The UK’s pro-Israel lobby in context.

[American Dream]

Based on this alone. World movers, murderers , financial gansters and all the rest of it. The Rothschilds or the Ickeans?

A simple yes or no will do. But of course Ive no doubt its not that simple in your world.

Slim, that was incredibly sneaky of you to completely change this post after I responded- in my last post- to your suggestion that Rothschild involvement in the Balfour Declaration is all the proof we need of the "Rothschild Zionism" and that Searcher has somehow been through this with me before and that I have just refused to accept the really good evidence that he has given for the idea that the Rothschild Zionists rule the world, or something.

You completely changed the meaning of your post and I'm sure that was on purpose. What are you so intent on hiding?

I'm calling on you to undo your inexcusably slippery behavior and restore your original post.

[slimmouse]

Based on this alone. World movers, murderers , financial gansters and all the rest of it. The Rothschilds or the Ickeans?

A simple yes or no will do. But of course Ive no doubt its not that simple in your world.

Slim, that was incredibly sneaky of you to completely change this post after I responded- in my last post- to your suggestion that Rothschild involvement in the Balfour Declaration is all the proof we need of the "Rothschild Zionism" and that Searcher has somehow been through this with me before and that I have just refused to accept the really good evidence that he has given for the idea that the Rothschild Zionists rule the world, or something.

You completely changed the meaning of your post and I'm sure that was on purpose. What are you so intent on hiding?

I'm calling on you to undo your inexcusably slippery behavior and restore your original post.

I feel the same way too.

That was a mistake btw, but dont let that stop you bro, will you.

All the best,

Your slippery inexcusable friend.

[American Dream]

I feel the same way too.

That was a mistake btw, but dont let that stop you bro, will you.

All the best,

Your slippery inexcusable friend.

What are you talking about?

How could that possibly be a mistake that you completely changed both the quote you responded to and the content of your response after I made a clear repudiation of the facts and logic of your post?

I'm still calling on you to restore your original post.

[slimmouse]

If any mods out there can somehow restore that post, then you have my free permission to do so.

I cant remember exactly what I wrote now AD, but it would have been something along the lines of a question of how you judge your standards of proof for something, since if what people on this forum have seen of your deeply disturbing set of double standards when it comes to your definition of proof, I think we all deserve an answer.

Oh, and apologies for the lost post. I hope the mods find it, and Im reasonably convinced it will reinforce my remembrance of the post.

[Searcher08]

i don't know that any of your statements are ones that I would make. They are your words, your formulations, not mine.

Which is why I have been repeatedly asking for *your* formulation of what specifically constitutes 'Rothschild Theory', not as an essay, just as a series of bullet points, that taken together, you would say 'Yes, that covers it'.

I attempted in good faith to do it with my above bullet points.
You say those were not your own words - I was not accurate

** How am I supposed to know YOUR formulation if you dont tell me? Have I left things out? Have I included things that should not be there? etc etc **

As to the standard of proof- make a compelling case for whatever it is that you are claiming.

A 'Compelling Case' in my world is a part of business strategy where one discusses the effect of one's consulting work in improving business processes against key benchmarks and is used for marketing purposes.

You yourself ARE ALREADY using a standard of evidence: you described the point about the Rothschilds paying for (and being very involved in) an important government building in Israel as a 'factoid'.

From Wiki: A factoid is a questionable or spurious (unverified, false, or fabricated) statement presented as a fact, but without supporting evidence.

By this definition it is not a factoid, as they were involved in the proposal, funding and design.

So as it is, you have already decided what is evidence in your mind, but I see only it's effects (Rothschild Knessett = Factoid) not the criteria.

I promise to consider your evidence and reasoning with as open of a mind as possible. There is no absolute standard for evidence here.

I am feeling frustrated by this as it reminds me of reductionists' attitudes to all forms of alternative medicine but at least in that case THEY have very clear evidence criteria for themselves (Show me the placebo-controlled randomised double blind control trials and peer reviewed articles published in reputable journals)

Perhaps a different angle of approach is to ask you the question -
What would be another clear example of what you regard as a 'compelling case' - and in what what is it compelling?

You are going to have to trust me a bit that I will make a good faith effort to consider your claims and your support for those claims and that I will tell you if I see you presenting a strong case for whatever it is that you do believe.

My responses to this are two fold
On a personal level, I have a deep concern for clarity and clear thinking - and I dont doubt that you would deal with any I make in good faith and also be willing to explain how you arrived at your assessment and by what standard you made it.

Secondly, to clarify, to characterise what I am saying as *only*
"Searcher believes X, Y, Z about the Rothschilds based on his evidence A, B, C"
misses out a big big chunk of what I want to engage in, which is (I hope) about developing clearer thinking with you around a subject (which from my explorations so far) seems filled with:

Ickean very unlikelihoods + Far Right anti-Semitic Nazi racist myths + Far Left bullshit gatekeeping/thought-stopping + Real Surprises (a la Pannonica) + The 'Dallas Factor'(Feuding Families) scenario + Internal Splits + Actual documented vast wealth and power + Systems modelling of global corporate power + Total information fog around the BIS + WTF?! Occult Connections

So when you say 'Rothschild Theory' I see an (as yet unspecified) set of selections from the
the above heady mix. So please clarify.

That's all we've got. If you can't give me a statement of what it is that you are claiming and a summary of evidence that supports those claims, then let's just give it up now...

I have (hopefully) explained the need for clarity and the areas that I am seeking it in content and in process.

I appreciate this is challenging for both of us in different ways and hope this points to a constructive way forward.

[seemslikeadream]

don't make me post a pity the poor Irish thread....again

[bluenoseclaret]

Of interest:

UK, US govts hand in hand with bankers committing financial crimes.....Max Keiser,

Iceland is a great example of a country which had the courage to prosecute bankers, and that’s largely because it’s not controlled by the Federal Reserve and the Bank of England, Max Keiser, financial analyst and host of the Keiser Report on RT, says.

Four former bank bosses in Iceland have been jailed for financial fraud. They were accused of hiding the fact that a Qatari investor bought into the firm [Kaupthing Bank], with money lent illegally by the bank itself. It went bust in 2008, helping to cripple Iceland's economy.

Keiser says, what is considered a crime in Iceland is flourishing thanks to government support in the UK and the US.

RT: What are the broader ramifications of this case?

Max Keiser: I think we need to understand that in this crime that was committed in Iceland, with the participation of the government in Qatar, you have a classic Ponzi scheme where a bank was lending money to Qatar to buy shares in banks in Iceland to artificially inflate the price of the stock of the bank, and then they would use that artificially high bank stock price to make loans, to make acquisitions and then when the bubble burst it all came down. And of course there was a crime committed, and the Icelandic government is now prosecuting for that financial fraud.

But what's interesting is that if you look at what's happening in the UK right now - HSBC, Barklays, Lloyds, and the Royal Bank of Scotland in particular - they are participating in exactly the same fraud with the help and participation of the Bank of England. It's a program called quantitative easing where central bank loans to the commercial banks to buy stock or bonds in this case in the central bank. So they are doing the same exact thing that in Iceland is a crime.

I think because Iceland, Russia, Iran and China are all banking systems that are outside of the control of the Federal Reserve in America or the Bank of England in the UK, they are free to prosecute financial crimes. They don't have that freedom in the UK because the bankers are protected by the Bank for International Settlements in Switzerland, the Federal Reserve in New York who collude on a global basis to line the pockets of the criminals, in this case the bankers in the UK and the US, and of course their economies are suffering catastrophically as a result of this: poverty is on the rise, and living standards in the UK are crashing worse than they've ever crashed since the Victorian times.

RT: Any chance other high-flying financial scammers will now find themselves in the dock on similar charges?

MK: The banking zones outside of Russia, Iran, China and Iceland are pretty much controlled by what's known as the Rothschild influence. The Rothschild of course in their family really owns the Central Banks in America and the Bank of England. But China, Russia, Iran and Iceland don't have to answer to the Rothschild, so they are free to prosecute what I call financial terrorists.

RT: To what extent should governments control financial institutions and their deals.

MK: Governments are completely co-opted by the bankers. The UK government has been co-opted by Barclays. And the Royal Bank of Scotland in particular was just caught targeting small businesses for death where they were setting small businesses up to fail so their affiliates could swoop in and buy assets for pennies on the dollar. So [they've been] acting as what I call financial terrorists with the full cooperation of David Cameron, George Osborne and Mark Carney, head of the Bank of England. They are fully engaged in the confiscation of wealth using what I call financial apartheid and other tricks to essentially steal wealth from the vast majority for the benefit of a very few bankers who work globally.

But not in Iceland! Iceland had the courage to do what we've seen in some other territories, by prosecuting bankers. In Vietnam a banker caught committing a financial crime was executed. There needs to be a deterrent against a financial fraud of this magnitude.

Capital punishment seems maybe a good idea if it will deter bankers from committing acts of financial terrorism. In the US, capital punishment is legal. I say use it to go after the really bad guys, the people of Wall Street, the people of the Central Bank; stop killing poor black kids in Texas because you don't like the way they look and go after the white guys on Wall Street who commit genuine acts of financial terrorism. They've got capital punishment - use it to better society, not just kill poor kids

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http://rt.com/op-edge/banksers-financia ... inals-209/

Well worth watching

1....The International Banking Cartel 1

"A look at the International Banking Cartel led by the Bank for International Settlement (in Basel, Switzerland) known as the bank of central banks (58 central banks) and The US Federal reserve System. Also a look at banking tycoons: from the Rothschild family in Europe to JP Morgan and others in the US. How banks not only control governments but also appoint politicians through huge campaign donations. Governments at the service of the major banks, the best example: the Obama administration and the history's biggest bail out of the same institutions that caused the Great Recession."

http://www.presstv.ir/Program/272398.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OU9AGUv4lk

2...The International Banking Cartel 2

"A look at the International Banking Cartel led by the Bank for International Settlement (in Basel, Switzerland) known as the bank of central banks (58 central banks) and The US Federal reserve System. Also a look at banking tycoons: from the Rothschild family in Europe to JP Morgan and others in the US. How banks not only control governments but also appoint politicians through huge campaign donations. Governments at the service of the major banks, the best example: the Obama administration and the history's biggest bail out of the same institutions that caused the Great Recession."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kadN7bzBGnQ

[American Dream]

i don't know that any of your statements are ones that I would make. They are your words, your formulations, not mine.

Which is why I have been repeatedly asking for *your* formulation of what specifically constitutes 'Rothschild Theory', not as an essay, just as a series of bullet points, that taken together, you would say 'Yes, that covers it'.

I attempted in good faith to do it with my above bullet points.
You say those were not your own words - I was not accurate

** How am I supposed to know YOUR formulation if you dont tell me? Have I left things out? Have I included things that should not be there? etc etc **

As to the standard of proof- make a compelling case for whatever it is that you are claiming.

A 'Compelling Case' in my world is a part of business strategy where one discusses the effect of one's consulting work in improving business processes against key benchmarks and is used for marketing purposes.

You yourself ARE ALREADY using a standard of evidence: you described the point about the Rothschilds paying for (and being very involved in) an important government building in Israel as a 'factoid'.

From Wiki: A factoid is a questionable or spurious (unverified, false, or fabricated) statement presented as a fact, but without supporting evidence.

By this definition it is not a factoid, as they were involved in the proposal, funding and design.

So as it is, you have already decided what is evidence in your mind, but I see only it's effects (Rothschild Knessett = Factoid) not the criteria.

I promise to consider your evidence and reasoning with as open of a mind as possible. There is no absolute standard for evidence here.

I am feeling frustrated by this as it reminds me of reductionists' attitudes to all forms of alternative medicine but at least in that case THEY have very clear evidence criteria for themselves (Show me the placebo-controlled randomised double blind control trials and peer reviewed articles published in reputable journals)

Perhaps a different angle of approach is to ask you the question -
What would be another clear example of what you regard as a 'compelling case' - and in what what is it compelling?

You are going to have to trust me a bit that I will make a good faith effort to consider your claims and your support for those claims and that I will tell you if I see you presenting a strong case for whatever it is that you do believe.

My responses to this are two fold
On a personal level, I have a deep concern for clarity and clear thinking - and I dont doubt that you would deal with any I make in good faith and also be willing to explain how you arrived at your assessment and by what standard you made it.

Secondly, to clarify, to characterise what I am saying as *only*
"Searcher believes X, Y, Z about the Rothschilds based on his evidence A, B, C"
misses out a big big chunk of what I want to engage in, which is (I hope) about developing clearer thinking with you around a subject (which from my explorations so far) seems filled with:

Ickean very unlikelihoods + Far Right anti-Semitic Nazi racist myths + Far Left bullshit gatekeeping/thought-stopping + Real Surprises (a la Pannonica) + The 'Dallas Factor'(Feuding Families) scenario + Internal Splits + Actual documented vast wealth and power + Systems modelling of global corporate power + Total information fog around the BIS + WTF?! Occult Connections

So when you say 'Rothschild Theory' I see an (as yet unspecified) set of selections from the
the above heady mix. So please clarify.

That's all we've got. If you can't give me a statement of what it is that you are claiming and a summary of evidence that supports those claims, then let's just give it up now...

I have (hopefully) explained the need for clarity and the areas that I am seeking it in content and in process.

I appreciate this is challenging for both of us in different ways and hope this points to a constructive way forward.

Searcher-

I'm pretty impaired in the moment- due to extreme tiredness and other things- so my response won't be very extensive or thorough but here's a few thoughts:

Rothschild Theory- the name itself relates to coded messaging used by its proponents- is to me is not a codified or standardized set of beliefs but rather is shorthand for a variety of theories positing a world Jewish conspiracy ala Louis McFadden, David Duke, The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, Eustace Mullins, David Icke, Jeff Rense, Henry Makow, Israel Shamir and others with similar- though by no means identical- beliefs about these things. This broad strand of conspiracy discourse- often derided as a refuge for bigots and racists- is frequently evolving, as one school borrows from another and/or changes its doctrine, which is fairly common.

One common theme is a sort of anti-Zionism that conflates the architects of Israeli state policy and the international "Israel Lobby" and its supporters with all Jews everywhere, even though this is ahistorical. Other themes that pop up frequently include "the Jews who are not Jews" (Khazarian Theory), ancient mystical evil secret societies (Illuminati/Elders of Zion Theory), a heavy conflation of Jews and the Israeli State with finance capital as essentially the root of all evil (Bankster Theory) etc.

I want to reemphasize that we are not talking about a uniform, monolithic dogma but a relatively heterogenous set of beliefs that ranges from the crypto-racist (Icke, Atzmon et al), to the openly racist (British Israelites, Christian Identity etc,)

As to standards of evidence/proof, the subjective element is inescapable. Since we're talking here about convincing me about the Rothschilds as a front for a vastly powerful and ancient conspiracy including the Israeli State and International Banking, possibly controlling US foreign policy and most of the world- or something roughly like that- I'm just asking for sufficiently compelling evidence that will encourage me to change my beliefs on the matter. There is no mathematically precise standard about all this, just my assurance that I will be willing to critically discuss the evidence that you proffer and make a good faith and (relatively) open-minded effort to consider the possibility that the Rothschilds and the world do operate as you say.

So that's what I've got for you for now.

P.S. I used the word "factoid" as I commonly hear it and as Merriam-Webster defines it: a brief and usually unimportant fact. So your unfounded assumptions about what I said are a bit of a strawman...

[slimmouse]

I used the word "factoid" as I commonly hear it and as Merriam-Webster defines it: a brief and usually unimportant fact. So your unfounded assumptions about what I said are a bit of a strawman...

So, AD, how many "factoids" constitute a fact, or evidence, in your view?

The "factoid" about the Rothschilds and the Balfour declatation?

How about the "factoid" about the Masonically designed temple referenced earlier,

Or the " factoid" about Rothschild involved investment in drilling for Oil in the occupied Golan heights?

Not forgetting of course the factoid about the Rothschilds being out of all of this stuff and in fact retired to Suburban England?

Hey Searcher, thanks for some seriously legendary patience

[American Dream]

I used the word "factoid" as I commonly hear it and as Merriam-Webster defines it: a brief and usually unimportant fact. So your unfounded assumptions about what I said are a bit of a strawman...

So, AD, how many "factoids" constitute a fact, or evidence, in your view?

I know you can read, so I guess you're just "acting" dumb.

Here's what I wrote just immediately above your post:


As to standards of evidence/proof, the subjective element is inescapable. Since we're talking here about convincing me about the Rothschilds as a front for a vastly powerful and ancient conspiracy including the Israeli State and International Banking, possibly controlling US foreign policy and most of the world- or something roughly like that- I'm just asking for sufficiently compelling evidence that will encourage me to change my beliefs on the matter. There is no mathematically precise standard about all this, just my assurance that I will be willing to critically discuss the evidence that you proffer and make a good faith and (relatively) open-minded effort to consider the possibility that the Rothschilds and the world do operate as you say.

[slimmouse]

I used the word "factoid" as I commonly hear it and as Merriam-Webster defines it: a brief and usually unimportant fact. So your unfounded assumptions about what I said are a bit of a strawman...

So, AD, how many "factoids" constitute a fact, or evidence, in your view?

I know you can read, so I guess you're just "acting" dumb.

Here's what I wrote just immediately above your post:


As to standards of evidence/proof, the subjective element is inescapable. Since we're talking here about convincing me about the Rothschilds as a front for a vastly powerful and ancient conspiracy including the Israeli State and International Banking, possibly controlling US foreign policy and most of the world- or something roughly like that- I'm just asking for sufficiently compelling evidence that will encourage me to change my beliefs on the matter. There is no mathematically precise standard about all this, just my assurance that I will be willing to critically discuss the evidence that you proffer and make a good faith and (relatively) open-minded effort to consider the possibility that the Rothschilds and the world do operate as you say.

And here what I think about that Sir.

Thats your fucking opinion, and your just as entitled to it as me or any other fucker you wish to discuss this with.

Heres a couple of "factoids" for yourself, meanwhile.

The world is run essentially by a handful of manacs who are perpetuating a system that can only end in a very bad way for our civilisation, unless we get together and realise this collectively, and very very soon.

Within this context, crticising proponents of "Rothschild Zionism" as some kind of racist danger to civilisation is quite literally the worst kind of conspiracy theory Ive ever heard.

[American Dream]

Slim- you've really got to stop your bad habit of changing the content and meaning of your post after someone has responded to it.

You did it again, above after my last comment- two times. Maybe you feel defensive about something, but I call that dirty tricks...

[slimmouse]

Slim- you've really got to stop your bad habit of changing the content and meaning of your post after someone has responded to it.

You did it again, above after my last comment- two times. Maybe you feel defensive about something, but I call that dirty tricks...

Well, you see, unlike yourself AD, I specialise in dirty tricks.

Know what I mean?

[American Dream]

Slim- you've really got to stop your bad habit of changing the content and meaning of your post after someone has responded to it.

You did it again, above after my last comment- two times. Maybe you feel defensive about something, but I call that dirty tricks...

Well, you see, unlike yourself AD, I specialise in dirty tricks.

Know what I mean?

QFT

[American Dream]

Cross-posted from the "The peoples voice" thread:

Selected Quotes Of David Icke

compiled by Will Offley
February 23, 2000

The quotes below are all taken from David Icke's 1995 book "...and the truth shall set you free". The book was self-published by Icke after his regular publisher refused to print it due to its content.



"In the very late 1800's, a controversial document came to light called the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion". I call them the Illuminati Protocols, and I quote many extracts from them in The Robots' Rebellion. Some say they were a forgery made public only to discredit Jews, and I use the term "Illuminati Protocols" to get away from the Jewish emphasis. If they were a forgery, something that is quite possible, what were they a forgery of, and by whom?"

Icke, p.57 [see p. 130 and p. 453, below]



"I strongly believe that a small Jewish clique which has contempt for the mass of Jewish people worked with non-Jews to create the First World War, the Russian Revolution, and the Second World War. This Jewish/non-Jewish Elite used the First World War to secure the Balfour Declaration and the principle of the Jewish State of Israel (for which, given the genetic history of most Jewish people, there is absolutely no justification on historical grounds or any other). They then dominated the Versailles Peace Conference and created the circumstances which made the Second World War inevitable. They financed Hitler to power in 1933 and made the funds available for his rearmament."

Icke, p. 130



"My use of extracts from the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" was too much for political purity to take. It didn't matter that I had emphasised, as I do in this book, that this is not a plot by Jewish people; it didn't matter that I renamed them the "Illuminati Protocols" for the specific reason of getting away from their association with Jewish people; it didn't matter that these Protocols, which came to light in the late 1800's, contain details of the very plan of manipulation which has provably unfolded through the twentieth century."

Icke, p. 453



"The same attitude that suppressed the challenge to the manipulation of World War Two, today sees people vilified and jailed for questioning some of the official versions of the Holocaust in Nazi Germany. If you do that, no one listens to the evidence because this is lost in the tidal wave of vilification and condemnation. If people want to believe that all those who question the official line are Nazis and apologists for the Hitler regime, or anti-Jewish, then they must go ahead and do so. But I'll tell them this. They are kidding themselves, because that isn't true. It simply isn't."

David Icke, "...And The Truth Shall Set You Free", p. 127



"The "Jews" of the Global Elite could not give a damn about Jewish people, as the Germans in the clique could not care less about the German people. To them, the masses of whatever race, colour or country, are a herd of nonentities who are there to be used only as necessary to serve their master --- the Luciferic Consciousness on the Fourth Dimension. The "All-Seeing" Jews, however, and their non-Jewish conspirators, use the smokescreen of "anti-Semitism" and the genuine suffering of real Jews to prevent investigation of their sinister activities. I am convinced that it was this clique which wrote and leaked the Protocols [of the Elders of Zion] and made it look like a plot by Jewish people as a whole. It is not. No, no, no!"

Icke, p. 130



"In Britain, I am told by an extremely reliable source very close to the intelligence organisations that the "far-right" group, Combat 18, is a front for the sinister Anti-Defamation League, the United States arm of the Israeli/Rothschild secret service, Mossad. The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) has been operating in Britain and Europe since at least 1991 and its role is to brand as anti-Semitic anyone who is getting close to the truth of what is going on. What better way to discredit an investigator than to have a "far-Right" group like Combat 18 to praise them?"

Icke, p. 133-134



"...Why do we play a part in suppressing alternative information to the official line of the Second World War? How is it right that while this fierce suppression goes on, free copies of the Spielberg film, Schindler's List, are given to schools to indoctrinate children with the unchallenged version of events. And why do we, who say we oppose tyranny and demand freedom of speech, allow people to go to prison and be vilified, and magazines to be closed down on the spot, for suggesting another version of history."

Icke, p. 135



"The Talmud, the Jewish book of law, contains among other little gems, the following: "Just the Jews are humans, the non-Jews are no humans, but cattle" (Kerithuth 6b, page 78, Jebhammoth 61); "The non-Jews have been created to serve the Jews as Slaves" (Midrasch Talpioth 225); "Sexual intercourse with non-Jews is like sexual intercourse with animals" (Kethuboth 3b); "The non-Jews have to be avoided, even more than sick pigs" (Orach Chaiim, 57, 6a); "The birth rate of non-Jews has to be suppressed massively" (Zohar II, 4b); "As you replace lost cows and donkeys, so you shall replace non-Jews" (Lore Dea 377,1). And so it goes on and on. So how often do the "anti-racist" protesters demonstrate outside Talmudic events. Never. Exactly."

Icke, p. 136



"Jewish people are simply wonderful when they allow themselves to be who they really are. They have such a contribution to make to the good of the world. But I have rarely met one who really loves themself or does not carry the burden of inherited guilt. My friends, it is all about control. It's time to let it go. Jewish people (who, like the rest of us, are evolving consciousnesses which happen to be experiencing a Jewish lifetime), will never be free until they step out of the mental and emotional control of this tiny clique, which uses them in the most merciless ways to advance its own sick and diabolical ambitions, in league with an equally sick clique of non-Jews."

Icke, p. 137



"After the war, the Nuremberg [sic] trials sat in judgement on the Germans. When you look beyond the sanitised history books, you see that those trials were a farce, a calculated exercise in revenge and manipulation, often punishing those without influence to cover the tracks of those who had it... like the Americans on the boards of the U.S.-Nazi cartels and parent companies."

Icke, p. 137



Since the publication of "....and the truth shall set you free", Icke's anti-Semitic and conspiracist writings have continued in the same vein. If anything, they have become even more bizarre with his latest contention that the world is run by an Illuminati conspiracy composed of New World Order powerbrokers who are blood-sucking, child-sacrificing Satanists and are direct genetic descendants of a race of extraterrestrial reptiles capable of changing shapes.



"It's funny that since I began writing and speaking about reptilian bloodlines running the world, which, according to the mainstream and many conspiracy "researchers", is apparently ridiculous, you would have expected the opposition to my work to subside.... BUT HOW FUNNY! THE OPPOSITE HAS HAPPENED. SINCE I BEGAN TALKING ABOUT THE REPTILIAN CONNECTION, THE OPPOSITION HAS BEEN INCREASED SUBSTANTIALLY. WHY? IF I AND THE ENDLESS PEOPLE ANCIENT AND MODERN WHO HAVE SEEN THE SHAPE-SHIFTERS ARE SO MISGUIDED, WHY HAS THE OPPOSITION INCREASED SO MUCH SINCE THE BIGGEST SECRET WAS PUBLISHED AND NOT THE OPPOSITE?"

"Illuminati Onslaught Against David Icke In Canada!", David Icke E-Magazine Special Report, October 8, 1999, emphasis in original



"The following list has been compiled from the wealth of research I have put together over the last ten years. I would suggest that all of these are reptilian bloodline, but I only mention shapeshifting where it has been witnessed. It is only an initial list and will be added to. If you can add names, and give the supporting evidence, that would be most helpful in exposing these horrors. By "Satanists", of course, I mean those involved in human sacrifice.... George Bush: U.S. President and Vice President, head of the CIA, and a stream of other roles in the Illuminati. Satanist, mind controller, torturer of children and adults, paedophile, shapeshifting reptilian, and major drug runner. Serial killer. Nice man.... Queen Elizabeth II of the U.K.: Satanist, child sacrificer, shapeshifting reptilian. Major Illuminati figure."

"List of Famous Satanists, Paedophiles And Mind Controllers",
David Icke web site: <http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles/listsatan.html>
Others on this list include Bill and Hillary Clinton, Lord Mountbatten, Mikhael Gorbachev, Bob Hope and Kris Kristofferson