rub.
I just quit the first job with insurance I ever had. $2400 dollars a year for me and my family and I now owe an additional 3 grand for having used it a couple of times (and who knew that you had to spend $200 bucks a pop to get to those 'free' services like eyeglasses?). Of course I was guilted by some, I mean how can you turn down insurance? What if something happens? My thought is if something happens I'll still owe 3 grand and at least I'll have a chance to pay it because I'm not having $200 or so taken out of my checks monthly. The coverage maxed out at something like a hundred fifty grand, so it wouldn't help if something really catastrophic were to happen. Two grand, a hundred grand, at my income level it's all the same.

It's a fucking scam, all of it. I think I'll plan to be too poor to have to pay one it becomes mandated. I have to get out of the city first, though. I'm with 82. On paper we make so much money, but rents and COL will suck it out of you quickly.

[Iamwhomiam]

"if you file a tax return your accountant has been deputized to collect your non-compliance fines."

Um, no. Don't file taxes and by law my income is protected from being garnished, therefore no accountant to rat me out. I don't go to doctors and if I need to deal with a medical emergency, I cannot, by law, be rejected from receiving appropriate care.

[Freitag]

the only hope is the travisty of it all will force single-payer

I think that's been the plan all along. The ACA will ruin the insurance industry, because healthy people will not buy insurance until they need it. Then it will be so broken that single-payer will be the "fix".

[Carol Newquist]

I honestly can see no way that this "reform" will act as a stepping stone towards a universal single-payer health care plan.

I hear ya. I'm sick and tired of Obama apologists using this canard as a rationalization for the shit sandwich called the ACA. It's intent is to extend the profits of insurance companies for another ten to twenty tears maximum. The experts know that if this wasn't done, insurance companies could no longer operate profitably....and we can't have that, can we?

Also, aren't you sick and tired of having to rehash this bullshit every time the topic comes up? This legislation was originally a Republican-crafted plan written by the insurance companies with insubstantial tweaks. It is not intended to be a bridge to Universal Care or Single Payer. In fact, let's not forget, Single Payer advocates were locked out of the discussions. They were never invited. That says a thousand words.....no, scratch that, it says a million words...it says it all.

Just when you think you can't bend over any more, lo and behold, you're much more flexible than you ever could have imagined. How far until we snap? Do we snap, or are we as malleable as taffy? We'll see....maybe.

[justdrew]

so, does it seem likely to anyone else that employers may well start requiring hires to have their own insurance? Why hire someone someone so irresponsible as to not buy their own health insurance?

[freemason9]

sorry, but i'm not buying these comments as factual. if this hits lower income groups so hard--i'm fairly certain the GOP would be 100% behind it. but the GOP bitterly opposes it, so there must be some good things about it.

i'm not a democrat, but i'm certainly anti-republican, and i know those cock suckers. if they hate obamacare, there must be some good things in it.

like considering 30 hour work weeks as full time.

[freemason9]

the only hope is the travisty of it all will force single-payer

I think that's been the plan all along. The ACA will ruin the insurance industry, because healthy people will not buy insurance until they need it. Then it will be so broken that single-payer will be the "fix".

many people agree with you, and i think Koch and company sees it that way as well.

[8bitagent]

Awww how precious...the gub'ment now is trying to use the indie hipster vimeo route to try and woo people...



They should make one explaining how they almost got us into another war and continually defend the use of robot death squads