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Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Sat Aug 02, 2014 11:29 pm

stefano » Thu Jul 17, 2014 6:32 am wrote:The list looks like bullshit, if you ask me: Anthony Blunt, Cliff Richard and a Sinn Fein member?


And also the leader of a Neo-Nazi extreme-Loyalist crew called the British Movement - Colin Jordan.

Just imagine if him and the Sinn Fein guy had ever met on the stairs...

But if the stories are true, then they might have had something very secret in common - something that could have transcended their political differences.

The Sinn Fein guy was also (almost boringly, at this point) reputed to be an Mi5 asset, who visited the guest house under his codename. That's not coming from Bircher-type sites, but some well-informed folk that... embarassingly... I can't name or link to.

Here's the thing though...

The police have confirmed that Cyril Smith was an attendee at Elm Guest House. That's a certainty now, according to the Met police, so.... eh, well, yeah, i can see the problem there... but as confirmations go, that's as good as we'll ever get.

I thought they had confirmed Anthony Blunt as a visitor too, but that seems not to be the case as yet. Perhaps it never will be the case.
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Postby cptmarginal » Wed Aug 06, 2014 1:40 pm

Two new books:

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http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/j ... lain-sight

The full article is worth reading.

Dan Davies has a lot to get off his chest. I ask one question and the words come flooding out. But then, there are so many words to come out. And he's been ruminating over them for so long. Because, for nearly a decade, Davies has lived with Jimmy Savile. Or at least lived with thoughts of Jimmy Savile, the idea of Jimmy Savile, questions about Jimmy Savile – the most basic being who exactly is Jimmy Savile? He's spent the past decade trying – and, until now, failing – to write a book about him, though his interest in him dates even further back than that.

"It was 1980, and I was nine years old," he says. His mum, for a treat, took him to a recording of Jim'll Fix It. "It was a big deal. It was still the age of three television stations; he was one of the biggest stars in the country. And I just had a really weird, visceral reaction against him. I couldn't really put it into words. But I was creeped out by him." In his teens, he stumbled across a copy of his autobiography, "which was just so dark and weird and odd and posed so many questions about him" that his fascination grew. And, from then on, he found himself collating a "dossier". He just kept on noticing him cropping up. In Andrew Morton's biography of Princess Diana. In the Sun, describing himself as the "Godfather", who "fixed" things. Telling Lynn Barber in an interview for the Independent that getting a knighthood was "a relief", that it got him "off the hook".

Is this not just hindsight talking? "Friends of mine would tell you they were bored of me going on about Jimmy Savile. They would all vouch for that." He became a journalist, and eventually an editor "got fed up with me banging on about him and told me to go and interview him".

That was in 2004. "And that's when I first had the idea for the book. This interview that was meant to last an hour in his house lasted, I don't know, God, it was about seven hours, something like that. It just went on and on and on." He interviewed him again for another profile in 2006. And another profile again in 2008. Shortly after which he – bizarrely – ended up going on the QE2's farewell Mediterranean cruise with him and began researching his biography in earnest. "I saw myself going up the river of his life and hopefully finding out everything on the way and then having a climactic final confrontation with him. I was going to call it Apocalypse Now Then. The implicit awareness was that it was going to be dark, because even in that first meeting there was a real, dark, underlying subtle menace to him."

And then he died?

"Yes. And then he died. I was just… I was really angry. I just felt like I'd wasted so much time. I felt so stupid. I just hadn't got far enough. I hadn't really got to the crux of who he was."


The other book, with somewhat of an aura of bullshit about it, still seems interesting:

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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/pr ... de-3957404

Prince Charles has blasted a former close aide for “betraying” him in an explosive new book.

The Queen’s ex-Press Secretary Dickie Arbiter is set to reveal secrets about Charles’ relationship with Diana and the breakdown of two other royal marriages.

A palace source said: “Charles is furious. This man was a trusted friend.”

For 12 years, Buckingham Palace Press Secretary Arbiter was regarded by Prince Charles as a man he could trust with his deepest secrets.

Every inch the tight-lipped loyal aide, Arbiter stood by him during the bitter breakdown of his marriage to Diana and his affair with Camilla Parker-Bowles.

He was also in office when Diana was killed and witnessed the breakdown of two other royal marriages during his turbulent time in office.

And he watched as the prince formed a close friendship with Jimmy Savile.

Nicknamed Sticky Arbiter, he will claim in his book that he was so close to the Queen they once did the washing up together.

But the 73-year-old is set to hang out the Royal Family’s dirty laundry – and be the first ­Buckingham Palace press officer ever to spill the beans on what he witnessed behind closed doors.

Speculation over what lies inside his upcoming biography has sent shock waves through the regal corridors.

It is understood officials have been taking legal advice in a desperate attempt to halt its publication.

A Palace source said: “He is raking over the breakdown of the marriage and the Prince has been asking aides ‘Why do we have to go through this all again?’

“It is just a case of a man who he thought was a friend and who could be trusted cashing in on the misery of that time. It is disloyal.

“Arbiter has been told that he does not have official permission to write this book and a legal
team has reviewed all his old contracts in a bid to try and find a way to stop it.”

Last night Arbiter admitted he had signed the Official Secrets Act and left a “note” with the palace to say he was writing the book.

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The ex-aide’s book is also said to reveal how Jimmy Savile’s behaviour when he visited Prince Charles’ official home at St James’s Palace was a cause for “concern and suspicion”.

He claims the paedophile used to rub his lips up the arms of the prince’s young female assistants as a greeting.

Savile is understood to have visited Prince Charles’ official London residence several times in the late 1980s when he was acting as a ‘marriage counsellor’ between Charles and Diana.

A spokesman for the Prince of Wales previously confirmed he and Savile formed a friendship in the late 1970s through their work with wheelchair sports charities. Charles led tributes to Savile when he died.

Arbiter once said of Savile: “He would walk into the office and do the rounds of the young ladies doing secretarial work, taking their hands and rubbing his lips all the way up their arms if they were wearing short sleeves.”

Arbiter has ­previously attacked Diana’s former butler Paul Burrell publicly for selling his story about life with the ­Princess.


...but nothing about Paul Kidd, of course.
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Postby cptmarginal » Wed Aug 06, 2014 1:43 pm

http://www.thirdsector.co.uk/jimmy-savi ... le/1306073

Jimmy Savile Charitable Trust continues High Court bid to block compensation scheme

31 July 2014 by Sam Burne James

The trustees of the Jimmy Savile Charitable Trust are continuing their legal bid to block a compensation scheme for the disgraced broadcaster’s victims, because they say it could mean that more money goes to lawyers than to victims.

The trust was set up in 1985 to provide funds for the relief of poverty and sickness, and other charitable purposes, according to its entry on the Charity Commission’s register of charities.

According to its accounts, it was bequeathed the bulk of Savile’s estate, but will not receive this money until the matter of compensation for his victims has been concluded.

In February, the trustees of the charity went to the High Court to attempt to block a compensation scheme put together by the law firm Slater & Gordon, which represents more than 175 of those victims, and to have NatWest removed as the will’s executor.

The charity’s legal bid was rejected, but it applied for leave to appeal again this May.

This permission has now been granted by the High Court. A statement from the two trustees of the charity, prepared by its law firm PWT Advice, said its appeal had two aspects.

"First, we remain concerned by the amount of legal fees that NatWest has incurred (over £0.5m to date)," the statement said. "We are particularly concerned that NatWest’s lawyers took their fees from the estate without having any authority to do so at the time."

The second point, it said, was the fairness of the compensation scheme. "The current scheme gives the claimants’ lawyers an automatic right to claim fees of about £14,000 per claimant, irrespective of the amount the claimant receives," the statement said. "This could mean a claimant receives only a fraction of the amount paid to the lawyers."

This in turns means that more than £2m of the estate could be paid in legal fees, the statement said.

Jimmy Savile’s estate was initially believed to be worth more than £4m after his death in October 2011, but it is now valued at about £3.2m.

"It is our hope that we can protect the value of the estate by our application so that more money is available to pay to those who have proper claims against the estate," the trustees’ statement said. "As charity trustees, we also have an obligation to protect the funds that will go to charity, if there is anything left in the estate after paying the claims."

Jo Summers, a partner at PWT Advice, said: "The appeal will be heard in the Court of Appeal in the next court term, but we haven't got a date fixed yet. We're waiting for the court listing people to give us a date." The next legal term runs from 1 October to 19 December.

No one from Slater & Gordon or NatWest was immediately available for comment.
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Postby cptmarginal » Wed Aug 06, 2014 3:25 pm

Just wanted to add that this review of In Plain Sight posted a few pages back by MacCruiskeen is a good read too. As RocketMan was saying there:

RocketMan » Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:58 pm wrote:
MacCruiskeen » Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:33 pm wrote:In today's Guardian, the playwright David Hare reviews a newly-published biography of Savile:

David Hare on Jimmy Savile: biography of the man who 'groomed a nation'

Dan Davies's In Plain Sight is a revealing life of a celebrity who understood his own depravity


This is bloody brilliant. David Hare's a playwright, right? Great prose, like

Savile does not belong among the amoral heroes of Patricia Highsmith, disposing of people without remorse in a meaningless universe. Rather, he inhabits the driven world of Graham Greene, where the protagonist is in a lurid and sweaty argument with his maker, trying to pile up credit points to balance the final ledger against what he knows full well to be his sins. If the definition of a psychopath is someone who does not understand his own depravity, then Savile is, to the consternation of medical apologists, the very opposite. He always carried the rosary the pope had given him. On his deathbed, he was found with his fingers crossed.


I guess this book will end up in my shelf... Amazing tidbits. Savile seems to have provided endless opportunities to decode him along the years, like:

He defends Broadmoor's inhabitants as "more unlucky than bad", and argues that "There's no point asking about that dark night … when something terrible happened because it wasn't them doing it. It was someone else using their body." When asked if he has been following the Myra Hindley story he replies enigmatically: "I am the Myra Hindley story."


I'm going to have to get a copy of this book too, it sounds like some pretty heavy-duty stuff.
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Postby RocketMan » Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:02 pm

cptmarginal » Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:25 pm wrote:Just wanted to add that this review of In Plain Sight posted a few pages back by MacCruiskeen is a good read too. As RocketMan was saying there:

RocketMan » Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:58 pm wrote:
MacCruiskeen » Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:33 pm wrote:In today's Guardian, the playwright David Hare reviews a newly-published biography of Savile:

David Hare on Jimmy Savile: biography of the man who 'groomed a nation'

Dan Davies's In Plain Sight is a revealing life of a celebrity who understood his own depravity


This is bloody brilliant. David Hare's a playwright, right? Great prose, like

Savile does not belong among the amoral heroes of Patricia Highsmith, disposing of people without remorse in a meaningless universe. Rather, he inhabits the driven world of Graham Greene, where the protagonist is in a lurid and sweaty argument with his maker, trying to pile up credit points to balance the final ledger against what he knows full well to be his sins. If the definition of a psychopath is someone who does not understand his own depravity, then Savile is, to the consternation of medical apologists, the very opposite. He always carried the rosary the pope had given him. On his deathbed, he was found with his fingers crossed.


I guess this book will end up in my shelf... Amazing tidbits. Savile seems to have provided endless opportunities to decode him along the years, like:

He defends Broadmoor's inhabitants as "more unlucky than bad", and argues that "There's no point asking about that dark night … when something terrible happened because it wasn't them doing it. It was someone else using their body." When asked if he has been following the Myra Hindley story he replies enigmatically: "I am the Myra Hindley story."


I'm going to have to get a copy of this book too, it sounds like some pretty heavy-duty stuff.


I got in on Kindle and read it already. It's engrossing stuff. Davies's voice is even and neutral, though he doesn't hold much back, and among the most interesting things in the book is the writer's simultaneous repulsion/affection towards Savile. Davies was convinced since being a teenager that Savile is an evil, sick fuck (lecturing his friends on the subject habitually), and yet he ended up hanging out with him in several settings throughout the years, for long periods of time. He really must have been a master manipulator... at least among those he didn't simply savagely and without any compunction whatsoever abuse.
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Postby semper occultus » Wed Aug 06, 2014 5:40 pm

I haven't had the time to really sit down to consume it yet but this bit of pure Savile WTF**k-ery jumped out ....

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Postby stefano » Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:55 am

Is that the Davies book, semper?
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Postby semper occultus » Thu Aug 07, 2014 3:19 am

...yes...
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Postby stefano » Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:13 am

Wow. Now I'm keen to read it.
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Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Sat Aug 09, 2014 1:55 am

There have been a couple of comments, both on this thread and the "A New RI" one, which suggest - jokingly or otherwise - that Britain is somehow uniquely rife with paedoness.

As if to confirm Chris Morris's satirical designation of these geographical shards we live on as being the "Paedoph Isles."

Just for the record, I would like to state that no parent in Britain ever thought that the one thing their child was missing in terms of entertainment was a bearded Australian guy with a wobble-board who painted rudimentary pictures with a sponge on a stick and sang simplistic songs as if he was in a constant state of near-orgasm.

Nobody here ever asked for that. But the BBC supplied it.

Likewise, no British parent ever thought that the ideal man to host our most popular music show for over twenty years would be an aggressive and bullying polymorphous pervert gangster from the Manchester underworld. But the BBC supplied that too.

We never had a choice in these matters.

Just sayin', for the record.
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I knew you'd come round to our side in the end mate. :lol:
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Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Sat Aug 09, 2014 2:37 am

Saddened to see mention of Sir Nicholas Fairbairn and George Thomas of Tonypandy in relation to these subjects recently.

I've got George Thomas' autobiography - "Mr. Speaker" - right here in the house, and he always struck me in it as a decent, honourable, and fair-minded man, though I suppose that he would naturally portray himself that way in his own autobiography.

A working-class Welsh Methodist who played a very large part in the repeal of workhouse legislation.... one would hope for the best. He does briefly but memorably lament the fact that he never married, though, in a manner which might make even the casual reader's ears erect. FWIW, he also makes a big deal in the book about his support for Israel (this was a long time ago) and his organization of prayer meetings in the Speaker's House to support it through prayer.

Nicholas Fairbairn - that's different. He just liked shagging a lot, as the public record shows. If he crossed lines and caused harm in his endeavours - other than the very obvious case with his mistress - I hope the truth will come out. We used to think he was alright, for a Tory. I stress... for a Tory.
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Postby semper occultus » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:22 am

AhabsOtherLeg » 09 Aug 2014 06:00 wrote:


I knew you'd come round to our side in the end mate. :lol:


...with such...creative...quoting skills Ahab you really were a great loss to that esteemed profession of tabloid hack(er)...yes the Geo. Thomas revelations were particularly a shame.....

.......they certainly pick 'em....I mean christ that Bercow is a weird freakin’ customer ......he links across to the whole Monday Club / Harvey Procter milieu

http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/rambo%E2%80%99-john-bercow-jsoc-and-his-far-right-links

..spent the rest of his career buttock-sucking up to the opposition…then there’s the whole wife thingy....( innocent face ) …well-matched pair aren’t they….?

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…& her then galumphing into what appears a very nefarious …operation….with that whole McAlpine business

…..mark my words Ahab there’s weirdness afoot in that direction I tells ya….

.....I see Private Eye discrediting the “Gilberthorpe” allegations

http://www.private-eye.co.uk/sections.php?section_link=street_of_shame&issue=1372

…..as the board’s greatest and most devoted student of our only lady PM what do you make of these oft told anecdotes about Thatcher’s certain lack of worldliness in matters of a carnal nature & the implication for the full-blown conspiraloon picture being painted that ofcourse neither of us would ever do anything wittingly to propagate….

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His rheumy oyster eyes looked up at me in in total despair. “Just spent an hour with Margaret.”

“Come on, you are Deputy Prime Minister, it goes with the rations.”

“Dear boy, we are in the middle of the AIDS campaign. I had to explain to her what anal sex was.”

Oh, to be a fly on that wall.

The trouble with Margaret was that she had no sense of humour. I remember being with her when she was standing for the leadership.

“Yesterday, I played a round of golf with Willie. He had me at the eighteenth hole.”

Howls of laughter, but utter incomprehension.

And then, in 1979, the splendid Michael Brunson, then political editor of ITN, found her in a hardware store. Clutching a Black and Decker drill in her hand, the immortal words were uttered: “This is the largest tool I have ever had in my hand!”

The crew collapsed, but she was bemused.

And then after the first Iraq war she sat astride a field gun. To the assembled crew she politely asked, “Do you think that this will jerk me off?”


…courtesy of Jerry Hayes who has been running interference on the paedo issue ….does David Irving’s spiel giving Hitler a free pass on the holocaust spring to mind….
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Postby semper occultus » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:43 am

...on the whole BBC culture issue I don't think we ever gave Jonathan Nathan Turner a spell in the stocks....time to rectify that....

Review: The Life and Scandalous Times of John Nathan-Turner / Author: Richard Marson / Publisher: Miwk Publishing / Release Date: May 31st

http://www.starburstmagazine.com/reviews/book-reviews-latest-literary-releases/4775-book-review-the-life-and-scandalous-times-of-john-nathan-turner

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Before 1980 it’s very probable that most casual viewers of Doctor Who didn’t really give the role of producer a great deal of thought. To most of the audience he was just the boring bloke in a suit who sat in an office crunching numbers as the really creative people did the magic out on location or on the studio floor. The arrival of John Nathan-Turner in the producer’s chair in 1980 was nothing if not a revelation; Nathan-Turner was pure showbiz, camp as the proverbial row of tents, invariably decked out in some ghastly tasteless Hawaiian shirt and willing to stop at nothing to make Doctor Who one of the most popular programmes on TV again. The tragedy is that Nathan-Turner loved Doctor Who too much: his reluctance to let go as it floundered through the 1980s ended up trapping him as, ultimately, his BBC paymasters refused to let him go because no one else wanted to sully their hands with the by-now tainted brand the show had become. Nathan-Turner is often described as the man who killed Doctor Who; the awful truth is that Doctor Who killed John Nathan-Turner. By the time the BBC finally washed their hands of the series in 1989, Nathan-Turner, once a dazzling, thrusting, inventive pioneer with an inherent and instinctive knowledge of how to sell and market ‘product’, was an unwanted, embarrassing, washed-up old has-been loathed and resented by his employers. He rarely darkened the BBC’s doors again.

Richard Marson’s extraordinarily frank biography of John Nathan-Turner is a book about the most turbulent and controversial era in the history of Doctor Who and in its pages fans will find many long-standing rumours finally verified, myths debunked and an enormous number of home truths disclosed. This is a book about Doctor Who in as much as the show happens to cross paths with a not-quite-talented-enough middle-tier ambitious behind-the-scenes BBC TV employee who found himself taking on the role of the producer of one of the BBC’s most-popular and, in time, most troubling and troubled dramas. Marson, a writer for the official Doctor Who Magazine in its early days and a former Blue Peter editor, has left no stone unturned in his investigation into Nathan-Turner’s career and what he finds underneath those stones is often appallingly unpleasant and at times downright shocking.

Inevitably it’s Chapter Eight, 'Hanky Panky’ (named after Nathan-Turner’s rebuke to members of the Press who would routinely enquire about the Doctor’s romantic intentions towards his shapely female assistants: “There’ll be no hanky panky in the TARDIS”) which is likely to generate unfortunate headlines in a cold post-Savile TV climate. This is astonishingly raw stuff, detailing how Nathan-Turner (along with his much-reviled partner, one-time Doctor Who production manager Gary Downie) routinely approached and propositioned fanciable young men (generally teenagers just below the then-age of consent) and both used and abused his position as he used and abused his victims. But then maybe ‘abused’ isn’t the right word in this context; those who speak of their experiences in the book largely seemed aware of what they were doing and why they were doing it, although the author’s own recollection of hiding under a table in a darkened BBC office after-hours whilst being stalked by a predatory and determined Downie is the stuff of a cheap horror movie. Marson really has no choice but to ask the inevitable question and ask it he does: Was John Nathan-Turner a paedophile? The conclusion is that he probably wasn’t as there seems to be no evidence of him preying on dangerously young boys and the point is well-made that in today’s climate, where the age of consent is now much lower, his activities might not seem quite so repellent.

But there’s more to Marson’s book than salacious sexual gossip-mongering, even if it’s occasionally hard to engage in the trivia of the making of Doctor Who in the wake of Chapter Eight's hair-raising revelations. Marson has spoken to many of the show’s prime 1980s movers and shakers (including cast members Peter Davison, Colin Baker, Sylvester McCoy, Sophie Aldred, Mark Strickson) and stories of the often-vindictive Nathan-Turner’s spats with his cast – Tom Baker, Anthony Ainley (The Master) and, most shockingly, Nicola Bryant (Peri) – are numerous. Nathan-Turner’s weaknesses are exposed and discussed. He had little feel for (or interest in) narrative and was more concerned with how the show looked ‘front of house,’ and yet his strengths are also self-evident. Often on the backfoot at the BBC, he fought like a dog to keep Doctor Who alive and on the screen when the Corporation itself was slowly turning its back on it. Amidst all the stories of the debauched parties and weekends spent soaked in alcohol, there are tales of the devotion he inspired amongst his true friends, his charming and generous nature and, perhaps most tragically of all, his increasingly hopeless attempts to move away from Doctor Who as he pitched witless series idea after idea to his bosses, only to be swatted aside and told to make more Doctor Who.

The Life and Scandalous Times of John Nathan-Turner is car-crash stuff; you can’t help feeling you shouldn’t be reading it, that it’s opening doors that really should have been kept locked. But the book appeals to the shabby gossip in all of us, especially those who stuck with Doctor Who as its star lost its lustre in the 1980s, and the sleazier stories Marson recounts here really serve to confirm what most of us who were There At The Time had heard on the early-days Doctor Who fan grapevine. But Marson weaves a compelling tale which touches on all those 1980s controversies – Nathan-Turner’s rebranding of the show in 1980, its ‘cancellation’ in 1985, the sacking of Colin Baker, the casting of Bonnie Langford, those last few sad years when no one at the BBC cared. His immaculately researched prose, punctuated by contributions from a genuine and wide-ranging Who’s Who of Nathan-Turner’s colleagues and associates, makes the book a page-turner for all the right reasons; it’s the sort of book you really daren’t put down because you’re terrified at the prospect of what might come next even though you really can’t wait to find out.

Eventually becoming an absolute outcast at the BBC, Nathan-Turner’s last dream had been to make a fresh start abroad, leaving the world of Doctor Who behind by renovating an abandoned theatre in the middle of nowhere in Spain with Downie and staging plays for disenfranchised ex-pats. Sadly there’s no happy ending here. Years of alcohol abuse led to his premature death from organ failure and liver disease in May 2002, aged just 54. The Life and Scandalous Times will undoubtedly be uncomfortable reading for many in this joyous fiftieth anniversary year for Doctor Who (and might well be exposing skeletons the BBC would have preferred kept closeted for now), but its story of the life of one of the show’s most extravagant, passionate, disgraceful and eventually tragic personalities is fascinating, brilliantly told and, in the end, as essential to the completist as any of the more traditional celebratory volumes we can expect to see hitting the bookshelves this year. By any standards, this is a quite remarkable book.


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Postby Col. Quisp » Sun Aug 10, 2014 1:32 pm

MayDay » Mon Jul 14, 2014 9:03 pm wrote:I feel that this is the creepiest, and perhaps the most important RI thread to date. As mIsinformed and cheesy as i found the "was jimmy a wizard" YouTube video to be, I still think it's worth a watch. If the question is "was Savile some sort of high wizard to the (theoretical) elite dark lodge occult network operating at the highest levels of uk/ European society? ", I think the answer is a blatant yes. He was some kind of dark Lord to a certain faction of the western elite, near as I can tell. I fear that further investigation into this subject could bring negative repercussions to many of us. I don't mean to be an alarmist, but this is big. Perhaps the biggest thing we've ever taken on at RI. Take care!


I just watched it last night - I agree that it's worth watching although a bit cheesy. I was intrigued by the notion that Savile is either King Solomon, the roman god Saturn, or master of the Djinn (DJ, get it?). I also found the ley-line analysis intriguing - but I'm not sure if it would be easy enough to fit anything in Great Britain on a ley line! anyway, I found this:
During our recent film ‘Was Jimmy Savile A Wizard?‘ we discussed Savile’s catch-phrases and rhetorical devices.

Jimmy Savile had many catch-phrases, or as we have deciphered them, magickal incantations. These were then repeated by millions across the land thus enhancing their power. Savile the Magician dripped in gold jewellery. His chains and bracelets made a ‘jingle jangle’ sound. Words that are spelt to phonetically imitate the sound of that which they are describing are known as ‘onomatopoeias’.

Let’s take a look at the phrase ‘Jingle Jangle‘.

In the photo above Savile appears to be commanding feminine energies by forming a ‘mudra’ or OK sign with his right hand and the phallus cigar-wand he holds in his left hand commands male energies. His trick probably results in a third type of energy – a combination of the marriage between the mudra and the cigar-wand. This same concept of male-female energies resonating with each other to create a third ‘Horus’ energy can be seen in architecture around the world with the placing of ‘obelisks’ and ‘domes’ within close proximity to each other. We have collected examples of this from around the world in earlier posts.

The letter ‘J’ is sometimes pronounced with a ‘y’ sound so the two letters are interchangeable in certain contexts. So ‘Jingle Jangle‘ can be pronounced ‘Yingle Yangle’.

In Chinese philosophy ‘Yin and Yang’ describes the interconnectedness of opposite or contrary forces.

Breaking the words down a stage further we discover the letter ‘g’ followed by the letters ‘l’ and ‘e’ or ‘el’ spelt backwards. The letter ‘G’ is symbolic of ‘God’ or the Milky Way galaxy and ‘El’ is representative of Saturn or Satan.

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The Arabic word ‘Jinn’ comes from the Arabic root ‘g-n-n’ which means ‘hide, conceal’. ‘Jinn’ means ‘those who are concealed’. It is the name given to a group of spirits who are said to cohabit Earth alongside Humans, but in another realm. The singular term is ‘Jinni’. The French translator of ‘The Book of One Thousand and One Nights’ used the word ‘Génie’ for the Arabic word ‘Jinni’ because he felt it was so similar in meaning and sound.

‘ “Jingle Jangle you see – I’m in charge“..And he was’

Mike Read on Jimmy Savile
Jinns kept captive in the gold rings of the magician Savile?

Jinns kept captive in the gold rings of the magician Savile? Courtesy of trafficker from Icke Forums

The djinn like to roam the deserts and wilderness and inhabit caves. They are usually invisible, but have the power to shape-shift to any form, be it insect, animal, human, or entity. They have long been regarded as malicious and dangerous, capable of bringing bad luck, illness, disaster and death. Even when granting favors, they have a trickster nature and can twist events for the worse.

Though the djinn can be conjured in magical rites, they are difficult to control. One individual said to have complete power over the djinn was the legendary Biblical King Solomon. God gave Solomon a copper and iron magic ring that enabled him to subdue djinn, and which protected him from their powers. In some accounts, the ring was inscribed with a pentacle, and in other accounts it was set with a gem, probably a diamond, that had a living force of its own. With the ring, Solomon branded the necks of the djinn as his slaves and set them to working building the first Temple of Jerusalem and even the entire city of Jerusalem.

One story tells that a jealous djinni (sometimes identified as Asmodeus) stole Solomon’s ring while he bathed in the river Jordan. The djinni seated himself on the king’s throne at his palace and reigned over his kingdom, forcing Solomon to become a wanderer. God compelled the djinni to throw the ring into the sea. Solomon retrieved it, and punished the djinni by imprisoning him in a bottle.

Djinn are magical beings. Whereas most mortals were formed by the Creator from earth mixed with other elements, Djinn were formed from smoke and fire.In the distant past, the different tribes of Djinn had a lot of interaction with mortals. In some terminologies Demons also referenced towards Djinns.Unlike Djinn, Angels are not. Creature of free will and strictly obeys the commands of God.Djinn are also called Genies.Jinn; Jinnat.

The control rituals that are performed are done for a variety of different reasons, and certain rituals are designed to summon different beings in it. People have been fascinated by the practice, and all of the beliefs that are part of the rituals. There are powerful beings that are considered to be demons, genies and djinn and each of the classes and groups of the beings within it are able to have different powers and abilities that can be summoned using the different rituals that are performed. The beings that are considered to be a part of Djinn can be powerful and it takes professionals who know what they are able to do to help summon them with the process of the rituals that are done. There is lot of great information available online about the different kinds of the Djinn, the practices that are done and the rituals that are performed.

Ring of the Djinn

King Solomon supposedly bound 72 djinn to his own magick ring of copper and iron through the use of secret geometry.

However, Solomon was not the first to bind djinn into their service; the worldsingers had learned the secret of doing so long before. In fact, many of those djinn that served the forces of light and darkness during the Great Wars had been bound against their will into service by powerful mages. Today there are still slaves of the lamps and slaves of the rings, as djinn call the enslaved members of their own race.

Their elemental form is that of a cloud of smoke. They tend to be treacherous, deceptive, hedonistic, power-hungry, greedy, and manipulative.

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The ghul are nocturnal creatures who inhabit graveyards, ruins and other lonely places. Sometimes they are described as dead humans who sleep for long periods in secret graves, then awake, rise and feast on both the living and the dead. Ghul also personify the unknown terrors held by the desert.

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The marid is unruly and rebellious, and the most powerful of djinn. The marida (plural) possess great knowledge of magic and have assisted kings and priests. They are also known as “blue” djinn and are the ones most often associated with wish-granting genies. jim’ll fix it?

The shaitan (shaytan (satan)) is a rebellious, malevolent djinni associated with demonic forces.

The si’lat are expert shape-shifters and the smartest of the djinn. They can mimic human appearance with ease.


This is sort of WOO-ish - Top of the Pops set list:
Thursday 4th January 1973

BBC1 Top Of The Pops 6:45 - 7:15 pm

Host: Jimmy Savile

[b]David Bowie The Jean Genie[/b]
Jimmy Osmond Long Haired Lover From Liverpool (repeat)
Cat Stevens Can't Keep It In (disc)
Carly Simon You're So Vain (disc)
New Seekers Come Softly To Me (promo)
Status Quo Paper Plane
Lieutenant Pigeon Desperate Dan
T.Rex Solid Gold Easy Action (repeat)
The New Seekers Come Softly To Me (film clip)
Wings C Moon (film clip)
Wizzard Ball Park Incident (disc)
BBC2 In Concert 10:45 - 11:15 pm
Chuck Berry, Rocking Horse



"Jean Genie" is said to be a pun on Jean Genet. It is the title song on "Aladdin Sane." It has a ritualistic, hypnotic sounding beat, advising you to "let yourself go."

Image.


The Jean Genie lives on his back
The Jean Genie loves chimney stacks
(The Jean Genie) he's outrageous, he screams and he bawls
The Jean Genie, let yourself go

{Bridge}

Sits like a man, but he smiles like a reptile
She loves him, she loves him, but just for a short while
She'll scratch in the sand, won't let go his hand
He says he's a beautician and sells you nutrition
And keeps all your dead hair for making up underwear
Poor little Greenie




Comment: Bowie throws in a harmonica homage to "Love me Do" near the end.
Also, is the "poor little Greenie" a reference to Savile being an alien, or a reptilian...or a goblin? (Greenie is a type of goblin in British folklore. It's also a Scottish bird.
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