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Re: Successful Boston Marathon Psyop Captures RI

Postby alan ford » Mon Jun 23, 2014 11:12 am

This is really getting ridiculous, as kids bickering in the kindergarten, waiting for the teacher to came and calm them down.

If I may say, Jack had two excellent questions / statements that I have failed to see response directed to them, so I'd like to repeat those, and my opinion is that the discussion should focus on this points , not on who said what to whom, who is offended and who should go out:

1. "Crisis actor thread " - why would be necessary to have "crisis actor woman" say "we heard explosions" or whatever the exact words were ? Jack's thesis is that there is a lot of real witnesses who would have said the same, so why the "crisis actor"?

2. "Psyop thread " - the thesis "no plane" or similar theories are effectively helping in promoting idea that all the "legitimate" questions that could be asked instead are ridiculous , and are assosiaceting together "conspiracy theorists" as a bunch of loonies.

If one doesn't agree with those, perhaps would be better approach to discuss them and not personality of Jack.
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Re: Successful Boston Marathon Psyop Captures RI

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Jun 23, 2014 11:16 am

the personality of jack started this thread because he did not like something someone wrote here at RI....am I correct on that?

he did edit out the name correct? or am I wrong about that?
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Re: Successful Boston Marathon Psyop Captures RI

Postby Hunter » Mon Jun 23, 2014 11:26 am

Searcher08 » Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:29 am wrote:
Hunter » Mon Jun 23, 2014 2:05 pm wrote:
seemslikeadream » Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:00 am wrote:we don't need nannies here....we don't need a member here all by himself deciding what should be censored at RI ...and that is EXACTLY what has happened....in all my years here there has been only one member that has successfully been able to censor discussion ...couple that with the nannies here....Houston we have a problem ...when I can not post an article from DissidentVoice ...there is a problem...period


and it's just not crazy conspiracy theories

While I agree with you in spirit we also have rules against people posting holocaust denial shit and no planes crap, and for good reason. I bet dollars to donuts if Jeff were still active, the crisis actor shit would be added to that list in very short order.


@Hunter
Jeff is still active and he hasn't. He took out the 'Menz rights' troll quite recently.
I think that talking about the events of Sandy Hook specifically should NOT be conflated with Holocaust Denial. There is a very large base of accurate information about the Holocaust which Deniers flee from. There is no such base of accurate information regarding Sandy Hook.
Are you saying that there is nothing unusual about Sandy Hook?
I believe the State government there are passing a law which will mean five years in jail for whistleblowing any evidence related to it, under the guise of victim protection.



No I am not saying there is nothing unusual about Sandy Hook at all, to the contrary there is a lot of unusual things, whether those unusual things are the result of inaccurate early reports due to chaos and confusion or actual cover-up conspiracy I do not know. I am still open to any discussion about it but I have asked four times on this forum in the last few weeks for someone to explain to me that if it is a hoax, where are all the kids that were killed, they have to be somewhere right? All their cousins, friends, parents co workers etc surely all knew these children and now the kids are gone, presumed dead, and if it was a hoax, where are they. And as of yet nobody has responded to my posts about that. I am open to discussion but it seems nobody has any real answers as to how such a large scale event could be hoaxed.


But I will ask you a similar question do you not see anything unusual about the introduction of outrageous theories like no planes, holograms and crisis actors in to what was otherwise very sincere and genuine discussion about things like 9-11, Boston and Sandy Hook and which once introduced turned that discussion in to a quagmire that most of those sincere and honest researchers no longer wanted anything to do with it and wont touch it with a ten foot pole?

I am certainly open to the possibility that MAYBE Lanza wasnt the killer or maybe there was more than one shooter or maybe it was some sort of psyop but I do believe those kids were killed and the parents are and were mourning the loss of those children, so I dont understand who the crisis actors were. I am also pretty sure people had their legs and arms blown off in Boston and those were not actors we seen laying there with veins and arteries hanging out of said blown off limbs who just stepped out of hollywood makeup trailer. IMO the introduction of such BS was designed specifically to drive away the honest and sincere researcher who had honest and sincere questions about the events, those honest and sincere researchers with honest and sincere questions have now been effectively driven away or to the sidelines by these crisis actor pushers because, for good reason, they dont want anything to do with that sort of outrageous bullshit and that, my friend, is what I call Mission Accomplished, they did it with 9-11 and they did it with Sandy Hook and Boston, those are discussions that the honest and sincere conspiracy researcher can no longer touch without immediately being associated with the likes of Alex Jones et al, and that includes me. I cant touch those things and bring up what I believe are real and honest and sincere questions about the official stories because I cant afford to have my reputation and credibility destroyed by being associated with people like Jones.

So you dont think those who want to stop us from asking the tough questions would not introduce the outrageous in an attempt to stop us from talking about it altogether by making it in to a fucking mockery and a three ring circus? Yes they would, they do and they have and they will continue to do so until we smarten up and stop becoming their unwitting supporters and propagandists.

On first thought I would think Jeff probably isnt aware of the depth of how sinister the crisis actor shit is and that is why he hasnt banned that discussion but maybe I am wrong and he has no problem with it, I can only speak for myself and from what I know of Jeff my guess would be that is something that he wouldnt like very much if he were still as active as he used to be, even though he may pop in now and then I dont think he is reading every thread and sees what that is all about. But that is just my opinion. In any case him not banning it doesnt mean he supports it perhaps he just feels it hasnt become a big enough problem around here to take those measures which he doesnt take lightly, the guy doesnt ban much and only does so in extraordinary circumstances.
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Re: Successful Boston Marathon Psyop Captures RI

Postby Hunter » Mon Jun 23, 2014 11:29 am

alan ford » Mon Jun 23, 2014 11:12 am wrote:This is really getting ridiculous, as kids bickering in the kindergarten, waiting for the teacher to came and calm them down.

If I may say, Jack had two excellent questions / statements that I have failed to see response directed to them, so I'd like to repeat those, and my opinion is that the discussion should focus on this points , not on who said what to whom, who is offended and who should go out:

1. "Crisis actor thread " - why would be necessary to have "crisis actor woman" say "we heard explosions" or whatever the exact words were ? Jack's thesis is that there is a lot of real witnesses who would have said the same, so why the "crisis actor"?

2. "Psyop thread " - the thesis "no plane" or similar theories are effectively helping in promoting idea that all the "legitimate" questions that could be asked instead are ridiculous , and are assosiaceting together "conspiracy theorists" as a bunch of loonies.

If one doesn't agree with those, perhaps would be better approach to discuss them and not personality of Jack.


Excellent point, things are getting too personal around here, lets direct our attention to questions asked, posts, and not posters.
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Re: Successful Boston Marathon Psyop Captures RI

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Jun 23, 2014 11:31 am

the OP was started as personal ...before the editing ..it hasn't got personal ...it has been personal from the beginning
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Re: Successful Boston Marathon Psyop Captures RI

Postby Hunter » Mon Jun 23, 2014 11:33 am

seemslikeadream » Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:34 am wrote:it depends on who is posting and what they are posting about .....if this had been posted by anyone other than elf they would have been trashed ..it just depends on who's posting and who can be bullied and who can get away with said bullying


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Re: The Hum.
Postby elfismiles » Sat Jun 21, 2014 8:57 am
Wow, still reading but very good article here:

A Mysterious Sound Is Driving People Insane — And Nobody Knows What's Causing It
By Jared Keller June 19, 2014
http://mic.com/articles/91091/a-mysteri ... causing-it

But the bit that just sent the article in a different direction...


This a pressing public health issue. It is not just some casual annoyance, claims Kohlhase. The resulting infrasonic sounds blanketing the region could result in widespread vibroacoustic disease — an occupational disease occurring from long-term exposure to large pressure amplitude and low frequency noise — the symptoms of which include those often described by Hum suffers: depression, mood swings, insomnia and other stress-induced pathologies.

The Hum may transition from unexplained mystery to unfortunate byproduct of modernity, a fixture of human geography like light pollution.

State and local governments may finally be paying attention. Worried about the potential behavioral effects of the Connecticut Hum, Kohlhase dispatched concerned emails to state and local health officials laying out his research. Kohlhase was so persistent that he contacted Connecticut State Police investigators almost six weeks after the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, insisting that the Hum allegedly produced by nearby gas pipelines could have had something to do with Adam Lanza's behavior leading up to the shooting. While law enforcement officials field a flood of calls from conspiracy theorists and pranksters following any major incident, investigators deemed the information Kohlhase provided "appropriate" for inclusion in the 7,000 images, audio files, videos and documents released to the public.

"The reason that it could've affected Lanza is that sound and vibrations can have extremely subtle, detrimental affects on someone who's fragile minded," explains Kohlhase. "Imagine if you're mentally ill or have a brain tumor or are just, well, fragile of mind. I am absolutely not an expert, but if sound sensitivity is such a serious issue to those on the autism spectrum, perhaps extremely low frequency sounds can result in a pernicious effect." Kohlhase points to Aaron Alexis, the defense subcontractor who battled mental health issues and scrawled "My ELF Weapon" into the stock of his shotgun before killing 12 people at the Washington Navy Yard in 2013. "He told his psychiatrist he'd been chased by vibrations. Look at a map of instances like this, in Washington, or the Gabby Giffords shooting in Arizona, and I bet you'll see that each place coincides with a Hum cluster."

Here is the fundamental problem facing Hum sufferers around the world: believability. Scientific data and anecdotal experiences of the Hum vary so much from region the world that it's still unclear whether VLF and ELF waves are the source of it, let alone a catalyst for mass murder. The idea of a mysterious noise driving people to suicide has given birth to all kinds of pseudoscientific conjecture, making the phenomenon a favorite for conspiracy junkies who suspect foul play by some malicious government scheme (or UFOs, obviously). The World Hum, a site devoted to exploring the "mysterious phenomenon being heard by thousands around the world," is riddled with byzantine entries about UFOs crashing in Siberia.

MacPherson knows how insane it sounds. "There's a terrible irony to the vision of a conspiracy nut in a tinfoil hat, trying to keep the government from beaming thoughts into their heads," laughs MacPhearson, "since aluminum does protect against some electromagnetic radiation. This is why you don't put that stuff in the microwave."

http://mic.com/articles/91091/a-mysteri ... ign=social


Why would anyone but Elf be trashed for that article, it doesnt say anything about crisis actors and is merely looking in to what may have caused Lanza to go off. Its not suggesting the event was a hoax, it may be a far reaching theory but well within the bounds of respectful discussion without trashing victims or their parents. Or maybe I am missing something.
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Re: Successful Boston Marathon Psyop Captures RI

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Jun 23, 2014 11:39 am

1. Successful Boston Marathon Psyop Captures RI......captures RI?? captures RI??? Is there anyone here that actually believes that? Such a silly statement...I take offense

2. Successful Boston Marathon Psyop has no more captured RI than the fascists or anti-semites have... :roll:
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Re: Successful Boston Marathon Psyop Captures RI

Postby Hunter » Mon Jun 23, 2014 11:46 am

So maybe Jack is guilty of using a little hyperbole, we all do that from time to time but still there are enough people on here pushing the crisis actor meme that I believe it does require some fighting back and effort to take the discussion back from those who want to end it. I dont believe those on RI pushing it have bad intention, I simply think they have been duped and that is no insult to them, they are all good intelligent people who have contributed lots of good stuff on this forum over the years but on this issue I believe they are wrong and they are listening to the very people that dont want this discussion to take place in an honest and sincere way and therefore have introduced the outrageous in an attempt to drive away the honest and sincere person who has real questions about the events but can clearly see that the discussion has been hijacked in an attempt to turn it in to and everyone who touches it in to a mockery.
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Re: Successful Boston Marathon Psyop Captures RI

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Jun 23, 2014 11:53 am

well then let's have some actual proof of this "Successful Boston Marathon Psyop Captures RI" cause I don't see it...just like I don't see a swarm of fascist posting here that there has to be at least one warning thread on the front page of this place permanently


so kindly provide documentation of this capture or near capture ...just how many posts make a capture anyway?
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Re: Successful Boston Marathon Psyop Captures RI

Postby alan ford » Mon Jun 23, 2014 11:57 am

seemslikeadream » Mon Jun 23, 2014 11:31 am wrote:the OP was started as personal ...before the editing ..it hasn't got personal ...it has been personal from the beginning


Jack posted his thesis why "crisis actor" idea "no plane" idea and similar are bad and/or dangerous . What I'm saying is that his thesis can be discussed, but I failed to see any reasonable refute of his main points.

What I'd suggest is to think of what he said not about him, the essence of the idea is important.
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Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Jun 23, 2014 12:15 pm

then he needs to change the title of this thread.....when was the last time you saw a no plane OP? If there was one I guess that would be one too many....but over run?....captures RI? No where near.....I would discuss something if the premiss had any merit but as far as I can tell it is practically non existent ...Jack always pisses and moans at me cause I can't take criticism of something I post....well that's calling the kettle black

he started this OP cause he had a problem with a poster and cleverly this thread was his way of getting rid of him ...Jack creates a problem that does not exist...we are not overrun ...we have not been captured ..not even frickin' close

he either wants to protect the other lowly members here from the evils of a single poster or keep RI Jack pure ..I'm not sure
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Re: Successful Boston Marathon Psyop Captures RI

Postby Hunter » Mon Jun 23, 2014 12:30 pm

This shit really shouldnt need to be explained, after 9-11 we all had good honest and sincere questions about foreknowledge, the money trial, drills, building 7 etc, in short order all those questions were drowned out by NO NO YOURE WRONG IT WAS ALL A HOAX THE PLANES WERE HOLOGRAMS!!!. Same thing in Boston, it was PLENTY ENOUGH to ask questions about Agency XYZ recruiting and using informants to carry out these events, good questions about the brothers prior contact with these agencies and neo con intellectual elites, but that was quickly drowned out by NO THIS IS ALL FAKE AND THOSE WERE ACTORS!!!. Same thing with Sandy Hook, there was good questions to ask about the response to it, why didnt they respond by the book, everything about the response was different about this event, good solid questions were being raised and discussed and then they were quickly drowned out by NOPE, IT WAS A HOAX AND THEY ARE ALL ACTORS!!!!!.

Cant you see a pattern here and why some of us would take great issue with this BS want to to fight back to get our discussion back and take it away from those who want to end all discussion by turning it in to a three ring circus side show?
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Re: Successful Boston Marathon Psyop Captures RI

Postby Hunter » Mon Jun 23, 2014 12:34 pm

seemslikeadream » Mon Jun 23, 2014 12:15 pm wrote:then he needs to change the title of this thread.....when was the last time you saw a no plane OP? If there was one I guess that would be one too many....but over run?....captures RI? No where near.....I would discuss something if the premiss had any merit but as far as I can tell it is practically non existent ...Jack always pisses and moans at me cause I can't take criticism of something I post....well that's calling the kettle black

he started this OP cause he had a problem with a poster and cleverly this thread was his way of getting rid of him ...Jack creates a problem that does not exist...we are not overrun ...we have not been captured ..not even frickin' close

he either wants to protect the other lowly members here from the evils of a single poster or keep RI Jack pure ..I'm not sure

The BS theories that ruined al 9-11 truth discussion DEFINITELY captured RI enough so that Jeff had to ban it, it completely took over the forum, of course you dont see it anymore, for one it was banned and for two anyone with a brain will no longer touch 9-11 because it is radioactive to do so and ruins any credibility you have.
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Re: Successful Boston Marathon Psyop Captures RI

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Jun 23, 2014 12:37 pm

Hunter » Mon Jun 23, 2014 11:30 am wrote:This shit really shouldnt need to be explained, after 9-11 we all had good honest and sincere questions about foreknowledge, the money trial, drills, building 7 etc, in short order all those questions were drowned out by NO NO YOURE WRONG IT WAS ALL A HOAX THE PLANES WERE HOLOGRAMS!!!. Same thing in Boston, it was PLENTY ENOUGH to ask questions about Agency XYZ recruiting and using informants to carry out these events, good questions about the brothers prior contact with these agencies and neo con intellectual elites, but that was quickly drowned out by NO THIS IS ALL FAKE AND THOSE WERE ACTORS!!!. Same thing with Sandy Hook, there was good questions to ask about the response to it, why didnt they respond by the book, everything about the response was different about this event, good solid questions were being raised and discussed and then they were quickly drowned out by NOPE, IT WAS A HOAX AND THEY ARE ALL ACTORS!!!!!.

Cant you see a pattern here and why some of us would take great issue with this BS want to to fight back to get our discussion back and take it away from those who want to end all discussion by turning it in to a three ring circus side show?



where is all this talk happening here? where is the pattern here?....if you're talking in general internet fine...then make that premiss and talk on but it is NOT HAPPENING HERE...don't confuse the two....just make that clear in this discussion you want to have...and don't start a thread just to shame a member and make him leave
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Re: Successful Boston Marathon Psyop Captures RI

Postby Hunter » Mon Jun 23, 2014 12:37 pm

seemslikeadream » Mon Jun 23, 2014 11:53 am wrote:well then let's have some actual proof of this "Successful Boston Marathon Psyop Captures RI" cause I don't see it...just like I don't see a swarm of fascist posting here that there has to be at least one warning thread on the front page of this place permanently


so kindly provide documentation of this capture or near capture ...just how many posts make a capture anyway?

I just conceded in the post you responded to that maybe Jack was using a little hyperbole when he said it captured RI but there was enough discussion of crisis actor disnformation for a while that it was borderline taking threads over completely and anyone who didnt agree was being shouted down which led to others shouting them down and pretty much ruined the entire discussion in general for either side, WHICH I ASSUME WAS THE ENTIRE POINT!
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