Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby RocketMan » Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:13 am

FourthBase » Wed Mar 05, 2014 5:16 pm wrote:And, correction: It's the amount of ideologue on this board.
I'm morally allergic to all ideologies.
How about you? You hosting any?


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Thank you for clarifying your own stance. Your own perceived freedom from any ideology grants you the chutzpah to issue your mighty moral challenges to the rest of us hoi polloi who cling to our ideologies and shit.
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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby Julian the Apostate » Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:58 am

We might as well dispense with the "moral authority" argument altogether by bringing up all the illegal wars / manifest destiny the US has been involved in. You could apply that litmus test to many countries on Earth, not least Russia...so who has the moral authority to say anything regarding Russia's seizure of Ukraine? Everyone and every country has a right to their opinion on the matter. Nobody should just "stay out of it" and also, nobody has a right to say the 60% of russians in Crimea can't join Russia if that's what they want. I just think it sets a dangerous precedent.
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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby Julian the Apostate » Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:58 am

Julian the Apostate » Thu Mar 06, 2014 9:58 am wrote:We might as well dispense with the "moral authority" argument altogether by bringing up all the illegal wars / manifest destiny the US has been involved in. You could apply that litmus test to many countries on Earth, not least Russia...so who has the moral authority to say anything regarding Russia's seizure of Ukraine? Everyone and every country has a right to their opinion on the matter. Nobody should just "stay out of it" and also, nobody has a right to say the 60% of russians in Crimea can't join Russia if that's what they want. I just think it sets a dangerous precedent.


Seizure of Crimea I meant
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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby FourthBase » Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:07 am

RocketMan » 06 Mar 2014 09:13 wrote:
FourthBase » Wed Mar 05, 2014 5:16 pm wrote:And, correction: It's the amount of ideologue on this board.
I'm morally allergic to all ideologies.
How about you? You hosting any?


Yes, I am a leftist/socialist. I believe in social justice, equality, the right of every person to be what they want to be if that doesn't infringe on any other person and the welfare state.

Thank you for clarifying your own stance. Your own perceived freedom from any ideology grants you the chutzpah to issue your mighty moral challenges to the rest of us hoi polloi who cling to our ideologies and shit.


Right. Not that there's anything necessarily wrong with leftism, or even socialism. The problem is when an ideology predisposes you to misjudge shit because you wind up reflexively taking the Side Least Favorable to The Leading Villain in Your Grand Narrative. It's not "perceived" freedom, by the way. It's real. I've earned it. I sought it in the first place, and except for a brief trap here and there I have never really stopped questing, desperately, to be free from ideology. I think a lot of you feel like it's naive to think freedom from any ideology is even possible, so you stop trying.
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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby RocketMan » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:30 pm

FourthBase » Thu Mar 06, 2014 6:07 pm wrote:
RocketMan » 06 Mar 2014 09:13 wrote:
FourthBase » Wed Mar 05, 2014 5:16 pm wrote:And, correction: It's the amount of ideologue on this board.
I'm morally allergic to all ideologies.
How about you? You hosting any?


Yes, I am a leftist/socialist. I believe in social justice, equality, the right of every person to be what they want to be if that doesn't infringe on any other person and the welfare state.

Thank you for clarifying your own stance. Your own perceived freedom from any ideology grants you the chutzpah to issue your mighty moral challenges to the rest of us hoi polloi who cling to our ideologies and shit.


Right. Not that there's anything necessarily wrong with leftism, or even socialism. The problem is when an ideology predisposes you to misjudge shit because you wind up reflexively taking the Side Least Favorable to The Leading Villain in Your Grand Narrative. It's not "perceived" freedom, by the way. It's real. I've earned it. I sought it in the first place, and except for a brief trap here and there I have never really stopped questing, desperately, to be free from ideology. I think a lot of you feel like it's naive to think freedom from any ideology is even possible, so you stop trying.


I hear you and accept your position as coming from an honest place.

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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby RocketMan » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:41 pm

Oliver Stone just shared this article on Facebook (I love the guy, but have to say that as he had gotten on in years he's started to resemble the image of the contrarian crank he was unfairly saddled with a long time ago...also, HE TWEETED ME ONCE):

http://www.thenation.com/article/178344 ... ng-russia#

The degradation of mainstream American press coverage of Russia, a country still vital to US national security, has been under way for many years. If the recent tsunami of shamefully unprofessional and politically inflammatory articles in leading newspapers and magazines—particularly about the Sochi Olympics, Ukraine and, unfailingly, President Vladimir Putin—is an indication, this media malpractice is now pervasive and the new norm.

There are notable exceptions, but a general pattern has developed. Even in the venerable New York Times and Washington Post, news reports, editorials and commentaries no longer adhere rigorously to traditional journalistic standards, often failing to provide essential facts and context; to make a clear distinction between reporting and analysis; to require at least two different political or “expert” views on major developments; or to publish opposing opinions on their op-ed pages. As a result, American media on Russia today are less objective, less balanced, more conformist and scarcely less ideological than when they covered Soviet Russia during the Cold War.

The history of this degradation is also clear. It began in the early 1990s, following the end of the Soviet Union, when the US media adopted Washington’s narrative that almost everything President Boris Yeltsin did was a “transition from communism to democracy” and thus in America’s best interests. This included his economic “shock therapy” and oligarchic looting of essential state assets, which destroyed tens of millions of Russian lives; armed destruction of a popularly elected Parliament and imposition of a “presidential” Constitution, which dealt a crippling blow to democratization and now empowers Putin; brutal war in tiny Chechnya, which gave rise to terrorists in Russia’s North Caucasus; rigging of his own re-election in 1996; and leaving behind, in 1999, his approval ratings in single digits, a disintegrating country laden with weapons of mass destruction. Indeed, most American journalists still give the impression that Yeltsin was an ideal Russian leader.

Since the early 2000s, the media have followed a different leader-centric narrative, also consistent with US policy, that devalues multifaceted analysis for a relentless demonization of Putin, with little regard for facts. (Was any Soviet Communist leader after Stalin ever so personally villainized?) If Russia under Yeltsin was presented as having legitimate politics and national interests, we are now made to believe that Putin’s Russia has none at all, at home or abroad—even on its own borders, as in Ukraine.

Russia today has serious problems and many repugnant Kremlin policies. But anyone relying on mainstream American media will not find there any of their origins or influences in Yeltsin’s Russia or in provocative US policies since the 1990s—only in the “autocrat” Putin who, however authoritarian, in reality lacks such power. Nor is he credited with stabilizing a disintegrating nuclear-armed country, assisting US security pursuits from Afghanistan and Syria to Iran or even with granting amnesty, in December, to more than 1,000 jailed prisoners, including mothers of young children.

Not surprisingly, in January The Wall Street Journal featured the widely discredited former president of Georgia, Mikheil Saakashvili, branding Putin’s government as one of “deceit, violence and cynicism,” with the Kremlin a “nerve center of the troubles that bedevil the West.” But wanton Putin-bashing is also the dominant narrative in centrist, liberal and progressive media, from the Post, Times and The New Republic to CNN, MSNBC and HBO’s Real Time With Bill Maher, where Howard Dean, not previously known for his Russia expertise, recently declared, to the panel’s approval, “Vladimir Putin is a thug.”

The media therefore eagerly await Putin’s downfall—due to his “failing economy” (some of its indicators are better than US ones), the valor of street protesters and other right-minded oppositionists (whose policies are rarely examined), the defection of his electorate (his approval ratings remain around 65 percent) or some welcomed “cataclysm.” Evidently believing, as does the Times, for example, that democrats and a “much better future” will succeed Putin (not zealous ultranationalists growing in the streets and corridors of power), US commentators remain indifferent to what the hoped-for “destabilization of his regime” might mean in the world’s largest nuclear country.

Certainly, The New Republic’s lead writer on Russia, Julia Ioffe, does not explore the question, or much else of real consequence, in her nearly 10,000-word February 17 cover story. Ioffe’s bannered theme is devoutly Putin-phobic: “He Crushed His Opposition and Has Nothing to Show for It But a Country That Is Falling Apart.” Neither sweeping assertion is spelled out or documented. A compilation of chats with Russian-born Ioffe’s disaffected (but seemingly not “crushed”) Moscow acquaintances and titillating personal gossip long circulating on the Internet, the article seems better suited (apart from some factual errors) for the Russian tabloids, as does Ioffe’s disdain for objectivity. Protest shouts of “Russia without Putin!” and “Putin is a thief!” were “one of the most exhilarating moments I’d ever experienced.” So was tweeting “Putin’s fucked, y’all.” Nor does she forget the hopeful mantra “cataclysm seems closer than ever now.”

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For weeks, this toxic coverage has focused on the Sochi Olympics and the deepening crisis in Ukraine. Even before the Games began, the Times declared the newly built complex a “Soviet-style dystopia” and warned in a headline, Terrorism and Tension, Not Sports and Joy. On opening day, the paper found space for three anti-Putin articles and a lead editorial, a feat rivaled by the Post. Facts hardly mattered. Virtually every US report insisted that a record $51 billion “squandered” by Putin on the Sochi Games proved they were “corrupt.” But as Ben Aris of Business New Europe pointed out, as much as $44 billion may have been spent “to develop the infrastructure of the entire region,” investment “the entire country needs.”

Overall pre-Sochi coverage was even worse, exploiting the threat of terrorism so licentiously it seemed pornographic. The Post, long known among critical-minded Russia-watchers as Pravda on the Potomac, exemplified the media ethos. A sports columnist and an editorial page editor turned the Olympics into “a contest of wills” between the despised Putin’s “thugocracy” and terrorist “insurgents.” The “two warring parties” were so equated that readers might have wondered which to cheer for. If nothing else, American journalists gave terrorists an early victory, tainting “Putin’s Games” and frightening away many foreign spectators, including some relatives of the athletes.

The Sochi Games will soon pass, triumphantly or tragically, but the potentially fateful Ukrainian crisis will not. A new Cold War divide between West and East may now be unfolding, not in Berlin but in the heart of Russia’s historical civilization. The result could be a permanent confrontation fraught with instability and the threat of a hot war far worse than the one in Georgia in 2008. These dangers have been all but ignored in highly selective, partisan and inflammatory US media accounts, which portray the European Union’s “Partnership” proposal benignly as Ukraine’s chance for democracy, prosperity and escape from Russia, thwarted only by a “bullying” Putin and his “cronies” in Kiev.

Not long ago, committed readers could count on The New York Review of Books for factually trustworthy alternative perspectives on important historical and contemporary subjects. But when it comes to Russia and Ukraine, the NYRB has succumbed to the general media mania. In a January 21 blog post, Amy Knight, a regular contributor and inveterate Putin-basher, warned the US government against cooperating with the Kremlin on Sochi security, even suggesting that Putin’s secret services “might have had an interest in allowing or even facilitating such attacks” as killed or wounded dozens of Russians in Volgograd in December.

Knight’s innuendo prefigured a purported report on Ukraine by Yale professor Timothy Snyder in the February 20 issue. Omissions of facts, by journalists or scholars, are no less an untruth than misstatements of fact. Snyder’s article was full of both, which are widespread in the popular media, but these are in the esteemed NYRB and by an acclaimed academic. Consider a few of Snyder’s assertions:

§ ”On paper, Ukraine is now a dictatorship.” In fact, the “paper” legislation he’s referring to hardly constituted dictatorship, and in any event was soon repealed. Ukraine is in a state nearly the opposite of dictatorship—political chaos uncontrolled by President Viktor Yanukovych, the Parliament, the police or any other government institution.

§ ”The [parliamentary] deputies…have all but voted themselves out of existence.” Again, Snyder is alluding to the nullified “paper.” Moreover, serious discussions have been under way in Kiev about reverting to provisions in the 2004 Constitution that would return substantial presidential powers to the legislature, hardly “the end of parliamentary checks on presidential power,” as Snyder claims. (Does he dislike the prospect of a compromise outcome?)

§ ”Through remarkably large and peaceful public protests…Ukrainians have set a positive example for Europeans.” This astonishing statement may have been true in November, but it now raises questions about the “example” Snyder is advocating. The occupation of government buildings in Kiev and in Western Ukraine, the hurling of firebombs at police and other violent assaults on law enforcement officers and the proliferation of anti-Semitic slogans by a significant number of anti-Yanukovych protesters, all documented and even televised, are not an “example” most readers would recommend to Europeans or Americans. Nor are they tolerated, even if accompanied by episodes of police brutality, in any Western democracy.

§ ”Representatives of a minor group of the Ukrainian extreme right have taken credit for the violence.” This obfuscation implies that apart perhaps from a “minor group,” the “Ukrainian extreme right” is part of the positive “example” being set. (Many of its representatives have expressed hatred for Europe’s “anti-traditional” values, such as gay rights.) Still more, Snyder continues, “something is fishy,” strongly implying that the mob violence is actually being “done by russo-phone provocateurs” on behalf of “Yanukovych (or Putin).” As evidence, Snyder alludes to “reports” that the instigators “spoke Russian.” But millions of Ukrainians on both sides of their incipient civil war speak Russian.

§ Snyder reproduces yet another widespread media malpractice regarding Russia, the decline of editorial fact-checking. In a recent article in the International New York Times, he both inflates his assertions and tries to delete neofascist elements from his innocuous “Ukrainian extreme right.” Again without any verified evidence, he warns of a Putin-backed “armed intervention” in Ukraine after the Olympics and characterizes reliable reports of “Nazis and anti-Semites” among street protesters as “Russian propaganda.”

§ Perhaps the largest untruth promoted by Snyder and most US media is the claim that “Ukraine’s future integration into Europe” is “yearned for throughout the country.” But every informed observer knows—from Ukraine’s history, geography, languages, religions, culture, recent politics and opinion surveys—that the country is deeply divided as to whether it should join Europe or remain close politically and economically to Russia. There is not one Ukraine or one “Ukrainian people” but at least two, generally situated in its Western and Eastern regions.

Such factual distortions point to two flagrant omissions by Snyder and other US media accounts. The now exceedingly dangerous confrontation between the two Ukraines was not “ignited,” as the Times claims, by Yanukovych’s duplicitous negotiating—or by Putin—but by the EU’s reckless ultimatum, in November, that the democratically elected president of a profoundly divided country choose between Europe and Russia. Putin’s proposal for a tripartite arrangement, rarely if ever reported, was flatly rejected by US and EU officials.

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But the most crucial media omission is Moscow’s reasonable conviction that the struggle for Ukraine is yet another chapter in the West’s ongoing, US-led march toward post-Soviet Russia, which began in the 1990s with NATO’s eastward expansion and continued with US-funded NGO political activities inside Russia, a US-NATO military outpost in Georgia and missile-defense installations near Russia. Whether this longstanding Washington-Brussels policy is wise or reckless, it—not Putin’s December financial offer to save Ukraine’s collapsing economy—is deceitful. The EU’s “civilizational” proposal, for example, includes “security policy” provisions, almost never reported, that would apparently subordinate Ukraine to NATO.

Any doubts about the Obama administration’s real intentions in Ukraine should have been dispelled by the recently revealed taped conversation between a top State Department official, Victoria Nuland, and the US ambassador in Kiev. The media predictably focused on the source of the “leak” and on Nuland’s verbal “gaffe”—“Fuck the EU.” But the essential revelation was that high-level US officials were plotting to “midwife” a new, anti-Russian Ukrainian government by ousting or neutralizing its democratically elected president—that is, a coup.

Americans are left with a new edition of an old question. Has Washington’s twenty-year winner-take-all approach to post-Soviet Russia shaped this degraded news coverage, or is official policy shaped by the coverage? Did Senator John McCain stand in Kiev alongside the well-known leader of an extreme nationalist party because he was ill informed by the media, or have the media deleted this part of the story because of McCain’s folly?

And what of Barack Obama’s decision to send only a low-level delegation, including retired gay athletes, to Sochi? In August, Putin virtually saved Obama’s presidency by persuading Syrian President Bashar al-Assad to eliminate his chemical weapons. Putin then helped to facilitate Obama’s heralded opening to Iran. Should not Obama himself have gone to Sochi—either out of gratitude to Putin, or to stand with Russia’s leader against international terrorists who have struck both of our countries? Did he not go because he was ensnared by his unwise Russia policies, or because the US media misrepresented the varying reasons cited: the granting of asylum to Edward Snowden, differences on the Middle East, infringements on gay rights in Russia, and now Ukraine? Whatever the explanation, as Russian intellectuals say when faced with two bad alternatives, “Both are worst.”
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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby solace » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:55 pm

FourthBase » Thu Mar 06, 2014 7:54 am wrote:
It's quite amazing to note how frequently and consistently the criminals (almost always falsely) accuse others of what they themselves do.


Are you saying that there are no such criminals on Russia's end who could possibly resort to conniving tactics to advance their agenda, too, like firing upon themselves in a false flag or like hiring an actor/actress to play a role in the media?



That would be pretty unrigorous thinking IMO.
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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby TheBlackSheep » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:59 pm

FourthBase » Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:07 am wrote:
RocketMan » 06 Mar 2014 09:13 wrote:
FourthBase » Wed Mar 05, 2014 5:16 pm wrote:And, correction: It's the amount of ideologue on this board.
I'm morally allergic to all ideologies.
How about you? You hosting any?


Yes, I am a leftist/socialist. I believe in social justice, equality, the right of every person to be what they want to be if that doesn't infringe on any other person and the welfare state.

Thank you for clarifying your own stance. Your own perceived freedom from any ideology grants you the chutzpah to issue your mighty moral challenges to the rest of us hoi polloi who cling to our ideologies and shit.


Right. Not that there's anything necessarily wrong with leftism, or even socialism. The problem is when an ideology predisposes you to misjudge shit because you wind up reflexively taking the Side Least Favorable to The Leading Villain in Your Grand Narrative. It's not "perceived" freedom, by the way. It's real. I've earned it. I sought it in the first place, and except for a brief trap here and there I have never really stopped questing, desperately, to be free from ideology. I think a lot of you feel like it's naive to think freedom from any ideology is even possible, so you stop trying.


This doesn't really make sense. I am not sure I understand everyone criticising ideology unflinchingly...

Take a few definitions of ideology:

From oxford dictionaries:

(plural ideologies) A system of ideas and ideals, especially one which forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy:

The set of beliefs characteristic of a social group or individual:

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/defin ... h/ideology

Wouldn't criticism of ideologies technically be part of a set of ideals or beliefs?

Definition from Merriam Webster:

1
: visionary theorizing
2
a : a systematic body of concepts especially about human life or culture
b : a manner or the content of thinking characteristic of an individual, group, or culture
c : the integrated assertions, theories and aims that constitute a sociopolitical program

Isn't systematic denouncement of perceived ideology constitute a basis for an ideological belief that ideologies are necessarily bad and/or can be done away with?

Also the definitions for visionary:

: having or showing clear ideas about what should happen or be done in the future

: having or showing a powerful imagination

: of or relating to something that is seen or imagined in a dream or vision (sense 3)


Having a clear idea, ie the idea that ideologies are necessarily bad and should be done away with.

and the definition of theorizing:

: to think of or suggest ideas about what is possibly true or real : to form or suggest a theory about something

That is, to think that it is true that ideologies are a bad thing.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ideology

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/visionary

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictiona ... 1394124090

And from wikipedia:

An ideology is a set of conscious and unconscious ideas that constitute one's goals, expectations, and actions.

Goal: to do away with/ criticize ideology

Expectations: That ideologies should disappear

Actions: Denounce ideology

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideology

I'm just not sure I really understand what all the criticism of ideology is about... I'm pretty sure that once we as human have ideas they inherently become part of a system of ideology that is another way for defining the content of our thoughts, belief, understanding that guides our perceptions and actions.
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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby RocketMan » Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:52 pm

TheBlackSheep » Thu Mar 06, 2014 7:59 pm wrote:
FourthBase » Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:07 am wrote:
RocketMan » 06 Mar 2014 09:13 wrote:
FourthBase » Wed Mar 05, 2014 5:16 pm wrote:And, correction: It's the amount of ideologue on this board.
I'm morally allergic to all ideologies.
How about you? You hosting any?


Yes, I am a leftist/socialist. I believe in social justice, equality, the right of every person to be what they want to be if that doesn't infringe on any other person and the welfare state.

Thank you for clarifying your own stance. Your own perceived freedom from any ideology grants you the chutzpah to issue your mighty moral challenges to the rest of us hoi polloi who cling to our ideologies and shit.


Right. Not that there's anything necessarily wrong with leftism, or even socialism. The problem is when an ideology predisposes you to misjudge shit because you wind up reflexively taking the Side Least Favorable to The Leading Villain in Your Grand Narrative. It's not "perceived" freedom, by the way. It's real. I've earned it. I sought it in the first place, and except for a brief trap here and there I have never really stopped questing, desperately, to be free from ideology. I think a lot of you feel like it's naive to think freedom from any ideology is even possible, so you stop trying.


This doesn't really make sense. I am not sure I understand everyone criticising ideology unflinchingly...

Take a few definitions of ideology:

From oxford dictionaries:

(plural ideologies) A system of ideas and ideals, especially one which forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy:

The set of beliefs characteristic of a social group or individual:

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/defin ... h/ideology

Wouldn't criticism of ideologies technically be part of a set of ideals or beliefs?

Definition from Merriam Webster:

1
: visionary theorizing
2
a : a systematic body of concepts especially about human life or culture
b : a manner or the content of thinking characteristic of an individual, group, or culture
c : the integrated assertions, theories and aims that constitute a sociopolitical program

Isn't systematic denouncement of perceived ideology constitute a basis for an ideological belief that ideologies are necessarily bad and/or can be done away with?

Also the definitions for visionary:

: having or showing clear ideas about what should happen or be done in the future

: having or showing a powerful imagination

: of or relating to something that is seen or imagined in a dream or vision (sense 3)


Having a clear idea, ie the idea that ideologies are necessarily bad and should be done away with.

and the definition of theorizing:

: to think of or suggest ideas about what is possibly true or real : to form or suggest a theory about something

That is, to think that it is true that ideologies are a bad thing.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ideology

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/visionary

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictiona ... 1394124090

And from wikipedia:

An ideology is a set of conscious and unconscious ideas that constitute one's goals, expectations, and actions.

Goal: to do away with/ criticize ideology

Expectations: That ideologies should disappear

Actions: Denounce ideology

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideology

I'm just not sure I really understand what all the criticism of ideology is about... I'm pretty sure that once we as human have ideas they inherently become part of a system of ideology that is another way for defining the content of our thoughts, belief, understanding that guides our perceptions and actions.


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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby operator kos » Thu Mar 06, 2014 3:53 pm

The latest Rune Soup blog offers a pretty good analysis of the whole Ukraine situation, IMO. The blog post quotes liberally from John Pilger and F. William Engdahl spiced up with the usual array of Archonology and Matrix references. The best bits are too long to quote here; just go read it.
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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Mar 06, 2014 4:09 pm

operator kos » Thu Mar 06, 2014 2:53 pm wrote:The latest Rune Soup blog offers a pretty good analysis of the whole Ukraine situation, IMO. The blog post quotes liberally from John Pilger and F. William Engdahl spiced up with the usual array of Archonology and Matrix references. The best bits are too long to quote here; just go read it.


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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby MacCruiskeen » Thu Mar 06, 2014 4:22 pm

operator kos » Thu Mar 06, 2014 2:53 pm wrote:The latest Rune Soup blog offers a pretty good analysis of the whole Ukraine situation, IMO. The blog post quotes liberally from John Pilger and F. William Engdahl spiced up with the usual array of Archonology and Matrix references. The best bits are too long to quote here; just go read it.


Yes. And I liked this exchange from the comments under that post:

Cory Panshin
March 6, 2014 at 5:01 pm

[...]

Nation-states aren’t what they used to be, and a range of interests from multinational corporations to dealers in illicit arms and drugs like it that way. These businesses thrive in failed nation-states, much as weeds flourish best in disturbed soil. Corruption, deep states, and government-by-mafia are the public faces of those interests attempting to pass themselves off as legitimate governments. Complete collapse, as in Somalia, comes when they’re no longer even pretending. But whenever the goal is to destroy without rebuilding (and to rip off the shiny bits along the way), you can see the same process at work.

The Ukrainian neo-Nazis may think they’ve been handed the keys to the liquor cabinet — but their real assignment is to pry it open so that more experienced looters can get to work.

...



Gordon [blog author]
March 6, 2014 at 5:23 pm

Killer insight, Cory. Especially in that last sentence.

As for who benefits the most from chaos, my opinion is much the same as yours: it isn’t states but their corporate owners who do.

Instead of invading somewhere, collapse it and run the oil pipelines out to the coast anyway. Throw in some private armies (the cost of which is borne by the energy consumer) and you’re done. This means the west still ‘wins’ in collapsed areas because the companies that run them are the best in the world at extracting resources from ruined states.

http://runesoup.com/2014/03/reality-isn ... /#comments


(Apropos: Naomi Klein, The Shock Doctrine.)

It was Wombaticus Rex's recent recommendation that first got me looking at Rune Soup. There's some very interesting stuff there.

Rune Soup's seven-part 'Archonology' series.
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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Mar 06, 2014 4:25 pm

The Pain in Ukraine
Two nuclear heavyweights jostle for position on the banks of the Black Sea
by Jason Hirthler / March 4th, 2014

So Russia has moved to secure Crimea, where its prized Black Sea fleet resides. No surprise there, although Secretary of State John Kerry, the lantern-jawed buffoon that President Obama trots out to justify the indefensible, comically affected indignant outrage and declared Russian behavior to be, “an incredible act of aggression.” Yet neither the swift Russian reply, nor any of the other events in this latest deposing of a democratically-elected leader come as much of a surprise. At least not if history is a useful guide.

Obviously Not a Team Player

What were the causes behind the latest ‘democratic revolution’ in Ukraine? Best to view the scenario through the unvarnished lens of “straight power concepts,” as post-war U.S. planner George Kennan once put it. Essentially, now-deposed Ukrainian leader Viktor Yanukovych seemed to have hoped to perform a Houdini-like balancing act between East and West, solidifying Ukrainian sovereignty, enacting enough ‘business friendly’ reforms to assure IMF loans and enough populist measures to keep him in office, all while holding imperial wolves at bay. As usual, apart from the self-enrichment, this strategy was a spectacular failure.

(Yanukovych has proven to be an easy target for pro-Western opponents. While he casts a fair profile of Westernized professionalism, he has been dogged by criminal charges throughout his career. Despite felonies from his youth and questions about his academic degrees, he won the 2004 Ukrainian presidential election, but stepped down in the wake of the Orange Revolution and calls of electoral fraud. Opponents have scrupulously documented his expanding asset portfolio and labyrinthine financial connections since his 2010 election. In the wake of his exodus, everyday Ukrainians are now touring his former mansion, “Mezhyhirya”, a stunning estate of otherworldly opulence, particularly given Yanukovych’s modest $100,000 salary.)

Faced with making a distinct choice between the European Union and Russia, Yanukovych seemed poised to deliver his nation further into the clutches of IMF debt peonage and enable regular looting by Western multinationals through an “EU association and trade agreement” (facilitated by trunkloads of IMF cash). At the last minute, Yanukovych declined this devil’s pact and opted for a Russian $15 billion dollar loan. This fatal misstep appears to have triggered American efforts to unseat Yanukovych and replace him with a Western-friendly face. Having likely witnessed the state of the European Union in the last few years, Yanukovych made a not so surprising about-face.

Of course, Yanukovych was already on thin ice with the West. He had been behaving in troubling fashion since his election, enacting various social programs that threatened to undermine the spending controls the IMF had stipulated, as well as refusing to lift utility prices to IMF-recommended levels—knowing that either could jeopardize his or his party’s popularity. In any event, it’s likely the West found him an unreliable partner in—and eventually an obstacle to—their hoped-for ‘liberalization’ of the Ukrainian economy.

Why Does This Former Soviet Republic Matter So Much?

But given all of this wrangling over economic policy, why does the U.S. care so much about the Ukraine? For a couple of reasons. First, the Ukraine is perched on the edge of the resource-rich Black Sea, a geostrategic prize for any fossil-fuel hungry empire. Russia’s cyclopean Gazprom has traditionally led mining efforts, but Western multinationals like Exxon are shouldering their way in, particularly after finding a massive natural gas field on the Black Sea floor last year. Exxon subsequently inked a $735 million deal with the Ukraine to drill deep-water wells off its coast. The long-term interest of the European Union would be to diminish Russia’s ability to wield political influence by virtue of the volume of its gas exports to the EU.

Second, the Ukraine also sits on the Russian border. What better place for NATO to set up camp and aim some ballistic deterrents at the Kremlin? From there NATO could reasonably hoist large megaphones aimed at Moscow with the booming voice of President Obama confirming that “all options are on the table.” One shudders to think. It isn’t enough that NATO now includes Romania, Hungary, Slovakia, and Poland. This after George H.W. Bush cut a deal with Russia’s world-historical dupe Mikhail Gorbachev that, in exchange for unlocking East Germany, NATO wouldn’t move “one inch eastward.” It has expanded eastward three times since, including the aforementioned nations. So much for trusting the West.

It Worked in 1953!

All of this is par for the course. During the Cold War, the CIA normally performed the rabble-rousing subversion in countries that had been infected by the “nationalism” disease. Henry Kissinger once referred to such countries as a “virus” that threatened to spread “contagion” through the region. Kermit Roosevelt (one images a frog smoking a Camel from an ivory cigarette holder) helped execute the subversive activities that led to the overthrow of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh in 1953. Mosaddegh had himself made the foolish misstep of attempting to nationalize Iranian oil, much to the consternation of petro concerns in Britain and the United States. He was duly deposed and replaced with a military government led by a repressive monarch, Mohammad Reza Shah of the Pahlavi dynasty.

Yes, But Let’s Use an NGO This Time

Some things have changed slightly, however. Now the U.S. prefers to destabilize democratically-elected governments using faux non-governmental organizations (NGOs). This has the twofold advantage of evading laws against directly funding opposition parties in foreign countries, but more importantly creates the appearance of supporting the promotion of democratic institutions in benighted nations that for whatever reason—backward religions, endemic corruption, latent influence of communism, etc.—have yet to glimpse the splendor of Western-style free-market neoliberalism.

The National Endowment for Democracy (NED) is the poster child for the modern say-one-thing-do-another NGO. It has funded 65 projects in the Ukraine, all of them naturally designed to help these boorish Eastern Europeans grasp the core concepts of our capitalist demos. Consider this from Consortium News:

The National Endowment for Democracy, a central part of Ronald Reagan’s propaganda war against the Soviet Union three decades ago, has evolved into a $100 million U.S. government-financed slush fund that generally supports a neocon agenda often at cross-purposes with the Obama administration’s foreign policy.

Some of the non-government organizations (or NGOs) supporting these [Ukrainian] rebellions trace back to NED and its U.S. government money.

For NED and American neocons, Yanukovych’s electoral legitimacy lasted only as long as he accepted European demands for new “trade agreements” and stern economic “reforms” required by the International Monetary Fund.

NED’s longtime president, Carl Gershman, took to the op-ed page of the neocon-flagship Washington Post to urge the U.S. government to push European “free trade” agreements on Ukraine and other former Soviet states and thus counter Moscow’s efforts to maintain close relations with those countries. The ultimate goal, according to Gershman, was isolating and possibly toppling Putin in Russia with Ukraine the key piece on this global chessboard.

So much for NGOs being politically neutral.


Be Sure to Hire Some Street Thugs Like Kermit Did

Other things have stayed the same, such as funding violent opposition elements in an attempt to stir up street-level dissent that can then be broadcast worldwide. This causes conscientious European pensioners to put down their café and read in consternation reports emanating from the scene of the (clandestine) crime. And like American flag-wavers who fall into a frothing fury at the notion of revanchist Russian state, both conclude that democracy—its delicate flame dwindling by the day—is nobly struggling for its life against the arrayed forces of a fearsome fascism.

It is, in fact, the West that is employing the fascists and neo-Nazis to further its own ends. Like it used SUMKA in the Iranian coup, in the Ukraine it has backed a motley confection of deranged fascists, Goebbels-reciting neo-Nazis, and various other unsavory types who all appear to have two characteristics in common: they celebrate violence and detest democracy. The Svoboda (“Freedom”) Party in particular has a treacherous history of collusion with the Nazis during WWII. Several have slipped into the nascent governing group, despite a desire by Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland to marginalize them once they served their thug purpose. Nor should we forget that the specter of Nazism continues to haunt the Russian nation. It lost a generation of men—some 20 to 25 million—in its heroic battle against the Germans. The last thing it wants to see as it peers across its Western borders is a fascist uprising.

If Ukrainians thought life was onerous under a democratically-elected Yanukovych (did they?), wait until they get a taste of IMF medicine, soon to be paternally administered by the new West-leaning government. You’ll have noticed the first words out of the mouth of freshly minted Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk were that the Ukrainian people would quite naturally have to suffer deprivations on the hard path to free-market democracy. A cursory glance at Greece and Italy might be sufficient to give the average Kiev resident nightmares. Just consider what the IMF asked of Ukraine last October, according to Global Research:

In negotiations last October, the IMF demanded that Ukraine double prices for gas and electricity to industry and homes, that they lift a ban on private sale of Ukraine’s rich agriculture lands, make a major overhaul of their economic holdings, devalue the currency, slash state funds for school children and the elderly to “balance the budget.” In return Ukraine would get a paltry $4 billion.

On the other hand, the Kremlin was dangling a rather more attractive offer:

Before the ouster of the Moscow-leaning Yanukovych government last week, Moscow was prepared to buy some $15 billion of Ukraine debt and to slash its gas prices by fully one-third. Now, understandably, Russia is unlikely to give that support. The economic cooperation between Ukraine and Moscow was something Washington was determined to sabotage at all costs.

The City of Woe

It all adds up, doesn’t it? Throw in Honduras, Egypt, Libya, and ongoing intrigues in Syria and Venezuela, and the Obama administration has fashioned for itself an impressive track record for regime change, normally associated with Republican neoconservatives. Now we can watch events unfold as the U.S. and Russia perform alarming chest-thumping military maneuvers reminiscent of Cold War posturing. Perhaps it will lead to a donnybrook of heavyweights, or more likely, just the brutal division of another sovereign state into two not-so-sovereign dependencies. A giant new World Bank loan will be approved with much fanfare and sighs of relief among Western liberals. Austerity will be imposed. Kiev technocrats will claim they are shouldering the burden of making ‘difficult’ decisions for the benefit of all. The population will suffer untold deprivations, and another fledgling state will be buried in the charry aftermath of its own self-determination.

Rather strikingly, each Ukrainian that wishes to tour the palace of the exiled Yanukovych and its mind-boggling layout of baroque architecture, medieval armor, and Sumatran pheasants, must pass beneath a sign above the entrance that proclaims, “People, do not destroy this evidence of thieving arrogance.” Interestingly, it was Yanukovych himself who must have seen—at the very last moment—the forbidding crest above the European Union that reads, as do the gates to hell in Dante’s Inferno, “Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter.” Sadly, the Ukrainian people are now destined for that hopeless bourn, and are being marshaled onto mythic Charon’s leaky raft to ferry them to fates unknown.
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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Mar 06, 2014 4:38 pm

MARCH 06, 2014

Propaganda Rules the News
Ukraine Through the Fog of the Presstitutes
by PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS
Gerald Celente calls the Western media “presstitutes,” an ingenuous term that I often use. Presstitutes sell themselves to Washington for access and government sources and to keep their jobs. Ever since the corrupt Clinton regime permitted the concentration of the US media, there has been no journalistic independence in the United States except for some Internet sites.

Glenn Greenwald points out the independence that RT, a Russian media organization, permits Abby Martin who denounced Russia’s alleged invasion of Ukraine, compared to the fates of Phil Donahue (MSNBC) and Peter Arnett (NBC), both of whom were fired for expressing opposition to the Bush regime’s illegal attack on Iraq. The fact that Donahue had NBC’s highest rated program did not give him journalistic independence. Anyone who speaks the truth in the American print or TV media or on NPR is immediately fired.

Russia’s RT seems actually to believe and observe the values that Americans profess but do not honor.

I agree with Greenwald. You can read his article here. Greenwald is entirely admirable. He has intelligence, integrity, and courage. He is one of the brave to whom my just published book, How America Was Lost, is dedicated. As for RT’s Abby Martin, I admire her and have been a guest on her program a number of times.

My criticism of Greenwald and Martin has nothing to do with their integrity or their character. I doubt the claims that Abby Martin grandstanded on “Russia’s invasion of Ukraine” in order to boost her chances of moving into the more lucrative “mainstream media.” My point is quite different. Even Abby Martin and Greenwald, both of whom bring us much light, cannot fully escape Western propaganda.

For example, Martin’s denunciation of Russia for “invading” Ukraine is based on Western propaganda that Russia sent 16,000 troops to occupy Crimea. The fact of the matter is that those 16,000 Russian troops have been in Crimea since the 1990s. Under the Russian-Ukrainian agreement, Russia has the right to base 25,000 troops in Crimea.

Apparently, neither Abby Martin nor Glenn Greenwald, two intelligent and aware people, knew this fact. Washington’s propaganda is so pervasive that two of our best reporters were victimized by it.

As I have written several times in my columns, Washington organized the coup in Ukraine in order to promote its world hegemony by capturing Ukraine for NATO and putting US missile bases on Russia’s border in order to degrade Russia’s nuclear deterrent and force Russia to accept Washington’s hegemony.

Russia has done nothing but respond in a very low-key way to a major strategic threat orchestrated by Washington.

It is not only Martin and Greenwald who have fallen under Washington’s propaganda.

They are joined by Patrick J. Buchanan. Pat’s column calling on readers to “resist the war party on Crimea” opens with Washington’s propagandistic claim: “With Vladimir Putin’s dispatch of Russian Troops into Crimea.”

No such dispatch has occurred. Putin has been granted authority by the Russian Duma to send troops to Ukraine, but Putin has stated publicly that sending troops would be a last resort to protect Crimean Russians from invasions by the ultra-nationalist neo-nazis who stole Washington’s coup and established themselves as the power in Kiev and western Ukraine.

So, here we have three of the smartest and most independent journalists of our time, and all three are under the impression created by Western propaganda that Russia has invaded Ukraine.

It appears that the power of Washington’s propaganda is so great that not even the best and most independent journalists can escape its influence.

What chance does truth have when Abby Martin gets kudos from Glenn Greenwald for denouncing Russia for an alleged “invasion” that has not taken place, and when independent Pat Buchanan opens his column dissenting from the blame-Russia-crowd by accepting that an invasion has taken place?

The entire story that the presstitutes have told about the Ukraine is a propaganda production. The presstitutes told us that the deposed president, Viktor Yanukovych, ordered snipers to shoot protesters. On the basis of these false reports, Washington’s stooges, who comprise the existing non-government in Kiev, have issued arrest orders for Yanukovych and intend for him to be tried in an international court. In an intercepted telephone call between EU foreign affairs minister Catherine Ashton and Etonian foreign affairs minister Urmas Paet who had just returned from Kiev, Paet reports: “There is now stronger and stronger understanding that behind the snipers, it was not Yanukovych, but it was somebody from the new coalition.” Paet goes on to report that “all the evidence shows that the people who were killed by snipers from both sides, among policemen and then people from the streets, that they were the same snipers killing people from both sides . . . and it’s really disturbing that now the new coalition, that they don’t want to investigate what exactly happened.” Ashton, absorbed with EU plans to guide reforms in Ukraine and to prepare the way for the IMF to gain control over economic policy, was not particularly pleased to hear Paet’s report that the killings were an orchestrated provocation. You can listen to the conversation between Paet and Ashton here: http://rt.com/news/ashton-maidan-snipers-estonia-946/

What has happened in Ukraine is that Washington plotted against and overthrew an elected legitimate government and then lost control to neo-nazis who are threatening the large Russian population in southern and eastern Ukraine, provinces that formerly were part of Russia. These threatened Russians have appealed for Russia’s help, and just like the Russians in South Ossetia, they will receive Russia’s help.

The Obama regime and its presstitutes will continue to lie about everything.
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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Mar 06, 2014 4:43 pm

Putin or Kerry: Who’s Delusional?
March 5, 2014

Exclusive: Official Washington and its compliant mainstream news media operate with a convenient situational ethics when it comes to the principles of international law and non-intervention in sovereign states. The rules apply only when they’re convenient, explains Robert Parry.

By Robert Parry

When Secretary of State John Kerry denounces Russia’s intervention in Crimea by declaring “It is not appropriate to invade a country and at the end of a barrel of gun dictate what you are trying to achieve. That is not Twenty-first Century, G-8, major-nation behavior,” you might expect that the next line in a serious newspaper would note Kerry’s breathtaking hypocrisy.

But not if you were reading the New York Times on Wednesday, or for that matter the Washington Post or virtually any mainstream U.S. newspaper or watching a broadcast outlet.

Yet, look what happens when Russia’s President Vladimir Putin does what the U.S. news media should do, i.e. point out that “It’s necessary to recall the actions of the United States in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in Libya, where they acted either without any sanction from the U.N. Security Council or distorted the content of these resolutions, as it happened in Libya. There, as you know, only the right to create a no-fly zone for government aircraft was authorized, and it all ended in the bombing and participation of special forces in group operations.”

Secretary of State John Kerry speaking to the AIPAC conference on March 3, 2014.
Secretary of State John Kerry speaking to the AIPAC conference on March 3, 2014.
Despite the undeniable accuracy of Putin’s observation, he was promptly deemed to have “lost touch with reality,” according to a Washington Post’s editorial, which called his press conference “rambling” and a “bizarre performance” in which his words have “become indistinguishable from the propaganda of his state television network.”

You get the point. If someone notes the disturbing U.S. history of military interventions or describes the troubling narrative behind the “democratic” coup in Ukraine – spearheaded by neo-Nazi militias who overthrew a duly elected president – you are dismissed as crazy.

Revised Narrative

Yet, it has been the Post, Times and other U.S. news outlets which have led the way in developing a propaganda narrative at odds with the known reality. For instance, the violent February clashes in Kiev are now typically described as the Ukrainian police having killed some 80 protesters, though the original reporting had that death toll including 13 policemen and the fact that neo-Nazi militias were responsible for much of the violence, from hurling firebombs to shooting firearms.

That history is already fast disappearing as we saw in a typical New York Times report on Wednesday, which reported: “More than 80 protesters were shot to death by the police as an uprising spiraled out of control in mid-February.”

Those revised “facts” better fit the preferred narrative of innocent and peaceful demonstrators being set upon by thuggish police without provocation. But that isn’t what the original reporting revealed. Either the New York Times should explain how the earlier reporting was wrong or it should respect the more nuanced reality.

To do so, however, would undercut the desired narrative. So, it’s better to simply accuse anyone with a functioning memory of being “delusional.” The same with anyone who mentions the stunning hypocrisy of the U.S. government suddenly finding international law inviolable.

The history of the United States crossing borders to overthrow governments or to seize resources is a long and sordid one. Even after World War II and the establishment of the Nuremberg principles against “aggressive war,” the U.S. government has routinely violated those rules, sometimes unilaterally and sometimes by distorting the clear meaning of U.N. resolutions, as Putin noted.

No Accountability

Those violations of international law have done nothing to diminish the official reputations of presidents who broke the rules. Despite the slaughters of millions of people from these U.S. military adventures, no U.S. president has ever been punished either by U.S. judicial authorities or by international tribunals.

In 1983, President Ronald Reagan, one of the most honored political figures in modern American history, ordered the invasion of the tiny Caribbean island of Grenada to overthrow its leftist government amid a political crisis that U.S. hostility had helped stir up. Reagan’s pretext was to protect American students at the St. George’s Medical School, though the students were not in any physical danger.

The U.S. invasion killed some 70 people on the island, including 25 Cuban construction workers. Nineteen U.S. soldiers also died. Though Reagan’s clear violation of international law was noted around the globe, he was hailed as a hero by the U.S. media at home and faced no accountability from the United Nations or anyone else.

When I went to Grenada to report on the invasion for the Associated Press, an article that I co-wrote about abuses committed by American troops, including the ransacking of the personal libraries of prominent Grenadians (in search of books such as Karl Marx’s Das Kapital), was spiked by my AP editors, presumably because it clashed with the feel-good U.S. public reaction to the invasion.

Last week, as I was reviewing documents at the Reagan Presidential Library at Simi Valley, California, I found a number of papers about how the Reagan administration used propaganda techniques to manipulate the American people regarding Grenada.

The files belonged to Walter Raymond Jr., a top CIA expert in propaganda and psychological operations who had been reassigned to Reagan’s National Security Council staff to oversee the creation of a global psy-op structure including one aimed at the U.S. public.

On Nov. 1, 1983, just a week after the invasion, White House public-relations specialist David Gergen advised Reagan’s image-molder Michael Deaver on steps to orchestrate the “follow-up on Grenada” to impress the American people, including making sure that the phased U.S. withdrawals were “well publicized, the bigger the groups the better. When units of the fleet leave, that also ought to be done with fanfare.”

The P.R. choreography called, too, for using the “rescued” students as props. Gergen wrote: “Students Meet with Liberating Forces: Everyone sees this as a key event, and it needs to be done before RR [Reagan] leaves for the Far East. … Students Visit the Wounded: Many of the wounded would probably welcome a thank you visit from a student delegation.”

In a handwritten comment on the last suggestion, Raymond praised the idea: “Happy Grenada theme.”

More Recent Violations

Secretary Kerry might argue that Grenada was so Twentieth Century, along with such events as the Vietnam War, the invasion of Panama in 1989 and the Persian Gulf conflict of 1990-91, which involved the slaughter of Iraqi soldiers and civilians even after the Iraqi government agreed to withdraw from Kuwait in a deal negotiated by then-Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev. [For details, see Robert Parry’s Secrecy & Privilege.]

However, if one were to take up Secretary Kerry’s challenge and just look at the Twenty-first Century and “G-8, major-nation behavior,” which would include the United States and its major European allies, you’d still have a substantial list of U.S. violations: Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Yemen, Libya and others. France and Great Britain, two other G-8 countries, have engaged in military interventions as well, including France in Mali and other African conflicts.

On Aug. 30, 2013, Secretary Kerry himself gave a belligerent speech justifying U.S. military action against Syria over murky accounts of a chemical weapons attack outside Damascus, a war that was only averted by Putin’s diplomatic efforts in convincing President Bashar al-Assad to agree to eliminate Syria’s chemical weapons.

Plus, throughout his presidency, Barack Obama has declared, over and over, that “all options are on the table” regarding Iran’s nuclear program, a clear threat of another U.S. bombing campaign, another crisis that Putin has helped tamp down by assisting in getting Iran to the bargaining table.

Indeed, it appears that one reason why Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland, a neocon holdover, has been so aggressive in trying to exacerbate the Ukraine crisis was as a form of neocon payback for Putin’s defusing the confrontations with Syria and Iran, when Official Washington’s still-influential neocons were eager for more violence and “regime change.” [See Consortiumnews.com’s “What Neocons Want from Ukraine Crisis.”]

In virtually all these threatened or actual U.S. military assaults on sovereign nations, the major U.S. news media has been enthusiastically onboard. Indeed, the Washington Post and the New York Times played key roles in manufacturing public consent for George W. Bush’s invasion of Iraq in 2003 under the false pretext of eliminating its non-existent weapons of mass destruction.

By promoting dubious and false allegations, the Post and Times also have helped lay the groundwork for potential U.S. wars against Iran and Syria, including the Times making the bogus claim that the Aug. 21 chemical weapons attack east of Damascus was launched by Syrian government forces northwest of the city. Months later, the Times grudgingly admitted that its reporting, which helped bring the U.S. to the brink of another war, was contradicted by the fact that the Sarin-laden missile had a much more limited range. [See Consortiumnews.com’s “The Mistaken Guns of Last August.”]

However, when Russia has a much more understandable case for intervention – an incipient civil war on its border that involves clear U.S. interference, the overthrow of an elected president and the participation of neo-Nazi militias – the U.S. government and its compliant mainstream media lock arms in outrage.
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