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coffin_dodger » Fri Aug 08, 2014 5:37 pm wrote:Mac - what are the benefits for Scotland if devolution takes place?
coffin_dodger » Fri Aug 08, 2014 5:37 pm wrote:The real benefits, not politician blurb and hollow promises.
coffin_dodger » Fri Aug 08, 2014 5:37 pm wrote:distancing yourselves from a dying Empirical liability of which Scotland enjoyed the benefits
coffin_dodger » Fri Aug 08, 2014 5:37 pm wrote:securing an energy supply for yourselves, that, in a crisis, the English would walk in and take forcibly if they really needed it
coffin_dodger » Fri Aug 08, 2014 5:37 pm wrote:closer ties to an increasingly disunified Europe - on the verge of disintegration and possible internal conflict
coffin_dodger » Fri Aug 08, 2014 5:37 pm wrote:I understand completely how awful the English are, but what is it that makes the alternatives so much better?
Sorry for jumping in there coffin_dodger, I cannae help masel.
C-SPAN - Scottish Independence Debate
August 25, 2014
Scottish Indpendence Debate
Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond and pro-UK campaign leader Alistair Darling debated an independence referendum that would end Scotland’s 305-year-old political union with England. Scotland was to vote on the referendum on September 18, 2014.
Courtesy of BBC Scotland.
RT
#Patronising: Sexist anti-Scottish independence ad sparks angry backlash
Published time: August 28, 2014
An online video depicting a timid housewife fretting about the dangers of Scottish independence has roused sharp criticism in the UK and beyond for its inherently sexist and “patronizing” overtones.
The woman who made up her mind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLAewTVmkAU
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Former British Ambassador to Uzbekistan Says UK Rogue State, Danger to World
ST ANDREWS, (SCOTLAND), August 28 (RIA Novosti) Mark Hirst – The United Kingdom as a rogue state and a danger to the world, a former British Ambassador to Uzbekistan Craig Murray said.
“The British Government is deeply, deeply immoral. They don’t care how many people they kill abroad if it advances them. Anybody who votes No [to Scottish independence] is voting to support a pathological state which is a danger in the world, a rogue state and a state prepared to go to war to make a few people wealthy,” Murray said in a speech made ahead of an historic vote on Scottish independence to be held in just three weeks.
He told an open public meeting in St Andrews that the actions he witnesses as a senior diplomat had changed his “world view” and said it was now “impossible to be proud of the United Kingdom.”
“I think it is impossible to be proud of the United Kingdom. I think when we invaded Iraq we did to the United Nations what Hitler and Mussolini did to the League of Nations,” Murray added. “I think what we have done since where the truth is often much hidden, if you look at Libya it is a disaster now we bombed it and we killed 15,000 people when NATO bombed Sirte, something they never told you on the BBC. Did we make it better? No,” a diplomat stated.
“I’ve seen things from the inside and the UK’s foreign interventions are almost always about resources. It is every bit as corrupt as others have indicated. It is not an academic construct, the system stinks,” a former British Ambassador said.
Murray, who is a member of “English for independence” a group of English born residents living in Scotland who back Scottish independence, said that although he had once been proud to be British, the UK’s involvement in rendition, torture and the invasion of Iraq had altered his allegiance.
“I was a British diplomat for 20 years. I was always very patriotic to be British and I was very, very proud of it,” he stated.
“When I first became a British Ambassador and first went out in my own flag car with the Union Jack flying on the front I had a lump in my throat. It was a proud moment for me. It was only six months after that I discovered that in the country where I was Ambassador we and the Americans were shipping people in order for them to be tortured. Some of them were tortured to death,” Murray added.
“Now as you may imagine, my world view changed,” he added.
“It was at the same time, a month later, that we invaded Iraq against the will of the Security Council. Not just without the permission of the Security Council but in the full knowledge that if it had gone to the Security Council we would have been voted down,” the former diplomat said.
“I know for certain - as I used to be head of the Foreign and Commonwealth Office unit that monitored Iraqi weapons of mass destruction - I know for certain that they knew there weren’t any. It wasn’t a mistake, it was a lie,” Murray concluded.
Former Secretary General of NATO, Lord George Robertson earlier warned Scottish independence would have a “cataclysmic” impact on the world.
Robertson, a former British MP, told an audience in the United States, that “the loudest cheers for the break-up of Britain would be from our adversaries and from our enemies. For the second military power in the West to shatter this year would be cataclysmic in geopolitical terms.”
Voters in Scotland will go to the polls on 18th September and will be asked one question, “Should Scotland become an independent country?”
coffin_dodger » Sat Aug 09, 2014 5:44 am wrote:I can't help but think you'll replace one set of crony psychos with another.
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