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Re: Government Shutdown!!!!

Postby justdrew » Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:21 pm

October 02, 2013
Extra Bonus Quote of the Day

"We're not going to be disrespected, We have to get something out of this. And I don't know what that even is."
-- Rep. Marlin Stutzman (R-IN), quoted by the Washington Examiner, on the government shutdown.




Mint the Damn Coin Already
Posted by Goldy on Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 9:54 PM

At the risk of coming off as a second-rate Atrios, it is time for President Obama to mint the damn coin already. As has already been widely discussed, a quirk in federal law makes it perfectly legal for the Treasury Department to mint platinum coins in any denomination. So the Treasury could mint a few trillion dollar coins, deposit them in the Federal Reserve, and then write checks off of that.

Up against the debt ceiling? No problem. We'd have plenty of money to meet our obligations. Yeah, I know it sounds silly, but it's perfectly legal, and no more inflationary than borrowing a shit-ton of money. And even a little silliness is preferable to the economic insanity that would come from defaulting on our national debt.

But why even wait a couple weeks for the debt ceiling crisis to hit? Obama should just mint those coins now, taking the debt ceiling off the table. The Teabaggers aren't bluffing. They're eager to drive the global economy off a cliff. They're fucking crazy. So the only responsible thing to do is to take away their cliff. And that means that the only responsible thing to do is to mint the damn coin.
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Re: Government Shutdown!!!!

Postby jcivil » Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:09 pm

Please default.

Please shut down.

Don't come back now, thanks.

Forget munnie.

Rule thy self.
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Re: Government Shutdown!!!!

Postby Nordic » Thu Oct 03, 2013 11:06 pm

jcivil » Thu Oct 03, 2013 9:09 pm wrote:Please default.

Please shut down.

Don't come back now, thanks.

Forget munnie.

Rule thy self.



It'll never happen. Military spending continues unabated, the NSA, the CIA, and the billion plus dollars we spend per week on Black operations isn't going anywhere.

The Empire cannot be stopped. Until it overextends itself and is defeated. Like all of them in the past.
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Re: Government Shutdown!!!!

Postby parel » Thu Oct 03, 2013 11:56 pm

Pentagon Spent $5 Billion on Weapons on the Eve of the Shutdown


The Pentagon pumped billions of dollars into contractors' bank accounts on the eve of the U.S. government's shutdown that saw 400,000 Defense Department employees furloughed.

All told, the Pentagon awarded 94 contracts yesterday evening on its annual end-of-the-fiscal-year spending spree, spending more than five billion dollars on everything from robot submarines to Finnish hand grenades and a radar base mounted on an offshore oil platform. To put things in perspective, the Pentagon gave out only 14 contracts on September 3, the first workday of the month.

Here are some of the more interesting purchases from Monday's dollar-dump.

First up: the Defense Logistics Agency, the Pentagon branch that provides the armed services with things like fuel and spare parts. DLA has the honor of dropping the most cash in one contract last night with the $2.5 billion award it gave to aircraft engine-maker Pratt & Whitney for "various weapons system spare parts" used by the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines. Other highlights of DLA's last-minute spree included: $65 million for military helmets from BAE Systems, $24 million for "traveling wave tubes" to amplify radio signals from Thales, $17 million for liquid nitrogen, $15 million for helium and $19 million on cots. Yes, cots.

Then came the Navy. The sea service spent hundreds of millions of dollars on 31 contracts buying everything from high-tech Finnish hand grenades to janitorial services.

The service's biggest contracts were aimed at protecting ships from underwater attack. It gave Lockheed Martin a total of $139 million for sonar that allows Arleigh Burke-class destroyers to detect submarines and underwater mines. The Navy is also buying $40 million worth of hand grenades made in Vihtavuori, Finland, that allow "users to choose the level of blast needed for the situation." Another $18 million is going to Phoenix International Holdings to operate a robot submarine called the Submarine Rescue Diving and Recompression System that can save people from disabled subs sitting up to 2,000 feet underwater.

Not everything the Navy spent its end of year cash on was high tech, however. The service also gave $64 million contract to build a new fuel pier in Point Loma, Calif. It also added $9 million onto an existing $138 million contract for janitors at Navy medical centers in San Diego.

The Air Force, traditionally DOD's biggest spender, was relatively restrained; it dished out only 17 contracts. One of the big themes of the Air Force's spend was spying. The service spent cash on everything from spy satellites to drones to planes that can be used to hunt drug dealers.

The air service gave General Atomics $49 million to help France buy 16 MQ-9 Reaper drones. It also dished out $64 million to Lockheed for help operating spy satellites that are equipped with infrared cameras. Another $9 million went to URS Corp. for maintenance work on the Air National Guard's fleet of RC-26B spy planes that help domestic law enforcement agencies catch drug dealers. Johns Hopkins University got $7 million from the Air Force Research Lab to develop software that can monitor raw communications signals and images collected around the world to detect significant "events" in real time. $8 million is going to a company called McCrone Associates to analyze particles in order to ensure someone is complying international ban on nuclear weapons tests. It doesn't say who that someone is or what type of particles are being analyzed.

The service also spent $9 million on a new gym at the Air Force Academy that includes areas for CrossFit training, space for the academy's Triathlon Club and a "television studio."

The Army only had a couple of relatively large contracts last night. The first was a $600 million award spread out between nine companies to develop alternative energy projects for the Army Corps of Engineers. The ground service also spent $200 million on for Interceptor-brand body armor made by Federal Prisons Industries for sales to other countries. In addition to these deals, the service gave out plenty of relatively small contracts -- and relatively is an important word here -- for everything from renovations on a reserve center in New Jersey to the purchase of 60 Mercedes Benz trucks for African countries.

The Missile Defense Agency (MDA) gave Raytheon $230 million to support operation of the massive, sea-going X-band radar station that MDA uses to detect ballistic missile launches in Asia. MDA also gave Trex Enterprises $6 million for telescope mirrors that are impervious to changes in temperature.

The Defense Threat Reduction Agency, the Pentagon's arm responsible for defeating threats posed by weapons of mass destruction, gave Johns Hopkins University $9 million for research into detecting "chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear and high-yield explosive material."

Finally, U.S. Special Operations Command got in on the spending last night, giving out one $49 million contract to Boeing for development work on an upgraded version of the Army's MH-6 Little Bird chopper.

This goes to show that even when the federal government is shutdown and the military has temporarily lost half its civilian workforce, the Pentagon can spend money like almost no one else.
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Re: Government Shutdown!!!!

Postby conniption » Thu Oct 03, 2013 11:59 pm

Rocky Anderson exclusive RT TV interview on the US government shutdown

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Re: Government Shutdown!!!!

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Oct 04, 2013 12:05 am

John Boehner gives away the game (a bit)
By Greg Sargent, Published: October 3 at 4:18 pmE-mail the writer
Multiple reports today inform us that John Boehner is privately telling colleagues that in the end, he won’t allow default and will even let a debt ceiling hike pass with mostly Dem votes if it comes down to it. Plenty of folks are rightly skeptical about this development. But it’s not entirely without significance.
The Post’s account points out that this may be a trial balloon designed to gauge how this will play with conservatives. Meanwhile, a spokesman for Boehner has been reiterating that Boehner does not intend to allow default, even as that spokesman is simultaneously reiterating that he will expect concessions in exchange for raising the debt limit, anyway. Why? Because a “clean” debt limit cannot pass the House.
This is a variation on the glaring absurdity that’s been at the heart of Boehner’s position for some time, i.e, the simultaneous insistence that he knows the debt limit hike must happen — and that the contrary is not an option — even as he asks us to grant the presumption that the prospect of default gives him leverage. The twist added here is that this leverage is derived from the fact that only way to avert default is for Dems to give up enough in concessions so a high enough number of Republicans will vote to raise the debt limit to get it through. The game is that Boehner knows it must be raised — wink, wink — but all those crazies in his caucus will need some goodies to get them to go along.
Note these details from the Post’s write up:
In a series of small-group meetings in his office suite, Boehner has told fellow Republicans that he will not permit a vote on a “clean” short-term spending bill that does not end or delay parts of the new federal health-care law. But the aides indicated that Boehner is willing to risk infuriating some of the most conservative House GOP lawmakers by relying on a majority of Democratic votes — and less than a majority of Republicans — to pass a debt-ceiling increase.
What still needs to be nailed down is whether Boehner is prepared to allow a vote on a “clean” debt ceiling increase. Quotes from his spokespeople suggest not, but on the other hand, if a debt ceiling increase is going to pass with mostly Dems, it would have to be clean. More clarification here would be useful.
More broadly, what seems to be going on here is that this is Boehner’s “big give,” as one Dem aide put it to me sarcastically. Boehner is signaling flexibility in the sense that he just may be willing to give Dems the “clean” debt ceiling increase they want, but only in a larger context where Dems will be expected to make concessions in exchange for keeping the government open. In other words, whether or not Boehner ends up being open to a “clean” debt ceiling vote, the larger picture will remain that Democrats will still have to hand over a series of concessions in exchange for GOP cooperation in returning us to something resembling governing normalcy.
So in one sense, this isn’t much of a concession. On the other hand, the mere fact that Boehner sees a need to telegraph nominal flexibility to begin with could be a key tell. With Obama warning that Wall Street should take the possibility of default seriously, Boehner seems to see a need to underscore, again, that he will not allow default under any circumstances, and that keeping alive any doubts about this is politically untenable. Dems will look at this and probably only be even more encouraged to hold to a hard line on both the government shutdown and the debt limit. Boehner’s trial balloon is also useful in the sense that it makes the glaring absurdity that’s always been at the heart of his position even more glaringly absurd.
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Re: Government Shutdown!!!!

Postby 82_28 » Fri Oct 04, 2013 12:20 am

I agree. These "pussies" of the right these days. It is meant I think, to usher in what all of us know the right is capable of, because they wouldn't be the right were it not they were fascists. Our worry on the left is the technocratic fascism because we tend to true freedom as opposed to true right wing freedom -- not the freedom to kill, but the freedom to let and let live. They will do battle in some form. As it stands now, we will get pure yee-haw fascism or we will get a Technocratic takeover in which there will stand another two parties under the aegis of technocracy.

As it stands, my bet is the Technocratic fascists are attempting to rid the place of the fucking idiots to replace them with the expert psychos. We want neither. However, yes. Central casting is beginning to go with people who are smart and they are ridding it of the fucking morons in order to take its place as the Moron2.0 because it must be done.

Here's a sign. It's another motherfucking cult, with the bells and whistles. The .gov is transforming in order to welcome frequent and free fascism. This has been the plot all along once they became scared. As it stands we have three things. Technocrats, Religionists and Normal People.

Perhaps time for a Normal Person Party?
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Re: Government Shutdown!!!!

Postby Joao » Fri Oct 04, 2013 1:49 am

I wonder how domestic surveillance programs like PRISM are affected by the shutdown.
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Re: Government Shutdown!!!!

Postby conniption » Fri Oct 04, 2013 4:58 am

Sen. Warren on Republicans' Shutdown Threats - Full Speech

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Re: Government Shutdown!!!!

Postby 8bitagent » Fri Oct 04, 2013 5:17 am

82_28 » Thu Oct 03, 2013 11:20 pm wrote:I agree. These "pussies" of the right these days. It is meant I think, to usher in what all of us know the right is capable of, because they wouldn't be the right were it not they were fascists. Our worry on the left is the technocratic fascism because we tend to true freedom as opposed to true right wing freedom -- not the freedom to kill, but the freedom to let and let live. They will do battle in some form. As it stands now, we will get pure yee-haw fascism or we will get a Technocratic takeover in which there will stand another two parties under the aegis of technocracy.

As it stands, my bet is the Technocratic fascists are attempting to rid the place of the fucking idiots to replace them with the expert psychos. We want neither. However, yes. Central casting is beginning to go with people who are smart and they are ridding it of the fucking morons in order to take its place as the Moron2.0 because it must be done.

Here's a sign. It's another motherfucking cult, with the bells and whistles. The .gov is transforming in order to welcome frequent and free fascism. This has been the plot all along once they became scared. As it stands we have three things. Technocrats, Religionists and Normal People.

Perhaps time for a Normal Person Party?


It's what we all said was happening in 2008. The powers that be, the true powers, are kicking out the "obvious" fascists. The neocons had to go. And in the wake of Obama we've seen the most ass backward clown shit
from the GOP...stuff the onion couldn't make up.

Tyranny won't come with a cross and fuddy duddy old men as previously thought...no, it will come wrapped in an iPhone app, hashtagged, instagrammed and a faux'hemian smile. Obama, drones, etc is all too perfect for the current trendoid generation to digest.
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Re: Government Shutdown!!!!

Postby Carol Newquist » Fri Oct 04, 2013 7:04 am

The Empire cannot be stopped. Until it overextends itself and is defeated. Like all of them in the past.


If we believe it's just an Empire then certainly whatever it is that we believe is plaguing us (us meaning Hugh Manatee) will not be defeated. In fact, maybe defeat is the wrong approach entirely, as well, because defeat is playing by its rules, whatever "it" may be, or may not be. That's not to say Empire isn't part of it, because it is....but it's more like a symptom....meaning you can eliminate the symptoms, but the dis-ease remains.
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Re: Government Shutdown!!!!

Postby Carol Newquist » Fri Oct 04, 2013 7:08 am

Obama, drones, etc is all too perfect for the current trendoid generation to digest.


I'm waiting for the next latest and greatest app where trendy up-and-comers can join in with the drone strikes like voting on potential targets and maybe even be the lucky one to activate the bombs with a press of the # sign or a screen symbol of a red, white and blue missile.
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Re: Government Shutdown!!!!

Postby Carol Newquist » Fri Oct 04, 2013 7:13 am

As it stands now, we will get pure yee-haw fascism or we will get a Technocratic takeover in which there will stand another two parties under the aegis of technocracy.


Yep, this is how I see it. There really are no options. The effect of each is the same. They're both Shit Sandwiches, but with one you get Bavarian rye, and the other you get San Francisco sourdough. Similar to Egypt; Military Oligarchy or Muslim Brotherhood and Sharia Law. I'm not sure how this can be overcome considering the implications of 8bitagent's excellent thread on the augmenting with technology.
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Re: Government Shutdown!!!!

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:00 am




G.O.P. Elders See Liabilities in Shutdown

By JONATHAN MARTIN
Published: October 3, 2013

WASHINGTON — The hard-line stance of Republican House members on the government shutdown is generating increasing anger among senior Republican officials, who say the small bloc of conservatives is undermining the party and helping President Obama just as the American people appeared to be losing confidence in him.

VIDEO: Government Shutdown Coverage

From statehouses to Capitol Hill, frustration is building and spilling out during closed-door meetings as Republicans press leaders of the effort to block funding for the health care law to explain where their strategy is ultimately leading.

“Fighting with the president is one thing,” said Senator Roy Blunt, Republican of Missouri. “Fighting with the president and losing is another thing. When you’re in the minority you need to look really hard to find the fights you can win.”

The complaints come from fervent opponents of the president’s health care overhaul, who say that the shutdown is overshadowing discussion of the problems associated with the law and ruining any chance for revising it.

“This is a huge distraction,” said Gov. Bill Haslam of Tennessee. “Instead of that being the conversation, we’re talking about the government shutdown, and the average citizen can’t help but say the Republican Congress isn’t helping.”

Members of Congress from swing areas and Republican governors appear the most vocal. At a meeting with House Republicans in the Capitol on Tuesday, Representative Dave Reichert of Washington pointedly questioned what the end game is for the party, according to someone who attended and spoke on the condition of anonymity because the session was supposed to be confidential. Mr. Reichert, typically mild-mannered, represents a highly competitive suburban Seattle district.

And on Wednesday at a private luncheon, several Senate Republicans — Dan Coats of Indiana, Ron Johnson of Wisconsin and Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire — assailed Senator Ted Cruz of Texas, who has led the movement to block funding for the health law.

Ms. Ayotte was especially furious, according to two people present, and waved a printout from a conservative group friendly to Mr. Cruz attacking 25 of his fellow Republican senators for supporting a procedural vote that the group counted as support of the health law.

Ms. Ayotte asked Mr. Cruz to disavow the group’s effort and demanded he explain his strategy. When he did not, several other senators — including Mr. Johnson, Mr. Coats and even Mitch McConnell, the minority leader — joined in the criticism of Mr. Cruz.

“It just started a lynch mob,” said a senator who was present.

Despite the uproar, Mr. Cruz did not offer a plan for how his party could prevail in the shutdown battle and suggested his colleagues were defeatists.

Republican elders worry that the tactics of Mr. Cruz and his allies in the House are reinforcing the party’s image as obstructionist, and benefiting Mr. Obama at a time when his standing with the public is sliding. A New York Times/CBS poll last week found that 49 percent of Americans disapprove of the president’s job performance.

“The story people see now is President Obama sinking like a rock for months, and the only thing holding him up are the Republicans,” lamented Haley Barbour, the former governor of Mississippi who previously led the Republican National Committee. “We have to get to the best resolution we can under the Obama administration, and then focus on some other things.”

The tensions reveal deeper divisions about how to address more fundamental problems facing the party. Nearly a year after a second consecutive and decisive presidential loss, the rebranding effort that almost every top Republican called crucial has been set aside or obscured by the wrangling with Mr. Obama.

That means there has been little progress on issues the party establishment believes are critical to a revival, like an immigration overhaul, or something conservative intellectuals are more eager for, like a populist-oriented economic approach.

“There are certainly opportunity costs to Republicans in the confrontations and crises we’re witnessing,” said Pete Wehner, a former George W. Bush aide and a leading voice for change.

“Even if you don’t lay most of the blame on the G.O.P., there’s no question, I think, that the effort to reform and modernize the G.O.P. — and to rally support among Republicans around that effort — is being at a minimum impeded.”

And the spotlight on further dysfunction in Washington undercuts those Republicans who want to make less polarizing figures outside Washington — especially governors — the new face of the party.

“The fight here is important to have — this is an important part of political life,” said former Gov. Jeb Bush of Florida at a recent news conference in the capital. “But I do think the emphasis of being against the president’s policies, no matter how principled they are, needs to be only half the story, if not less.”

Mr. Bush cited the accomplishments of three Republican governors and potential presidential candidates — Scott Walker of Wisconsin, Bobby Jindal of Louisiana and Chris Christie of New Jersey — who he said were offering “a more positive, hopeful, optimistic message.”

Mr. Bush’s comments reflect what has become gospel among many Republican professionals: that the language and images projected by the Washington wing of the party are interfering with efforts to modernize.

In a speech this week to Republican state officials, Ed Gillespie, a former Republican chairman, lamented how members of the party’s Congressional caucus were “always in the position of talking about what they’re against — what they want to block or repeal or defund.”

“And we join them in staunch opposition to the president’s harmful policies — but our party might be better off if we spent more time speaking in positive terms about why we’re against those policies and, more importantly, what we’re for,” said Mr. Gillespie, who is chairman of the group he spoke to, the Republican State Leadership Committee.

The constant focus on Congressional and White House bickering especially annoys Republican governors who feel that the party can take back the White House in 2016 if they nominate one of their own and run not only against the Democrats, but also against Washington dysfunction, much as George W. Bush did in 2000.

“There’s a clear contrast there,” Gov. Brian Sandoval of Nevada said of the difference between his fellow chief executives and Republicans in Washington. “People are craving leadership and craving problem-solvers.”

Mr. Haslam of Tennessee noted that governors, unlike House members, have to answer to a much broader electorate, one where “the political pendulum swings back really fast.”

“If you’re in a seat that’s 80 percent Republican, you don’t see the pendulum swinging by very fast,” he said.
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Re: Government Shutdown!!!!

Postby coffin_dodger » Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:11 am

Carol Newquist » Fri Oct 04, 2013 12:13 pm wrote: Similar to Egypt; Military Oligarchy or Muslim Brotherhood and Sharia Law.


Take a look at Alice's posts in the Egypt thread - it should become clearer that perhaps for the first time in modern history, this is absolutely not the case.
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