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Postby brekin » Sun Mar 30, 2014 9:24 pm

What no Noah thread?
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I have to say I was pleasantly surprised and enjoyed the film. There are many, many liberties taken with the story and the Watchers definitely add a Transformers element. But a narrative of believing one is chosen above others and they are all justified to be doomed to extinction (the ones with Cockney accents who eat meat), the inherent evilness of man and civilization, messianic infanticide, sacrificing ones family for a "higher power" is not your usually Hollywood big star vehicle. I'm not usually a Aronofsky fan but this was like Cormac McCarthy does the bible. I think Crowe should get some credit for playing Noah as not just a stock simple man with a beard but a marbled psychotic visionary in the Old Testament style. It is funny because Arononfsky is getting heat for saying his "biblical film is the least biblical film made" but in many ways he captures the stark craziness and twisted morality of much of the bible.

I was really impressed that they didn't shy away from the depth, ambiguity and dark contradiction of the evilness that the story explored. Like you know, True Detective did.

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Noah Film
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Plot summary
As a young boy, Noah is about to be given the serpent's skin of the original serpent in Eden by his father, which has been passed down for generations. Suddenly, a large crowd approaches, led by a young king named Tubal-Cain, who wants to make that hill into a mine. Seeing Lamech, Tubal-Cain kills him and takes the serpent's skin, while Noah runs.

Many years later, Noah is living with his wife Naameh and his three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth, when he sees a small miracle: a drop of water hits the ground, and a flower grows instantly. After Noah has a disturbing dream, he and his family run to visit Noah's grandfather Methuselah. On the way, they find a group of recently killed people, and among them, a girl that is still alive, named Ila, and they adopt her. Also, Tubal-Cain's men chase them, but they are afraid to enter the dark region that is inhabited by Watchers, fallen angels who look like six-armed stone golems.
It is recounted that the Watchers are friends with Methuselah because he saved them once. They came to earth to help the humans after the Creator had banished humans from Eden, but the Watchers too were punished for disobedience by the Creator, who bound them to the earth and forced them to take form as stone creatures. But after learning from them, the humans tried to enslave and kill them. They tried to run, and Methuselah helped their escape by fighting the waves of human soldiers with a burning sword.

Noah speaks with Methuselah and receives a seed passed down from the Garden of Eden. He plants the seed on a plain, and an entire forest grows upon it within seconds. This miracle convinces the Watchers that Noah is chosen by the Creator. Noah announces that all the wood will be used to build an ark, and they start to help with the construction work.
Roughly eight years pass. As the Ark nears completion, animals start to leave the forests and walk into the ark, where they are put to sleep by incense that Noah prepares. Meanwhile, the surrounding lands have been running short on food, and the humans, led by Tubal-Cain, are beginning to eat human flesh. A horde of about 200 men, led by Tubal-Cain, approaches the Ark, and Tubal-Cain threatens to storm it, but the Watchers force him to turn back.

Noah realizes that his three sons need wives, and that Ila cannot serve because she is barren. He disguises himself and goes into the human camp in order to find three women, and take them into the Ark. At the human camp, he sees humans being slaughtered for food, and some people behaving ferally, and intense crowding and filth. He is stunned by this and gives up the effort, and becomes convinced that the Creator wishes for the entire human race to come to an end. Back at the camp, Methuselah blesses Ila, and her barrenness is cured.

Shortly before the rains start to pour, Ham decides to go to the camp himself and find a woman. He falls into a pit filled with the dead and encounters a frightened young girl named Na'el. She is willing to go with him, but as they run back to the Ark, her foot gets caught in an animal trap. Noah comes to help but sees the human horde coming to raid the Ark, so he forces Ham to leave her behind and save himself. Seconds later, the human horde reaches her and tramples her to death as it passes. All of Noah's family gets in the Ark except for Methuselah, who chooses to die in the flood. As the Ark gets launched, all the Watchers sacrifice themselves fighting the endless human waves. This allows them to return to their Creator, who has forgiven them. As the flood waters pour toward the Ark and his remaining soldiers drown, a wounded Tubal-Cain seizes the opportunity to survive and crawls up a pathway to a high point of the Ark, hacking his way inside the vessel where he is eventually found by Ham. The wicked old king plays on Ham's anger toward Noah for allowing Na'el to die. Meanwhile, the family listens to the dying screams of those outside the Ark. His family implores him to let some of them in, as they "have room," only for a shell-shocked Noah to reply that there is no room for them.

Ila wakes up, feeling ill, and goes to Naameh who deduces that she is with child. At this exact moment, the rains stop completely. Ila says it is because the Creator smiles upon the unborn child. Naameh, Shem, and Ila inform Noah of this, but the patriarch rationalizes that the Creator's wish to destroy humanity also extends to his own family, who he initially thought would simply die of old age once the flood waters recede. He tells the family that if the child is a boy then he will replace their youngest as the last man, but if a girl is born, he will kill the child upon her birth, much to Ila's horror. Not truly willing to do such a thing so much as feeling it is a duty to the Creator, a tearful Noah climbs to the top of the ark and asks for the Creator's counsel. Finding no answer, Noah resolves to do as he told his family. Meanwhile, Tubal-Cain finds aid from the naive Ham (eventually acquiring the boy's help in a plot to kill Noah) and Naameh makes one final, unsuccessful attempt to dissuade her husband.

Many months pass. Ila, now hugely pregnant, and Shem build a small raft to escape Noah's plot to kill their child. Noah burns the raft. The shock of this causes Ila to go into labor. With Naameh's assistance, the terrified young girl gives birth to twin girls. Hearing the babe's cries, Noah pursues Ila to the top of the vessel. As Ila sings to the crying infants to pacify them before they die, Noah looks upon the girls and decides to let them live.

Tubal-Cain has seemingly manipulated Ham into believing the king is killing Noah for the sake of Ila and Shem's offspring as well as vengeance for Na'el, and Ham lures Noah to the tail end of the ark on the false pretense that the animals have awoken and have begun eating each other. As Noah and Tubal-Cain engage in a brutal fight, the Ark hits a mountain, and Tubal-Cain is thrown through the shattered wall of the vessel, being greatly injured. As the king rises and attempts to finish a similarly-injured Noah off, a repentant Ham stabs Tubal-Cain in the ribcage, killing him.

As the rest of the family begins making a new life for themselves, Ham decides it is time for him to leave, still angry at Noah for what happened to Na'el. Ila confronts Noah on allowing his grandchildren to survive, telling him that the Creator gave him the choice of whether mankind should be saved or not. When she asks why he didn't kill them, Noah reveals he had nothing but love for the babies when he first saw them, because he saw the goodness of mankind. Later, the family stands atop a cliff face, and Noah blesses them all as the beginning of a new human race. They watch as the Creator sends a rainbow from the sky, covering all of the Earth, signaling his promise to never destroy mankind with a flood again.

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Re: Noah

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:33 am

Was Noah a Shaman?
Posted by Rick MG at 11:36, 31 Mar 2014



If you haven't seen Darren Aronofsky's Noah yet, do yourself a favour and see it. It's copping a lot of criticism from atheists & believers alike, both sides completely missing the point of storytelling and mythology. Allegory isn't that hard to find in the dictionary. It's their loss, Noah is a fantastic movie.

Sir Anthony Hopkins, who plays Noah's grandfather Methuselah, gave this brief but fascinating interview about his approach to playing Methuselah, the film's shamanic themes, & why he gave Noah a hallucinogenic brew to speak with God.

Sir Anthony Hopkins on philosophy and shamanism in 'Noah'
The acting titan talks about the amazing location where he shot his scenes

BY DREW MCWEENY SATURDAY, MAR 29, 2014 6:45 PM

HitFix recently sat down with Anthony Hopkins to talking about his upcoming film 'Noah'.

Sir Anthony Hopkins is one of those people I look forward to speaking with at any press day where he appears because I know that whatever he gives you, it's not a rote answer he's given a thousand times, and that's something I value at this point.

I understand why actors fall into that, and there are certainly people who are very good at it, who can make it feel fresh each time, but it doesn't change the basic mechanism, which is that junkets turn you into a hamster on a treadmill, and it's very hard for someone to keep their focus for a full day of that, no matter who they are.

Hopkins, though, simply doesn't play the game. I get the sense that if you walk into the room with something you actually want to discuss, he's game. Talking to him about how he approached the role of Methuselah for Darren Aronofsky's "Noah" was interesting because of how clearly the character is drawn from a shamanic tradition.

It's not really what I'm used to seeing in Bible films, particularly the part where he offers Noah a hallucinogenic brew that is designed to foster a vision from God. That's not me interpreting things through a certain filter, either. That is the actual text of Aronofsky's film. Methuselah prepares a drink, and once Noah's ingested it, Methuselah mentions its hallucinogenic properties.

Noah is propelled into a vision of the Garden and the snake and Adam and Eve's fall and Cain and Abel's violence, and he sees the flood, and he sees the Ark, and he knows, with one complete revelation, what he is supposed to do. Methuselah isn't remotely surprised. He knew that this particular brew would give Noah a direct pipeline to the voice of God, and Aronofsky uses a very real-world visual vocabulary to show a direct communion with the supernatural.

It's just one part of what I find so fascinating about the movie. The location where Hopkins had to shoot his scenes is suitably apocalyptic and visually arresting, and it sounds like it was a lot easier to shoot than one might expect.

Overall, this is way too short a chat with one of cinema's true gentlemen.



The film Noah began as a graphic novel (Amazon US/UK), and although both the comic (gorgeously illustrated by Niko Henrichon) and the film follow the Biblical story fairly faithfully (pardon the pun), there are enough differences to make them completely different beasts. io9 recently spoke with Aronofsky and co-writer Ari Handel about creating Noah, and why it should appeal to atheists, believers, and everyone in between.

Darren Aronofsky wrote:
... you don't need to be Jewish or Christian or even religious to be familiar with the Noah story or be moved by the idea of a universal flood punishing mankind for our wickedness and threatening to wipe us out for good. That's part of our cultural heritage. It's buried deep. And like all deeply ingrained stories it continually gets retold and reinvented with each telling. Hopefully our telling resonates with all sorts of people, Jewish or Christian, atheists or believers.
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Re: Noah

Postby brekin » Wed Apr 02, 2014 12:03 pm

slad wrote:
If you haven't seen Darren Aronofsky's Noah yet, do yourself a favour and see it. It's copping a lot of criticism from atheists & believers alike, both sides completely missing the point of storytelling and mythology. Allegory isn't that hard to find in the dictionary. It's their loss, Noah is a fantastic movie.

Sir Anthony Hopkins, who plays Noah's grandfather Methuselah, gave this brief but fascinating interview about his approach to playing Methuselah, the film's shamanic themes, & why he gave Noah a hallucinogenic brew to speak with God.


Agreed, Hopkins does an incredible job. What I loved about the shaman/merlin trope he played with, was he really played with it. He could have just been a intimidating old man on the mountain Hannibal Lecter in a robe but he really tapped the child like but wise great grandfather vein that added some much needed warmth and levity. His final exit is one of the best scenes ever committed to film. That will be the last thing they play when he passes from this realm to honor him.

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Ray Winstone shined darkly as well.

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Re: Noah

Postby Hammer of Los » Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:18 am

...
Yeah, yeah here we go.

Who be noah, what the ark?
Who to prophet's words would hark?
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Re: Noah

Postby beeblebrox » Thu Apr 03, 2014 10:14 am



I think the black monolith is a metaphor of some kind.

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Re: Noah

Postby Hammer of Los » Fri Apr 11, 2014 12:56 pm

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Update.

Don't you worry 'bout me none, folx.

I'm juzt a crazy man.

Ain't I?

Besides, Earth's jus' fine.

I hope.

And pray.

And I pray 24/7.

Dat good prayer.
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