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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2013?

Postby elfismiles » Fri Dec 20, 2013 8:22 pm

Perhaps my post caught Chica's attention?

DisinfoTV: The Montauk Project
The Philadelphia Experiment Murder


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAE9tuHTz0s

Parallel Universes and the Physics of Insanity

ForbiddenKnowledgeTV
Alexandra Bruce
December 17, 2013

I was the Line Producer and an interviewee in this segment, which was part of a pilot for a series that was successfully sold to British Channel 4 in 2000 (or thereabouts).

Ahhh...the pre-9/11 world, where there was mental space to contemplate such stuff - rather than its ramifications!

I was in the middle of writing a book on the subject:

http://www.amazon.com/Philadelphia-Expe ... 461&sr=1-3

During the process of writing this book, I met all of the principals who claimed to be involved, as well as one who denied being involved, namely, the project's Director; the man in charge of hiring, firing and paying personnel. You'll have to find out for yourself who that was, as I do not feel comfortable sharing his name in this format.

I felt as if I were being swallowed up in the parallel universes of the Montauk Project, itself and I experienced hideous dreams which came true, including 9/11, down to the detail of the burning rubble, 4 months after the the attacks (I did live one block away, at the time) and the creation of prison barges, policed by alien hybrids; rusting barges which looked incredibly similar to these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_nV3T3jTFk

I couldn't shake the sense of being stalked while working on this book and although I am still asked by radio stations to discuss the subject, I rarely do. I have essentially turned my back on this subject because the consequences of writing this book seemed to result in one disaster after another, in my life and I just grew completely sick and tired of the whole thing.

Last year, I was surprised, during a flight on Virgin Express Airlines, flying to California for Christmas, when my niece, who was flying with me asked if that wasn't me on the little TV screens on the backs of the seats in front of us. I was shocked to find this very segment playing on that airline, via the Boing! Boing! Channel, with whom Virgin has a distribution deal and they were featuring this seminal episode in the annals of parapolitics, along with an interview with the show's producer, Richard Metzger.

I went on to write 3 books for this publisher, which sold its book operation last year to the New Age conglomerate, RedWheel-Weiser.

If you like it weird - you'll like this!

http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/vid ... oject.html


elfismiles » 10 Dec 2013 18:16 wrote:Hola HoL!

Thanks but ... I didn't realize there were Peter Moon links on that page I sent ... I don't really buy-into much of Moon's shtick nor most of the stories swirling around the Montauk mythos. Moon is, somehow, entertwined with the history of Matheny's ONG'S HAT / INCUNABULA argishness.

Chica Bruce ~ The Montauk Boys

SNIP

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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2013?

Postby Hammer of Los » Fri Dec 20, 2013 8:42 pm

...
I'm not sure I like it that weird.

I try to insulate myself to some degree.

I might check out the details above, if I have time.

If its scarey I won't like it.
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2013?

Postby Cosmic Cowbell » Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:41 am

The List Fades To Black

Not, perhaps, the merriest Christmas news for some subscribers
and readers to/of UFO UpDates, but the time has come...

The world has moved on, apparently beyond the need of a
centralised service such as this List - witness the dramatic
drop in List-bound traffic of the last few years.

So, the plan is to mothball the List and for Glenn Campbell to
take-back the Archive, by this coming New Year's Day, via his
hosting company. Glenn wrote the script that made the Archive
work and originally hosted it. The post.nul will
also be retired at the end of the year.

The Archive's addresses - depending on how you access it -
should not change. Nor should the search facility. "Should",
because until we actually move the Archive we won't know.

I'm grateful to all those who contributed 90,000+ posts to
UFO UpDates over these many years, increasing the awareness and
knowledge of the phenomena and my 'ufological' education.

My thanks to Glenn Campbell for his advice and support over the
years and for taking over the Archive for the benefit of
succeeding generations of the 'seriously interested'.

I've been retired for the past six years tho' there are still
things on my bucket list to be completed, such as the digitising
and uploading of several hundred hours of my Strange Days...
Indeed radio program to virtuallystrange.net ...

Trusting that all will be revealed, eventually,

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http://www.ufoupdateslist.com/2013/dec/m23-001.shtml
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2013?

Postby elfismiles » Thu Dec 26, 2013 4:37 pm

Thanks CC - apparently EBK posted this on Monday, right after we left town for the holidaze.

I'd been wondering if this moment was near as there'd been little to no traffic in a while.

Truly a sad day.

I'm typing this via my phone (what a pain and yet techno wonder) and after reading your post had gone over to my email app and had to dig down into a particular email box's sub folder for UFO updates and refresh ...

And there was the notice you reposted - along with scores of farewells and thank you notes from list folk.

Farewell ufo updates elist...

Cosmic Cowbell » 26 Dec 2013 04:41 wrote:
The List Fades To Black

Not, perhaps, the merriest Christmas news for some subscribers
and readers to/of UFO UpDates, but the time has come...

The world has moved on, apparently beyond the need of a
centralised service such as this List - witness the dramatic
drop in List-bound traffic of the last few years.

So, the plan is to mothball the List and for Glenn Campbell to
take-back the Archive, by this coming New Year's Day, via his
hosting company. Glenn wrote the script that made the Archive
work and originally hosted it. The post.nul will
also be retired at the end of the year.

The Archive's addresses - depending on how you access it -
should not change. Nor should the search facility. "Should",
because until we actually move the Archive we won't know.

I'm grateful to all those who contributed 90,000+ posts to
UFO UpDates over these many years, increasing the awareness and
knowledge of the phenomena and my 'ufological' education.

My thanks to Glenn Campbell for his advice and support over the
years and for taking over the Archive for the benefit of
succeeding generations of the 'seriously interested'.

I've been retired for the past six years tho' there are still
things on my bucket list to be completed, such as the digitising
and uploading of several hundred hours of my Strange Days...
Indeed radio program to virtuallystrange.net ...

Trusting that all will be revealed, eventually,

Errol Bruce-Knapp
Late-Moderator of UFO UpDates - Toronto


http://www.ufoupdateslist.com/2013/dec/m23-001.shtml
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2013?

Postby slimmouse » Tue Dec 31, 2013 9:49 am

Heres my personal interpretaiton of where I see UFOlogy as we move into 2014.

Its an interview by Mike Clelland with Grant Cameron. Both Clellands website and podcasts, which reflect his own opinion based upon personal experence and endless numbers of interviews with people who claim to have personally encountered the phenomenon , are pointing to an almost all encompassing answer to the question, which I find truly refreshing.

When all is possible, especially based upon generations of anectodal evidence (ofent from multiple witnesses) why the fuck anyone takes sides about all of this is quite frankly beyond me.

Which is to say, that sure, the nuts and bolts stuff probably does exist, but at the same time offering equal space to the "extra-dimensional", and extremely synchronous nature of the field, as opposed to simply physical entities of insectoid, or "grey" or reptilian nature, flying on craft from far distant galaxies.

It should go without saying for anyone who knows me that Im not neccesarily on the same page with this particular discusssion in all areas.

But I would say its well worth a listen for anyone interested in the whole phenomenon.

When you examine all the evidence and accounts, it becomes reasonably clear that the entire area of its study, along with the UFO community needs to embrace more closely this kind of all encompassing thinking in order to get to the root of it.

Cameron certainly thinks so.

Link to the interview,

http://hiddenexperience.blogspot.com/20 ... meron.html

Slad, if youre reading this, I wrote to Clelland today asking him for more details regarding your PM.
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2013?

Postby elfismiles » Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:58 pm

Thank you for the headsup Slimm

I've not kept pace with Clelland's work enough and the reminder of his efforts is greatly appreciated.

:thumbsup

EDIT / PS - direct links to the podcasts ref'd:
http://hiddenexperience.podbean.com/mf/ ... CT2012.mp3
http://www.skeptiko.com/upload/skeptiko ... ameron.mp3

slimmouse » 31 Dec 2013 13:49 wrote:Heres my personal interpretaiton of where I see UFOlogy as we move into 2014.

Its an interview by Mike Clelland with Grant Cameron. Both Clellands website and podcasts, which reflect his own opinion based upon personal experence and endless numbers of interviews with people who claim to have personally encountered the phenomenon , are pointing to an almost all encompassing answer to the question, which I find truly refreshing.

When all is possible, especially based upon generations of anectodal evidence (ofent from multiple witnesses) why the fuck anyone takes sides about all of this is quite frankly beyond me.

Which is to say, that sure, the nuts and bolts stuff probably does exist, but at the same time offering equal space to the "extra-dimensional", and extremely synchronous nature of the field, as opposed to simply physical entities of insectoid, or "grey" or reptilian nature, flying on craft from far distant galaxies.

It should go without saying for anyone who knows me that Im not neccesarily on the same page with this particular discusssion in all areas.

But I would say its well worth a listen for anyone interested in the whole phenomenon.

When you examine all the evidence and accounts, it becomes reasonably clear that the entire area of its study, along with the UFO community needs to embrace more closely this kind of all encompassing thinking in order to get to the root of it.

Cameron certainly thinks so.

Link to the interview,

http://hiddenexperience.blogspot.com/20 ... meron.html

Slad, if youre reading this, I wrote to Clelland today asking him for more details regarding your PM.
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2013?

Postby elfismiles » Tue Dec 31, 2013 1:17 pm

RE: Grant Cameron interview ... he's referencing this interaction we talked about previously:

elfismiles » 31 Jul 2013 20:11 wrote:As if in reply to my HELP thread looking for that RuneSoup and Grant Cameron quotes about Eric Walker and ESP connections to UFOs, the Universe continues to provide...


... more info and links at above link.
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2013?

Postby slimmouse » Tue Dec 31, 2013 1:39 pm

Hey elfis, thanks for the replies.

I think the most potent infrormation I personally gleaned from this, is Camerons suggestion of how far the "control system" already understands about the "extra dimensional" nature of this phenomenon, because theyve already been there and done that as is evidenced by any number of programmes theyve inititiated which look into "extra dimensional" nature.

That isnt neccesarily to say that they know it all. Far from it.

But it clearly says to me that they know it exists.

ON EDIT.

"Extra - dimensional is probably best defined as "interdimensional"
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2013?

Postby elfismiles » Sun Jan 05, 2014 4:33 pm

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Earthquake Lights Thought to Be UFOs Have Earthly Explanations by Daniel O’Brien
http://guardianlv.com/2014/01/earthquak ... lanations/

Sources

DesignNTrend.com
LiveScience.com
ScientificAmerican.com


Yer welcome Slim.

slimmouse » 31 Dec 2013 17:39 wrote:Hey elfis, thanks for the replies.
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2013?

Postby elfismiles » Fri Jan 10, 2014 3:50 pm

More on Palladium via Curt Collins ...

Thursday, January 9, 2014
Area 51, the CIA and Cold War UFOs: TD Barnes
TD Barnes on Area 51, the CIA and Cold War UFOs

In Mirage Men, Mark Pilkington discusses how Dr. Leon Davidson thought some UFO radar appearances were man-made, created for covert counterintelligence purposes. Pilkington discussed the use of a program used to create radar "ghosts," Project Palladium, and how it could be used for this purpose.

TD Barnes, president of Roadrunners Internationale, was kind enough to answer some of my questions about his work at Area 51 and the purpose and capabilities of the CIA radar program known as Project Palladium.

REST HERE:
http://www.blueblurrylines.com/2014/01/ ... arnes.html


elfismiles » 30 Aug 2013 16:34 wrote:Palladium is touched upon in Annie J's AREA-51 book. I've not finished reading it but so far the references have not included the idea of it being used to spoof UFOs per se - mostly just to test radar air defenses of Cuba etc.

Sunday, May 12, 2013Top Secret Projects and 'Top Secret Writers'

The UFO community has collectively been aware for quite some time of Project PALLADIUM, a now declassified operation nonetheless deserving periodic mention. The project involved the development of technology that created false radar paints.

Gene Poteat, formerly of the CIA Directorate of Science and Technology, composed a 1998 report titled, Stealth, Countermeasures, and ELINT, 1960-1975. Poteat, who was directly involved in PALLADIUM, wrote about the project, “I came up with a scheme to electronically generate and inject carefully calibrated false targets into the Soviet radars, deceiving them into seeing and tracking a ghost aircraft... [W]e could now simulate an aircraft of any radar cross section from an invisible stealth airplane to one that made a large blip on Soviet radar screens – and anything in between, at any speed and altitude, and fly it along any path...

“Every PALLADIUM operation consisted of a CIA team with its ghost aircraft system, an NSA team with its special COMINT and decryption equipment, and a military operational support team.”

The report went on to state that such operations were conducted all over the world. Readers familiar with the work of Mark Pilkington will recall he addressed such circumstances in his book Mirage Men. Pilkington expressed suspicions such technology was involved in the Washington, DC flap of 1952. He also noted in his book that as late as 1986 US intelligence officials considered conducting a PALLADIUM-like operation in Libya, the purposes of which would have included creating confusion and paranoia within the Khadafi regime.

Such circumstances provide food for thought in the grand scheme of ufology. This might particularly be the case when considered in the context of such instances as the apparent CIA involvement in the contactee movement of the fifties, as well as a 1950 RAND report, The Exploitation of Superstitions for Purposes of Psychological Warfare, which described such strategies as an operation conducted in Italy that greatly resembled and predated the Flatwoods Monster incident of UFO lore. One way or another, it should be of interest to members of the UFO community that the US Defense Department was conclusively in the business of creating false UFO incidents.

http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2013/05/to ... ecret.html
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2013?

Postby elfismiles » Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:08 pm

Taking E.T. Home: Birth of a Modern Myth
By Peter W. Merlin
http://home.comcast.net/~tprinty/UFO/SUNlite5_6.pdf

Taking E.T. Home: Birth of a Modern Myth
By Peter W. Merlin
One of the world’s foremost aeronautical engineers stunned UFO researchers by apparently admitting personal knowledge of technology for interstellar travel during a March 1993 lecture at the University of California, Los Angeles. Jan Harzan, now executive director of Mutual UFO Network (MUFON), attended the event and shared his story in a January 2012 interview with Web Talk Radio Network, and again with Alejandro Rojas of Open Minds UFO News and Investigations in July 2013. Harzan said he attended the presentation
with fellow UCLA engineering alumnus and UFO enthusiast Tom Keller because the featured speaker was Ben R. Rich, former president of Lockheed’s Advanced Development Projects (ADP) division
that is best known as the Skunk Works and has a reputation for developing cutting-edge aerospace technology.
Rich had a long and distinguished career highlighted by his involvement
with designing the world’s highest-flying and fastest jet aircraft,
and others that redefined the future of military aviation. After working in Lockheed’s main plant in Burbank for several years, he joined the Skunk Works group in 1954 as a thermodynamicist on the XF-104 project where he helped design a prototype jet-powered interceptor capable of speeds in excess of 1,300 miles per hour. He later served as senior design engineer for the U-2 high-altitude reconnaissance plane, and helped develop the Blackbird family of high-speed aircraft that included the A-12, YF-12, and SR-71. In 1975, he became head of ADP and oversaw development of several of the very first stealth vehicles, aircraft that were virtually invisible to radar detection. Nearly all of the programs he worked on began as top-secret, special-access “black” projects that were tested at the infamous Area 51 in Nevada, focus of much UFO lore.
Rich was a member of the National Academy of Engineering and winner of numerous awards including the 1989 Collier Trophy and Department of Defense Medal for Distinguished Public Service. He retired from Lockheed ADP in 1990, but continued to serve as a consultant for government and industry. Throughout his career and after retirement, until shortly before his death from cancer in January 1995, he traveled the country giving presentations on the accomplishments of the Skunk Works.
“Joke ‘em if they can’t take a…”
His lecture at the 1993 UCLA alumni meeting was well attended. Harzan and Keller joined an audience that by Harzan’s account included some 200 engineers. During his presentation Rich showed about two-dozen slides highlighting many of the aircraft he had worked on, and dropped tantalizing hints about projects as yet unrevealed to the public. Toward the end he discussed the stealthy F-117A that was secretly flown for the first time in June 1981 but had not been unveiled by the Defense Department until November 1988, several years after achieving operational capability. He also spoke of the YF-22, a technology demonstrator that in 1991 had been named winner of the Advanced Tactical Fighter competition and served as a prototype for the F-22A Raptor. Further tantalizing the audience, Rich alluded to Lockheed’s continuing efforts in the development of advanced aircraft technologies but expressed regret that he could not discuss them. “He intimated that there was a lot of other stuff going on that he could not talk about,” said Harzan.
Rich then showed his final slide, a picture of a disk-shaped craft – the classic “flying saucer” – flying into a partly cloudy sky with a burst of sunlight in the background. According to Harzan, Rich ended
his speech by claiming “We now have the technology to take E.T. home.” The crowed laughed at this, as they were no doubt meant to, but Harzan and Keller were shocked. “Did he really just say that, and are these people really not getting that what he is saying is real?”
Well, the short answer is, no, he did not say that, not precisely. What Keller, an aerospace engineer who has worked as a computer systems
analyst for NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory, subsequently misquoted
in the May 2010 issue of MUFON UFO Journal had become Rich’s standard tag line. It was a joke he had carefully honed over the span of a decade, ever since a homely little alien endeared itself to movie audiences across the globe.
When Steven Spielberg’s E.T. the Extraterrestrial was released in the United States on June 11, 1982, it opened at number one with a box office gross of $11 million, and stayed at the top for six weeks. By
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1983, the film about a young boy befriending a lost visitor from space and helping the alien get home had superseded Star Wars as the highest-grossing film of all-time. The term “E.T.” inevitably entered the general lexicon, and became what today would be called a meme, an idea spread from person to person within a culture. Standout images from the movie, such as the alien’s glowing fingertip and a flying bicycle silhouetted against the full moon, were repeated in myriad forms and often parodied. Rich apparently decided to capitalize on this popularity, or perhaps the term had simply become embedded in his own psyche.
By the spring of 1983, he had added the flying saucer picture to the end of a set of between 12 and 25 slides that he showed with his lecture. Rich had long used a standard script for his talks, tailoring the content as necessary to accommodate his audience. Since most Skunk Works current projects were classified, it didn’t matter whether he was addressing school children or professional aeronautical
engineers; he always ended the same way.
“Unfortunately, I cannot tell you what we have been doing for the last 10 years,” he opined at a Defense Week symposium on future space systems in Washington, D.C., on September 20, 1983. “It seems we score a breakthrough at the Skunk Works every decade, so if you invite me back in 10 years I’ll be able to tell you what we are doing [now].” Having set the bait, he prepared to reel in his hook. “I can tell you about a contract we recently received,” he intoned solemnly. Every ear in the room pricked up. The silence was palpable. “The Skunk Works has been assigned the task of getting E.T. back home.” Laughter followed.
This was precisely the reaction Rich expected and hoped for since he began using the gag, at least as early as April 1983 during a presentation at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in Troy, New York. If something is successful, it is worth repeating. Rich gave a nearly identical speech at the U.S. Naval Academy, Annapolis, Maryland, on September 6, 1984, and continued using his script during successive
appearances. Sometimes he refined the details a bit. “I wish I could tell you what else we are doing in the Skunk Works,” he said, wrapping up a presentation for the Beverly Hills chapter of the National Society of Daughters of the American Revolution on May 23, 1990. “You’ll have to ask me back in a few years. I will conclude by telling you that last week we received a contract to take E.T. back home.”
Three years later he was still using the same line and the same slide. “We did the F-104, C-130, U-2, SR-71, F-117 and many other programs that I can’t talk about,” he proclaimed during a 1993 speech at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio, home of Air Force Materiel Command, the organization responsible for all flight-testing within the Air Force. “We are still working very hard; I just can’t tell you what we are doing.” As usual, he added his by now infamous punch line, “The Air Force has just given us a contract to take E.T. back home.”
A Myth is Born
Few people noticed Rich’s little joke until it caught the attention of Harzan and Keller during the UCLA presentation. Harzan now says that after the lecture ended a few people remained behind to ask questions. Some wanted to know more about the technology
to “take E.T. home.” Harzan says Rich initially brushed off these queries but eventually told one engineer, “We now know how to travel to the stars. We found an error in the equations and it won’t take a lifetime to do it.” Not surprisingly, this response spurred more questions. “He didn’t say what the equations were.” Harzan lamented, “I’m assuming they are Maxwell’s equations [on the generation of electrical and magnetic fields, and which form the basis of theories involving quantum electrodynamics].” As things began to wind down, Rich said, “I’ve got to go now,” and started to walk out of the room. Harzan pursued him, and continued to question him on the workings of interstellar propulsion systems. Rich finally stopped and turned, then said to Harzan, “Well, let me ask you; how does ESP work?” Stunned, Harzan considered the question and finally stammered, “I don’t know. All points in space and time are connected?” Rich responded, “That’s how it works,” then abruptly turned and walked away.
Harzan and others have interpreted Rich’s final comments as tacit admission that interstellar propulsion technology exists, that it is in the hands of U.S. scientists, and that it involves a specific set of known equations. But, taken in context, it sounds more like Rich knew he had carried his joke too far and talked himself into a corner. It is likely that he would have said, “That’s how it works,” no matter what Harzan’s answer had been. Even if Rich had said, “Look, I was just kidding,” it would have done no good. The damage was done.
Within the UFO community, Rich’s words, and additional statements attributed to him without corroborative proof, have become gospel. He is named as having admitted that extraterrestrial UFO visitors are real and that the U.S. military has interstellar capabilities,
and although nearly two full years passed between Rich’s UCLA speech and his death in 1995, some believers have touted his comments as a “deathbed confession.” According to one un-sourced quote, Rich allegedly stated, “We already have the means to travel
among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects, and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity. Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do.” While it is demonstrably verifiable that he felt that some programs remained classified too long for no good reason, he also clearly understood both the occasional need for secrecy and the limitations of current technology. In a 1994 interview for Popular Science magazine, Rich said, “We have some new things. We are not stagnating. What we are doing is updating ourselves, without advertising. There are some new programs, and there are certain things, some of them 20 or 30 years old, that are still breakthroughs and appropriate to keep quiet about [because] other people don’t have them yet.”
According to another un-sourced quote, Rich supposedly said, “First, you have to understand that we will not get to the stars using chemical propulsion. Second, we have to devise a new propulsion technology. What we have to do is find out where Einstein went wrong.” Indeed, those sound like the words of an engineer, and not one who already knew the secret of interstellar travel.
Rich was a brilliant scientist and an inquisitive person. He apparently believed in the existence of other intelligent life in the universe, though only as something distant and mysterious. In July 1986, after Testor Corporation model-kit designer John Andrews wrote asking what he thought about the possible existence of either manmade or extraterrestrial UFOs, Rich responded, “I’m a believer in both categories. I feel everything is possible.” He cautioned, however, that, “In both categories, there are a lot of kooks and charlatans – be cautious.”
(The author wishes to thank The Huntington Library, San Marino, California, for allowing access to material from the personal papers of Ben R. Rich, and for granting permission to reproduce images from the collection.)

http://home.comcast.net/~tprinty/UFO/SUNlite5_6.pdf


elfismiles » 31 Jul 2013 20:11 wrote:As if in reply to my HELP thread looking for that RuneSoup and Grant Cameron quotes about Eric Walker and ESP connections to UFOs, the Universe continues to provide...

Lockheed Skunk Works director says ESP is the key to interstellar travel (Video)
Posted by: Alejandro Rojas July 26, 2013


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX7q--QLz1k

According to a UCLA engineering alumnus, in 1993 a fellow alumnus, who happened to run one of the most advanced and secretive aircraft development organizations in the world, says the key to the technology that will allow us to travel to the stars, without taking a lifetime to get there, lies in ESP.

Lockheed Martin Skunk Works logo. (Credit: Lockheed Martin)
Ben Rich was the director of Lockheed’s Skunk Works from 1975 to 1991. Skunk Works is a division of Lockheed Martin that develops super high-tech aircraft, and is responsible for developing the U-2, the SR-71 Blackbird, the F-117 Nighthawk stealth bomber, and the F-22 Raptor.

In a recent interview with Open Minds, Jan Harzan, the new director of the Mutual UFO Network, told us about a presentation by Rich he attended in which he feels Rich shared some amazing insight. Like Rich, Harzan received an engineering degree from UCLA. In 1993, Harzan received an invitation from the alumni association to attend a talk by Rich at the alumni center.

Harzan attended the lecture with his friend Tom Keller, who is also an engineering alumnus of UCLA and shares Harzan’s interest in UFOs. Keller wrote a book on the topic titled, The Total Novice’s Guide to UFOs, which was published in 2010. Harzan estimates there were about 200 engineers in attendance.

Rich’s presentation consisted of a slide presentation outlining his 40 years with Skunk Works. The last aircraft he discussed was the F-117 which was developed in the early 80s, but was not revealed to the public until the late 80s. Rich alluded to more advanced technologies which have been developed since the F-117 but still remain secret.


F-117 Nighthawks (Credit: US Air Force)
Harzan says, “He intimated that there was a lot of other stuff going on that he could not talk about.” It was here that Harzan says things began to get really interesting. Harzan told us, “He ended his talk with a black disk zipping out into outer space, and he ended it with these words: ‘We now have the technology to take ET home.’”

Harzan says after this statement the crowd laughed, but he and Keller were shocked. He says, “Tom and I just looked at each other, ‘Did he really just say that, and are these people really not getting that what he is saying is real?’”

After the lecture, Harzan says 20 or so engineers gathered up around Rich to ask more questions. One lady asked about the technology to take ET home, but Rich sort of ignored the question. However, after being pressed by a couple of the other attendees, Rich asked one of the engineers if they thought it was possible to travel to the stars.

The engineer replied, “I don’t know, it would just take a long time to get there.” To which Rich responded that it would not. He told the group, “We found an error in the equations and we now know how to travel to the stars, and it won’t take us a lifetime to do it.”

Harzan says Rich did not say what equations he was referring to, but Harzan assumes they are what are known as Maxwell’s equations. However, he admits that this is just a guess.


Ben Rich in front of an SR-71 Blackbird. (Credit: Lockheed Martin)
Finally, Rich excused himself and began walking towards the door. Harzan called to Rich to ask him one last question. He told Rich, “I have a real interest in the propulsion you are talking about that gets us to the stars. Can you tell me how it works?”

Harzan says Rich stopped and looked at him, then asked Harzan if he knew how ESP worked. Jan says he was taken aback by the question and responded, “I don’t know, all points in space and time are connected?” Rich replied, “That’s how it works.” Then he turned around and walked away.

Harzan doesn’t know if he gave the answer Rich was looking for, or if Rich was simply referring to ESP as being the key to how the technology works, but he does believe there is something to Rich’s response.

Harzan says he feels he left the presentation with three very important clues, “One, we have the technology to take ET home. Two is there is an error in the equations… Finally, the way ESP works is the same way that this technology works. So there you have it. All that is left up to us is to go figure it out.”

http://www.openminds.tv/lockheed-skunk- ... ideo-1092/


elfismiles » 28 Jul 2013 15:10 wrote:Didn't someone start a thread specifically for finding lost threads? Now I can't find THAT thread.

Anywhoo...

So, perhaps it is within the WHERE IS UFOLOGY AT IN (fill-in-year) thread but, after cursory looksies around using both the board search and google site search I can't find what I'm looking for.

Maybe such a thread (that one or this one) could be pinned / stickied to the top of the general discussion forum?

I found JustDrew's reference to it but can't find it:

Towards a Collection of Neglected UFO/ESP Researchers
justdrew » 18 May 2013 20:36 wrote:if you go through the 3 - 5 old 70's UFO docs I've posted in the "where's it at" thread, there's a wealth of now mostly forgotten researchers.


The information I'm looking for was (I think) from a blogspot.com blog wherein a transcript of an interview from years/decades ago was posted involving nuts-and-bolts oriented ufologists interviewing (I think) someone possibly connected to Canada's flying-saucer building projects and the nuts-and-bolts dudes kept trying to ask about how the ET saucers worked, their propulsion, but the interviewee kept talking about ESP and PSI but the nuts-and-boltsters kept NOT understanding why the interviewee kept bringing up these paranormal / parapsychology topics.


AH, WAIT, I think I found it... or maybe not ... any help is still appreciated.

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/view ... 10#p500910





elfismiles » 28 Jul 2013 18:23 wrote:Thanks folks. Usually I feel pretty competent at finding past posts but this one was vexing me.

Found it ... 82_28's that I quoted above led me to the Wombat's follow-up which was the nitty-gritty i seek:

Wombaticus Rex » 24 May 2013 22:36 wrote:I think you're quite correct on that. Sample from the Rune Soup post that's from:
http://runesoup.com/2013/03/everything- ... lications/

This is also an article that casually drops the revelation that Jacques Vallee came up with using coordinates to frontload RV sessions, and he did so in the cafeteria of SRI, in conversation with Ingo Swann. One line I keep coming back to is "RV struggles to process numbers or letters," because it so closely parallels with my own lucid dream explorations. I have, in recent years, been able to successfully read whole pages in lucid dreams now, but it moves/changes when I'm not looking and reads very much like Finnegans Wake, which I probably need to re-read. (Like, perhaps for the rest of my life.)

Anyways, forsooth:

Gordon transcribing a Grant Cameron Interview wrote:So in 1950 when [Wilbert] Smith writes this [UFO] memo to the Canadian government, describing what he’s been told by officials of the United States, he talks about the UFO stuff which everybody quotes. The very next line everybody leaves out. I left it out for years, too. He said, “I was further informed that U.S. authorities (and you’ve got to get that—U.S. authorities) are investigating along quite a number of lines which might possibly be related to the Saucers such as mental phenomena, and I gather they are not doing too well since they have indicated that if Canada is doing anything at all along the lines of geomagnetics they would welcome a discussion with suitably accredited Canadians.”

So he’s basically saying that they’ve got this connection with mental phenomena and if there’s anybody inside Canada who’s working on it, if you get cleared to talk on a classified level, we’re willing to talk to you because we’re trying to figure this thing out….

The one was I mentioned Dr. Robert Starbacher and he was giving material to Wilbert Smith and when Stanton [Friedman] interviewed him he says, “Well, who was there? Was anybody alive? You’re mentioning all these guys who are dead.” He said, “There’s this one guy from Pennsylvania. He was real arrogant. He thought he knew everything. He attended all the meetings.” We tracked this guy down and he turns out to be Dr. Eric Walker, who was former President of Penn State University.

For 15 years he was the Chairman of the Board of the Institute for Defence Analysis, which is the top military think tank for the United States military. He was the co-developer of the homing torpedo. He was friends with Vannevar Bush. He had this incredible, unbelievable background of military and connections with Presidents and stuff like this. So when we go to him, we’re interviewing him as UFO researchers. We’re not thinking about the mind; we couldn’t care less about that, no connection whatsoever.

We’re talking to him and we’re trying to find out about this supposed UFO group that runs the whole thing, the MJ-12. We’re asking him questions about MJ-12. “Did you have contact with the aliens? How did the thing operate? How did you cover-up the UFO thing?” And suddenly in the middle of one of these interviews in 1990, he’s interviewed for about eight years. I’m running this team of researchers around the world. I’m not talking to them. There are people who say, “I can get Walker to talk.”

“Okay, here’s his phone number.” And what we’d do is we’d take all the interviews that are done with him and we put them in a book. In 1990 in the middle of one of these interviews, he suddenly cuts off the conversation talking about hardware, about bodies and all this, and he suddenly says, “How good is your sixth sense? How much do you know about ESP?” And the other guy goes, “Well, not really.” It’s not of interest to him. And Walker says, “Unless you know about it and how to use it, you will not be taken in.”

Because the question was about who’s running the group. What’s this MJ-12? How many people are in the group? How are these people operating? And he says, “Unless you know about ESP and how to use it, you would not be taken in by this MJ-12, this over-riding group that runs the UFO program. Only a few know about it.” We saw the interview and I put it in the book. We published the book in 1990. We’re about to re-publish the book. We put it in this book in 1991.

We never mentioned it in the book. We never brought up this mention of the fact that ESP was involved because it meant nothing to us. We were into the hardware and the bodies and all this sort of stuff. But he mentions this in 1990. Then in 1993 there’s a related story about a conversation that takes place with Ben Rich. Ben Rich was the guy who ran Skunk Works, where the U2, the SR-71, the Stealth fighter, the Stealth bomber, they were all developed by what was called Skunk Works.

Ben Rich ran [Skunk Works] and he would get a number of questions about was this UFO technology. He’s giving a lecture in 1993. He’s dying of cancer. He gives a lecture at UCLA to a bunch of engineers and he’s talking and he says, “We’ve got the technology to take ET home.” He gives his lecture, he finishes the lecture, he’s walking out, and one of the engineers who was interested in UFOs runs after him.

He says to Ben Rich, “How are these things propelled? How are UFOs propelled?” And Ben Rich turns around and says to him, “Let me ask you a question. How does ESP work?” And the guy says, “Well, it means that all points in time and space are connected.” And Ben Rich turns around and he says, “That’s how they work.” And so here’s this top guy in U.S. military research who’s saying ESP, that’s how UFOs are propelled. So you get these connections years later that basically put this together.


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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2013?

Postby justdrew » Fri Jan 17, 2014 8:32 pm

http://webtalkradio.net/internet-talk-radio/2012/01/23/are-ufo%E2%80%99s-real-%E2%80%93-ibm-executive-recounts-ufo-experience-and-shocking-1993-ben-rich-lecture/

kinda disappointing, nothing new, just recounting the Ben Rich stuff. Which he does in his own voice in a youtube video I've seen.

Methinks Ben was just trumpeting the awesome powers of lockheed-martin and generally making shit up. I just cant believe it's true, we see absolutely nothing from this stuff, 'revealed' by ben rich now two decades ago! It was bullshit from a bullshit artist, too bad. Someone prove me wrong, I'd love to be.

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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2013?

Postby justdrew » Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:53 am

:shrug:


Michael Schratt

they talk some Ben Rich stuff early on, Schratt has info about other 'skunk works' people and their thoughts on Rich's statements.

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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2013?

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:32 pm


Ibiza holiday jet in near miss with UFO over Reading
A Thomas Cook airliner flying holidaymakers home from Ibiza to Manchester passes "within feet" of a UFO
A Thomas Cook airliner flying holidaymakers home from Ibiza to Manchester passes
The Telegraph has established the aircraft was an A320, with the registration G-KKAZ, which was made in 2003 Photo: Alamy
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Any pilot flying holidaymakers between Manchester and Ibiza must be prepared for outlandish sights.
But perhaps nothing so apparently unworldly as this.
The captain of a Thomas Cook airliner flying tourists back from the Spanish holiday island to the north of England reported a "near miss" with a "rugby ball"-shaped UFO, which passed within feet of his jet.
The encounter, over Reading, Berks, was reported to the aviation authorities, who launched an investigation. But no earthly identity for the object could be established.
The encounter was disclosed earlier this month by the Telegraph, following the publication of a report into the inquiry. The document did not identify the aircraft involved.
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However, following an analysis of flight data recorded on the internet, the Telegraph has established it was a Thomas Cook plane, with the flight number TCX24HX. It was an A320, with the registration G-KKAZ, which was made in 2003.
The jet was flying to Manchester International airport, from Ibiza, on July 19th 2013. For years, the island has enjoyed a hedonistic reputation, attracting thousands of tourists each summer, many attracted to its vibrant nightlife. In recent years, it has attracted an increasingly upmarket clientele, among them David and Samantha Cameron.
The aircraft was flying at 516mph, at an altitude of 34,000ft, when it was passed by the UFO.
The encounter occurred in daylight, at around 6.35pm. It only emerged following publication of the report, which concluded it was “not possible to trace the object or determine the likely cause of the sighting”.
The captain said he spotted the object travelling towards the jet out of a left hand side, cockpit window, apparently heading directly for it. He said there was no time to for the aircrew to take evasive action.
He told investigators he was certain the object was going to crash into his aircraft and ducked as it headed towards him.
The incident was investigated by the UK Airprox Board, which studies “near misses” involving aircraft in British airspace.
The report states: “(The captain) was under the apprehension that they were on collision course with no time to react. His immediate reaction was to duck to the right and reach over to alert the FO (First Officer); there was no time to talk to alert him.”
It adds: “The Captain was fully expecting to experience some kind of impact with a conflicting aircraft.”
He told investigators he believes the object passes “within a few feet” above the jet.
He described it as being “cigar/rugby ball like” in shape, bright silver and apparently “metallic” in construction.
Once it had passed, the captain checked the aircraft’s instruments and contacted air traffic controllers to report the incident. However, there was no sign of the mystery craft.
As part of the inquiry, data recordings were checked to establish what other aircraft were in the area at the time. However, all were eliminated. The investigation also ruled out meteorological balloons, after checking none were released in the vicinity. Toy balloons were also discounted, as they are not large enough to reach such heights. Military radar operators were contacted but were unable to trace the reported object.
A spokesman for Thomas Cook Airlines said, “All our pilots are trained and required to report any unexpected events that occur during the flight to the aviation authorities.”
The Ministry of Defence closed its UFO desk in December 2009, along with its hotline for reporting such sightings. Following that change, the Civil Aviation Authority took the decision that it would continue to look into such reports, from aircrew and air traffic controllers, because they could have implications for “flight safety”.
In 2012, the head of the National Air Traffic Control Services admitted staff detected around one unexplained flying object every month.
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2013?

Postby slimmouse » Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:42 am

Heres yet another fine interview by Mike Mclelllan, this time with Brad Steiger, covering so many subjects that many of us have been discussing here lately with regard to many things.

Synchronistically delivered to almost perfection it appears.

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