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Re: More Stargate Conspiracy Stuff

Postby ivanbo2003 » Tue Jul 04, 2006 8:25 am

Hey Joe <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>I was always fascinated with the Genesis 6 and its meaning.<br>After a few years of digging,i found it to be exactly what it said.I don't want to off topic a lot here,just to say i don't believe in theory that "aliens" are our creators.It always comes down to one "thing" or one man <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> in the end(at least in our eartly way of thinking).So my conclusion is that it all comes down to One power that created all(even those "shining ones"-the Nephillim).The ways of knowing the truth are various,but the best way is experiencing it .I am 100% sure we will all experience the truth at some point in our lives.Sooner or later,there will be no more secrets.<br>Are we ready for it? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: More Stargate Conspiracy Stuff

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:04 am

Ultimately its one thing. Whatever created existence created the universe to be exactly as it is.<br><br>I am not into creationism per se...<br><br>Things evolve. Situations people, why not species? I certainly don't like the idea of aliens creating humans. Doesn't fit with my vision of what the "stewardship" that mankind has means.<br><br>But as my catholic science genius mum, who teaches biology once said:<br><br>"Whats more wondrous setting up evolution, or setting up things exactly as they are? What is more Godlike, what more human?" Words to that effect.<br><br>But then again, until we started flying, and even today that bit above us is referred to as the heavens. Not necessarily cos the aliens that created us come from there, but cos they are as close to infinite as we can see, and whatever God is is on the other side of the sky.<br><br>But even if stargates and aliens from Zeta reticuli do exist, that doesn't automatically make them our creators. Where did that idea come from, oh thats right...<br><br>From the opposite perspective - there is a surprising amount of private support for the idea of alien interaction with earth in the past, among people who may not be public about their support.<br><br>Apparantly there is a real thread of acceptance in academic anthropological circles from the pre Von Danikin era that support the notion of non human intelligences, not from earth, beig here. These are the rumours I heard years ago...<br><br>They don't necessarily support the idea that aliens created humanity.<br><br>I don't think the French clowns involved with the Dogon have anything to do with that hypothetical group, but again I am not sure.<br><br>I wouldn't be so sure that any non human intelligence I come across is automatically a demon from hell trying for my soul.<br><br>Perhaps some are. I dunno. I think the stargate thing is also a metaphor for an internal process. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: More Stargate Conspiracy Stuff

Postby ivanbo2003 » Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:21 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I wouldn't be so sure that any non human intelligence I come across is automatically a demon from hell trying for my soul.<br><br>Perhaps some are. I dunno. I think the stargate thing is also a metaphor for an internal process.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Yep,there are good ones there ,for sure.I just don't think of them as a superior to us( or as biological entities).<br>The other thread about BiosPhere UFOs is very interesting and kinda supportive of idea that UFOs are maybe not nu&bolt crafts,but more as "plasmatic"(what ever that means <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> ).<br><br>Cheers,nice thoughts <p></p><i></i>
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Re: More Stargate Conspiracy Stuff

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Jul 04, 2006 11:16 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The other thread about BiosPhere UFOs <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>What threads that? I missed that one. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: More Stargate Conspiracy Stuff

Postby LilyPatToo » Tue Jul 04, 2006 1:56 pm

This interests me, since I still hang out at a UFO/alien abduction site quite a bit and the subject comes up often, as I'm sure you can imagine. What I say to the alien creators True Believers is -- if they created us, then they also created bananas and fieldmice, since we share so many, many of the same genes...yet I never hear any myths of the alien creation of bananas or fieldmice.<br><br>I've been a paleoanthropology buff for a very long time and anyone who tells you that the peer-reviewed scientific literature cannot demonstrate a fairly complete picture of the evolution of homo sapiens sapiens from an ancient primate-like critter is either mis- or disinformed or a liar. Or in denial.<br><br>HOWEVER....evolution appears to work in fits and starts, not in a perfectly smooth progression, since it depends so much on mutations to kickstart a major change, which leaves open (to me, at least) the possibility that we have been tinkered with now and then. Of course, that possible tinkering by an outsider could have taken place once, many times or not at all.<br><br>Budd Hopkins and his wife Carol Rainey wrote a book called "Sight Unseen" in which, among other things, they discuss the subject of the possible current, ongoing mixing of genes between the human race and aliens. Budd describes cases he's investigated that dealt with very unusual humans and his wife then fills us in on the closest human science has come to being able to duplicate it.<br><br>They call what they're seeing "transgenic" rather than hybridization. The supposition is that very fine genetic transfers may be happening, rather than humans coupling with aliens in sweaty interspecies sex. Genetic manipulation that is sufficiently advanced compared to our own might produce very human-looking beings who had interesting invisible differences--say in intellect or psy ability. <br><br>And I know from first-hand experience that at least one element of the US military is very, very interested in the genetics of people who believe they've had contact with aliens, since I suffered through many years of MILABs that always included a GYN exam and so have many other people--look at Leah Haley's writings for more information. This isn't as cool as discussing stargates or ancient astronauts, but at least it's reality-based and should be accessible to investigation.<br><br>LilyPat <p></p><i></i>
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Re: More Stargate Conspiracy Stuff

Postby ivanbo2003 » Tue Jul 04, 2006 6:58 pm

Joe ,it's this one:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessage?topicID=4995.topic">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...4995.topic</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: More Stargate Conspiracy Stuff

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:29 pm

Yeah Ivan i thought it might be after I posted. My puter is too old and slow and frusyttrating to bother with video downloads at the mo. Upgrade is on the cards (where did that saying come from BTW) so it won't be forever.<br><br>Spewin' tho cos ameobic plasmic type weirdness fits my UFO POV better than tin ships and greys stealing my DNA.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I've been a paleoanthropology buff for a very long time and anyone who tells you that the peer-reviewed scientific literature cannot demonstrate a fairly complete picture of the evolution of homo sapiens sapiens from an ancient primate-like critter is either mis- or disinformed or a liar. Or in denial.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Lils, I don't think that the cases I was referring to are talking about the aliens interfering in our evolution or being responsible for it. There was an old Cambridge Don called Lethbridge, C Wilson refers to him, as one example. He apparantly had some weird opinions on the whole alien human interaction thing that he never wanted to make punlic, for fear of ridicule. And he was published (after he retired) on a whole range of weirdness, I have one book where he talks about his experiments with Pendulums.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>if they created us, then they also created bananas and fieldmice, since we share so many, many of the same genes<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Dunno about the mice (but see the hitch hikers guide to the galaxy), however Bananas have some weirdness about them.<br><br>Don't remember the details, but an organic farmer (I think it was him) told me once about the strangeness of Banana's. Something about them not fitting any fossil record or evolutionary pattern. Just one more piece of weird info I have picked up over the years.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>And I know from first-hand experience that at least one element of the US military is very, very interested in the genetics of people who believe they've had contact with aliens, since I suffered through many years of MILABs that always included a GYN exam and so have many other people--look at Leah Haley's writings for more information.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Dunno if you have read that attempt at a thread called "We drink elixers we have refined...". One of the things I was thinking about when i started it was the use of humans to produce endogenous psychoactive chemicals.<br><br>Dunno if you can see a link between your experiences and that particular minor obsession of mine. But if you can... <p></p><i></i>
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Re: More Stargate Conspiracy Stuff

Postby ivanbo2003 » Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:57 pm

Joe,i copy/pasted the info from the third link in the Nasa thread(the one woth google video).<br>Intersting stuff.I am downloading two massive videos from google (the sequels to the NASA:Smoking gun)<br><br>Here it goes:<br><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>UFO Amoebas<br><br><br>UFO researcher Trevor James Constable, in a quest to understand better the elusive UFO phenomenon, began using infra-red film in an otherwise ordinary camera. Constable discovered that<br><br> "Infrared film, exposed between dawn and sunrise in high, dry locales will frequently objectify invisible objects of various kinds living in and passing through the atmosphere." [p.51]<br><br>His results were extraordinary. Not only were conventional discs and spacecraft-like forms captured on film, but amazing ameoboid entities. Commenting on these, and describing his own astonishment and surprise, Trevor Constable, in his provocative and profound autobiographical book, "The Cosmic Pulse of Life", refers to<br><br> "...the unwelcome nature of these photographs....These living creatures, these bioforms, were neither what we wanted nor what we expected. We wanted spacecraft. At that time we stood in ignorance of any biological element in UFOs....In the intervening years I have observed with interest and fascination the disquieting, disturbing effect (the photos and film) have on all persons whose approach to UFOs is mechanistic. This experience has taught me that purported scientific "objectivity" is a fiction..." [pp83-4]<br><br>Constable had many unpleasant experiences with people - scientists and others - who were deeply threatened by his photographic evidence. So widespread and dramatic were these reactions that he assumed, following William Reich, an actual neurotic aversion on the part of the "establishment" towards the life-force.<br><br>This may indeed well be the case, but there is an additional overlapping factor. As the historian of science Thomas Kuhn pointed out in his classic work, The Nature of Scientific Revolutions, Science as such is more concerned with confirming already established theories, or paradigms, than with facing new evidence. Such evidence - anomalies - is swept under the carpet, and the new theories or paradigm explaining it rejected, until a new generation of scientists come along who are willing to accept the new position. The result is a "scientific revolution", and the establishment of a new paradigm. Thus, to give some classic examples, the heliocentric (sun-centred) cosmology of Copernicus was only accepted over the old Ptolemaic geocentric (earth-centred) model of the universe after much resistence, although the celebrated trial of Galileo, who supported the Copernican theory, by the Church, was more a matter of personal politics. Another, more recent, example: the "new physics" of Plank, Einstein, Bohr, de Brolgie, Shroedinger, and others, became a new paradigm that replaced, with rather greater ease, the old Newtonian physics.<br><br>An example could also be given of a "paradigm that failed". In the late sixties and early seventies it really seemed as if the data of parapsychology, so painstakingly accumulated by J. B. Rhine and his successors, would soon be assimilated into mainstream scientific thinking. For Psi- phenomena are no more strange - and often a great deal less so! - than some of the wierd and wonderful implications of Quantum physics. But such was not to be, and parapsychology soon reverted back to the reviled status of "psuedoscience".<br><br>The trouble with paraspychology is that, though harmless enough in itself, it would have very quickly lead ton other far more threatening things, like occult and psychic phenomena and realities. Thus it was unacceptable for all reasons. And Constable's bio-UFO evidence would seem to be equally threatening, and thus it was rejected in an equally irrational way.<br><br>So, it is not that science is irrational. Science is rational; within the compass of the paradigm of the day. But once it moves beyond those limits, it becomes an irrational dogma, Scientism.<br><br>But let us ret'urn to Constables UFOs, and the contrast between the bioforms and the spacecraft.<br><br>The so-called "spacecraft" are just as "etheric" as the bioforms; as they "are built of matter of the etheric plane..." [p.203], and powered by the life- force, what William Reich calls "orgone energy". Their builders are, Constable tells us, a race of intelligent and benign beings, the "etherians", whose world is the same as our world, except it is of a higher vibratory level [pp201-3]. The craft become visible and tangible when they materialise into our own world [p.203].<br><br>Now, the subject of UFO-beings is a very important one, and I wouldlike to go into this in greater detail at some point. But for now I would say that I do not accept the idea of etheric human-type people in actual vehicles. The situation is much more complex than that. For what we are dealing with here are parallel orders of evolution - "ultraterrestrials" to use John Keel's useful term - which are closer to the "devic" or nature-spirit than the human evolution. Yet inasmuch as any contact with these kingdoms takes place through the subconscious of the person concerned, they would tend to be modified and anthropomorp,hised by that subconscious, just as in a dream one's thoughts and complexes appear as actual people.<br><br>What we have therefore are at least two primary types of phenomena; two "kingdoms" of etheric beings; one more intelligent ("a level of intelligence...far above...that of contemporary humanity" [p.289-9<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 0] --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/alien.gif ALT="0]"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> ), the other less (of a low order of consciousness, on about the same plane as fish" [p.29<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 0] --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/alien.gif ALT="0]"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> ).<br><br>And as Constable points out:<br><br> "In the mode of their manifestation to mankind, spacecraft [i.e. the more intelligent kingdom] and biological UFOs [the less intelligent kingdom] have been mutually confused...down to this day...No comprehensive theory can ever be formulated concerning UFOs that does not include biological UFOs..." [p.86; also c.f. p.10<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 0] --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/alien.gif ALT="0]"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>It is the less intelligent and more obviously organic kingdom that is of interest to us here.<br><br> "The existence of these organisms seems to be essentially plasmatic, i.e. having their form expressed in heat substance. They travel in pulsatory fashion, swelling and shrinking cyclically as they move through the air..." [p.84]<br> "Being plasmatic, they are capable of returning radar echoes, and often do...Motion pictures we made verify that these plasmatic organisms are capable of velocities and changes in shape and size that render worthless any attempt to handle them with the mechanistic mode of mentation" [p.85]<br> "Pulsation of these biological aeroforms - the natural and ineviitable concomitant of life is pulsation - provided further...confusion (for those) with mechanical notions. The pulsation was interpreted wherever seen...as due to the "power source" or "power system" of the UFO. The concept that such pulsation was equivalent to man's own heartbeat (was never considered)..." [p.10<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 0] --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/alien.gif ALT="0]"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br> "...Prompted by observed pulsations of UFOs sighted at high altitudes by its pilots, the USAF once broached the idea of "space animals" in a public release dated 27 April 1949, stating that the objects appeared to act more like animals than anything else.<br> The airmen who observed these aeroforms...expressed the feeling that they were living organisms..." [p.34]<br><br>Describing Trevor Constable's photographs in his book Uninvited Visitors, the investigator of paranormal phenomena Ivan T. Sanderson said:<br><br> "Be they Unidentified Aerial Objects or Unidentified Aerial Phenomena, they don't look like machines at all. They look to a biologist horribly like unicelluar lifeforms, complete in some cases with nuclei, nucleoli, vacuoles and all the rest. Some are even amoebic in form...." [p.128]<br><br>Amoebic. Indeed, it is clear even from the still photographs that these organisms are very like amoebas in shape (fig. coming).<br><br>Referring to a segment of six frames of movie fillm (part of a larger sequence shot in 195<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> , Trevor Constable says that<br><br> "The objects are seen to come and go, change their shape, number and position all in this brief period. Ships from other planets? The scene is more like the action perceivable through a microscope!" [p.101]"<br><br>Yet they are also entities of pure life-force, lacking physical bodies, and of huge size. Trevor Constable suggests a new science "of macrobiology, or even macrobacteria" [p.129]; the prefix "macro-" indicating the huge size of these organisms.<br><br>It seems here that we have an actual description of Blavatsky's "Polarian" Root Race - large size, amoeboid form, and etheric nature - from a writer who, although cogniscent with Rudolph Steiner's work, only mentions Blavatsky's name and "Theosophy" once in passing [p.242], and although sympathetically, without familiarity.<br><br>The implication seems to be that these bioforms are "living fossils" of the original Polarian era, just as bacteria and blue-greem algae alive together have herdly changed in thtree billion years. It is apparent therefore that the "Polarians" are not specifically human ancestors, a human "root race". Rather, they are life ancestors, a life "root race".<br><br>We can assume that the life forces, before focusing and incarnating in physical form, first existed at a purely etheric or pranic level. At this level they evolved into actual organisms: the "polarians" (Blavatsky) or "critters" (Constable). Being purely etheric, they were not dependent on the narrow range of physical conditions that fragile physical protoplasm is. We can assume that, as Blavatsky puts it, "they could not be affected by any elements - flood or fire". They may have originally ranged widely through the universe, and presumably still do.<br><br>On Earth though, the appearance of macromolocules and simple organic life actualised a new possibility in this corner of the universe: the evolution of physical life. So there was a movement of these etheric formations down into the physical processes of life.<br><br>Many esoteric philosophies talk of souls progressively incarnating. Edgar Cayce speaks of souls travelling through the universe before coming to Earth, desiring physical pleasures in the already existing animals, and so incarnating in them. Other people, influenced by the materialistic Von Danniken "ancient astronaut" mythos, claimed that people came from other planets originally, and were marooned or trapped here; or that they came from higher worlds of light and descended into these gross bodies.<br><br>All these accounts can be taken as symbolic, as racial or psychic memories; perhaps multifaceted in nature, "complexes", in that each memory is a synthesis of a whole cluster of superficially similiar even if quite distinct events. The descent of the Higher Self or Divine Soul into the cycle of material existence; the movement of "polarians" or "critters" into the first physical life; the incarnation of the emotion-principle (the emotional or astral body) and later the intellectual principle into higher invertebrate and vertebrate life; perhaps an actual science-fiction extraterrestrial genetic experiement, a la Von Danniken and his sucessors; and the "past-life" history of the particular person who comes up with those particular ideas (why could not the soul first incarnate in one world or plane, and then another?); all these possibilities, although distinct, can still be linked together, and even confused clairvoyantly or in the person's subconscious, where they become a complex or archetype, or a cluster of such, of "the incarnation of the consciousness in these physical bodies". <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=ivanbo2003>ivanbo2003</A> at: 7/4/06 8:00 pm<br></i>
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Re: More Stargate Conspiracy Stuff

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:40 pm

Cheers for that. It makes alot of sense to me.<br><br>I actually read a letter once, it was sent into the Fortean Times by a reader. They had actually seen the letter in a Trinidad newspaper I think. So they forwarded it to the FT.<br><br>The individual who wrote the letter was describing exactly what seems to be the result of the photos or footage constable took. or maybe not exactly, but similar. It also looks like the pattern you see when looking at blue sky. I assume those patterns are due to refraction and defraction through fluid around the eyeballs, simply cos they tend to change with my own eye movements, but don't seem independant.<br><br>However there have been times when I have seen a similar thing in the sky, in a particular place. It maintained its presence from different angles and positions, and its movement seemed independant of what I was doing.<br><br>One particular occasion was 26 Jan 2001. I saw something huge and weird that day. I mean huge, bigger than a storm system by far. I remember because I had heard that 100000 people died in an earthquake that day in India. That night while the earthquake happened I had some very singular and memorable dreams.<br><br>I have since found no reference to this earthquake, tho I haven't looked that hard.<br><br>Many shamanic types refer to thought forms, bioplasmic etheric entities that have a relationship with the energy produced by certain human thought. These cthonic entities attatch tentacles to the hara paoint and other so called "energy centres" on humans. This way they can directly control thought processes and feed on them.<br><br>The only ref I ever found in literature to this was by a Mexican New Age writer Louis de Lama. On so many levels he seems sus, but on others not so sus, on others his opinions and mine converge so completely its even more sus. So my jury is still out on whether he is full of shit or not. <p></p><i></i>
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re:more stargate conspiracy stuff

Postby rain » Tue Jul 04, 2006 11:42 pm

"bioplasmic etheric entities that have a relationship with the energy produced by certain human thought. These cthonic entities attatch tentacles to the hara point and other so called "energy centres" on humans. This way they can directly control thought processes and feed on them"<br><br>in a nutshell, Joe.<br><br>"... intelligent and benign beings..." <br>where have I heard that before ? <br>oh wait, one place would be Greer and his mil. buddies.<br><br>yep, what you don't know, can't hurt them. well, not that I'd want to hurt anything, but I sure am tired of being down on the farm.<br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: re:more stargate conspiracy stuff

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Wed Jul 05, 2006 1:24 am

Those thoughtforms are certainly not benign.<br><br>Thoughtforms that come from positive and "good" thoughts exist too. they are just as parasitic although the consequences of their parasitism, are benefical usually...<br><br>The idea is to be in control of your thoughts no matter what they are. if you feed thoughtforms, then be in control of the process, not at its mercy.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>well, not that I'd want to hurt anything, but I sure am tired of being down on the farm.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I think you are better off on the farm. I know I am...<br><br>"Well the moon is broken, and the sky is cracked.<br>Come on up to the house." <p></p><i></i>
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Thanks JD for posting and Dreams End for recommending

Postby bamabecky » Sat Jul 08, 2006 10:29 am

It has taken me days to read this. I came across some END TIME believers that have studied and written books about Genesis 6, the giants, transgenics, stargates, etc. From them I learned about Patrick Heron's book about <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>The Nephilim</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->, Stan Deyo's (standeyo.com) work with the Illuminati helping them engineer UFO's and Tom Horn's fiction on transgenics. All of it has been very interesting to me.<br>Bama <p>Be the Media! Write a personal essay to your friends and family, telling them what's going on and tell them how and where to find more info.</p><i></i>
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more on Brown

Postby Dreams End » Sat Jul 08, 2006 1:18 pm

The second link by JD is a goldmine, as I've mentioned. Got me interested in Courtney Brown. Wish I had more time to research this. <br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.courtneybrown.com/index.html">Courtney Brown</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> is a political scientist at Emory University who works on very sophisticated nonlinear models of social change. Specifically, he is interested in "catastrophe theory". Just started reading but it looks like catastrophe theory is the idea of using the math of chaotic systems to develop nonlinear models of social change which specifically have "catastrophe" points..<br><br>It's complex and I'm a newbie, but one example he uses is the voting patterns that brought the Nazis to power in Weimar germany. Yep. (Not that he calls this a good thing....) <br><br><br><br>A mathematical "catastrophe" in a social change model does not, I assume, have to be a bad thing. It's just a sudden major change in social dynamics that results from the workings of nonlinear forces in a chaotic system.<br><br>Okley dokley...so what the hell? He ALSO runs <br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.farsight.org/index.html">The Farsight Institute</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> which teaches "remote viewing." You can download an 18 hour audio course for free, or get a personal trainer. I'm gonna skip the personal trainer myself. But you can click on a link to see who some of them are...fascinating and someone should pursue this further. (seriously, google them) One higher up is named "Joey Jerome"...likely a pseudonym based on of all things a Superman character who lived on a desert island for 25 years and stayed sane by telling stories to animals about a fictional Superman only to find that Superman was real. Here's what Superman says to him:<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br> It may be that your unconscious mind is closely<br>"tuned in" with the progress of events so that you<br>have the ability to figure out what will happen next<br>on earth from what's happened already! Take the fact <br>that you knew about Superman--even though you were<br>lost before he made himself known--there were reports<br>of a Superbaby 25 years ago--just like reports of<br>flying saucers today--! You just realized the baby<br>would one day grow to be a man and go public!<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br><br>Anyway, you can also <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.courtneybrown.com/publications/speculativenonfictionpubs.html">download</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> both of Brown's books about how using RV has shown a race of Martians living on the earth.<br><br>In the article JD linked to the writer speculates that these books, very "out there" and should be (though like John Mack, are not) threats to his academic career, may have been experiments in political science....propagating idiosyncratic ideas (they have to be "out there" or you won't be able to follow them "in the wild".) to track their effects on...well...us.<br><br>I think this is not only likely, but I think that it's an excellent avenue for research. I could be wrong and Brown could just be a political scientist who models sudden and dramatic social change with sophisticated mathematical analysis and just HAPPENS to believe martians are on the earth and just happens to teach remote viewing.<br><br>More work should be done on "remote viewing" as well. That is, whatever use it was put to in the military, it's civilian forms look more cultish to me. But that's uninformed speculation for now.<br><br>Anyway, my working hypothesis is that Brown and who knows how many others use chaos theory to model social change and are involved in various experiments to put this knowledge to use. I'm no mathematician, but chaos theory says that chaos, despite it's name, can be modeled mathematically. <br><br>Within chaotic systems are " attractors", areas that seem to shape the chaos...to create loca bits of "order". IN chaotic systems, little fluctuations can create big differences in outcomes but attractors are parts of the system or end points of the process that become resistant to such little changes...thus creating stability of a kind.<br><br>So, here's my far out theory of the day. These guys are trying to create attractors. They are working on how to introduce small and sometimes subtle changes in a very complex, chaotic system (formerly known as "the world") for specific results. Perhaps it is still at the experimental stage and they just do this stuff to see what happens. But I don't think so.<br><br>This theory suggests that the model they use is that a small number of people whose beliefs have been manipulated in some way can have "catastrophic" effects on a social system...can create sudden, lasting and dramatic social changes. <br><br>This might explain at least one thing I've been stuck on. While it always seemed apparent to me that elite types were for some reason manipulating belief systems by mucking about in New Age circles...it seemed to me like we are nowhere near a day when all of a sudden everyone will convert. In other words...what's the point? <br><br>I think this may point to an answer. The idea is not to go out in a linear fashion and "convert" people, the idea is to put out ideas that can become "attractors". They are thinking about how to create "catastrophic" change deliberately. Remember, "catastrophic" here is a math term....<br><br>HOWEVER, by convenience of language, some of this experiment most certainly revolves around the idea of impending "catastrophe" in the normal sense of the word. It's what the "aliens" teach and what many 2012 type new agers promote. It's the 11:11. It's the end times.<br><br>In order to effectively manipulate chaos, I imagine you first have to stress the system...like boiling water. At first it just sits there. Then it boils chaotically with no pattern but after awhile, if you watch, you'll see order again. <br><br>So it makes sense that a sense of impending doom, from whatever source, would help stress the system...make it malleable and more chaotic.<br><br>THis is total rambling but the idea is that you do the following if you are one of the elites and needing to insure a new social order that keeps your elite status safe. Chaos can be messy in social systems. Heads get chopped off if you aren't careful.<br><br>1. Stress the system. With fears of impending doom/alien invasion/bird flu/end times. Toss in some real world chaos, perhaps waves of "columbines" or "9/11's" or 7/7's. Keep the population scared and looking for answers.<br><br>2. Seed the system. Like crystals, you have to seed the attractors. This can be done with a combination of new belief systems and a core group of devotees...cultish or even outright MC victims. In this way, looking at overt propaganda may have us looking in the wrong direction. The chaos system says such a sledgehammer approach is not what creates sudden social change.<br><br>I would have assumed that, though mathematicians and social scientists might accept chaos theory as a model...a way to look BACK on changes that have happened, that this model would NOT be something you could use to create a specific desired change. But maybe they think they can.<br><br>Maybe they are doing it now.<br><br>I present my first, very, very tenuous piece of evidence. One of the RV instructors on the site goes by the name of "Joey Jerome." A likely pseudonym (or really weird coincidnce), Joey Jerome is the name of a character in Superman who is trapped on a desert island for 25 years. Here's the wikipedia entry:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>A man who spent twenty-five years on a desert island with only animals as companions. He would spend his days telling stories of Superman to the animals, but amazingly the man was unaware that Superman was in fact real or that the stories which he told were the actual exploits of the Man of Steel. In May 1975 "Joey" Jerome is telling his animal friends of Superman's effort to disarm a "solar bomb" unware that as his story unfolds the events he describes are actually unfolding nearby. When Superman stumbles upon Jerome on his island, Jerome exclaims, "Superman! But you're a figment of my imagination! You don't really exist." Once Superman learns of Jerome's amazing ability to tell his adventures as they happen he ask Jerome to resume his story and tell the animals how he deals with the bomb. As Jerome continues his tale Superman flies off and carries out his actions just as Jerome describes them as he first prevents a swarm of navy jets from detonating the bomb in a misguided attempt to destroy it and then draws the bombs across the time barrier before it detonates.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>He's a remote viewer, right? So it makes sense. Except that this is not the explanation Clark Kent offers. Kent says:<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>It may be that your unconscious mind is closely<br>"tuned in" with the progress of events so that you<br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>have the ability to figure out what will happen next<br>on earth from what's happened already!</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> Take the fact <br>that you knew about Superman--even though you were<br>lost before he made himself known--there were reports<br>of a Superbaby 25 years ago--<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>just like reports of<br>flying saucers today</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->--! You just realized the baby<br>would one day grow to be a man and go public!<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Jerome is not a remote viewer. He's a political scientist with an ability to model future events with amazing accuracy. No mention of psychic powers at all.<br><br>Oh yes...I think I get what this is about now. Much more to be discovered and I hope others will join in research.<br><br>(Note, evidently a "Joey Jerome" is also an actor in a couple of movies listed on IMDB...no idea if they are related.)<br><br>For fun, here's the website of another one of Brown's posse:<br><br><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.secretsofredgate.com/">Lynda Cowen.</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>On HER site you find a link to a much more professional looking RV training site. Run by a military intel guy who takes fashion hints straight from Gordon Liddy:<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.crviewer.com/">Lyn Buchanan</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Another of the instructors talks about how he started with TM and moved to the Monroe Institute and then off to Farsight. <br><br>Like a little MC assembly line, I guess. <br><br>I can't prove it...can't even provide lots of evidence yet...but I feel very very sure that I'm headed in the right direction. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: more on Brown

Postby LilyPatToo » Sat Jul 08, 2006 4:26 pm

Dreams End, I feel certain that you are, too. I've hung out online for years at the website of one of Brown's sometime-colleagues and what you describe--that "seeding" of potential attractors--goes on all the time. The core group being manipulated is very True Believerish, very suggestible. I gradually woke up and became aware of it, but couldn't get a firm enough grasp on the process to define it clearly, even to myself. (and it definitely doesn't help that my own mind has been so messed-with) I've been a <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>persona non grata</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> there ever since I piped up about the historical and on-going use of the UFO community by the disinformationists.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>So, here's my far out theory of the day. These guys are trying to create attractors. They are working on how to introduce small and sometimes subtle changes in a very complex, chaotic system (formerly known as "the world"<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> for specific results. Perhaps it is still at the experimental stage and they just do this stuff to see what happens. But I don't think so.<br><br>This theory suggests that the model they use is that a small number of people whose beliefs have been manipulated in some way can have "catastrophic" effects on a social system...can create sudden, lasting and dramatic social changes. <br><br>This might explain at least one thing I've been stuck on. While it always seemed apparent to me that elite types were for some reason manipulating belief systems by mucking about in New Age circles...it seemed to me like we are nowhere near a day when all of a sudden everyone will convert. In other words...what's the point? <br><br>I think this may point to an answer. The idea is not to go out in a linear fashion and "convert" people, the idea is to put out ideas that can become "attractors". They are thinking about how to create "catastrophic" change deliberately. Remember, "catastrophic" here is a math term....<br><br>HOWEVER, by convenience of language, some of this experiment most certainly revolves around the idea of impending "catastrophe" in the normal sense of the word. It's what the "aliens" teach and what many 2012 type new agers promote. It's the 11:11. It's the end times.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>You cannot imagine how many threads I've seen come and go at that site on 11:11 alone! And when I began a thread on the very suspicious underpinnings of the New Age Movement, too, I was flamed, of course. There are extensive threads at that board on the aliens' teachings about the "end times" and very knowledgeable and articulate spokespeople show up with claims of being "hybrids" or "contactees" at intervals. It took me a long time to recognize other mind controlled people and even longer to be able to pick out the pro disinformationists, but at this point I often can. And they know it, too--I've become a walking target. But I stay because I've gotten to know many of the targeted people well and I really, deeply resent the way they're being jerked around.<br><br>But I suspect that I'm being jerked around too and in the Real World--the very same week that I began investigating the New Age Movement's connections to some very creepy NWO types, a woman I knew slightly approached me at the gym and invited me to come to a "channelling" session with her. The channeller is pretty amazing, but I was stunned to find out at about the 4th or 5th meeting that the Ascended Master who had inspired her to channel was none other than the same Djwhal Khul who inspired Blavatsky--! Care to speculate on the likelihood of THAT being a coincidence?!<br><br>LilyPat <p></p><i></i>
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Re: More Stargate Conspiracy Stuff

Postby Attack Ships on Fire » Sat Jul 08, 2006 4:45 pm

LilyPat wrote: <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>This interests me, since I still hang out at a UFO/alien abduction site quite a bit and the subject comes up often, as I'm sure you can imagine. What I say to the alien creators True Believers is -- if they created us, then they also created bananas and fieldmice, since we share so many, many of the same genes...yet I never hear any myths of the alien creation of bananas or fieldmice.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I am also on the side of belief that two different biological beings that evolved on worlds separated by light years should be completely genetically different and incompatible for creating a hybrid being, either via genetic manipulation in a laboratory or by sexual reproduction. However, I also know that there is no evidence to suggest that this is indeed the case since we have no knowledge of the genetic structure, as well as no evidence whatsoever of its existance, of life that developed from outside of the Earth. It may be the case that there is a specific range of genetics that life uses everywhere throughout the universe; maybe the seeds of life are scattered in cometary debris, a kind of panspermia that early life followed along before the formation of our planetary system, and as such all life in the galaxy will follow along the same genetic path. We simply do not know what the rules of the game are yet.<br><br>The implication from the alien encounter/abduction experience is that, even if a fraction of the reports are true, alien beings have enough in common with humanity in general that they can breathe our air, exist in our temperature range and are somewhat genetically compatible with us. Logically, that would mean that the evolution of our species is either directly tied with the alien(s) species, either by nature (all species/some species are similar across the galaxy and can genetically mingle) or by design (our understanding of the evolution human species is currently flawed.) Either premise doesn't sit well with my skeptical mind, which likes to imagine a universe filled with diverse forms of life, but if the evidence were able to be presented and proven beyond an acceptable doubt, I would have to accept it.<br><br>Put in a slightly more comedic and off-color example, if there are many alien races out there capable of travelling around the galaxy, and they've been doing it for millennia, based on my study of human nature it's probably inevitable that some of them would come here and want to get busy with the locals. Look at how much sex has dominated the lives of humans. Now imagine a future in which humanity is capable of interstellar travel and that there are lesser alien forms of life out there. Someone, someday, is going to eventually look at one of these xeno-critters with an evil glint in their eye and before you know it, the theme song to Deliverence is playing in the background. That's just the first step down that path. Wait 10,000 more years and see where humanity's values are then.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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