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Postby Rory » Thu Jan 30, 2014 4:58 pm

I read that and wonder Wtf..
Is, 'Kill List' (movie) a documentary about the above?
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Postby cptmarginal » Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:55 pm

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014 ... mmy-savile

William Roache lawyer says his trial is haunted by spectre of Jimmy Savile

Defence lawyer says Savile 'infected' investigation and it is nonsense to suggest Coronation Street star was sexual predator

Friday 31 January 2014 10.27 EST

The case against Coronation Street's William Roache is nonsense, and the trial is haunted by the spectre of Jimmy Savile, a court has been told.

Louise Blackwell QC, defending Roache, poured scorn on the idea that the actor had turned from a "perfect gentleman" to a sexual predator and back again.

Roache, 81, who plays Ken Barlow in the ITV soap, is accused of using his fame and popularity to exploit "starstruck" youngsters in the late 60s and early 70s.

His trial, now in its third week, has heard from five women who claim he sexually assaulted them when they were 16 or under, either at Granada Studios in Manchester, in his car or at properties he owned between 1967 and 1972.

He denies all the charges and has told the jury at Preston crown court he has no knowledge of any of the women he is supposed to have assaulted.

In the defence case's final submissions to the jury, Blackwell said: "Jimmy Savile is like an elephant in the room. You can't ignore it. Jimmy Savile has affected – in fact, infected – this trial and investigation of these offences."

Roache, from Wilmslow, Cheshire, denies two counts of rape and four counts of indecent assault involving the complainants between the mid-1960s and early 1970s.

Blackwell went through each of the accounts of the complainants to point out "contradictions and inconsistencies".

She said the first woman to come forward who claimed she was raped was unsure how old she was, 14 or 15, at the time. Why, she asked the jury, had she not mentioned the alleged attack in 1967 to anyone until 2013?

"You never breathed a word, even to your best friend at school?" Blackwell said to the jury. She said the complainant was a virgin at the time and the defendant a famous actor.

Addressing the eight women and four men on the jury, Blackwell continued: "How many women would not remember exactly how old they were when they lost their virginity?

"We submit to you that's the sort of thing that happens in a young woman's life that she has real clarity about. It's not just the first experience of sex, but it was horrid and you were raped.

"We say, it's just not possible you don't know how old you were. It totally lacks sense and credibility."

Blackwell reminded the jury that the same woman said she was raped a second time by the defendant in the following months – instead of staying away from him from "hate" or "fear".

"Does this all have the ring of truth to you?" Blackwell asked. "You would not put yourself in that situation. It is, we submit, absolutely unbelievable."

Blackwell reminded the jury of the glowing testimonies given about the defendant by his co-stars, Ann Kirkbride, who plays his on-screen wife Deirdre Barlow, and Helen Worth, also known as Gail Platt.

"You may well have had preconceptions about Mr Roache when you saw him give evidence," Blackwell said. "Did he appear to you as a gentle, nice, lovely man?

"What the prosecution say is that for some weird reason between 1965 and 1972, for no discernible reason, Mr Roache departed from his usual character and behaviour and became a young woman-snatcher, a risk-taker, taking people into toilets.

"Then as soon as this madness is visited upon him, it passes. It's nonsense, it just doesn't happen in the real world."

The trial continues.
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Postby cptmarginal » Sat Feb 01, 2014 6:05 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-sout ... s-25867257

Lostprophets' Ian Watkins seeks leave to appeal against length of sentence

23 January 2014

Paedophile rock star Ian Watkins is seeking leave to appeal against the length of his jail term for child sex offences, including the attempted rape of a baby.

The Lostprophets singer from Pontypridd was jailed for 29 years and will spend another six years on licence.

The Court of Appeal confirmed an application was lodged two days ago.

Watkins, 36, was sentenced last month alongside two women who are the mothers of the children he abused.

Known only as Woman A and Woman B, they were jailed for 14 and 17 years respectively.

Watkins admitted the attempted rape and sexual assault of a child under 13 but pleaded not guilty to rape.

He also admitted conspiring to rape a child, three counts of sexual assault involving children, seven involving taking, making or possessing indecent images of children and one of possessing an extreme pornographic image involving a sex act on an animal.

During sentencing, Mr Justice Royce said: "Those who have appeared in these courts over many years, see here, a large number of horrific cases."
'Corrupting influence'

"This case breaks new ground. Any decent person... will experience shock, revulsion and incredulity."

He added it was a "classic case that the evidence was so overwhelming" there should not be credit given.

The judge said Watkins had a "corrupting influence" and had shown a "complete lack of remorse".

He also said Watkins posed a significant risk to the public in particular to women with young children.

The NSPCC said Watkins's sentence reflected the severe damage caused by a "highly manipulative and devious sex offender".

The charity said referrals to its helpline went up by more than 70% following the case and it urged victims to come forward.

Des Mannion, NSPCC national head of service for Wales, said Watkins "used his status and global fame as a means to manipulate people and sexually abuse children".

South Wales Police are investigating whether Watkins also committed offences in Germany and America and the IPCC has confirmed it was investigating three police forces over the case.

The South Yorkshire, Bedfordshire and South Wales Police forces are being investigated over information received about Watkins before his arrest in December 2012.


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Postby semper occultus » Mon Feb 03, 2014 10:26 am

^^...they deserve locking up for their whole cringe-makingly wannabe faux-American nu-metal lite pseudo-fakeness generally - in other pop-music news :

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2550486/Beloved-pop-star-abused-10-year-old-boy-Alleged-victim-witness-spoken-Savile-police-officers.html

Beloved pop star 'abused 10-year-old boy': Alleged victim and witness have spoken to Savile police officers

Accuser claims he was abused when he was just 10, it has been reported

A witness to the alleged attack has also spoken to police officers

The famous singer has not been identified for legal reasons

By Rebecca Camber

PUBLISHED: 17:14, 2 February 2014 | UPDATED: 01:55, 3 February 2014



One of the world’s most famous pop stars is being investigated by police over claims that he sexually abused a ten-year-old boy.

The music legend is said to be terrified of arrest after a witness came forward to report an alleged attack on a schoolboy said to have taken place decades ago.

Detectives from Operation Yewtree, the Scotland Yard investigation set up to examine historical sex abuse claims in the wake of the Jimmy Savile scandal, are understood to have taken a statement from the victim last year.

But in recent weeks police have also spoken to a witness who apparently backs up the claims by the man.

The pop star is accused of abuse dating back several decades. Police are examining a number of witness statements alleging historical sex assaults by him, it was claimed yesterday.

The musician, who cannot be named for legal reasons, is said to be petrified of being arrested by detectives and has recently held a number of frantic meetings with his lawyers.

Yesterday a source close to the inquiry said: ‘This is huge, and detectives are examining more than one witness statement. The alleged victim was very young at the time, which makes it a more serious allegation. This inquiry is not going to go away, and police will make arrests when they feel they have enough to do so.’

A spokesman for the veteran artist, who has had a number of hit records, declined to comment yesterday.
Operation Yewtree was launched in October 2012 after Savile, who died aged 84 in 2011, was exposed as a predatory paedophile who abused hundreds of victims. It has three strands – one looking at Savile, another focusing on ‘Savile and others’ and a third concentrating on those not linked to the former BBC DJ and TV presenter.

The operation has cost £2.7million so far, of which £490,000 has been paid out in overtime to the 30-strong detective team. It has led to 16 arrests, with four people charged and five suspects remaining on bail.
Among the stars arrested as part of the inquiry are 83-year-old entertainer Rolf Harris, who denies 12 charges of indecent assault and four counts of making indecent images of children.
PR guru Max Clifford, 70, has pleaded not guilty to 11 indecent assaults. Others arrested include pop paedophile Gary Glitter, 69, and radio presenter Paul Gambaccini, 64. Comedian Freddie Starr, 71, has been arrested three times over abuse claims.
Former Radio One DJ Chris Denning, 72, a colleague of Savile, has also been held three times over alleged sexual offences. All deny the allegations.
Police have ruled out seven suspects, including Celebrity Big Brother winner Jim Davidson, 60, who was arrested last January before being told he faced no further action eight months later. A Metropolitan Police spokesman refused to comment on the investigation last night.



*cough* John ?
*cough* Richard ?

:shrug:

(... that's just 2 random boy's names entirely unrelated to the story copied above btw )


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Postby stefano » Mon Feb 03, 2014 10:53 am

Cliff Richard?
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Postby coffin_dodger » Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:11 am

Is it really time for Smelton Bon to face the music? If it's Cliff, Sue Barker got some 'splainin to do...and baaaack to the BBC we go...
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Postby cptmarginal » Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:22 pm

This seems unusual... I wonder which unsolved crimes, specifically, he was tested against.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rders.html

Police who let Jimmy Savile escape with decades of child abuse have now used his DNA to try and link him to a string of unsolved deaths - but he has been cleared

-The prolific paedophile was a suspect in a number of 'cold cases'
-The family of the disgraced TV star gave detectives consent for tests
-His DNA was originally taken for love child test that came back negative


6 February 2014

Jimmy Savile - who got away with decades of sex abuse even though he was questioned by detectives over assault allegations - has now been investigated for a string of major unsolved crimes, including murder.

The prolific paedophile was a possible suspect in a number of other serious attacks and police checked his DNA for matches with evidence from crime scenes.

But after the former DJ's family agreed for his stored DNA to be used the tests came back negative.

A relative of the disgraced BBC TV star had to sign legal documents during a visit to Leeds, West Yorkshire, by officers from New Scotland Yard.

A spokesman for New Scotland Yard said: 'We can confirm that a DNA search was conducted against outstanding and unidentified DNA samples. The search, which was speculative, has now been completed and there were no matches.

'The search was done with the permission of a family representative and they have been advised of the result.'

A family spokeswoman said: 'We gave consent for Jimmy's DNA to be checked and have been awaiting the results.

'We have tried to be as helpful as possible in the circumstances. We are relieved to hear that the DNA does not match any of the crimes, as we expected.'

DNA was originally taken for use in connection with alleged love child Georgina Ray, who had demanded it be checked for a match. The test results came back negative.

Crimes the star had been linked to after his death included a connection to a Yorkshire Ripper victim whose body was found near to his Leeds flat.

Savile and Peter Sutcliffe later appeared to have formed a disturbing friendship, with the BBC star visiting the killer in jail and describing him as a 'mate' after later trips to see him in Broadmoor Hospital.

The former Top of the Pops presenter's relatives and friends say they have endured a torturous 18 months since the scandal broke.

In November 2012 it emerged that a dentist made a cast of Savile's teeth to check against the bite-marks found on the bodies of the Yorkshire Ripper's victims.

His teeth were examined in 1980, a year before Sutcliffe, now 66, was convicted of murdering 13 women and attempting to kill seven others.
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Postby cptmarginal » Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:32 pm

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Police cover up Savile's claims to be friends with Queen's cousin: Paedophile 'visited school at centre of abuse allegations with Princess Alexandra'

2 February 2014

-Paedophile mentioned first trip to school at centre of abuse claims

-He said he was with Princess Alexandra, a patron of the school

-Made claims during police interview, the transcription of which was edited

-Information was removed by Surrey Police but has now been unveiled


Paedophile Jimmy Savile's claims to be close to the Queen's cousin were hushed up by police, it has been claimed.

The disgraced ex-Top Of The Pops presenter told Surrey Police detectives in a 2009 interview that the first time he attended Duncroft Approved School for Girls in Staines, Surrey, was with Princess Alexandra, now 77.

It is claimed that Savile abused girls at the school.

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Sir Angus Ogilvy, Princess Alexandra's husband (left) with Jimmy Savile. All mention of the former DJ's claims to friendship with the royal was initially omitted from police transcripts

All mention of Princess Alexandra, the youngest granddaughter of King George V and Queen Mary and the widow of Sir Angus Ogilvy, was blacked out when transcripts of the police interview were released in October.

But following an appeal by the Daily Star Sunday to the Information Commissioner's Office, Surrey Police have released fresh transcripts with at least four mentions of her.

He told detectives: '... right I went there, with Princess Alexandra, and Alex was a friend of mine anyway, still is.'

Savile later added: 'Now that was a great day we all had, the first time I ever went there.'

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Princess Alexandra With Her Husband, Sir Angus Ogilvy. Savile claimed to be a friend of the Princess

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Savile and Sir Ogilvy at a National Association of Youth Clubs reception in the seventies

Chillingly, Savile wrote in 1974 biography: 'Princess Alex is a patron of a hostel for girls in care. At this place I'm a cross between a term-time boyfriend and a fixer of special trips out.'

In 2009 a prosecutor requested that all Savile's books be reviewed to see if there was any mention of Duncroft.

The former radio DJ was discovered to be a prolific paedophile who may have raped 34 women and girls and sexually assaulted up to 450, including children as young as eight, after he died in 2011.

He wrote in Duncroft's visitor book: 'Jimmy Savile called – and fell in love with all!!! I wonder if it’s legal to have 20 wives.'

Women who were pupils at the school, for intelligent but emotionally disturbed girls, were the first to come forward to tell how he preyed on them.

A statement from Surrey Police said: 'Information relating to Surrey Police's on-going investigation into Duncroft School and all personal details of victims or potential witnesses were redacted from the transcripts.

'Following a review by the Information Commissioner's Office, some of the redactions have been shortened or revised.

'This included releasing the name of Princess Alexandra. Her name had been previously published by Surrey Police in a report in January last year and was therefore already in the public domain.

'Savile's biographies were reviewed in 2009 as part of the investigation, as stated in our previous published report.'
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Postby cptmarginal » Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:44 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angus_Ogilvy

Sir Angus James Bruce Ogilvy, KCVO (14 September 1928 – 26 December 2004) was a British businessman, best known as the husband of Princess Alexandra of Kent, a first cousin of Queen Elizabeth II.[1]

Ogilvy is also remembered for his role in a scandal involving the breaking of sanctions against the regime in Rhodesia in the 1970s in the Lonrho affair. In later years he was heavily involved in charity work.[1]


http://www.theguardian.com/news/2004/de ... s.monarchy

Sir Angus Ogilvy, who has died at the age of 76 after treatment for cancer and pneumonia, was a man of honourable intentions whose business career was blighted by his involvement in the 1973 Lonrho trade sanctions breach scandal. The affair was described by the then prime minister, Edward Heath, as "the unpleasant and unacceptable face of capitalism".

In the following years Ogilvy devoted much of his time and energy to good causes, and was notable for his support of his wife, Princess Alexandra, one of the most popular members of the royal family, in her official duties.

The Department of Trade's report into the London and Rhodesia Mining and Land Company (Lonrho) said that he had been "negligent" as a director and had shown "weakness and indecision" in failing to restrain the aggressive management style of RW "Tiny" Rowland (obituary, July 27 1998), whom he had recruited as chief executive to revitalise the company. Ogilvy and others involved with Rowland suffered from association with business practices regarded as offensive to conservative City interests.

Ogilvy believed the report was unfair, but he felt obliged to resign his Lonrho directorship, and all 16 of his other City appointments as "the only honourable thing to do". Several companies, including the Rank Organisation and the property group MEPC, refused to let him go, and he retained a few directorships. Later he joined GEC and Sotheby's.

His retreat from the City mainstream was seen as a great loss to the business world, to which he had given more than 20 years of hard work and loyalty. As a businessman, he had personal flaws: an accepting, trusting nature, a hatred of rows, and a tendency to concentrate on immediate concerns rather than take the long view.

In 1989 he was appointed a Knight Commander of the Royal Victorian Order, an honour in the gift of the Queen, and to him and the establishment this signified that the cloud over his professional life had at last been lifted. In 1997 he was made a privy counsellor.

Born in London, Ogilvy was the second son of the Earl and Countess of Airlie. His family, with its roots in ancient Scottish history, had close associations with the royal family as friends and trusted courtiers. His grandmother, Mabell, wife of the 11th Earl, was lady of the bedchamber and confidante of Queen Mary; his father, the 12th Earl, had been lord in waiting to King George V and lord chamberlain to Queen Elizabeth, both as consort to King George VI and as Queen Mother. His elder brother, the 13th Earl, was lord chamberlain to Queen Elizabeth II.

Olgivy was educated at Heatherdown, near Ascot; at Eton; and at Trinity College, Oxford, graduating in 1950 with a degree in philosophy, politics and economics. During his national service, from 1946 to 1948, he was commissioned in the Scots Guards, and after university was talent-spotted by the financier Harold Drayton, who at the time headed a group of successful trusts.

He was appointed a director of the Drayton Group in 1956, and once held 50 directorships, many with Drayton associated companies.

In 1961, he met Rowland and, impressed by his approach, persuaded Drayton to finance the expansion of Rowland's business, mainly concerned with concessionary interests in what was then Rhodesia. Ogilvy believed Rowland could reinvigorate Lonhro, then part of Drayton, and under Rowland's thrusting leadership the company grew into an international conglomerate.

The bubble burst in 1973 with a boardroom row centred on Rowland's management style and the company's financial organisation. The feud went to the courts, prompting Heath's verdict, and a Department of Trade investigation.

In 1963, Ogilvy married Princess Alexandra, the daughter of Prince George, Duke of Kent, and Princess Marina of Greece. Prince George, who was killed in a second world war aircraft crash, had been the youngest surviving son of King George V and Queen Mary.

Olgivie and his bride had known each other for eight years, and had shared friends and interests; their Westminster Abbey wedding attracted national attention, and it suggested the new possibility of a more informal style for royalty.

Ogilvy had made it clear that he had no intention of ascending into the ranks of supernumerary royalty and wished to remain a commoner, but the marriage imposed new social demands and with them, financial pressures that drove him to achieve. A friend remarked: "All this fuelled his natural tendency to be a workaholic." He was soon afflicted with a gastric ulcer, a price other male outsiders have paid for entry into the royal circle.

Ogilvy was later quoted as saying: "It was financial brinkmanship. I was always determined that my wife would fulfil her duties only in the best and most proper style."

In the first year of marriage he bought, from the crown, on a mortgage, the lease of Thatched House Lodge, in Richmond Park, having refused a grace and favour residence offered by the Queen. The considerable, for the times, asking price was £150,000.

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He was president of the Imperial Cancer Research Fund (1964-94), chairman of Youth Clubs UK (1969-89), and involved with Arthritis Care, NCH Action for Children, the Prince's Youth Business Trust, the Leeds Castle Foundation, Business in the Community, the Society for Promoting Christian Knowledge, and the Carr-Gomm Society, a halfway house for those with drug, drink or social problems. He was also a member of the Royal Company of Archers, the sovereign's bodyguard in Scotland.
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Postby cptmarginal » Thu Feb 13, 2014 8:07 pm

Lyndon LaRouche has a bunch of stuff concerning the Windsors, Ogilvy & "Tiny" Rowland, but I view anything coming from his direction with a healthy amount of suspicion. Nonetheless, here's one example:

Archive.org - Tiny Rowland: The Ugly Face of Neocolonialism in Africa

One man, above all the rest, bears special, personal responsibility for mass death in Africa, for the torture of the bodies and souls of its people: Roland Walter "Tiny" Rowland, "the dominant Western businessman in postcolonial Africa," 3 boss of the British multinational, Lonrho.

From 1909 until 1961, the London and Rhodesia Mining and Land Corporation Ltd.— later Lonrho — -was a sleepy Rhodesia-based mining firm. It burgeoned after 1961, when Tiny Rowland was hired to lead it. During the past three decades, Lonrho grew at a compounded 16 percent annual rate, to become a major force in Africa, and one of the largest corporations in Britain. Its tentacles spread far and deep into most African countries, coiling ever more tightly around their economies.

Today, Lonrho employs over 100,000 people in Africa, 25,000 in Zimbabwe (formerly Rhodesia) alone. It is the largest foreign employer in the Republic of South Africa. It holds vast tracts of land in Mozambique, including one 100,000-acre plantation where the company issues its own money. It is the largest private food producer on the continent, the largest textile manufacturer, the largest producer of sugar: It is a major power in coal, platinum, gold, and rhodium mining. It conducts mining, manufacturing, ranching, farming, and trade in 29 African countries.

The pattern of economic activity throughout Africa in recent years, namely the plunge into a depth of collapse, that threatens whole nations and millions of people with extinction, bears the imprint of Lonrho — so mammoth is the company's presence on the continent. Dozens of countries had their destinies shaped by Lonrho and its boss, Tiny Rowland. The firm and the man alike come with a reputation for ruthlessness, and a mile-long trail of shady dealings. British Labour M.P. Willie Hamilton once exclaimed, "They are a bunch of crooks running Lonrho and should be in Brixton prison, every one of them:" 4

Lonrho and Rowland are shrouded in mystery. Numerous journalists have attempted to pierce the fog of lies, partial truths, and confusion in which Rowland wraps himself and his company; some even did, but their stories — when written at all — were spiked, again and; again, by editors terrified of the power of Tiny Rowland. Writers and editors are all too aware, how often those who crossed Rowland in business or in politics, particularly in Africa, wound up dead or destroyed.

Rowland biographer Dick Hall, who has known the Lonrho boss for over a quarter century, recounted a typical incident, which occurred when he was working on My Life With Tiny. "A former member of his close entourage looked terrified when I visited his office not long ago to ask about the background to one controversial deal in Africa. 'I'd rather not talk to you,' he said, after doodling nervously on a pad. 'Don't you realize that Tiny destroys people? I have a wife and children to think about:'." 5

A prominent Conservative Member of Parliament, attempting to explain his own and his colleagues' reluctance to attack Rowland publicly, though many, of them would dearly like to, began like this: "It is not that I fear being killed, though of course one never knows in a case like this "

There was a book published in 1976, titled Lonrho: Portrait of a Multinational, by S. Cronje, M. Ling, and G. Cronje. Informative though it was, the book was largely based on newspaper and magazine archives and other material in the public domain. Even this was too much for Lonrho's protectors. Several years after Portrait went out of print, a single African nation was prepared to buy enough copies of it to warrant a second printing: The British government intervened, and no second edition appeared.
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Postby semper occultus » Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:11 am

......the PIE : NCCL link is old news - looks like its now subject to some formal investigation :


The truth about Labour's apologists for paedophilia: Police probe child sex campaign group linked to three top party officials in wake of Savile scandal

Harriet Harman, Jack Dromey and Patricia Hewitt linked to vile group
They were key figures at National Council for Civil Liberties (NCCL)

The NCCL was an 'affiliate' of the Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE)
PIE members may have abused children on an 'industrial scale'

By Guy Adams and Michael Seamark
PUBLISHED: 23:13, 18 February 2014 | UPDATED: 08:02, 19 February 2014


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2562518/The-truth-Labour-apologists-paedophilia-Police-probe-child-sex-group-linked-party-officials-wake-Savile.html


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Key roles: Harriet Harman and husband Jack Dromey. They were leading officials in the NCCL, which was linked to predatory pedophile group PIE

The full extent of the shocking links between three senior Labour figures and a vile group that tried to legalise sex with children can be exposed today.
The trio held key roles in a human rights organisation that supported the notorious Paedophile Information Exchange.

Labour’s deputy leader Harriet Harman, her husband, home affairs spokesman Jack Dromey, and former health secretary Patricia Hewitt were all leading officials in the National Council for Civil Liberties.
Astonishingly this Left-wing group granted ‘affiliate’ status to PIE and built close links with it.

The group of predatory paedophiles was calling for the age of consent to be cut to just four.

Police are now investigating PIE as part of Operation Fernbridge, launched in the wake of the Jimmy Savile scandal.

A senior source on the investigation says there is evidence PIE members were abusing children ‘on an industrial scale’.
The Home Office is also probing shocking claims that the Labour government of the 1970s may have helped finance the paedophile group.

Civil servants are trawling through decades of files after an ‘insider’ claimed tens of thousands of pounds were funnelled to PIE in the form of annual grants to the network of child abusers while James Callaghan was in Downing Street.


A Daily Mail investigation has discovered that during the 1970s and 1980s:

* Miss Hewitt described PIE in glowing terms as ‘a campaigning/counselling group for adults attracted to children’;

* The NCCL lobbied Parliament for the age of sexual consent to be cut to ten – if the child consented and ‘understood the nature of the act’.

* It called for incest to be legalised in what one MP dubbed a ‘Lolita’s charter’;

* The NCCL claimed research shows young paedophile victims are often ‘consenting or even the initiators of the sexual acts involved’;
* It filed a submission to Parliament claiming that ‘childhood sexual experiences, willingly engaged in, with an adult, result in no identifiable damage’.
* Miss Harman, as NCCL legal officer, tried to water down child pornography laws.
* NCCL lawyers acted for a PIE member who was quizzed by police over appalling behaviour.
The Mail has repeatedly sent detailed questions to Miss Harman, Miss Hewitt and Mr Dromey about their links to PIE and whether they now regret supporting such a vile group. Neither Miss Hewitt nor Mr Dromey replied.
A spokesman for Miss Harman said: ‘This story is untrue and ridiculous.’

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Leading figure: Former Health Secretary Patricia Hewitt. She was general secretary of the NCCL from 1974-1983

In December, when the Mail first drew attention to the links between the NCCL and PIE, a public apology was issued by Shami Chakrabarti of Liberty, which is the name the NCCL now goes under.
Miss Chakrabarti, who was born in 1969 and had nothing to do with the sordid affair, said: ‘It is a source of continuing disgust and horror that even the NCCL had to expel paedophiles from its ranks in 1983 after infiltration at some point in the Seventies.
‘The most important lesson learned by Liberty over the subsequent 30 years was to become a well-governed modern human rights movement in which protecting the vulnerable, especially children, will always come first.’
The NCCL was part of the radical Left lobbying for a change in the law to reflect a more ‘enlightened’ attitude to sex between adults and minors and promote the ‘human rights’ of paedophiles.

Miss Hewitt was general secretary of the NCCL from 1974-83. Miss Harman was a newly-qualified solicitor when she became the NCCL’s legal officer in 1978 until 1982, when she entered Parliament. Mr Dromey sat on the NCCL executive committee for almost a decade, from 1970 to 1979.
The extraordinary links between PIE and the NCCL emerge in archives of internal NCCL documents held at the University of Hull and the London School of Economics. PIE’s campaigning in the 1970s caused public outrage.
The group’s members did not present themselves as child abusers but as ‘child lovers’ keen to ‘liberate’ children from sexual ‘repression’.
In 1978, Miss Harman wrote a briefing paper on the Protection of Children Bill, which sought to ban child pornography.
She claimed such a law would ‘increase censorship’ and argued that a pornographic picture of a naked child should not be considered indecent unless it could be proven that the subject had suffered.
In 1976, the NCCL filed a submission to a parliamentary committee claiming a proposed bill to protect children from sex abusers would ‘lead to damaging and absurd prosecutions’.
‘Childhood sexual experiences, willingly engaged in , with an adult result in no identifiable damage,’ it read. ‘The real need is a change in the attitude which assumes that all cases of paedophilia result in lasting damage.’
In 1982, Miss Hewitt published ‘The Police and Civil Liberties’, in which she discussed the jailing of PIE secretary Tom O’Carroll for conspiracy to corrupt public morals.
She wrote: ‘Conspiring to corrupt public morals is an offence incapable of definition or precise proof.’
After the Daily Mail highlighted the connection between the NCCL and PIE in December, a spokesman for Miss Harman said: ‘The very suggestion that Harriet was in any way supportive of the PIE or its aims is untrue and misleading.’
The Metropolitan Police began Operation Fernbridge in January 2013 into allegations that residents of a children's home in Richmond, West London, were taken to the nearby Elm Guest House in Barnes, where they were abused.
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Postby coffin_dodger » Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:30 am

I don't doubt that the above article has a great deal of merit, but I'm as ever uncomfortable with the 'LABOUR!' aspect - the Mail continues it's political games - by highlighting and scapegoating a part of a much greater whole.
If ever, the first msm rag to treat the political class as single unit will get my attention, quickly.
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Postby cptmarginal » Fri Feb 21, 2014 11:47 pm

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/460015 ... for-police

Jimmy Savile hosted 'Cop Idol' talent show for police

POLICE invited Jimmy Savile to host a “Cop Idol” talent show for teenagers despite his name being linked to two child sex inquiries, an investigation has revealed.

February 16, 2014

The pervert was chauffeured by officers to the X Factor-style event at a church where the chief constable was on the judging panel.

The disgraced DJ was chosen to hand out prizes to the starstruck youngsters, even though his name had already come up in abuse investigations by Surrey and Sussex Police.

The VIP treatment was provided by police in North Yorkshire where the Leeds-based presenter had a second home in Scarborough.

The force had already assured Surrey and Sussex Police that Savile had a clean record as far as North Yorkshire was concerned. The contest took place at Selby Abbey in September 2008. Scotland Yard was told about the event in interviews with residents of Whitby, near Scarborough, while collecting evidence for their dossier on Savile, who died in 2011.

Surrey Police, who began an inquiry into Savile in 2007, have said requests to every force for information relating to him drew a blank. Sussex Police conducted a similar check in April 2008.


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http://www.bedfordshire-news.co.uk/News ... 150842.htm

Jimmy Savile link to Shefford boys home questioned by MP Justine Greening

20/02/2014

AN MP has stepped in to help former residents of a Catholic boys home who claim they were physically and sexually abused.

Justine Greening is also to ask the police about a potential link to the home and Jimmy Savile, which Bedfordshire on Sunday has demonstrated.

Police have been investigating the claims, concerning St Francis Boys Home in Shefford, for more than 12 months.

It is the third time they have investigated the home.

Paperwork for the first two investigations, in 1998 and 2003, originally went missing but were subsequently found.

At that time Father John Ryan, who was in charge of the home from 1962 to its closure in 1973, was arrested and interviewed but never charged.

We interviewed Father Ryan in 2005 and he died a year later.

As well as the police investigation there is a ‘class action’ being undertaken by many of the former boys, against the Catholic Church.

Ms Greening has written to one of the former boys, who have legal anonymity, saying she will write to the Home Secretary, Theresa May, to highlight these concerns. The MP has asked Mrs May to look also at two previous deaths at the home and whether the original decisions concerning those deaths were correct or whether a corporate manslaughter charge can be brought.

This newspaper discovered that Jimmy Savile used to visit the home, as there was a Catholic Church on the site, which is still open. Savile was a devout Catholic and used to visit when staying at nearby Henlow Grange. He is pictured in Shefford in 1985, at the 40th anniversary of VE Day.

A former professional involved with the home has also been tracked down by this newspaper and has agreed to talk to the former residents’ lawyers.

A Bedfordshire Police spokesman said: “We will continue to look in to all new allegations relating to St Francis Boys Home. At this time none of the complaints received have made any reference to Jimmy Savile being involved. Officers from the Safeguarding Unit are also continuing investigations in to a recent report of historic abuse against a former staff member from an ex-resident whilst staying at the St Francis Boys Home. They have also located a further former staff member in connection with 28 reports received earlier in 2013. Both people have been arrested and released on police bail pending further investigations. As these investigations are ongoing, the disclosure of any further information may prejudice any prosecution that may arise out of these investigations.”


Maybe another parallel to Ian Watkins?

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Des Mannion, NSPCC national head of service for Wales, said Watkins "used his status and global fame as a means to manipulate people and sexually abuse children".

South Wales Police are investigating whether Watkins also committed offences in Germany and America and the IPCC has confirmed it was investigating three police forces over the case.

The South Yorkshire, Bedfordshire and South Wales Police forces are being investigated over information received about Watkins before his arrest in December 2012.
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Postby cptmarginal » Sat Feb 22, 2014 12:22 am

With each new place that Savile is linked to, I try to make it a point to search for previous references to the area on this forum. So in that spirit of open inquiry, here's some interesting details about Bedfordshire:

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The Pentagon has now designated "information operations" as its fifth "core competency" alongside land, sea, air and special forces. Since October 2006, every brigade, division and corps in the US military has had its own "psyop" element producing output for local media. This military activity is linked to the State Department's campaign of "public diplomacy" which includes funding radio stations and news websites. In Britain, the Directorate of Targeting and Information Operations in the Ministry of Defence works with specialists from 15 UK psyops, based at the Defence Intelligence and Security School at Chicksands in Bedfordshire.


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Next month, at the high court in London, lawyers representing more than 100 Iraqis who were held and interrogated by British forces, between the March 2003 invasion and April 2007, will argue that there is compelling evidence that they were tortured in a systematic manner.

The abuse, documented by a team of lawyers led by a Birmingham solicitor, Phil Shiner, includes 59 allegations of detainees being hooded, 11 of electric shocks, 122 of sound deprivation through the use of earmuffs, 52 of sleep deprivation, 131 of sight deprivation using blackened goggles, 39 of enforced nakedness and 18 allegations that detainees were kept awake by pornographic DVDs played on laptops.

At a preliminary hearing, a high court judge said it appeared to be accepted by the MoD that there were "arguable cases of ill-treatment" and added: "It appears also to be accepted that there is an arguable case of something systemic."

The court is not thought to be aware of the recent training material seen by the Guardian, however.

This material was created for the instruction of "tactical questioners", who conduct initial interrogations of prisoners of war, as well for the instruction of servicemen and women from all three branches of the armed forces who conduct "interrogation in depth".

The courses were run by interrogators operating within a military unit known as F Branch, part of the Joint Services Intelligence Organisation (Jsio), at the Jsio's Bedfordshire headquarters.

One PowerPoint aid, entitled Any Questions?, explains that the techniques have been developed over decades by British military interrogators serving in Borneo, Malaya, South Arabia, "Palastine" (sic), Cyprus and Northern Ireland. It explains that interrogators have faced "adverse pulicity (sic), investigations and problems" in the past. During operations in Cyprus in the 1950s, it says, such problems were created by members of parliament, and in Aden by the International Committee of the Red Cross. In northern Oman, trainees are informed, the problems were created by "our own side!".

Interrogators are advised to find a discreet place to conduct interrogations, preferably somewhere that looks "nasty". Shipping containers are said to be ideal places that offer "privacy for TQ and Interrogation sessions". The chosen location should always be "out of hearing" and "away from media".One of the documents states: "Torture is an absolute No No." However, it then goes on to recommend methods of ill-treatment that can be employed by interrogators.

Prisoners should be "conditioned" before questioning, with conditioning defined as the combined effects of self-induced pressure and "system-induced pressure". Harsh questioning – or "harshing" – in which an interrogator puts his face close to the prisoner, screaming, swearing and making threats, is recommended as a means to provoke "anxiety/fear". Other useful responses include "insecurity", "disorientation" and "humiliation".

The training material recommends that after a prisoner's clothes are removed, the interrogator ensures he is searched behind his foreskin and that his buttocks are spread. This is part of the conditioning process, rather than as a security measure. One section of the training course is entitled "positional asphyxiation – signs and symptoms".


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Meanwhile Group 4 Falck maintains that it “works both nationally and internationally on the basis of principles regarding such issues as human rights, racism and child labour.”

As Group 4 officially takes over in Australia, its operations elsewhere give a sense of things to come. It operated Europe’s largest immigration detention centre at Yarl’s Wood in Bedfordshire, England which was closed after being virtually destroyed by fire in February 2002. Firefighters complained that Group 4 had grossly inadequate safety measures and had impeded them from reaching the scene of the blaze.

Fire Brigades Union General Secretary, Andy Gilchrist criticised Group 4 for treating asylum seekers as “second class citizens” by putting “private profit before the lives of asylum seekers. Group 4 flatly refused to put a sprinkler system into these premises to cut their costs”. With last year’s takeover it is now the largest detention contractor in the UK.

In her book “Open Borders: The case against immigration controls” (Pluto, London, 2000), Teresa Hayter documents the poor conditions, inadequate medical facilities, punitive and racist treatment and lack of accountability that characterised the regime at Group 4’s Campsfield House near Oxford. So much for principles. More detentions and more cost-cutting mean bigger profits for companies like Group 4.


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Five arrests in 'slavery' raid at Greenacre travellers' site

It is thought some had been kept against their will for up to 15 years

Twenty-four men suspected of being held against their will have been found during a raid at a travellers' site.

Four men and a woman were arrested on suspicion of committing slavery offences in the raid at Greenacre travellers' site, Leighton Buzzard, Bedfordshire, on Sunday.

The men, who are English, Polish and Romanian, were found in "filthy and cramped" conditions, police said.

Det Ch Insp Sean O'Neill Bedfordshire Police

Those arrested are being held on suspicion of committing offences under the Slavery and Servitude Act 2010.

They are being held at police stations across Bedfordshire and Hertfordshire.

Weapons, drugs and money were also found at the site, police said.

More than 200 officers were involved in the raids.

'Shockingly filthy conditions'

The men, all believed to have been victims of slavery, were taken initially to an undisclosed medical centre for treatment.

[...]

"But in fact some people did leave and told us what was going on and when we looked back since 2008 we were aware of 28 people who had made similar accusations."

Police have appealed for help and ask anyone with any information to contact them in confidence.

During the operation, Bedfordshire Police were assisted by officers from the UK Human Trafficking Centre.


And speaking of Leighton Buzzard, Bedfordshire:

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Details of how Mark Kennedy went from police officer to businessman reveal the extent to which shadowy corporate firms appear to have developed links with the police. It also reveals something about Kennedy himself: with an apparent view to making money out of his access, the undercover officer used cryptic names derived from a science fiction television series, Stargate.

From 2003 until around March last year, Kennedy lived in the midst of the protest movement with the fake identity Mark Stone. Remarkably, he appears to have used that same undercover identity – which according to him cost the taxpayer £1.75m – to venture into private practice.

It is not known why Mark John Kennedy – born in Camberwell, south London on 7 July 1969 – quit his police job. However, he was apparently affected by the controversial police operation to arrest 114 people in Nottingham in April 2009 before protest action at Ratcliffe-on-Soar power station. He later offered to give evidence for the defence in the trial.

Documents seen by the Guardian suggest Kennedy put careful thought into what he would do after leaving the police. In February 2010 – a month before resigning – he set up Tokra Limited, at an address in Leighton Buzzard, Bedfordshire.

The fanciful name could have derived from a science fiction television series, Stargate. Kennedy might well have seen parallels between his company's mission and the plot, which features the Tok'ra as an alien race symbiotically inhabiting human hosts. In their human guise, the Tok'ra fight a powerful, evil race who seek to control and destroy the planet.

Calling himself a logistics officer, Kennedy registered himself as sole director of the company. Intriguingly, the address he used is the work address of Heather Millgate, a solicitor specialising in personal injury, and a former director of Global Open, a private security firm.

Global Open was set up in 2001 by Rod Leeming, a former special branch officer. The company keeps a "discreet watch" on protest groups for clients including E.ON.

It first came to public attention in 2007 when it was implicated in the case of Paul Mercer, a friend of the then Conservative shadow defence minister, Julian Lewis, who was exposed by the Campaign Against the Arms Trade of spying for the arms firm BAE.
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