Today in world-historical perspective (why not?)

[JackRiddler]

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This is the point where the conversation breaks down. Since I share many sympathies with Ben D ideologically in this thread, i'm hesitant to contribute further because Jack may be hostile to my post too. Which in the grand scheme of things doesn't mean much, but isn't very conducive to a, you know, a conversation.

Really? I don't mind your posts actually. Why do you think Ben D was the first to say, "no offense"? Why did he think what he said would be taken as an offense?

Paraphrasing for comedy:

Ben D: Since I'm old and wise and can see past your materialist trivia, God has revealed to me things he isn't telling you. N-dimensional demons rule, we are their feast! The real, hidden power elite serve them. I can't or won't explain to you how I know this, since "knowing" is the way of the unspiritual lesser souls, meaning you. But I will tell you anyway in this thread. No offense!

Me: You are full of shit. (Demonstrates this through same technique of "God told me this so it's true.") No offense!

Where did this derail again? At the use of a bad, bad word? I'd say nothing's derailed. There is great disorder under heaven and the situation is perfect.

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[82_28]

Go with the flow peeps.

[Ben D]

That's big of you! How do you stand being so full of shit? No offense meant. I just used my hard-earned access to the deeper nature of reality, using an insight you cannot understand, to determine that you are full of shit. I can't explain why, for to employ logical devices or facts would be an insult to the underlying mystical Truth. I can just See.

Apologies once again to BrandonD for the confusion. Ben D is indeed who I meant was the long-running oil company apologist, which is my so very-unfair way of saying he's been a constant presence in promoting the ideology of climate change denialism, albeit with a limited range of sophistry. Which, again, does not mean he is subjectively shilling for the oil companies, but only objectively serving their purposes and making himself a part of their propaganda campaigns. Sort of like how pretending, on the basis of no evidence, that one knows "egregore" is a literal truth objectively creates Cthulhu on earth.

But yes, that's off-topic. Both the identity mix-up and the climate denial stuff.

You do know that this ad hom and off topic attack is not how I and most other members prefer to be engaged?

....I mean what is this shitty anal language that has become a part of your character...the sort of thing one would expect from some old frustrated drag queen or some such, but not from you Jacky?

You should take a break from RI until you sort yourself out Jack....I remember well you were a pleasant character when you first came here...somewhere along the time line you changed your polarization and there we stand.

[82_28]

We all have our own personalities. Just chill out. I like Jack and AD and everyone. Quit accusing others of doing something in which they are doing. There's no right way to live life and one of the right ways is to live and let. Some of you guys should go bartend for a month or two. This shit here is nothing and nothing ever to get pissed about.

[BrandonD]

Get in line. I've been around a while too (though I wouldn't say too long!), I've been subjective and objective, balanced and whacked, comatose and euphoric, meditative and blind, and on and off a decent variety of drugs, and yet I've stuck with my youthful observation that being old doesn't necessarily lead to greater wisdom, and in fact many people get even dumber and meaner as they age. Surprise, surprise. The old often hate and destroy the young, and in justifying it invoke some supposed special insight they acquired while getting old. It also works the other way around; the young destroy the best of the old. Life's complicated. One of the easiest coping strategies is to condescendingly claim special yet vague, uncommunicable knowledge on the basis of a personal intuition that others can just accept.

Uncommunicable knowledge is not a coping strategy, the argument you present against the greater imperceptible reality is in fact the coping strategy of modern-day humanity, a strategy to cope with an unpleasant truth. This unpleasant truth is that modern day man has abandoned his ideals and succumbed to the influence of our culture - to cope with his shame we have concocted a story that those who hold fast to the greater reality are in fact the "stupid" ones who are in denial.

What I am describing above is precisely why old people today tend to get dumber and meaner.

I remember Gurdjieff once said that man's original sin is not pride or lust, but suggestibility. I am inclined to agree. As a general rule, children tend to be much more idealistic than adults. Our modern culture would say it is because children are stupid, adults become "smart" and abandon these ideals. But it is culture that seeps in and poisons us.

Our youthful idealism is perhaps our only armor against the vile influence of modern culture, which erodes our perception of anything beyond the cultural fairy tale. When we abandon our ideals then we are dropping our defenses and standing stark naked in front of a raging behemoth. The more one is swallowed up by the fairy tale of modern culture, the less one is able (or willing?) to perceive the greater reality.

Then again, as I've described on here, I've had a great number of paranormal experiences so I would not expect a person who's not had my experiences to share my point of view.

At the same time, in my opinion it is a mistake to think that paranormal experiences create the impression of a greater observing and manipulating reality. Those sort of experiences actually help to facilitate the recognition that this greater reality is actually self-evident to all of us at this moment.

This probably all sounds like gibberish, ah well. Maybe I could compare it to a fish in water. He is pulled out by the fisherman, and when he's dropped back in all of a sudden he says "Holy sh*t, every one of us are actually totally surrounded by water." - The realization of this brings the instant recognition of what "no water" is, as well.

I hope that this did not come across as condescending. There is something crazy going on, and on a grand scale. I personally would like everyone to be aware of this, I don't want to be the condescending guy who says he knows something you don't.

[BrandonD]

I think we should be very careful of spiritual authority claimed as being somehow "beyond" the material world...

If I gave the impression of a sort of moral or "spiritual authority" with anything I've said previously, then I've miscommunicated. The "greater reality" I've been describing is something akin to how the motivations and actions of people mowing their lawn would be inconceivable to the ants in the ant pile in the back yard. There is no element of morality or authoritative coercion, just a large-scale pattern or design that is perceivable, but nevertheless incomprehensible. And it appears that this pattern is in some way interwoven with the secret machinations of human society at the top levels.

Apologies to Jack if I've tried to steer us too far off the intended road. I'm cool with dropping the subject if we've fallen off the woo cliff.

[Hammer of Los]

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I know what I like.

Keep them mowing blades sharp!

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[bluenoseclaret]

Century of Enslavement: The History of The Federal Reserve

corbettreport

"What is the Federal Reserve system? How did it come into existence? Is it part of the federal government? How does it create money? Why is the public kept in the dark about these important matters? In this feature-length documentary film, The Corbett Report explores these important question and pulls back the curtain on America's central bank..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IJeemTQ7Vk

[Wombaticus Rex]

Via: http://www.oftwominds.com/blogfeb14/dol ... e2-14.html

One way to understand the Deep State is to trace the vectors of dependency. The Deep State needs the nation to survive, but the nation does not need the Deep State to survive (despite the groupthink within the Deep State that "we are the only thing keeping this thing together.")

The nation would survive without the Federal Reserve, but the Federal Reserve would not survive without the Deep State. The Fed is not the Deep State; it is merely a tool of the Deep State.

This brings us to the U.S. dollar and the Deep State. The Deep State doesn't really care about the signal noise of the economy--mortgage rates, minimum wages, unemployment, etc., any more that it cares about the political circus ("step right up to the Clinton sideshow, folks") or the bickering over regulations by various camps.

What the Deep State cares about are the U.S. dollar, water, energy, minerals and access to those commodities (alliances, sea lanes, etc.). As I have mentioned before, consider the trade enabled by the reserve currency (the dollar): we print/create money out of thin air and exchange this for oil, commodities, electronics, etc.

If this isn't the greatest trade on Earth--exchanging paper for real stuff-- what is? While I am sympathetic to the strictly financial arguments that predict hyper-inflation and the destruction of the U.S. dollar, they are in effect touching the toe of the elephant.

Sharing this because it strikes me as a more rational analysis of the facts on the ground.

[stillrobertpaulsen]

Via: http://www.oftwominds.com/blogfeb14/dol ... e2-14.html

One way to understand the Deep State is to trace the vectors of dependency. The Deep State needs the nation to survive, but the nation does not need the Deep State to survive (despite the groupthink within the Deep State that "we are the only thing keeping this thing together.")

The nation would survive without the Federal Reserve, but the Federal Reserve would not survive without the Deep State. The Fed is not the Deep State; it is merely a tool of the Deep State.

This brings us to the U.S. dollar and the Deep State. The Deep State doesn't really care about the signal noise of the economy--mortgage rates, minimum wages, unemployment, etc., any more that it cares about the political circus ("step right up to the Clinton sideshow, folks") or the bickering over regulations by various camps.

What the Deep State cares about are the U.S. dollar, water, energy, minerals and access to those commodities (alliances, sea lanes, etc.). As I have mentioned before, consider the trade enabled by the reserve currency (the dollar): we print/create money out of thin air and exchange this for oil, commodities, electronics, etc.

If this isn't the greatest trade on Earth--exchanging paper for real stuff-- what is? While I am sympathetic to the strictly financial arguments that predict hyper-inflation and the destruction of the U.S. dollar, they are in effect touching the toe of the elephant.

Sharing this because it strikes me as a more rational analysis of the facts on the ground.

I agree, great share. Also, the part you bolded stood out for me as well. It always made me a little uneasy whenever there was some "End the Fed!" clamor as though that was the be-all/end-all solution to our political/economic problems. Yes, the Fed should end, but what do you replace it with? The Gilded Age Part Deux?

[American Dream]

I want to offer my support- and thanks- for this thread.

[bluenoseclaret]

Wombaticus Rex

Interesting read about the "Deep State." Thanks.

"...The Fed is not the Deep State; it is merely a tool of the Deep State...."

"..The nation would survive without the Federal Reserve..."

"..There is simply no way the Deep State is going to support policies that would fatally weaken the dollar, or passively watch a subsidiary of the Deep State (the Fed) damage the Deep State itself...."

It reads like a satire piece. I should admire his sense of humour, or not.

I prefer this from the video...

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences. The apex of the system was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basle, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world’s central banks which were themselves private corporations."

Do you bet.?

[Occult Means Hidden]

Central banks are grand when we are talking about the mechanics of the problem. We all bemoan the masses who are "asleep", who if only they "opened their eyes", they too would understand. Then the problem is twofold: one from a hierarchical force, and another from a force that seems to cage individual minds. Propaganda is a war on the mind, and what is spirituality if not deliverance from bonds that have fettered the mind - the great redeemer. If the mind and the soul are the same thing.

[Wombaticus Rex]

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences. The apex of the system was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basle, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world’s central banks which were themselves private corporations."

Do you bet.?

Only when I know the outcomes in advance. Doesn't make for much excitement but it's good money.

Anyways, I don't see why the two perspectives are mutually exclusive, or even vaguely opposed to each other, and I apologize for stating it was such.

From an excellent Visup piece which explores the same tug of war we are discussing here -- and how history can account for multi-polar power struggles that happen on a clandestine battlefield with heavy FUD:

While MacArthur's supporters have long insisted that he only bucked against the restrictions placed upon him by Truman because they hindered his ability to force a quick peace by bluffing with the nuclear card his own comments seem to indicate that he was quite serious about going nuclear. George Mason University's History News Network notes:

"In interviews published posthumously, MacArthur said he had a plan that would have won the war in 10 days: 'I would have dropped 30 or so atomic bombs . . . strung across the neck of Manchuria.' Then he would have introduced half a million Chinese Nationalist troops at the Yalu and then 'spread behind us -- from the Sea of Japan to the Yellow Sea -- a belt of radioactive cobalt . . . it has an active life of between 60 and 120 years. For at least 60 years there could have been no land invasion of Korea from the North.' He was certain that the Russians would have done nothing about this extreme strategy: 'My plan was a cinch.'"

Apparently the Eastern Establishment didn't view dropping over two dozen nukes and turning northern Korea into a nuclear wasteland as a "cinch." This view was surely not driven by any kind of humanitarian concerns, but purely by dollars and cents. The Eastern Establishment was totally committed to the defeat of communism, contrary to the long-standing claims of the conspiratorial right. But they were not willing to embrace any type of policy that would've put their long-term plans (namely, turning the entire world into a free trade zone dominated by transnational corporations) at risk and a possible nuclear war between the United States and the USSR over Korea could have been a major hindrance to such things. Beyond this, they surely were already aware of the economic potentials of mainland China, and were seemingly confident that its market would eventually be reopen to Western interests.

To MacArthur and many of the military men and intelligence personnel who had rallied to him over the years, this was irrefutable evidence that the Eastern Establishment was soft on (f not in league with) Communism. It was unconscionable to them that the US would sell out a staunch anticommunist fighter like Chiang Kai-shek in favor of normalizing relations with the PRC, a maneuver that would continue to divide the overall American Establishment for decades afterwards. MacArthur and Chiang Kai-shek would be at the forefront of this growing opposition both before and after the Second World War.

Via: http://visupview.blogspot.com/2013/09/f ... ty_14.html

Today, the apex of the system is issuing frustrated policy advice to central bankers who consider the BIS to be an anachronism and glibly ignore them. Perhaps that's all kayfabe, too -- and, perhaps not.

Also, I would very much enjoy a JR / OMH dialog re: power structures. Fingers crossed.

[BrandonD]

Via: http://www.oftwominds.com/blogfeb14/dol ... e2-14.html

One way to understand the Deep State is to trace the vectors of dependency. The Deep State needs the nation to survive, but the nation does not need the Deep State to survive (despite the groupthink within the Deep State that "we are the only thing keeping this thing together.")

The nation would survive without the Federal Reserve, but the Federal Reserve would not survive without the Deep State. The Fed is not the Deep State; it is merely a tool of the Deep State.

This brings us to the U.S. dollar and the Deep State. The Deep State doesn't really care about the signal noise of the economy--mortgage rates, minimum wages, unemployment, etc., any more that it cares about the political circus ("step right up to the Clinton sideshow, folks") or the bickering over regulations by various camps.

What the Deep State cares about are the U.S. dollar, water, energy, minerals and access to those commodities (alliances, sea lanes, etc.). As I have mentioned before, consider the trade enabled by the reserve currency (the dollar): we print/create money out of thin air and exchange this for oil, commodities, electronics, etc.

If this isn't the greatest trade on Earth--exchanging paper for real stuff-- what is? While I am sympathetic to the strictly financial arguments that predict hyper-inflation and the destruction of the U.S. dollar, they are in effect touching the toe of the elephant.

Sharing this because it strikes me as a more rational analysis of the facts on the ground.

I recently listened to a 2014 interview with Catherine Austin Fitts and she said essentially exactly what is stated above. She referred to institutions such as the Fed as the "managers", working for the deep state. I'll try to find the video, thanks for the share btw.