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Re: Towards a new RI

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:35 pm

American Dream » Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:32 pm wrote:
seemslikeadream » Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:29 pm wrote:you are WRONG...I regret nothing even you calling me crazy ...I wear it as a badge of honor


Simply saying, "you are WRONG means nothing, if you don't back your argument up with solid reasoning and bonafide facts.



so even if it was not directed at me..which it was cause he has said it numerous times here TO ME.......LOOK IT UP YOURSELF ..it's ok for him to say that ...Mr. Rule Book? It's perfectly fine for your best buddy to break the rules?

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Re: Towards a new RI

Postby JackRiddler » Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:40 pm

Project Willow » Sun Aug 03, 2014 11:26 pm wrote:Jack, would you speak to people with whom you disagree IRL as you do here? Somehow I just can't imagine that.


First of all, I don't speak with everyone with whom I happen to have a disagreement on a given point on RI in the same way. Depends on the disagreement, the history, the subject, and of course any relationship I might have with the person, including in RL.

Second, there are people or personas here who, if they spoke in RL as they do here, I'd have nothing to do with after that, and probably no need to deal with them.

Third, there are personas who push certain lines and assertions over and over even after refutation on fact or logic, perpetually, which they can't do in RL, but which here creates a kind of Sisyphean trap where we're, to take one example out of many, always having to re-prove that the Federal Reserve is owned and basically controlled by the U.S.-registered member banks that it actually serves, and not secretly by a foreign Zionist consortium who planned and waged World War I and want to exterminate the Christians. This is not a conversation I'm built to wage within the formal standards of bourgeois "civility" beyond, maybe, the first time with a given person.

If we sat all the regulars in a room for a few hours most of this (incredibly frustrating perpetual) personal acrimony would disappear. So next time you're about to fire off a nasty to a familiar poster, imagine them sitting there in your living room, drinking a glass of wine.


If I had a living room, ha ha, I can see you and everyone you hang out with in Seattle being invited over for wine, but again, certainly not these personas who haven't been part of the various RI meetings (through which I've met about six of you I guess), and who seem to be here as personas only, with specific missions and subjects in mind.

If someone talked fascist or racist shit, I certainly wouldn't be hanging out with them for hours, or thinking differences between us are all just a matter of seeing each others' perspective, or of communicative misunderstanding and differing styles. (I'd also stay away from someone if they struck me as having the potential for projecting an obsessive persecution complex or other personal fantasies on to arbitrary others whom they will then harrass with baseless grievances about imagined slights.)

As for bluenose, I'd only ever expect to see this as a person in RL at an anti-fascist counter-demonstration. He'd be safely on the other side of the police presence, with his small but tight crew of those who believe things like, "The Jew cries out in pain as he strikes you."

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Re: Towards a new RI

Postby brainpanhandler » Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:41 pm

American Dream » Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:19 pm wrote:Jakell is a more slippery advocate of fascist/racist type ideas- and probably too arrogant about his crypto/third positionist trickery...


If he's that he's toothless. Leave it alone. Report posts you object to to the mods. I would definitely not ban Jakell. If the board cannot withstand what you think you see then we deserve to be overrun. You are being and have been a bit witchhunty AD. Though I will always hold that your intentions are good and you are an ally and not a foe. That much should be plain.

Willow and others are of course right that many things would change if we all met in person, had a few drinks to relax and conversed. but there have been and are a few characters around here I would have no desire to be around. I tend to avoid situations where I might want to punch someone in the fucking face. (and no, that is not directed at you slad).
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Re: Towards a new RI

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:41 pm

American Dream » Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:32 pm wrote:
seemslikeadream » Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:29 pm wrote:you are WRONG...I regret nothing even you calling me crazy ...I wear it as a badge of honor


Simply saying, "you are WRONG" means nothing, if you don't back your argument up with solid reasoning and bonafide facts.





ON EDIT: added quotation mark


it really doesn't matter who it was directed at...they are members of RI and should be afforded the same protection by the rules as everyone here


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and I do have facts...lot's of them as screen shots ...you want to verify them go ahead be my guest
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Re: Towards a new RI

Postby brainpanhandler » Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:47 pm



That you regret the error? Apparently so.
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Re: Towards a new RI

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:48 pm

I am not wrong solace has said those things to me repeatedly over the years here and I can prove it....and he was referring to me in that post or else he would have put the name of the person in it...sly little man that he is

NO REGRETS

why are you responding to a crazy person anyway....in your opinion?
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Re: Towards a new RI

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:53 pm

brainpanhandler » Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:41 pm wrote:
American Dream » Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:19 pm wrote:Jakell is a more slippery advocate of fascist/racist type ideas- and probably too arrogant about his crypto/third positionist trickery...


If he's that he's toothless. Leave it alone. Report posts you object to to the mods. I would definitely not ban Jakell. If the board cannot withstand what you think you see then we deserve to be overrun. You are being and have been a bit witchhunty AD. Though I will always hold that your intentions are good and you are an ally and not a foe. That much should be plain.

Willow and others are of course right that many things would change if we all met in person, had a few drinks to relax and conversed. but there have been and are a few characters around here I would have no desire to be around. I tend to avoid situations where I might want to punch someone in the fucking face. (and no, that is not directed at you slad).



of course not.... you just like to call me crazy and want me banned for it...or do you want me banned for posting too much? :roll:
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Re: Towards a new RI

Postby brainpanhandler » Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:54 pm



For the record: I definitely directed that at you. I don't have to be a psychoanalyst to see that. Canadian Watcher was another example of a deeply neurotic type. Paranoid, persecution complex, probably ptsd, character disorder riddled, nut job. Pin that on your chest.
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Re: Towards a new RI

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:55 pm

brainpanhandler » Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:54 pm wrote:


For the record: I definitely directed that at you. I don't have to be a psychoanalyst to see that. Canadian Watcher was another example of a deeply neurotic type. Paranoid, persecution complex, probably ptsd, character disorder riddled, nut job. Pin that on your chest.



so you are calling me Paranoid, persecution complex, probably ptsd, character disorder riddled, nut job. ?


nice....that's a keeper
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Re: Towards a new RI

Postby JackRiddler » Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:55 pm

brainpanhandler » Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:41 pm wrote:If he's that he's toothless. Leave it alone. Report posts you object to to the mods. I would definitely not ban Jakell. If the board cannot withstand what you think you see then we deserve to be overrun. You are being and have been a bit witchhunty AD. Though I will always hold that your intentions are good and you are an ally and not a foe. That much should be plain.


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Re: Towards a new RI

Postby Iamwhomiam » Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:56 pm

It's a shame. Really, it is. We cannot make RI a better place; but we can all behave better towards each other when commenting.

Looking over this thread I note one of the problems we suffer from repeating is a seeming inability of one poster to take their issues with another to pm. If we care about quality, we should all first try to resolve our differences with whomever it is who raised our hackles. If that seems not to work to your satisfaction, then bring it to the mods via pm. Allow the mods their interaction to actually moderate the argument before bringing it to the board, and redirecting whichever thread completely off-topic.

I would suggest that rather than banning BNS or Jackell for their perceived racism, that they offer their comments in their own RI blog instead of General Discussion. I would suggest the same for frumenschen's single participant threads.

One thing we cannot control is what has been posted until after it's been published. While we can seek to annoy another or demean them, all we can really control is our reactions.

And considering the state of our world, we're all more than a bit frustrated we cannot do more to change it more to our liking. Far too often we are reactionary and allow our emotions to get the better of us, and we let loose a barrage of offensive language meant to inflame or humiliate our target, whether or not we've already won the argument.

I'm an intense person. Born on Halloween, I am a double Scorpio. Although I don't suffer fools well, I will try my best to be kinder. If Ben D and I can rid ourselves of such petty conflicts and insults, anyone can, but only if they want to. (besides, he can't read my muttering lips flapping away as I type)

If we can't blow-off steam here, amongst friends we've read or communicated with for many years, without being forever cast aside as a consequence, well... some tolerance should be considered by mods before taking such an action. Based upon one's record, including their attempts to resolve the matter, mods will take whatever action they deem necessary, as they always have.
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Re: Towards a new RI

Postby solace » Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:05 pm

brainpanhandler » Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:25 pm wrote:


For the record you seem to be compiling and so there is no misunderstanding, that comment was not directed at you, obviously, as can be read here and discerned with little to no effort:

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/view ... =8&t=38255

This was already pointed out to you when you claimed it was directed at you. You would think that since you have already been made aware of that error that if you were going to continue to refer to the Solace quote then you would make sure people understood who it was being directed at. Not providing a link makes it look as though you are intentionally trying to mislead people. but I suppose it was just an honest oversight. I'm sure you regret the error.


I have several people on ignore (first and foremost, slad) so I don't get to see what craziness and paranoid delusions they have unless someone does a quote like this. Of course my quote was directed at bluenoseclaret. Thank you for setting her straight (if that is even possible.)
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Re: Towards a new RI

Postby American Dream » Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:05 pm

brainpanhandler » Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:41 pm wrote:
American Dream » Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:19 pm wrote:Jakell is a more slippery advocate of fascist/racist type ideas- and probably too arrogant about his crypto/third positionist trickery...


If he's that he's toothless. Leave it alone. Report posts you object to to the mods. I would definitely not ban Jakell. If the board cannot withstand what you think you see then we deserve to be overrun. You are being and have been a bit witchhunty AD. Though I will always hold that your intentions are good and you are an ally and not a foe. That much should be plain.

Willow and others are of course right that many things would change if we all met in person, had a few drinks to relax and conversed. but there have been and are a few characters around here I would have no desire to be around. I tend to avoid situations where I might want to punch someone in the fucking face. (and no, that is not directed at you slad).


I wouldn't say that jakell is toothless, though it is true that his skirting to and fro around the edges of what is supposed to be acceptable does at least muzzle him some. I am most concerned about his endless pointing towards full blown hate sites, given that there are a wide varieties of levels of mental balance amongst those that pass through here.

This would be a very good reason why Jeff posted guidelines against sympathetically linking to sites which advocate white pride and that sort of thing- and yet jakell keeps pointing readers exactly in that direction...
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Re: Towards a new RI

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:08 pm

@solace

well then it's ok for you to break rules it just depends on who you are speaking to? And you of course can't blame me for believing you were talking to me because you have called me an fucking anti-semite so many times here I can't store all the screen shots in one place

why didn't name your target at the time? two birds with one stone?

YOUR fault for not inserting the NAME of the person you were referring to defaming ...NOT MY FAULT
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Re: Towards a new RI

Postby jakell » Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:15 pm

Just for the record...

I have not sympathetically linked to any full blown hate sites, and not a single post of mine can be found where I have.
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