Government Shutdown!!!!

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Re: Government Shutdown!!!!

Postby Carol Newquist » Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:29 pm

mentalgongfu2 » Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:25 pm wrote:
Due to the lapse in government funding, census.gov sites, services, and all online survey collection requests will be unavailable until further notice.

Updates regarding government operating status and resumption of normal operations can be found at <usa.gov>.

Websites affected by this shutdown are all census.gov hosted websites, including:

Census.gov
American Factfinder
Public API
FTP Servers
FAQs
Blogs
Online Surveys
Federal Statistical Organization websites: FCSM, FedStats and MapStats


Shit....I guess I'll have to remove this from my "Favorites" then. This is devastating. :P
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Re: Government Shutdown!!!!

Postby 8bitagent » Tue Oct 01, 2013 3:11 pm

Carol Newquist » Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:23 pm wrote:I just came from outside and the sky still hasn't fallen....and the planes are still flying overhead on schedule. Kids are still at school and people are still going to work. The bars are still open and serving all manner of drink and Breaking Bad is available on Netflix. So much for their bluff. They shut down and we're still breathing....hell, we're more than breathing, we're thriving despite their siphoning.



I'd love for them to shut down Facebook, twitter, and all smart phones/texting. SAVE US FROM our Truman show panopticon....we're both the prisoner and the warden...no wait, we're the ones we are waiting for!
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Re: Government Shutdown!!!!

Postby conniption » Tue Oct 01, 2013 3:38 pm

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Oct 1, 2013

The Reign Of Morons Is Here

By Charles P. Pierce at 9:10AM

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Only the truly naive can be truly surprised.

Only the truly child-like can have expected anything else.

In the year of our Lord 2010, the voters of the United States elected the worst Congress in the history of the Republic. There have been Congresses more dilatory. There have been Congresses more irresponsible, though not many of them. There have been lazier Congresses, more vicious Congresses, and Congresses less capable of seeing forests for trees. But there has never been in a single Congress -- or, more precisely, in a single House of the Congress -- a more lethal combination of political ambition, political stupidity, and political vainglory than exists in this one, which has arranged to shut down the federal government because it disapproves of a law passed by a previous Congress, signed by the president, and upheld by the Supreme Court, a law that does nothing more than extend the possibility of health insurance to the millions of Americans who do not presently have it, a law based on a proposal from a conservative think-tank and taken out on the test track in Massachusetts by a Republican governor who also happens to have been the party's 2012 nominee for president of the United States. That is why the government of the United States is, in large measure, closed this morning.

We have elected the people sitting on hold, waiting for their moment on an evening drive-time radio talk show.

We have elected an ungovernable collection of snake-handlers, Bible-bangers, ignorami, bagmen and outright frauds, a collection so ungovernable that it insists the nation be ungovernable, too. We have elected people to govern us who do not believe in government.

We have elected a national legislature in which Louie Gohmert and Michele Bachmann have more power than does the Speaker of the House of Representatives, who has been made a piteous spectacle in the eyes of the country and doesn't seem to mind that at all. We have elected a national legislature in which the true power resides in a cabal of vandals, a nihilistic brigade that believes that its opposition to a bill directing millions of new customers to the nation's insurance companies is the equivalent of standing up the the Nazis in 1938, to the bravery of the passengers on Flight 93 on September 11, 2001, and to Mel Gibson's account of the Scottish Wars of Independence in the 13th Century. We have elected a national legislature that looks into the mirror and sees itself already cast in marble.

We did this. We looked at our great legacy of self-government and we handed ourselves over to the reign of morons.

This is what they came to Washington to do -- to break the government of the United States. It doesn't matter any more whether they're doing it out of pure crackpot ideology, or at the behest of the various sugar daddies that back their campaigns, or at the instigation of their party's mouthbreathing base. It may be any one of those reasons. It may be all of them. The government of the United States, in the first three words of its founding charter, belongs to all of us, and these people have broken it deliberately. The true hell of it, though, is that you could see this coming down through the years, all the way from Ronald Reagan's First Inaugural Address in which government "was" the problem, through Bill Clinton's ameliorative nonsense about the era of big government being "over," through the attempts to make a charlatan like Newt Gingrich into a scholar and an ambitious hack like Paul Ryan into a budget genius, and through all the endless attempts to find "common ground" and a "Third Way." Ultimately, as we all wrapped ourselves in good intentions, a prion disease was eating away at the country's higher functions. One of the ways you can acquire a prion disease is to eat right out of its skull the brains of an infected monkey. We are now seeing the country reeling and jabbering from the effects of the prion disease, but it was during the time of Reagan that the country ate the monkey brains.

What is there to be done? The first and most important thing is to recognize how we came to this pass. Both sides did not do this. Both sides are not to blame. There is no compromise to be had here that will leave the current structure of the government intact. There can be no reward for this behavior. I am less sanguine than are many people that this whole thing will redound to the credit of the Democratic party. For that to happen, the country would have to make a nuanced judgment over who is to blame that, I believe, will be discouraged by the courtier press of the Beltway and that, in any case, the country has not shown itself capable of making. For that to happen, the Democratic party would have to be demonstrably ruthless enough to risk its own political standing to make the point, which the Democratic party never has shown itself capable of doing. With the vandals tucked away in safe, gerrymandered districts, and their control over state governments probably unshaken by events in Washington, there will be no great wave election that sweeps them out of power. I do not see profound political consequences for enough of them to change the character of a Congress gone delusional. The only real consequences will be felt by the millions of people affected by what this Congress has forced upon the nation, which was the whole point all along.

Among other things, the Library Of Congress is closed as a result of what the vandals have done. Padlock study and intellect. Wander aimlessly down the mall among the shuttered monuments to self-government. Find yourself a food truck that serves monkey brains. Eat your fking fill.
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Re: Government Shutdown!!!!

Postby NeonLX » Tue Oct 01, 2013 3:46 pm

keep on keeping on, be patient, get right with God. hope to meet you someday neon.


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Re: Government Shutdown!!!!

Postby Carol Newquist » Tue Oct 01, 2013 4:00 pm

I'd love for them to shut down Facebook, twitter, and all smart phones/texting. SAVE US FROM our Truman show panopticon....we're both the prisoner and the warden...no wait, we're the ones we are waiting for!


That will never happen until the power runs out, but yeah, I hear ya. It does feel like the Truman Show increasingly as of late. Build it and they will come.....meaning put the idea out there, and society will gravitate to it....and society is. Also, every day we collectively draw closer to becoming one with our machines....especially our electronics. Have you ever considered that via the Internet we could be carrying on conversations with our makers? We're the fiction....discussing fiction. I don't think we could shut it down, this thing, this Egregore, if we tried. It's more than the sum of us at this point. It has a mind and presence of its own, and it will shut down when it's good and ready, not when we request it....if we were so inclined.
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Re: Government Shutdown!!!!

Postby DrEvil » Tue Oct 01, 2013 4:34 pm

http://www.salon.com/2013/10/01/grayson ... n_the_job/

Grayson blames shutdown on GOP literally drinking on the job
"Many of them seem loaded," the liberal congressman says, charging his GOP colleagues smelled like alcohol

In a Tuesday interview, Rep. Alan Grayson charged that Republican House members have been literally intoxicated while casting votes on the continuing resolutions that set the stage for today’s government shutdown. Noting “a number of public reports that you can smell alcohol on their breath as they’re voting gleefully to shut down the government and create chaos,” Grayson said that he had personally witnessed GOP colleagues smelling like alcohol. “Many of them seem loaded,” said Grayson. The Florida congressman declined to name names, saying, “it’s the usual suspects,” but that he didn’t “really feel like getting that personal with people.”

A spokesperson for Speaker John Boehner did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Politico reporter Ginger Gibson tweeted Saturday that she could “smell the booze wafting from members as they walk off the floor.”

Grayson said he thinks on-the-job alcohol consumption by GOP House members has “been a problem all year long.”

“It’s a fact we all have to live with,” Grayson told Salon, “and it’s making them violent and abusive towards America.”


Grayson also blamed today’s shutdown on Republicans’ “anarchist ideology” and “blind hatred of government,” saying they’ve become “the Captain Ahabs of 21st century American politics. Grayson had particularly harsh words for Speaker Boehner, who he said refused to allow a vote on a “clean CR” to avert a shutdown because “he enjoys his golf games with the president, and he doesn’t want to lose that perk, and so he’s desperate to maintain his relevance, and that means maintaining his position at all costs – even the kind of costs we’re seeing now for the country.” Grayson predicted that the shutdown, given its impact on veterans benefit applications, National Institutes of Health research, and Federal Drug Administration drug approvals, would lead “over time” to deaths.

The congressman said it seems President Obama “has learned from experience” about how to deal with the GOP, “and that’s what needed to happen.” But he panned the president’s decision to bring JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon, whose company is reportedly in negotiations on a legal settlement of up to $11 billion, to the White House Wednesday. “I think it would be more constructive to invite in the pope, or perhaps Putin,” said Grayson.

A source told the Wall Street Journal that Dimon and other bank executives would be discussing their debt ceiling concerns.

“It’s true in general that Wall Street dictates our economic policy,” said Grayson, “but in this case neither Jamie Dimon nor anybody else from Wall Street seems to have been able to get the Republicans to understand the obvious resulting difficulties that would come from the largest debtor in the entire world suddenly defaulting on its debt.” He told Salon that “many Republicans in the House still regard the United States defaulting on its debt as a good thing, despite the fact that they’ve had one presentation after another in their own caucus from Wall Street bigwigs explaining the utter chaos” that would result.

Grayson argued that while “reasonable people can disagree” about the merits of the Affordable Care Act’s individual mandate, Republicans are using it “as an excuse to attack the ACA as a whole.”

“When you talk to them privately,” Grayson told Salon, “what you find is that if they could repeal Medicare they would. If they could repeal Medicaid they would,” along with the requirement that emergency rooms treat patients who can’t pay for care.

“They are literally offended by the idea that people would get the care they need to stay healthy or alive even though they can’t afford it,” charged Grayson. “They regard it as some kind of crime against nature.”


So Wall Street is riding high on cocaine, and the Senate is sloshing around in booze. That explains so much. :)
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Re: Government Shutdown!!!!

Postby Carol Newquist » Tue Oct 01, 2013 6:00 pm

Grayson blames shutdown on GOP literally drinking on the job


Yeah, cuz the GOP are the only ones who drink. The irony is, the Democrats for the longest time were the biggest lushes. Tip O'Neill and Teddy Kennedy had livers no larger than the head of a pin when they passed, and Chris Dodd's is no bigger than a pea.

http://www.gq.com/news-politics/newsmakers/200704/kennedy-ted-senator-profile?currentPage=3

Kennedy regularly finds himself in unseemly scenes. One East Coast playboy recalls an incident a few years ago in a popular Palm Beach bar when "a definitely drunk" Kennedy shoved him against the bar and spilled his beer as the senator rushed out the door with a blonde so young, the man at first mistook Kennedy for an angry father come to take home an underage daughter. Dropping in for a 2 A.M. drink in the Manhattan bar American Trash in January 1989, Kennedy reportedly got into a shouting match with an obnoxious (and possibly intoxicated) off-duty bouncer, which climaxed with the senator's throwing his drink in the other fellow's face. Unkind Boston Herald columnist Howie Carr writes of Kennedy as "Fat Boy" and says it isn't really considered summer in Cape Cod until the senator drives on the sidewalk for the first time. Reporters wonder at his behavior. "He really will do anything at all," says veteran Washington gossip columnist Diana McLelan, "I think he's mad." Says Bill Thomas, writer of the "Heard on the Hill" column for Roll Call, the well-regarded newspaper of Capitol Hill, "He's off the reservation…out of control…He has no compunctions whatsoever." Thomas likens Kennedy and Dodd to "two guys in a fraternity who have been loosed upon the world."

Perhaps this seems unfair. From all available evidence, God created our elected officials to drink and screw around. Arrogance, too, is common. So is sexual recklessness (witness Gary Hart, Robert Bauman and Barney Frank); power dements as well as corrupts. But Kennedy's behavior stands out. The two most infamous Terrible Teddy stories make the point. Both take place at Washington's La Brasserie, where Kennedy is a favorite customer.

Brasserie I: In December 1985, just before he announced he would run for president in 1988, Kennedy allegedly manhandled a pretty young woman employed as a Brasserie waitress. The woman, Carla Gaviglio, declined to be quoted in this article, but says the following account, a similar version of which first appeared in Penthouse last year, is full and accurate:

It is after midnight and Kennedy and Dodd are just finishing up a long dinner in a private room on the first floor of the restaurant's annex. They are drunk. Their dates, two very young blondes, leave the table to go to the bathroom. (The dates are drunk too. "They'd always get their girls very, very drunk," says a former Brasserie waitress.) Betty Loh, who served the foursome, also leaves the room. Raymond Campet, the co-owner of La Brasserie, tells Gaviglio the senators want to see her.

As Gaviglio enters the room, the six-foot-two, 225-plus-pound Kennedy grabs the five-foot-three, 103-pound waitress and throws her on the table. She lands on her back, scattering crystal, plates and cutlery and the lit candles. Several glasses and a crystal candlestick are broken. Kennedy then picks her up from the table and throws her on Dodd, who is sprawled in a chair. With Gaviglio on Dodd's lap, Kennedy jumps on top and begins rubbing his genital area against hers, supporting his weight on the arms of the chair. As he is doing this, Loh enters the room. She and Gaviglio both scream, drawing one or two dishwashers. Startled, Kennedy leaps up. He laughs. Bruised, shaken and angry over what she considered a sexual assault, Gaviglio runs from the room. Kennedy, Dodd and their dates leave shortly thereafter, following a friendly argument between the senators over the check.

Eyewitness Betty Loh told me that Kennedy had "three or four" cocktails in his first half hour at the restaurant and wine with dinner. When she walked into the room after Gaviglio had gone in, she says, "what I saw was Senator Kennedy on top of Carla, who was on top of Senator Dodd's lap, and the tablecloth was sort of slid off the table 'cause the table was knocked over—not completely, but just on Senator Dodd's lap a little bit, and of course the glasses and the candlesticks were totally spilled and everything. And right when I walked in, Senator Kelly jumped off…and he leaped up, composed himself and got up. And Carla jumped up and ran out of the room."

According to Loh, Kennedy "was sort of leaning" on Gaviglio, "not really straddling but sort of off-balance so it was like he might have accidentally fallen…He was partially on and off…pushing himself off her to get up." Dodd, she adds, "said 'It's not my fault.' " Kennedy said something similar and added, jokingly, "Makes you wonder about the leaders of this country."

Giving Kennedy the benefit of the doubt, it's quite possible he did not intend an assault but meant to be funny, in a repulsive, boozehead way. Drunks are notoriously poor judges of distance, including the distance between fun and assault.

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Re: Government Shutdown!!!!

Postby Asta » Tue Oct 01, 2013 6:24 pm

Well, there are alcoholics, and high functioning alcoholics like myself who, unlike the knuckle dragging type of slushes in Congress, I do get every thing done I need to do and I do it very well, before I have a drink. I would NEVER go to work intoxicated. I have NEVER driven a car intoxicated. I NEVER get intoxicated in public. I NEVER drink alone. And if I were a servant of the people of the US as a congress critter, I would not ever take a drink, ever. It's just too important a job. How difficult is that?????

I know better. Obviously our elected officials don't have the same concerns or standards.
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Re: Government Shutdown!!!!

Postby 8bitagent » Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:23 pm

Carol Newquist » Tue Oct 01, 2013 3:00 pm wrote:
I'd love for them to shut down Facebook, twitter, and all smart phones/texting. SAVE US FROM our Truman show panopticon....we're both the prisoner and the warden...no wait, we're the ones we are waiting for!


That will never happen until the power runs out, but yeah, I hear ya. It does feel like the Truman Show increasingly as of late. Build it and they will come.....meaning put the idea out there, and society will gravitate to it....and society is. Also, every day we collectively draw closer to becoming one with our machines....especially our electronics. Have you ever considered that via the Internet we could be carrying on conversations with our makers? We're the fiction....discussing fiction. I don't think we could shut it down, this thing, this Egregore, if we tried. It's more than the sum of us at this point. It has a mind and presence of its own, and it will shut down when it's good and ready, not when we request it....if we were so inclined.


I can't remember the last time I saw a woman under 30 not eyeball deep into her smart phone while walking or other public tasks, hell young people in general. Older folks seem to just use 2005 era bluetoohs in their ear. God I hope Google Glass never takes off.

Conspiracy mongers in the mid 2000's always talked about how the gub'ment would use some terrorist excuse to force us into RFID chip implants or some sort of biometric big brother. In reality, we did it to ourselves...total big brother wasnt sold so much on fear, but carefully picked tech trendoid hipsters on tv selling Apple, Google, Samsung and Microsoft products.
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Re: Government Shutdown!!!!

Postby stefano » Wed Oct 02, 2013 2:35 am

I thoroughly enjoyed this - it's from Slate, and is "the first installment of “If It Happened There,” a regular feature in which American events are described using the tropes and tone normally employed by the American media to describe events in other countries". I especially liked "a controversial plan intended to bring the nation’s health care system in line with international standards," and "the restive Texas region, known in the past as a hotbed of separatist activity." Ha.
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If It Happened There ... the Government Shutdown

WASHINGTON, United States—The typical signs of state failure aren’t evident on the streets of this sleepy capital city. Beret-wearing colonels have not yet taken to the airwaves to declare martial law. Money-changers are not yet buying stacks of useless greenbacks on the street.

But the pleasant autumn weather disguises a government teetering on the brink. Because, at midnight Monday night, the government of this intensely proud and nationalistic people will shut down, a drastic sign of political dysfunction in this moribund republic.

The capital’s rival clans find themselves at an impasse, unable to agree on a measure that will allow the American state to carry out its most basic functions. While the factions have come close to such a shutdown before, opponents of President Barack Obama’s embattled regime now appear prepared to allow the government to be shuttered over opposition to a controversial plan intended to bring the nation’s health care system in line with international standards.

Six years into his rule, Obama’s position can appear confusing, even contradictory. Though the executive retains control of the country’s powerful intelligence service, capable of the extrajudicial execution of the regime’s opponents half a world away, the president’s efforts to govern domestically have been stymied in the legislature by an extremist rump faction of the main opposition party.

The current rebellion has been led by Sen. Ted Cruz, a young fundamentalist lawmaker from the restive Texas region, known in the past as a hotbed of separatist activity. Activity in the legislature ground to a halt last week for a full day as Cruz insisted on performing a time-honored American demonstration of stamina and self-denial, which involved speaking for 21 hours, quoting liberally from science fiction films and children’s books. The gesture drew wide media attention, though its political purpose was unclear to outsiders.

With hours remaining until the government of the world’s richest nation runs out of money, attention now focuses on longtime opposition leader John Boehner, under pressure from both the regime and the radical elements of his own movement, who may be the only political figure with the standing needed to end the standoff.

While the country’s most recent elections were generally considered to be free and fair (despite threats against international observers), the current crisis has raised questions in the international community about the regime’s ability to govern this complex nation of 300 million people, not to mention its vast stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction.

Americans themselves are starting to ask difficult questions as well. As this correspondent’s cab driver put it, while driving down the poorly maintained roads that lead from the airport, “Do these guys have any idea what they’re doing to the country?”
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Re: Government Shutdown!!!!

Postby justdrew » Wed Oct 02, 2013 2:39 am

not THE government, OUR government.

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Re: Government Shutdown!!!!

Postby Joao » Wed Oct 02, 2013 3:26 am

That Star Trek clip is amazing. I've watched my share of that show and am surprised I wasn't aware of it. Thanks.
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Re: Government Shutdown!!!!

Postby Carol Newquist » Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:31 am

the current crisis has raised questions in the international community about the regime’s ability to govern this complex nation of 300 million people, not to mention its vast stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction.


What international community? Russia with its Strong Man KGB leader? Really? Can you imagine a comparable leader in the U.S.? Who would be a good, tyrannical autocrat for post-collapse America? How about China? Maybe we should be more like them. Oh wait, we are more like them every day, and every day, they're more like us. Both states merging from different directions to a State Crony Capitalism model, and we all know how that works. The U.S. before too long will have 70 to 80 million migrating laborers to China's 300 million.

How about Saudi Arabia? They're part of the International Community. Are they raising questions? I have a few questions of my own for them in return. England? Not much different from the U.S., if you ask me, so they're ones to talk and the same holds true for any other EU country.

The fact of the matter is, the U.S. is the Enforcer for the Global Plutocracy and that enforcement mechanism is paid for by U.S. taxpayer money. U.S. citizens are obviously not the beneficiaries of this strategy....but the wealthy of all nations are. The sooner every ordinary citizen of planet earth realizes that, the better. This perpetual global war is one of the wealthy versus the poor....and the poor foot the bill.
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Re: Government Shutdown!!!!

Postby conniption » Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:12 am

rumproast
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House Leadership Suffering From Stockholm Syndrome
Posted by Bette Noir on 10/02/13

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We’ve all gotten pretty used to the awkward and adolescent creative flair of Republican attempts at public relations, campaign materials, logos, banners and direct mail. We’ve seen the photo-chops, the noir-ish videos and the just plain lame mailers that just tickle some leftover gene for neanderthal art appreciation that hangs on in the ultra-conservative brain.

The photo above is pretty typical. It features the rather bizarre, recent attachment Republicans exhibit for “empty chair” imagery and the sophomoric poses struck are classic GOP. You can almost hear the “closed door” conversation that resulted in this brain fart:

Ryan: Hey guys, guys—how about I look really po’ed at having to wait.

Cantor: C’mon Libtards, whatcha waiting for? Wilkommen, bienvenu, welcome! Let’s solve some American problems!


Of course this photo should be captioned “We refused to do this 18 times since April because LEVERAGE!”

So. I guess now they think they have some . . . because, yesterday, on Day One of the Shutdown, we were treated to happy idiots like Rep. Dave Schweikert (R-AZ) telling us all that this is “my idea of fun.” Easy for him to say from atop his $6 million pile of assets and his uninterrupted pay cycle.

And this smug, cavalier dismissiveness of the pain of their own constituencies is how we will remember them when this horrifying last gasp of the Republican Party is finally history.

The crew that’s running the House these days appears to have no sense of institutional responsibility, let alone integrity or decorum. The barbarians are truly at the gate so it’s no wonder the whole outfit is self-loathing, not to mention self-medicating, as several reporters have noted during the current crisis . . .

As their own colleague, Rep. Alan Grayson (D-FL) told Slate’s Josh Eidelson:

. . . on-the-job alcohol consumption by House GOP members has been a problem all year long.

It’s a fact we all have to live with and it’s making them violent and abusive towards America.


Neither will the Peter Kings and Charlie Dents be able to save them. King is now moaning about tea party-backed members of the House Republican Caucus trying to “hijack the party.” No sympathy here, fellas. Your party was hijacked a long time ago and you were only too happy to welcome extremists into your shrinking tent when you thought it would keep you on a roll.

Now you have to answer to gentlemen like this:

Joyner: "Our Only Hope Is A Military Takeover"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0X7oHMASDY

Might be time to break out the Kevlar.


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Should the video at the end be posted in the current Oathkeepers thread?
I'd hate to encourage them in any way.
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Re: Government Shutdown!!!!

Postby Carol Newquist » Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:20 am

Should the video at the end be posted in the current Oathkeepers thread?
I'd hate to encourage them in any way.


Jesus Christ!! This is sadly how many of them think. This is the problem of putting your full faith behind the government to include the military. It's fine when it's your turn in office, when your team holds the reins, or at least the illusion that your team is holding the reins, but when their team holds the reins, it's another story entirely. The Democrats have relied much too heavily on the power of Authority, and the problem with that is, that Authority can and will switch hands, and then we're truly fucked. Then we have REAL fascism....like none of us have ever witnessed before except for Nazi documentaries on the History Channel. :shock2:
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