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2014 Malaysian Planes Lost: Pacific and Ukraine

Postby RocketMan » Sat Mar 08, 2014 4:19 am

This seems like a rather non-typical airline disaster...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/m ... tact-plane

A search and rescue operation is under way after Malaysia Airlines said a plane carrying 227 passengers and 12 crew on board went missing en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

The company said that it lost contact with the aircraft two hours after takeoff and it was now working with authorities who had deployed search and rescue teams to locate the aircraft. The plane left Kuala Lumpur at 12.41am local time on Saturday (6.41pm GMT on Friday).

A statement from the airline said it was contacting the next-of-kin of passengers and crew.

"Our thoughts and prayers are with all affected passengers and crew and their family members," it said.

Radar contact with the aircraft, flight MH370, was lost in airspace controlled by Vietnam in the early hours of Saturday morning, China's Xinhua news agency said. The aircraft did not enter airspace controlled by China and did not make contact with Chinese controllers, Xinhua added.

Xinhua said 160 of the passengers on board were Chinese nationals, citing Chinese aviation officials. A Malaysian Airlines spokesman said Australians were believed to be among the other nationalities on board, News Corp reported.

China's foreign minister, Wang Yi, told a scheduled press conference China was doing all it could to confirm details of the incident and said he was "very worried", state media reported.

The flight had been expected to land at Beijing at 6.30am local time. The passengers on board included two infants, according to the airline, which also released a telephone number which members of the public could call to seek information.


From The Guardian live feed:

Aviation experts have expressed surprise at the apparent sudden failure of such a reliable aircraft. Mohan Ranganathan, an aviation safety consultant who serves on India’s Civil Aviation Safety Advisory Committee, says it is “very, very rare” for an aircraft to lose contact completely without any previous indication of problems.

The online flight data suggested the plane had experienced a very rapid loss of height and change in the direction it was heading, he said.


Al-Jazeera are quoting a former United Airlines pilot, Ross Aimer, on the fact that the aircraft was lost without any communiction from the crew.

“The fact that there was absolutely no distress signal is very disturbing,” he said. “This is almost unprecedented that we lose an aircraft in such a way … In that area of the world, over Vietnam, there is sporadic radar coverage to begin with,” he said. “It is disturbing that there was absolutely no communication from the aircraft.”



The aviation website Leeham news has posted a list of the standard possible causes that will be investigated in an incident of this nature. They stress that these are not specific to this case, but include:

• Catastrophic structural failure

• Dual engine flame-out

• Clear air turbulence

• Human intervention, such as penetration of the cockpit or a bomb

• Accidental shooting-down

• Suicide of the pilot
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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane down over Vietnam

Postby LolaB » Sat Mar 08, 2014 12:50 pm

The German magazine Stern reports that two of the passengers listed on this flight were travelling on stolen passports. (Austrian and Italian)
I wonder if this tidbit will make it into the mainstream media...
http://www.stern.de/panorama/verschollenes-flugzeug-an-bord-sassen-passagiere-mit-gestohlenen-paessen-2095201.html
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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane down over Vietnam

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:10 pm

^^^
On board were passengers with stolen passports
8 March 2014, 11:37 Clock
The Lost on the way to Beijing airplane is still not found. However, traces of oil in the sea indicate a crash. One thing is certain: On board were two men with stolen passports.


u missed the front passenger aircraft Vietnam two unknowns apparently have given with stolen passports access. On the passenger lists you found the name of an Austrian and an Italian , but were not on board Malaysia Airlines aircraft , according to the foreign ministries in Vienna and Rome.

"Our message received the information that there was an Austrian on board. Such was the passenger list of Malaysia Airlines ," said a spokesman for the Foreign Ministry in Vienna. The man was , however, been at home . The passport had been stolen from him on a trip to Thailand two years ago. The Foreign Ministry in Rome said that no Italians have been in the plane, although an Italian citizen is being waged on the passenger list . This was according to a report in the newspaper " Corriere Della Sera " to a 37 -year-olds , whose passport had been stolen in August in Thailand. The Italian Interior Ministry did not comment on the report first .

You got up extra early. Because even at 6.30 clock should land at the airport in Beijing, their friends and relatives with the flight MH370 from Kuala Lumpur. But the Boeing B777 -200 never arrived in China's capital . Hours later, the relatives are desperately waiting for news in a hotel. " My son was only 40 - I would like to die for him," says an older woman. From the room in which the waiting relatives , echoes desperate cry.

China threatens a national tragedy . Of the 239 people in the flight of the Malaysian airline more than 150 Chinese nationals have been. German were not on the passenger list. China's state and party chief Xi Jinping today announces a significant relief effort after the incident . All relevant government departments and emergency personnel would be alarmed , as the official news agency Xinhua informs .

The hope is fading
The Boeing 777 has been lost over the South China Sea . The cause is unclear. The pilots had previously reported no problems , the weather was good . The aircraft wreckage was still not been found, but rescue workers have discovered an oil spill off the coast of Vietnam . This suggests indicating a crash the machine. Even if the search was expanded : to find survivors in the sea, is less likely by the hour . At the airports of Kuala Lumpur and Beijing horrified relatives were looked after by psychologists.

Speculation about possible crash
The Boeing 777-200 was lost on the way from the capital of Malaysia to China. About two-thirds of the passengers are Chinese. Vietnamese authorities spoke of a crash. The airline and the Malaysian Ministry of Transport confirmed initially only that they had no contact with the machine, even twelve hours following the disappearance of the flight by radar . There was , according to the airline no emergency , no bad weather and the pilot was an experienced man .

"In the region where the machine disappeared , was at the time no unusual weather conditions reported ," said Vietnam's Vice Minister of Transport . There had been no indication that the aircraft was in distress, said Malaysia Airlines boss Ahmad Jauhari Yahya in Kuala Lumpur. The pilot was an experienced colleague with more than 30 years of service.

" Terrorist attack " possible
"If both pilots are busy trying to save the plane from crashing , they may not have more time to report to ground control ," said the spokesman for the ATC, Axel Raab, the DPA . He did not want to speculate about causes, but said: "It could be theoretically indeed been a terrorist attack . "

Whether there is a connection between the two men with stolen passports on board and the cause of the disaster , is currently unclear.


Was one of the passengers aboard the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 travelling with a stolen passport?
Malaysian authorities have refused to confirm nor deny this report, which has spread like wildfire on the Internet.
On godlikeproductions.com, it was posted that 37-year-old Luigi Maraldi who was supposedly aboard MH370, is actually in Thailand.
Maraldi contacted his relatives in Italy to inform them that he was safe and sound and currently in Thailand.
Apparently, Maraldi had informed Italian authorities in August last year that he had lost his passport.
Maraldi is one of the names which appeared on the passenger manifest for flight MH370, which has been missing since 1.30am.
Deputy Transport Minister Datuk Abdul Aziz Kaprawi was asked about the possibility of terrorism as the cause for MH370's disappearance.
A foreign reporter asked Aziz whether MH370 had been lost due to foul play.
"We cannot reveal too many details about our security," Aziz said.
"We have reviewed the closed-circuit television video footage pertaining to passengers and their baggages."
"So far, we are satisfied with everything," he said.
However, Aziz said, authorities were not ruling out any possibilities at this juncture.
He said search and rescue operations were still ongoing and would continue around the clock.
The Royal Malaysia Air Force is conducting night searching as their aircraft are equipped with night vision facilities.
The search area has been widened to include both the east and west coast of Malaysia.
"Both the Malaysian and Vietnamese SAR forces are conducting searches in their respective coastal waters."
Aziz said authorities were quite sure that MH370 had disappeared at sea.
Regarding the 20km oil slick spotted between Malaysia and Vietnam, Aziz said they had asked Vietnamese authorities about it.
"But the Vietnamese authorities have yet to get back to us," he said.
Unless there are further developments regarding MH370, the next press briefing will be tomorrow at 9am.
Malaysia Airlines said that the plane had 227 passengers aboard, including two infants, and an all-Malaysian crew of 12.
The passengers included 154 citizens from China or Taiwan, 38 Malaysians, seven Indonesians, six Australians, five Indians, four French and three Americans, as well as two citizens each from New Zealand, Ukraine and Canada and one each from Russia, Italy, the Netherlands and Austria.
The airline said that it was notifying the next-of-kin of the passengers and crew.
Hundreds of family members gathered in rooms set aside for them at a Beijing hotel, and at least two medical personnel went in to monitor them, reported The New York Times.
Boeing said in a statement that it was assembling a team of technical experts to advise the national authorities investigating the disappearance of the aircraft.
Malaysia Airlines said that the plane took off at 12.41am Malaysia time, and that the plane disappeared from air traffic control radar in Subang, a suburb of Kuala Lumpur, at 2.40am.
That timeline seemed to suggest that the plane stayed in the air for two hours – long enough to fly not only across the Gulf of Thailand but also far north across Vietnam. But Lindahl of Flightradar 24 said that the last radar contact had been at 1.19am, less than 40 minutes after the flight began.
A Malaysia Airlines spokesman said on Saturday evening that the last conversation between the flight crew and air traffic control in Malaysia had been around 1.30am, but he reiterated that the plane had not disappeared from air traffic control systems in Subang until 2.40am. -TMI


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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane down over Vietnam

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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane down over Vietnam

Postby 12#4 » Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:10 pm

Thoughts go out to families left behind by the tragedy:

The pilot was Capt Zaharie Ahmad Shah, 53, who joined Malaysia Airlines in 1981, Mr Yahya said.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane down over Vietnam

Postby cptmarginal » Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:32 am

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/08/world/asi ... t-officer/

First officer on missing jet was transitioning to 777-200s
By Tom Watkins, CNN
updated 10:56 AM EST, Sat March 8, 2014

The first officer aboard Malaysia Airlines MH370 when it disappeared early Saturday from radar was transitioning to work on the Boeing 777-200.

Fariq Ab Hamid, a 27-year-old Malaysian, helped fly the plane from Hong Kong to Kuala Lumpur, where he landed it under the supervision of a senior pilot as well as a safety captain, according to CNN aviation correspondent Richard Quest, who was also in the cockpit.

The network was shooting video of the landing for use in a "CNN Business Traveler" program.

"It was interesting to watch the way he brought the aircraft in to land," Quest recalled about the February 19 landing, which the captain described as textbook-perfect.

Hamid, who has 2,763 flying hours, joined Malaysia Airlines in 2007. He had been flying another jet and was transitioning to the Boeing 777-200 after having completed training in a flight simulator.

The airline's first officers are trained to the same standards as the captains, Quest said he was told by airline officials. "The captain was very much in control, but the first officer was flying the aircraft."

The missing plane was piloted by Capt. Zaharie Ahmad Shah, a 53-year-old Malaysian with 18,365 flying hours who joined the airline in 1981.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane down over Vietnam

Postby Luther Blissett » Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:38 am

Does anyone have any insight on the flight manifest, any Chinese executives or statespeople, persons of interest or anything that sticks out?
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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane down over Vietnam

Postby cptmarginal » Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:04 am

I dunno, but anyone interested can get it here:

http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/my/en/s ... -site.html
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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane down over Vietnam

Postby 82_28 » Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:58 am

My airline pilot brother was being glib, but his first response was "aliens". It is next to impossible for a Boeing 777 to go down with no trace -- multiple transponders and whatnot. Especially the very short span it had over sea, it was to be all over land. There is no way that an airplane of this type could be lost without a trace.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane down over Vietnam

Postby elfismiles » Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:47 pm

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by KVUE.com

Posted on March 8, 2014 at 6:48 PM
Updated today at 1:49 PM

Related:

Malaysian jet may have turned back before vanishing

AUSTIN -- Austin-based company Freescale Semiconductor has issued a statement on their website confirming 20 passengers on the missing Malaysia Airlines Flight worked at the company.

Twelve are from Malaysia and eight are from China.

According to a tweet by the company, the entire Freescale Semiconductor community is deeply saddened by this news.

The company is continuing to monitor the situation and will provide more information as it becomes available.

“At present, we are solely focused on our employees and their families,” said Gregg Lowe, president and CEO of Freescale. “Our thoughts and prayers are with those affected by this tragic event.”

Freescale has assembled counselors and other professionals through Freescale’s Employee Assistance Program, with around-the-clock support for those impacted by this tragedy.

Freescale is an American company that produces and designs embedded hardware. The company was previously known as Motorola.

http://www.kvue.com/news/Austin-based-c ... 48671.html
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Postby elfismiles » Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:52 pm

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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane down over Vietnam

Postby tapitsbo » Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:53 pm

there must have been some sort of satellite footage, as well as electronic communications?

If ground radar coverage was absent over that part of Vietnam, there surely must have been space based sensors that could have picked up the slack?

those cameras are said to have a broad range these days.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane down over Vietnam

Postby divideandconquer » Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:54 pm

Family members of passengers on missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 said they have been able to ring mobile phones, and are begging officials to track the signals before the batteries run out. http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/219032 ... es-flight/
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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane down over Vietnam

Postby RocketMan » Mon Mar 10, 2014 7:28 am

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-paci ... 29282.html

The disappearance of a Malaysian jetliner is an "unprecedented aviation mystery", a senior official said on Monday, with a massive air and sea search now in its third day failing to find any confirmed trace of the plane or the 239 people aboard.

The head of Malaysia's Civil Aviation Authority, Azharuddin Abdul Rahman, said a hijacking attempt could not be ruled out as investigators explore all theories for the loss of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 en route to Beijing.

"Unfortunately we have not found anything that appears to be objects from the aircraft, let alone the aircraft," he told a news conference.

"As far as we are concerned, we have to find the aircraft, we have to find a piece of the aircraft if possible."

As dozens of ships and aircraft from seven countries scour the seas around Malaysia and south of Vietnam, questions mounted over possible security lapses and whether a bomb or hijacking attempt could have brought down the Boeing 777-200ER airliner.

The passenger manifest issued by the airline included the names of two Europeans - Austrian Christian Kozel and Italian Luigi Maraldi - who were not on the plane.

Their passports had been stolen in Thailand during the past two years.

An Interpol spokeswoman said a check of all documents used to board the plane had revealed more "suspect passports", which were being investigated.

"Whilst it is too soon to speculate about any connection between these stolen passports and the missing plane, it is clearly of great concern that any passenger was able to board an international flight using a stolen passport listed in Interpol's databases," Interpol Secretary General Ronald Noble said.

Hopes for a breakthrough rose briefly when Vietnam scrambled helicopters to investigate a floating yellow object it was thought could have been a life raft.

But the country's Civil Aviation Authority said on its website that the object turned out to be a "moss-covered cap of a cable reel".

Flight MH370 disappeared from radar screens in the early hours of Saturday, about an hour into its flight from Kuala Lumpur, after climbing to a cruising altitude of 35,000ft.

No signs

A US Navy P-3 aircraft capable of covering 1,500 sq miles every hour was sweeping the northern part of the Strait of Malacca, on the other side of the Malaysian peninsula from where the last contact with MH370 was made.

"Our aircraft are able to clearly detect small debris in the water, but so far it has all been trash or wood," said US 7th Fleet spokesman Commander William Marks in an emailed statement.

No distress signal was sent from the lost plane, which experts said suggested a sudden catastrophic failure or explosion, but Malaysia's air force chief said radar tracking showed it may have turned back from its scheduled route before it disappeared.

A senior source involved in preliminary investigations in Malaysia told Reuters news agency the failure to quickly find any debris indicated the plane may have broken up mid-flight, which could disperse wreckage over a very wide area.

"The fact that we are unable to find any debris so far appears to indicate that the aircraft is likely to have
disintegrated at around 35,000 feet,"
said the source.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane down over Vietnam

Postby kool maudit » Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:22 am

this is starting to feel VERY RI-ish.
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