Successful Boston Marathon Psyop Captures RI

[JackRiddler]

Hunter, good for you. Notice NO ONE is going to take up your points, because... they just make sense. Making sense is the mark of an inflexible mind! Insist on it long enough and it will be determined you're a suitable subject for the same species of psychobabble.

[justdrew]

1. Jack is right.

2. The entire "crisis actor" meme needs to be BANNED from the board by executive decision.

3. crisis-actors is CLEARLY a psiwar campaign aimed at fucking with the heads of as many "truth seekers" as possible, it is NOT clear who is operating the campaign, though I'd bet my money on right-wing gun-nut fascists as the most likely ku-ee-bono.

4. I'm not sure some accounts haven't been 'hacked'. I'm fairly sure a lot of people probably don't have the most secure unguessable passwords in the world for this site, and unfortunately the login name is the same as the user name.

5. If you are a former poster and read this, and find yourself unable to access your account, please try to find a way to let someone know.

[seemslikeadream]

Jack maybe be right about that ....he is not right about calling members here motherfuckers and disinfo agents ....Iamwhoiam Nordic and myself were suspended for saying f*ck you just a short time ago

I'm sure you know the disinfo rule


He should not have started this OP with chumps name in it ....later deleted


I'd like to know who else he thinks are disinfo here

Is he right about this just?

You are such a lying little prick, you know that? You're still living through this completely non-existent slight you imagine I made to you, based on your misreading of a text that everyone else had no trouble understanding. Once you decided that you were hurt, there would never again be any escaping your irrational repetition of your own myth. What am I supposed to say, "I'm sorry oh SLAD the Sad for saying you should kill yourself," when, in fact, I said nothing of the sort to you? It teaches me the lesson to get the fuck off the Internet finally.

[justdrew]

it was just a figure of speech. (a shitty one, but it's out-there nonetheless). I feel he's eaten enough crow about it and it should be dropped. yet here perhaps he brought it up first. If so he shouldn't have, if something is to be dropped both parties need to drop it. Jack is pissed, for good reason I think, no one is perfect. Please move past the inter-personal bickering folks.

[82_28]

Nah, the topic shouldn't be banned. I realize it's an unpopular idea and it's not even one I ascribe to, yet they have to exist in some capacity. Here is why I think so:

Depending upon the "gravity" of the event it is not out of the question where you would have personell in place for the initial media surge only to be backed out. The "crisis actor" could in fact be thinking that they are working an excercise or something.

It seems that having the job of crisis actor is even more important now that there is so much more capability to tell the whole story without the media. If you watch media out and about when these things happen -- during a lockdown or something -- there can be figures in the opening phases who set the tone never to be heard from again. Hell Jessica Lynch can be a crisis actor as well as her entire team. They were hired to be fake. The baby incubator girl from years ago, have we heard from her recently? Just off the top of my head. . .

Maybe I just think of "crisis actor" differently. If spree killers exist, if media exists, if victims exist, why not the crisis actor? If it's possible for the media to not cover pressing stories, why is it not possible for actors to make the news? And I am sooooooooo not arguing here. Just, crisis actors in grave media saturated situations is not at all out of the realm of possibility.

As far as it being "banned", how will we know when we have a totally obvious one after the next disaster. Keep mum or get suspended? Just let it roll peeps and don't get pissed about it.

Edit: what Drew said before me

[JackRiddler]

He should not have started this OP with chumps name in it ....later deleted

This is an enduring example of why it's worse for you to be a liar than for me to call you a liar and therefore a prick. It's worse for you to be a liar than for me to say "fuck."

How many times have I explained that I used the prior text (STILL AVAILABLE) as a draft that I then edited? I have no problem with that text. I posted a link to it above. It is not deleted. chump posted hateful and explicit racist shit and you want to pretend it's worse that I started this thread?

[8bitagent]

There definitely has 100% been proven to be "crisis actors", as 82_28. The "wag the dog" Kuwaiti ambassador daughter was definitely a crisis actor. However, the newer word in the conspiracy lexicon is used
in conjunction with the terrible new "hoax" theory whenever a mass shooting or terror act happens. It is no different in my view than the no planers or holocaust deniers.

[JackRiddler]

There definitely has 100% been proven to be "crisis actors", as 82_28. The "wag the dog" Kuwaiti ambassador daughter was definitely a crisis actor.

No she wasn't. She was a liar speaking what was later proven to be a lie in testimony. The term did not yet exist.

A "crisis actor" is a new category cooked up to accuse the victims of actual crimes of being fakes. Basically, anyone actually present at a mass murder, or related to one of the victims, is now going to be called by this name, in an obvious disinformation campaign that lives in a perfect symbiosis with the "skeptoids."

No one is safe from this accusation. Everyone is to be judged as deficient in depicting themselves. If they're too emotional, they're a crisis actor, but they're also a crisis actor if their affect is flat.

Here is a particularly disgusting example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkQeBfz0DtQ

[justdrew]

human assets who "act" as joe-public-witness to try to set the initial spin is possible (though a more clear term for the J. Lynch type is: a useful idiot put in place to 'fail') - do not start using such inflammatory loaded term as crisis actor, it's a real thing, don't conflate it with other real things. It's only confusing needlessly.

Consider the downside risk with such a policy, what happens if it's exposed? That risk would outweigh any benefit. but 82_28, your 'version' of crisis-actor is very different from what is being pushed by Jonestown and the youtube-based wannabes.

and what if the "information management apparatus" is being used to hide from us the not-widely-known-fact that an unknown 3rd party is priming and controlling some % of these spree killers? Would it be good for us to know that? It'd be like the damn ufo thing all over again, possibly there is a real good reason to limit information flow. NOT THAT I'M advancing that line of reasoning at all, it's just another possibility to consider.

[Hunter]

Jack is rightfully pissed because now when you question any official story, say you tell a friend or colleague "hey check this out it looks like these guys may have been informants for the fbi and there is a long pattern of this sort of thing in these events..."

The response now is:

"Oh so you are one of those people who think it was all a hoax and those poor victims were crisis actors, you and all the conspiracy theory people are all a bunch of sick and twisted son of a bitches get away from me with that shit."


YEA THAT IS HAPPENING. AND IT IS FUCKED UP AND THAT IS WHAT THEY INTENDED TO HAPPEN AND SOME OF YOU HAVE UNWITTINGLY HELPED.

And NO I am not calling anyone here a disinfo agent, like someone else said, I simply think some of you are barking up the wrong tree, but you are not alone, a lot of people are falling for this same BS.

[Plutonia]

To answer the question of "why crisis actors?"

I present This Thread.

As if psyoperatives have a mandate to adhere to what we consider "makes sense" or what seems Rational to us.
Ffs they are paid to mindfuck us. How does a hard-working psyoperative score a +1 Mindfuck Win these days - have crisis actors and real victims both at the bloodbath. Why the fuck wouldn't they?

I mean, of course those assholes insert weirdness into the datastream wake of their black-ops. Hello! SRA?!

Or, maybe someone here besides just me has witnessed a gangstalking campaign in full swing? That's a thing that defies normal sense-making. By our normal sense of the way things work, it should never happen. It's seriously WTF?!!! Same goes for that spookcraft technique known as "street theatre"? Rational or not rational depends on if you are the target, the fuckers.

One last point. There is a thing with people, maybe you've heard about it? It's a part of our archaic, animalistic survival program that predisposes people to notice and pay attention to what is anomalous in our environment. It's biological. I'm sure there are lots of laughs about it around the psyoperative's campfire, how stupidly fixated we get.

Anyway, I like how Stevie Wonder puts it: "When you believe in things that you don't understand, then you suffer."

[JackRiddler]

Ffs they are paid to mindfuck us. How does a hard-working psyoperative score a +1 Mindfuck Win these days - have crisis actors and real victims both at the bloodbath. Why the fuck wouldn't they?

I mean, of course those assholes insert weirdness into the datastream wake of their black-ops. Hello! SRA?!

Okay, at least you tried. Why the fuck wouldn't they is not an argument for anything, however. Or rather, it's an argument for and against absolutely every thinkable proposition, without any exception. None. Why the fuck wouldn't they fake the nation of Iraq, you know what I'm saying? Why the fuck wouldn't they have us all as brains in a vat, a la Bostrom and the Matrix? In other words, if why not is to be a credible standard, then it works even better as an argument for the low-cost, low-risk, high-reward of just making up increasingly ridiculous scenarios for "conspiracy theories," then betting on how successfully they can fob these off on conspiracy theorists who proceed to credulously repeat the crap. That works for "no planes theory" really well, don't you think? It's a masterpiece of the genre, and a good illustration of what's really going on, since it's impossible as anything other than a delusion or a disinfo fable.

In the case of "crisis actors," it takes an even uglier turn for being so trivial and personal. Its function as a general shut-down for discussions with the genpop is obvious. Never mind that this tiny minority of "we" is bogged down in some useless thread on a small message board. Everyone has heard of "crisis actors" theory. About ten times more people know about it than could outline the evidence that the majority of "terrorist" cases constitute entrapment plots initiated and devised wholly by the FBI. That's power. Why wouldn't they do it?

[Plutonia]

Your hectoring and moralistic tone is really unpleasant Jack. Actually, I've noticed that that seems to be an increasingly common way for you Americans to communicate with each other. Over at Morris Berman's blog, he has a lot of fun with that since his book Why America Failed made him a target of American Indignation.

Do you know the story of Anna Mae Aquash? She was an AIM activist who was murdered by her fellow activists because COINTELPRO operatives had convinced them that she was an informant. That was a terrific win for the spooks. High fives all round. Absolutely devastating for the activists. My point is, the victims of these ops are not just the people who lost limbs, or children or family members, but every single one of us. Every one of us.

In fact, we are the targets.

[Project Willow]

I mean, of course those assholes insert weirdness into the datastream wake of their black-ops. Hello! SRA?!

Yeah, I wish it were like that, it would almost make more sense, but it's real thing, a germination bed, as it were, of familial psyops before institutional psyops, unfortunately, but perhaps I'm misinterpreting you.

One last point. There is a thing with people, maybe you've heard about it? It's a part of our archaic, animalistic survival program that predisposes people to notice and pay attention to what is anomalous in our environment. It's biological. I'm sure there are lots of laughs about it around the psyoperative's campfire, how stupidly fixated we get.

Totally agree. It's most safe to assume these days that every and all "animalistic survial program" we possess has been mapped and tuned for maximum exploitation. Feel an impulse? Check for potential mind-fuckery.

.....................

So this discussion has devolved into yet another exploration of every individual's perceived shortcomings. Well, ain't nobody ideally formed and presented that I ever met, and meanwhile... the sociopaths continue unabated while everyone dresses each other down over a relatively minor difference of opinion. Is it not possible to maintain a broader perspective in these disputes? It's almost as if there's no language for parley unless solidarity is 100%, which of course never happens.

Same as it ever was.

[JackRiddler]

Your hectoring and moralistic tone is really unpleasant Jack.

To you, I was nice. And I would be again.