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Pentagon faked arrival ceremonies honoring fallen soldiers

Postby conniption » Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:15 pm

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Pentagon faked arrival ceremonies honoring fallen soldiers

Published time: October 11, 2013

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The Pentagon has been holding phony “arrival” ceremonies for fallen soldiers at a base in Hawaii for over seven years, according to recent statements made by the United States Department of Defense to NBC News.

For nearly a decade, military personnel transported flag-draped coffins containing the bodies of troops killed in action from seemingly just-arrived cargo planes during ceremonies near hangar 35 at Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam.

In reality, however, the remains of those soldiers may have spent upwards of months in military custody before being paraded out during partially-fabricated ceremonial presentations carried out by the government’s Joint Prisoner of War Accounting Command, or JPAC.

Bill Dedman, an investigative reporter for NBC, said that the Pentagon confirmed this week “that no honored dead were in fact arriving, and that the planes used in the ceremonies often couldn't even fly but were towed into position.”

The Pentagon has since released a statement of its own clarifying the falsity of such events.

“These pre-planned ceremonies are symbolic in nature, with the purpose of honoring those Americans who made the ultimate sacrifice in support of our nation,” the Pentagon admitted.

“Part of the ceremony involves symbolically transferring the recovered remains from an aircraft to a vehicle for follow-on transportation to the lab. Many times, static aircraft are used for the ceremonies, as operational requirements dictate flight schedules and aircraft availability. This transfer symbolizes the arrival of our fallen service members. It is important to note that recovered remains ceremoniously transferred from the aircraft to the CIL vehicle have been in the lab undergoing forensic analysis to determine identity,” the statement continued.

World War II veteran Jesse Baker told Dedman that he attended at least 50 of the ceremonies, and always thought the bodies of his fellow servicemen were being saluted as soon as they returned on US soil from abroad.

"If I have been fooled, I am going to be a very pissed-off citizen, because I've been going for years," Baker said. "And I know a lot of guys who are going to be pissed off. ... They're out there honoring warriors."

Rick Stone, a former deputy chief with JPAC who spoke with Dedman for the NBC report, said the reality regarding the troops’ final arrival was much less sensational that the ceremonies suggest.

“When remains are brought back by JPAC staff, Stone said, they arrive from the airport in a plastic box in an employee's private vehicle, with no ceremony,” Dedman reported after meeting with him.

"It's an open fraud inside JPAC," Stone said of the ceremonies. "But it's more than just the arrival ceremony. The fraud is really their inability to bring closure to more families. Our noble mission is to go find some of these kids, and this thing is so fouled up we don't even recognize the mission."


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Pentagon admits to holding phony arrival ceremonies for soldiers' remains


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A joint service honor guard escorts a transfer case during an "arrival ceremony" at Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam in Honolulu on April 27, 2012.


Oct 12, 2013

The Department of Defense unit charged with recovering servicemembers’ remains abroad has been holding phony “arrival ceremonies” for seven years, with an honor guard carrying flag-draped coffins off of a cargo plane as though they held the remains returning that day from old battlefields.

The Pentagon acknowledged Wednesday that no honored dead were in fact arriving, and that the planes used in the ceremonies often couldn’t even fly, and were towed into position. The story was first reported on nbcnews.com.

The ceremonies at Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam in Hawaii are held up as a sign of the nation’s commitment to its fallen warriors. They have been attended by veterans and families of MIAs, led to believe that they were witnessing the return of Americans killed in World War II, Vietnam and Korea.

In a statement sent to NBC News, the Pentagon wrote:

“Part of the ceremony involves symbolically transferring the recovered remains from an aircraft to a vehicle for follow-on transportation to the lab. Many times, static aircraft are used for the ceremonies, as operational requirements dictate flight schedules and aircraft availability. This transfer symbolizes the arrival of our fallen servicemembers.

“It is important to note that recovered remains ceremoniously transferred from the aircraft to the [bus] have been in the lab undergoing forensic analysis to determine identity. When remains first arrive in Hawaii, JPAC cannot confirm if the remains are those of an American servicemember.”


NBC writes that the ceremonies have been known among some of the military and civilian staff at the base as The Big Lie.

The Joint POW/MIA Accounting Command, or JPAC, has come under intense scrutiny in recent months after two scathing reports were released this summer.

In July, The Associated Press ran a story exposing a 2012 internal JPAC report that found the agency to be “acutely dysfunctional” with some missions that amounted to little more than paid vacations for staffers.

A second investigation released weeks later by the Government Accountability Office found that Pentagon efforts to account for fallen troops missing overseas were inefficient and in need of overhaul, according to congressional sources.

In 2010, lawmakers mandated JPAC to reach an annual goal of recovering at least 200 fallen troops from overseas battlefields by 2015, but it had failed to build the capacity to do so, the GAO found. Currently the Hawaii-based command averages less than 70 individuals per year.

Much of the inefficiency found by the GAO researchers comes down to a turf war between JPAC and the Defense Prisoner of War/Missing Personnel Office, which shares some of the same responsibilities, Congressional sources said.

The show

According to the NBC report, here’s what the audience was shown:

A C-17 military transport aircraft was parked, its ramp down, outside a hangar at the base. After generals and dignitaries were introduced, a military chaplain said a prayer, the audience sang “The Star-Spangled Banner,” and “Taps” was played. Then an honor guard carried flag-draped transfer cases, which look like coffins, down the ramp and placed them in the back of blue buses, which were driven away.

The emcee thanked the audience for “welcoming them home.” The script continued, “After removal from the aircraft, the remains will be taken to the Joint POW/MIA Accounting Command’s Central Identification Laboratory. There, JPAC scientists will begin the identification process.”

Citing eyewitnesses and photographs taken behind the scenes, NBC wrote that what actually happened is very different:

Before 6 a.m., the honor guard assembled behind the JPAC headquarters on the base. They loaded transfer cases onto the buses and drove to the hangar.

The honor guard loaded the transfer cases into the pre-positioned C-17, then rehearsed for the ceremony. They then returned to the plane, and waited.

The public was allowed in for the 9 a.m. ceremony: invited politicians, media, families of the missing and veterans. Employees from JPAC were bused over to fill out the crowd.

Then the show began, with tears and salutes as the remains were marched to the buses, then driven off to the lab to “begin the identification process.”

Jesse Baker, an 81-year-old Air Force veteran of World War II and Korea living in Honolulu, told NBC News that he has been to more than 50 of these ceremonies. He said he’s always been under the impression that the plane had just arrived carrying recovered remains.

Baker tried to make sense of why the DOD would work so hard to trick him and other veterans. “That’s disturbing. I don’t know when they stopped being honest and switched over to this Mickey Mouse, but whoever did it, I hope they find him a new job somewhere.” Stars and Stripes

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Re: Pentagon faked arrival ceremonies honoring fallen soldie

Postby 82_28 » Sat Oct 12, 2013 11:05 pm

You never existed bitchez!

I am so worried that I am running out of contexts to say FUCK YOU.

Man, just amazing. Really. Our heroes don't really give a fuck whether the remains of someone they "fought along with" is in that goddamned casket? This place is a bag of tricks. Well fucking whatever, they do what they must. They can't even be honest motherfucking 2% of the fucking time when bringing in the remains of some scrub who bought your bullshit that warned him and her to not do it?

Just say "yeah bro, your dead relative isn't in this, but this is a nice reminder of the fact we're fucking corporatist dicks and when we click a button he or she just dies and we place emptiness into these things you mortals call coffins."

There is something way too fucked up about this to go on about for now.
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Re: Pentagon faked arrival ceremonies honoring fallen soldie

Postby justdrew » Sun Oct 13, 2013 1:56 am

good to see ya around 'cudda



next we'll hear bush improperly performed the sacrifices to Jupiter. :eeyaa
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Re: Pentagon faked arrival ceremonies honoring fallen soldie

Postby justdrew » Sun Oct 13, 2013 2:46 am

all humor asside. a couple things...

where are these remains coming from? Is this still repatriations from French Indochina?

I don't see any great Intent to Deceive here, far from it, they were/are providing 'ceremonies' - an inherently symbolic activity. The "upset ones" seem to be attendees who feel they're getting ripped off since the remains have already been back and worked on to identify, and they wanted to get "peak merits" for saluting the second they land. It's a subtle distinction and I'm sorry, but I find it cry-baby entitled bullshit. The remains arrive when they arrive. Do they want called at midnight saying a plane will be landing with remains at 3:03 on runway 4-2? come on. I mean, come on. If these upset ones want to really make a difference, donate some money to families of the dead. and/or don't turn solemn ceremonies into another excuse for rage-aholics to binge on.
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Postby conniption » Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:46 am

justdrew wrote:all humor asside. a couple things...

where are these remains coming from? Is this still repatriations from French Indochina?

I don't see any great Intent to Deceive here, far from it, they were/are providing 'ceremonies' - an inherently symbolic activity. The "upset ones" seem to be attendees who feel they're getting ripped off since the remains have already been back and worked on to identify, and they wanted to get "peak merits" for saluting the second they land. It's a subtle distinction and I'm sorry, but I find it cry-baby entitled bullshit. The remains arrive when they arrive. Do they want called at midnight saying a plane will be landing with remains at 3:03 on runway 4-2? come on. I mean, come on. If these upset ones want to really make a difference, donate some money to families of the dead. and/or don't turn solemn ceremonies into another excuse for rage-aholics to binge on.




Yeah...WTH! Who needs to empathize with a bunch of dead soldiers or their families or the people who honor them? Come on. I mean, come on.

Here's a link to the full article from NBC (so you know it's not just another RT/PressTV propaganda piece):

Pentagon unit held 'phony' ceremonies for MIAs, using planes that can't fly - nbc news


...talk about rage-aholics.
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Re: Pentagon faked arrival ceremonies honoring fallen soldie

Postby elfismiles » Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:48 am

Symoblic or no ... fake is fake

What a fucking fucked up world (that's for you 82 - yer right, fewer and fewer, yet somehow more and more, opportunities to say "fuck!"

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I understand that funerals and ceremonies are symbolic for the living but ... come on! Fake aircraft, fake remains, stage-managed events likely for political gain. lower than fucking low...

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Postby Elihu » Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:48 am

all humor asside. a couple things...

where are these remains coming from? Is this still repatriations from French Indochina?

I don't see any great Intent to Deceive here, far from it, they were/are providing 'ceremonies' - an inherently symbolic activity.


fake is fake lower than low so hardened some wells of contempt have run dry. seriously what would it take for you to call bullsh!t on the demorepublicratocans? not that it would make any difference. that cathartic moment would only reveal the horror that your consent has been irrelevant all along. the manipulation delivers practical passivity in the face of ongoing destruction. and yet, with a tiny rightly placed tickle, rabble can be whipped into an aggressive defense of a tiny fraction of the leviathan to which they have an emotional attachment. like a binky or something. children that are never going to grow up. imo anyway. i'm saluting the bones right now!!!!
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Postby jcivil » Sun Oct 13, 2013 12:21 pm

Fake is fake? Who cares about some doddering old VFW losers. They want to honor warriors? They got suckered and want to honor other suckerees? The fact is,


DEAD IS DEAD


That the ceremony is a lie fits nicely into the hollow lies they died and killed for.

Or, as Hank Kissinger opined:
“Military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy.”

Yep, anyway, the DoD owes me a new pair of panties
since this story made me soil them laughing
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Re: Pentagon faked arrival ceremonies honoring fallen soldie

Postby barracuda » Sun Oct 13, 2013 12:33 pm

conniption » Sun Oct 13, 2013 4:46 am wrote:Who needs to empathize with a bunch of dead soldiers or their families or the people who honor them? Come on. I mean, come on.


I try not to, as hard as the State works to make this empathy essentially mandatory. Your empathy feeds the processes that perpetuate the propaganda machine that makes this sham work so well.

According to the JPAC mission schedule, about four investigation and recovery missions per year are based in Laos, the site of the largest CIA covert war before Afghanistan, and the most heavily bombed country per capita in the history of the world:

From 1964 to 1973, the U.S. dropped more than two million tons of ordnance on Laos during 580,000 bombing missions—equal to a planeload of bombs every 8 minutes, 24-hours a day, for 9 years – making Laos the most heavily bombed country per capita in history. The bombings were part of the U.S. Secret War in Laos to support the Royal Lao Government against the Pathet Lao and to interdict traffic along the Ho Chi Minh Trail. The bombings destroyed many villages and displaced hundreds of thousands of Lao civilians during the nine-year period.


Naturally, Operation Barrel Roll and the illegal presence of US forces in Laos was inextricably tied to the CIA's ongoing heroin business:

n his 1972 book, McCoy concluded that “American diplomats and secret agents have been involved in the narcotics traffic at three levels: (1) coincidental complicity by allying with groups actively engaged in the drug traffic; (2) abetting the traffic by covering up for known heroin traffickers and condoning their involvement; (3) and active engagement in the transport of opium and heroin. It is ironic, to say the least, that America’s heroin plague is of its own making.”

The CIA has long denied that Air America transported heroin out of Laos. Thus, in a letter printed in the November 22, 1990 New York Review of Books, William Colby, the CIA’s Far East division chief in 1962-68 and CIA director in 1973-76, protested against such allegations. In a reply printed in the same issue of the NYRB, Jonathan Mirsky, east Asia editor of the London Times, noted that an article cited by Colby “to exonerate the agency and ‘the good people of the Hmong’, says that opium was the Hmong people’s ‘cash crop’ and that the Americans ‘inevitably became embroiled in the complex world of the Laotian narcotics business’. The CIA’s ‘client generals’ says the article, energetically traded in heroin, and the CIA ‘turned a blind eye’. Since the suppliers, the Hmong, were also CIA clients, what I said is hardly ‘a canard about the good people of the Hmong’ or about the CIA.


To rather cunningly and selectively quote from the CIA's own website,

    every plane in Laos undoubtedly carried opium at some time

Unfortunately, the devastation of the Hmong people, the destruction of Laos, and the killing and maiming of thousands of Laotians continues to this day:

Between the years 1964 and 1973, the United States flew more than half a million bombing missions, delivering more than two million tons of explosive ordnance, in an attempt to block the flow of North Vietnamese arms and troops through Laotian territory. The ordnance dropped include more than 266 million submunitions (known as “bombies” in Lao) released from cluster bombs.

Significant land battles, including those during the war for independence during the French colonial era and between the Pathet Lao and the Royal Lao forces, also contributed vast quantities of unexploded heavy bombs, rockets, grenades, artillery munitions, mortars, anti-personnel landmines, and improvised explosive devices.

It is estimated that up to 30% of all ordnance did not explode. Such unexploded ordnance (UXO) continues to remain in the ground, maiming and killing people, and hindering socio-economic development and food security.

CLUSTER MUNITIONS PROBLEM

In excess of 270 million
Estimated number of sub-munitions (bombies) from cluster bombs dropped over Lao PDR between 1964 and 1973.

30%
Estimated failure rate of sub-munitions under ideal conditions.

80 million
Estimated number of sub-munitions that failed to explode.

446,711 or 0.55%
Number or percentage of estimated unexploded sub-munitions destroyed by UXO LAO from 1996 to May 2010.


So while JPAC employs upwards of four hundred persons to find, recover, and identify bone fragments possibly belonging to "our heroes" - AKA spook drug dealers - you've got to wonder how many Pentagon personnel are employed toward the creation of a UXO-free Laos. And while JPAC repatriates roughly 70 unidentified remains per year, still in Laos there are an average of 300 UXO accidents annually, with roughly fifty percent of the casualties children, sadly fascinated by the toylike appearance of the cluster bomblets littering the countryside.

Like fucking zombies, these skeletal war criminals still shamble across the land, devouring the flesh of the living.

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Re: Pentagon faked arrival ceremonies honoring fallen soldie

Postby brainpanhandler » Sun Oct 13, 2013 1:41 pm

elfismiles » Sun Oct 13, 2013 12:07 pm wrote:
barracuda » 13 Oct 2013 16:33 wrote:Like fucking zombies, these skeletal war criminals still shamble across the land, devouring the flesh of the living.

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Out of context that doesn't make much sense. Even in context it's not a good example of cuda's normally clear and vivid poetics.
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Re: Pentagon faked arrival ceremonies honoring fallen soldie

Postby Elihu » Sun Oct 13, 2013 4:10 pm

omygosh, has anyone thought to look inside the fake set prop coffins? it occurs that they just might be full of dope! sweet. why miss an opportunity to profit while killing?
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Re: Pentagon faked arrival ceremonies honoring fallen soldie

Postby Nordic » Mon Oct 14, 2013 2:56 am

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Okay, this may be off topic, but I just had the startling realization that the UFO I saw as a child was pretty much that exact same shape and pattern.

Back to your regularly scheduled conversation.
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Re: Pentagon faked arrival ceremonies honoring fallen soldie

Postby Elihu » Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:14 am

Nordic wrote:Image

Okay, this may be off topic, but I just had the startling realization that the UFO I saw as a child was pretty much that exact same shape and pattern.

Back to your regularly scheduled conversation.


that's awesome! and i would be remiss if i did not thank barracuda for his post and apologize to drew for how incredibly disgustingly rude i am. i amaze myself sometimes more frequently than i care to admit comfort with
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Re: Pentagon faked arrival ceremonies honoring fallen soldie

Postby elfismiles » Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:09 pm

brainpanhandler » 13 Oct 2013 17:41 wrote:
elfismiles » Sun Oct 13, 2013 12:07 pm wrote:
barracuda » 13 Oct 2013 16:33 wrote:Like fucking zombies, these skeletal war criminals still shamble across the land, devouring the flesh of the living.

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Out of context that doesn't make much sense. Even in context it's not a good example of cuda's normally clear and vivid poetics.


Fair enuf ... apologies to the offended.
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