The peoples voice.

[coffin_dodger]

"It is verging on HMW turning every media thread into a KWH issue."

More like the Child-Catcher from Chitty-chitty-bang-bang.

[American Dream]

Talking about "The People's Voice" without mentioning David Icke would be like talking about hamburgers without mentioning cows.

Certainly one can talk about hamburgers without *having to* mention cows. I can talk about buns, fillings, relishes.
Feeling that when hamburgers are mentioned, that you HAVE to talk about cows is something that only the most strident PETA advocates do.

So, your statement that it is not possible to talk about TPV without mentioning **** is a statement that YOU cannot talk about TPV without mentioning ****.
It is verging on HMW turning every media thread into a KWH issue.

Surely all institutions do some bad and some good but I think it's always a public service to mention the turd in the punchbowl...

The purpose of an institution is WHAT IT DOES.
Saying an institution does some good or some bad is a moral judgement.
Who determines what is good or what is bad?
How do they determine it?
Does this not depend on the frame of the viewer?

Also, putting the power on the institution is an abdication of the personal responsibility of the people involved - for example the Eichmann defense.

Since TPV is in my view a trojan horse for the David Icke movement, I think it is very important to mention this.

As to institutions- I was actually thinking first and foremost of the Roman Catholic Church. I think it does some good as well some bad but honestly I do not support it as an institution.

As to TPV, slim is constantly pointing out the "good" guests and ignoring what is to me the putrid turd in the punchbowl: the extremely problematic legacy of David Icke. By my lights, that is a very serious omission...

[slimmouse]

As to TPV, slim is constantly pointing out the "good" guests and ignoring what is to me the putrid turd in the punchbowl: the extremely problematic legacy of David Icke. By my lights, that is a very serious omission.

Extremely problematic legacy to who, AD?

To civilisation, to me, to Searcher, to other members of this forum, or perhaps to you?

Lets face it, its a clear problem to you.

I think we should let people decde for themselves who the real turd in the punchbowl is when it comes to this thread.

[American Dream]

I think we should let people decde for themselves who the real turd in the punchbowl is when it comes to this thread.

On that I do agree- and that's why I'm posting a counterpoint to your material, although to me the turd is more in the realm of ideas, less in the realm of the personal...

[slimmouse]

I think we should let people decde for themselves who the real turd in the punchbowl is when it comes to this thread.

On that I do agree- and that's why I'm posting a counterpoint to your material, although to me the turd is more in the realm of ideas, less in the realm of the personal...

I too would agree with this.

[Searcher08]

Talking about "The People's Voice" without mentioning David Icke would be like talking about hamburgers without mentioning cows.

Certainly one can talk about hamburgers without *having to* mention cows. I can talk about buns, fillings, relishes.
Feeling that when hamburgers are mentioned, that you HAVE to talk about cows is something that only the most strident PETA advocates do.

So, your statement that it is not possible to talk about TPV without mentioning **** is a statement that YOU cannot talk about TPV without mentioning ****.
It is verging on HMW turning every media thread into a KWH issue.

Surely all institutions do some bad and some good but I think it's always a public service to mention the turd in the punchbowl...

The purpose of an institution is WHAT IT DOES.
Saying an institution does some good or some bad is a moral judgement.
Who determines what is good or what is bad?
How do they determine it?
Does this not depend on the frame of the viewer?

Also, putting the power on the institution is an abdication of the personal responsibility of the people involved - for example the Eichmann defense.

Since TPV is in my view a trojan horse for the David Icke movement, I think it is very important to mention this.

As to institutions- I was actually thinking first and foremost of the Roman Catholic Church. I think it does some good as well some bad but honestly I do not support it as an institution.

As to TPV, slim is constantly pointing out the "good" guests and ignoring what is to me the putrid turd in the punchbowl: the extremely problematic legacy of David Icke. By my lights, that is a very serious omission...

You say that in yourt view TPV is a trojan horse for the David Icke movement.

Two Questions:

First
What is the David Icke 'movement' and what is their purpose? and based on what evidence?


Second
Are we to be prevented from discussing any mainstream media content that is run by America institutions that have donated money to Israel?

If I want to talk about Family Guy cartoons, does every conversation about it have to have post after post by you on the neo-liberal threat posed by Rupert Murdoch?

Sure, I GET you dont like Rupert fucking Murcoch OK????

Please tell me how you telling me you HATE him
AGAIN
AND AGAIN
AND AGAIN
AND AGAIN
AND AGAIN
AND AGAIN
has relevance to a thread about CARTOONS???

[American Dream]

Talking about "The People's Voice" without mentioning David Icke would be like talking about hamburgers without mentioning cows.

Certainly one can talk about hamburgers without *having to* mention cows. I can talk about buns, fillings, relishes.
Feeling that when hamburgers are mentioned, that you HAVE to talk about cows is something that only the most strident PETA advocates do.

So, your statement that it is not possible to talk about TPV without mentioning **** is a statement that YOU cannot talk about TPV without mentioning ****.
It is verging on HMW turning every media thread into a KWH issue.

Surely all institutions do some bad and some good but I think it's always a public service to mention the turd in the punchbowl...

The purpose of an institution is WHAT IT DOES.
Saying an institution does some good or some bad is a moral judgement.
Who determines what is good or what is bad?
How do they determine it?
Does this not depend on the frame of the viewer?

Also, putting the power on the institution is an abdication of the personal responsibility of the people involved - for example the Eichmann defense.

Since TPV is in my view a trojan horse for the David Icke movement, I think it is very important to mention this.

As to institutions- I was actually thinking first and foremost of the Roman Catholic Church. I think it does some good as well some bad but honestly I do not support it as an institution.

As to TPV, slim is constantly pointing out the "good" guests and ignoring what is to me the putrid turd in the punchbowl: the extremely problematic legacy of David Icke. By my lights, that is a very serious omission...

You say that in yourt view TPV is a trojan horse for the David Icke movement.

Two Questions:

First
What is the David Icke 'movement' and what is their purpose? and based on what evidence?


Second
Are we to be prevented from discussing any mainstream media content that is run by America institutions that have donated money to Israel?

If I want to talk about Family Guy cartoons, does every conversation about it have to have post after post by you on the neo-liberal threat posed by Rupert Murdoch?

Sure, I GET you dont like Rupert fucking Murcoch OK????

Please tell me how you telling me you HATE him
AGAIN
AND AGAIN
AND AGAIN
AND AGAIN
AND AGAIN
AND AGAIN
has relevance to a thread about CARTOONS???

The David Icke movement, as I formulate it, is people who are big boosters of the teachings of David Icke. As one might guess, their tendency is to want to promote "the Cause", as we are seeing here with TPV.

If TPV were welcome a full range of the criticism of Mr. Icke- and give it a prominent place in its programming- I might not consider it a trojan horse.

I do however consider "The Peoples Voice" as propaganda, PR etc., located firmly in the realm of Psychological Operations. I'm sure you and slim will heatedly dispute this- but on this point, I am clear.

So when a pernicious propaganda outlet points to a particular set of content as benign, I think it's necessary to put things in context, to look at the big picture.

[slimmouse]

Talking about "The People's Voice" without mentioning David Icke would be like talking about hamburgers without mentioning cows.

Certainly one can talk about hamburgers without *having to* mention cows. I can talk about buns, fillings, relishes.
Feeling that when hamburgers are mentioned, that you HAVE to talk about cows is something that only the most strident PETA advocates do.

So, your statement that it is not possible to talk about TPV without mentioning **** is a statement that YOU cannot talk about TPV without mentioning ****.
It is verging on HMW turning every media thread into a KWH issue.

Surely all institutions do some bad and some good but I think it's always a public service to mention the turd in the punchbowl...

The purpose of an institution is WHAT IT DOES.
Saying an institution does some good or some bad is a moral judgement.
Who determines what is good or what is bad?
How do they determine it?
Does this not depend on the frame of the viewer?

Also, putting the power on the institution is an abdication of the personal responsibility of the people involved - for example the Eichmann defense.

Since TPV is in my view a trojan horse for the David Icke movement, I think it is very important to mention this.

As to institutions- I was actually thinking first and foremost of the Roman Catholic Church. I think it does some good as well some bad but honestly I do not support it as an institution.

As to TPV, slim is constantly pointing out the "good" guests and ignoring what is to me the putrid turd in the punchbowl: the extremely problematic legacy of David Icke. By my lights, that is a very serious omission...

You say that in yourt view TPV is a trojan horse for the David Icke movement.

Two Questions:

First
What is the David Icke 'movement' and what is their purpose? and based on what evidence?


Second
Are we to be prevented from discussing any mainstream media content that is run by America institutions that have donated money to Israel?

If I want to talk about Family Guy cartoons, does every conversation about it have to have post after post by you on the neo-liberal threat posed by Rupert Murdoch?

Sure, I GET you dont like Rupert fucking Murcoch OK????

Please tell me how you telling me you HATE him
AGAIN
AND AGAIN
AND AGAIN
AND AGAIN
AND AGAIN
AND AGAIN
has relevance to a thread about CARTOONS???

The David Icke movement, as I formulate it, is people who are big boosters of the teachings of David Icke. As one might guess, their tendency is to want to promote "the Cause", as we are seeing here with TPV.

If TPV were welcome a full range of the criticism of Mr. Icke- and give it a prominent place in its programming- I might not consider it a trojan horse.

I do however consider "The Peoples Voice" as propaganda, PR etc., located firmly in the realm of Psychological Operations. I'm sure you and slim will heatedly dispute this- but on this point, I am clear.

So when a pernicious propaganda outlet points to a particular set of content as benign, I think it's necessary to put things in context, to look at the big picture.

And the goal of this Psyop is ?

And the instigators are?

[American Dream]

I'm not privy to the inner workings of David Icke's mind- couldn't parse out if and where he's nutso, scheming for private profit, willingly collaborating with negative forces, under some other entity's influence or control and/or any combination of the above.

What's manifest is what he says and does- and there is much to criticize there.

[slimmouse]

I'm not privy to the inner workings of David Icke's mind- couldn't parse out if and where he's nutso, scheming for private profit, willingly collaborating with negative forces, under some other entity's influence or control and/or any combination of the above.

What's manifest is what he says and does- and there is much to criticize there.

You know something AD.

That is just the kind of crazy answer that you criticise Icke for.

Thank you.

[Elvis]

[slimmouse]

Ritchie Allen talking with Jesse Trentadue, (whos brother "hung" himself in FBI custody in OKC,) talking about the lies of the control system WRT the bombing of the federal building in OKC, and the fact that a man who was largely complicit in the cover up, is still to this day US attorney general.

[American Dream]

Selected Quotes Of David Icke

compiled by Will Offley
February 23, 2000

The quotes below are all taken from David Icke's 1995 book "...and the truth shall set you free". The book was self-published by Icke after his regular publisher refused to print it due to its content.



"In the very late 1800's, a controversial document came to light called the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion". I call them the Illuminati Protocols, and I quote many extracts from them in The Robots' Rebellion. Some say they were a forgery made public only to discredit Jews, and I use the term "Illuminati Protocols" to get away from the Jewish emphasis. If they were a forgery, something that is quite possible, what were they a forgery of, and by whom?"

Icke, p.57 [see p. 130 and p. 453, below]



"I strongly believe that a small Jewish clique which has contempt for the mass of Jewish people worked with non-Jews to create the First World War, the Russian Revolution, and the Second World War. This Jewish/non-Jewish Elite used the First World War to secure the Balfour Declaration and the principle of the Jewish State of Israel (for which, given the genetic history of most Jewish people, there is absolutely no justification on historical grounds or any other). They then dominated the Versailles Peace Conference and created the circumstances which made the Second World War inevitable. They financed Hitler to power in 1933 and made the funds available for his rearmament."

Icke, p. 130



"My use of extracts from the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" was too much for political purity to take. It didn't matter that I had emphasised, as I do in this book, that this is not a plot by Jewish people; it didn't matter that I renamed them the "Illuminati Protocols" for the specific reason of getting away from their association with Jewish people; it didn't matter that these Protocols, which came to light in the late 1800's, contain details of the very plan of manipulation which has provably unfolded through the twentieth century."

Icke, p. 453



"The same attitude that suppressed the challenge to the manipulation of World War Two, today sees people vilified and jailed for questioning some of the official versions of the Holocaust in Nazi Germany. If you do that, no one listens to the evidence because this is lost in the tidal wave of vilification and condemnation. If people want to believe that all those who question the official line are Nazis and apologists for the Hitler regime, or anti-Jewish, then they must go ahead and do so. But I'll tell them this. They are kidding themselves, because that isn't true. It simply isn't."

David Icke, "...And The Truth Shall Set You Free", p. 127



"The "Jews" of the Global Elite could not give a damn about Jewish people, as the Germans in the clique could not care less about the German people. To them, the masses of whatever race, colour or country, are a herd of nonentities who are there to be used only as necessary to serve their master --- the Luciferic Consciousness on the Fourth Dimension. The "All-Seeing" Jews, however, and their non-Jewish conspirators, use the smokescreen of "anti-Semitism" and the genuine suffering of real Jews to prevent investigation of their sinister activities. I am convinced that it was this clique which wrote and leaked the Protocols [of the Elders of Zion] and made it look like a plot by Jewish people as a whole. It is not. No, no, no!"

Icke, p. 130



"In Britain, I am told by an extremely reliable source very close to the intelligence organisations that the "far-right" group, Combat 18, is a front for the sinister Anti-Defamation League, the United States arm of the Israeli/Rothschild secret service, Mossad. The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) has been operating in Britain and Europe since at least 1991 and its role is to brand as anti-Semitic anyone who is getting close to the truth of what is going on. What better way to discredit an investigator than to have a "far-Right" group like Combat 18 to praise them?"

Icke, p. 133-134



"...Why do we play a part in suppressing alternative information to the official line of the Second World War? How is it right that while this fierce suppression goes on, free copies of the Spielberg film, Schindler's List, are given to schools to indoctrinate children with the unchallenged version of events. And why do we, who say we oppose tyranny and demand freedom of speech, allow people to go to prison and be vilified, and magazines to be closed down on the spot, for suggesting another version of history."

Icke, p. 135



"The Talmud, the Jewish book of law, contains among other little gems, the following: "Just the Jews are humans, the non-Jews are no humans, but cattle" (Kerithuth 6b, page 78, Jebhammoth 61); "The non-Jews have been created to serve the Jews as Slaves" (Midrasch Talpioth 225); "Sexual intercourse with non-Jews is like sexual intercourse with animals" (Kethuboth 3b); "The non-Jews have to be avoided, even more than sick pigs" (Orach Chaiim, 57, 6a); "The birth rate of non-Jews has to be suppressed massively" (Zohar II, 4b); "As you replace lost cows and donkeys, so you shall replace non-Jews" (Lore Dea 377,1). And so it goes on and on. So how often do the "anti-racist" protesters demonstrate outside Talmudic events. Never. Exactly."

Icke, p. 136



"Jewish people are simply wonderful when they allow themselves to be who they really are. They have such a contribution to make to the good of the world. But I have rarely met one who really loves themself or does not carry the burden of inherited guilt. My friends, it is all about control. It's time to let it go. Jewish people (who, like the rest of us, are evolving consciousnesses which happen to be experiencing a Jewish lifetime), will never be free until they step out of the mental and emotional control of this tiny clique, which uses them in the most merciless ways to advance its own sick and diabolical ambitions, in league with an equally sick clique of non-Jews."

Icke, p. 137



"After the war, the Nuremberg [sic] trials sat in judgement on the Germans. When you look beyond the sanitised history books, you see that those trials were a farce, a calculated exercise in revenge and manipulation, often punishing those without influence to cover the tracks of those who had it... like the Americans on the boards of the U.S.-Nazi cartels and parent companies."

Icke, p. 137



Since the publication of "....and the truth shall set you free", Icke's anti-Semitic and conspiracist writings have continued in the same vein. If anything, they have become even more bizarre with his latest contention that the world is run by an Illuminati conspiracy composed of New World Order powerbrokers who are blood-sucking, child-sacrificing Satanists and are direct genetic descendants of a race of extraterrestrial reptiles capable of changing shapes.




"It's funny that since I began writing and speaking about reptilian bloodlines running the world, which, according to the mainstream and many conspiracy "researchers", is apparently ridiculous, you would have expected the opposition to my work to subside.... BUT HOW FUNNY! THE OPPOSITE HAS HAPPENED. SINCE I BEGAN TALKING ABOUT THE REPTILIAN CONNECTION, THE OPPOSITION HAS BEEN INCREASED SUBSTANTIALLY. WHY? IF I AND THE ENDLESS PEOPLE ANCIENT AND MODERN WHO HAVE SEEN THE SHAPE-SHIFTERS ARE SO MISGUIDED, WHY HAS THE OPPOSITION INCREASED SO MUCH SINCE THE BIGGEST SECRET WAS PUBLISHED AND NOT THE OPPOSITE?"

"Illuminati Onslaught Against David Icke In Canada!", David Icke E-Magazine Special Report, October 8, 1999, emphasis in original



"The following list has been compiled from the wealth of research I have put together over the last ten years. I would suggest that all of these are reptilian bloodline, but I only mention shapeshifting where it has been witnessed. It is only an initial list and will be added to. If you can add names, and give the supporting evidence, that would be most helpful in exposing these horrors. By "Satanists", of course, I mean those involved in human sacrifice.... George Bush: U.S. President and Vice President, head of the CIA, and a stream of other roles in the Illuminati. Satanist, mind controller, torturer of children and adults, paedophile, shapeshifting reptilian, and major drug runner. Serial killer. Nice man.... Queen Elizabeth II of the U.K.: Satanist, child sacrificer, shapeshifting reptilian. Major Illuminati figure."

"List of Famous Satanists, Paedophiles And Mind Controllers",
David Icke web site: <http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles/listsatan.html>
Others on this list include Bill and Hillary Clinton, Lord Mountbatten, Mikhael Gorbachev, Bob Hope and Kris Kristofferson

[slimmouse]

Heres a truly priceless interview by Ritchie Allen with Nick Kollerstrom, informing people of how the official storry of 7/7 is actually what most riggies recognise any official story to be. Namely a crock of deceptively fabricated crap. I hope Byrne, or some other informed people on the 7/7 deception can comment on Kollerstroms accuracy. He sure sounds pretty damn close, to me at least.

[solace]

Heres a truly priceless interview by Ritchie Allen with Nick Kollerstrom, informing people of how the official storry of 7/7 is actually what most riggies recognise any official story to be. Namely a crock of deceptively fabricated crap. I hope Byrne, or some other informed people on the 7/7 deception can comment on Kollerstroms accuracy. He sure sounds pretty damn close, to me at least.

Kollerstroms greatest hits:

In "The Auschwitz 'Gas Chamber' Illusion," first published on the CODOH website in June 2007, Kollerstrom wrote that there were no "lethal gas chambers" in the Nazi's concentration camps, that cyanide gas chambers operated in Auschwitz only for the purpose of hygiene and disinfection, and that "the only intentional mass extermination program in the concentration camps of World War Two was targeted at Germans" in French and American-run concentration camps.

In "School trips to Auschwitz," he wrote:

Let us hope the schoolchildren visitors are properly taught about the elegant swimming-pool at Auschwitz, built by the inmates, who would sunbathe there on Saturday and Sunday afternoons while watching the water-polo matches; and shown the paintings from its art class, which still exist; and told about the camp library which had some forty-five thousand volumes for inmates to choose from, plus a range of periodicals; and the six camp orchestras at Auschwitz/Birkenau, its theatrical performances, including a children's opera, the weekly camp cinema, and even the special brothel established there. Let's hope they are shown postcards written from Auschwitz, some of which still exist, where the postman would collect the mail twice-weekly. Thus the past may not always be quite, as we were told."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Kollerstrom

You guys sure can pick 'em.