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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby 8bitagent » Wed Oct 15, 2014 2:06 am

82_28 » Tue Oct 14, 2014 2:15 pm wrote:The thing is, is that the .gov and .mil were "serious" about this "rag tag" group they would and could have just destroyed their convoys easily at the outset. Yet they let it "fester". In 2003 the tone was removing Hussein and "WMD".

Don't you think (I've always thought) that they floated the WMD thing in order to not be found in order to create a false scenario? I always wondered why they wouldn't have faked it at least. By not "finding" WMDs it gave both credence to the both the pro-bombardment, occupation and US terror campaign upon a society and the anti-war people. It was getting your cake and eating it too. Double-bind.

Now of course, it's all about something, a force that must be explained to us in these shadowy terms with the much, much more robust CT "community" that exists now on both the right and left. Something tells me they have social engineers who know exactly which media triggers to apply to affect various cultures and as we can see, subcultures insofar as having westerners among ISIS.

Remember when you first were aghast of "homeland security", "PATRIOT", Total Information Awareness, WMDs, "evil doers", "improvised explosive device", "heroes", commercials/ads showing proud and brave amputees, mercenaries? Now it's all just fucking normal. I knew it would turn out like this. The next series in the same saga.


I agree. I mean they had to have known no WMD's at all would be found, fairly quickly I may add.
And yeah, we're lead to believe the NSA and CIA with all their "intel"/humint, and the Pentagon were caught off guard? When freaking VICE did a documentary on ISIS over a year ago and their plans to advance?
It's almost as if the plan was to *intentionally* let ISIS take over large swaths of Syria and Iraq. And then do these little pin prick airstrikes...let them take most of Iraq and half of syria, and then say "ok, well now we really need ground troops".

Mass convoys of black ninja guys in tanks and toyotas on the open desert taking over town after town, massacring thousands of people...but it took an alleged beheading video to make Obama and the leadership go "oh yeah, we gotta do something".

Today Turkey Fighter jets unleashed their power...not on ISIS, but on Kurdish rebels. go figure. Now we can see the narrative...appealing to the anti war/tired of war left and moderate right, Obama sticks firm to not really committing to Iraq(which Fox will remind us every night of how much blood and treasure was spilt) and now Syria so ISIS can create the right wings nightmare of "THE CALIPHATE"(tm).

It almost seems the mere function of ISIS is a plot by powers unknown to draw everyone into a theater and new normal for some next level situation. Meaning ISIS is merely the gateway.
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:42 am

8bitagent » Wed Oct 15, 2014 1:06 am wrote:It almost seems the mere function of ISIS is a plot by powers unknown


Obligatory Reminder That Despite The Admittedly Awesome Rhetorical Flourish, Those Powers Are Not Unknown.

You yourself have done excellent work here over recent years tracing the lineage and ligaments of the "nexus of global power." Fascism is boring. Security through obscurity. Hiding in plain sight.

https://wikispooks.com/ISGP/

Speaking of, new piece up which is...timely: https://wikispooks.com/ISGP/miscellaneo ... M_cult.htm

But, as this article will demonstrate, these alternative shows are part of what amounts to a cult. All kinds of peculiar people with even more peculiar ideas are allowed on the air. They support each other, fight amongst each other, but outsiders are unable to join the conversation. My 2007 Dutroux article, which took 1.5 years to finish, is a good example of this. Despite having been published earlier and despite unique documentation that seriously implicated a former Bilderberg chairman, other leading internationalists, and CIA-backed fascist aristocrats in child abuse networks, it was ignored in EVERY conspiracy corner on the internet. Worried about my own safety, especially in terms of getting sued before the information could spread, I gave Alex Jones and Paul Joseph Watson a $500 "bribe" to post my article as a news item on the front page of Prisonplanet/Infowars for two days. All of a sudden Rense and other conspiracy sites did pick up the article, although they unfortunately did have a tendency to include the word "Illuminati" in their own headings. After that article, the gates were closed forever. I did offer to pay $200 for the publication of my very unique 2008 Pilgrims Society article, which theoretically would be of incredible interest to anything from Alex Jones and Jeff Rense to the John Birch Society, but nobody would touch it. Only Alex Jones would, as a commercial, which obviously didn't produce any links.
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby Pele'sDaughter » Wed Oct 15, 2014 10:06 am

And look what pops up.

http://www.businessinsider.com/us-chemi ... aq-2014-10

US Troops Found Huge Caches Of Chemical Weapons In Iraq — And The Pentagon Tried To Keep It A Secret

Numerous US troops found and were exposed to chemical weapons while serving in Iraq after the 2003 invasion of the country, and they were plagued by not only the terrible after effects, but substandard medical care and little recognition after the military attempted to keep the discovery of the munitions a secret.

In a long expose highlighting the "secret U.S. casualties" posted Tuesday evening at The New York Times, journalist C.J. Chivers brings to light what has been suppressed for years by military officials. Between 2004 and 2010, according to the Times, soldiers found thousands of rusty, corroded chemical munitions throughout Iraq, though all were manufactured before 1991.

“I love it when I hear, ‘Oh there weren’t any chemical weapons in Iraq,’ ” former Army Sgt. Jarrod L. Taylor told Chivers. “There were plenty.”

In the run-up to the Iraq war in March 2003, the Bush administration made the case that Saddam Hussein was actively working to build and obtain weapons of mass destruction. These included claims of building biological weapons, chemical weapons, and nuclear weapons. The Times report, while revealing that Hussein did in fact have chemical munitions, notes that all were made before the 1991 Gulf War, and quite embarrassingly, often with US help.

Chivers writes:

In case after case, participants said, analysis of these warheads and shells reaffirmed intelligence failures. First, the American government did not find what it had been looking for at the war’s outset, then it failed to prepare its troops and medical corps for the aged weapons it did find.

In many of the cases Chivers highlights, explosive ordnance disposal personnel — believing they were dealing with old artillery or mortar shells on a roadside used as improvised explosive devices (IED) — disarmed them and sometimes put them in their trucks, being exposed to leaking chemicals such as mustard and sarin.

“This is mustard agent,” Staff Sgt. Eric J. Duling told his men over the radio, according to Chivers. “We’ve all been exposed.”

The soldiers at the blast crater sensed something was wrong.

From 2004 to 2011, American and Iraqi troops repeatedly encountered, and at times were wounded by, chemical weapons that were hidden or abandoned years earlier.

It was August 2008 near Taji, Iraq. They had just exploded a stack of old Iraqi artillery shells buried beside a murky lake. The blast, part of an effort to destroy munitions that could be used in makeshift bombs, uncovered more shells.

Two technicians assigned to dispose of munitions stepped into the hole. Lake water seeped in. One of them, Specialist Andrew T. Goldman, noticed a pungent odor, something, he said, he had never smelled before.

He lifted a shell. Oily paste oozed from a crack. “That doesn’t look like pond water,” said his team leader, Staff Sgt. Eric J. Duling.

The specialist swabbed the shell with chemical detection paper. It turned red — indicating sulfur mustard, the chemical warfare agent designed to burn a victim’s airway, skin and eyes.

All three men recall an awkward pause. Then Sergeant Duling gave an order: “Get the hell out.”

Five years after President George W. Bush sent troops into Iraq, these soldiers had entered an expansive but largely secret chapter of America’s long and bitter involvement in Iraq.

From 2004 to 2011, American and American-trained Iraqi troops repeatedly encountered, and on at least six occasions were wounded by, chemical weapons remaining from years earlier in Saddam Hussein’s rule.

In all, American troops secretly reported finding roughly 5,000 chemical warheads, shells or aviation bombs, according to interviews with dozens of participants, Iraqi and American officials, and heavily redacted intelligence documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act.

The United States had gone to war declaring it must destroy an active weapons of mass destruction program. Instead, American troops gradually found and ultimately suffered from the remnants of long-abandoned programs, built in close collaboration with the West.

The New York Times found 17 American service members and seven Iraqi police officers who were exposed to nerve or mustard agents after 2003. American officials said that the actual tally of exposed troops was slightly higher, but that the government’s official count was classified.

The secrecy fit a pattern. Since the outset of the war, the scale of the United States’ encounters with chemical weapons in Iraq was neither publicly shared nor widely circulated within the military. These encounters carry worrisome implications now that the Islamic State, a Qaeda splinter group, controls much of the territory where the weapons were found.

The American government withheld word about its discoveries even from troops it sent into harm’s way and from military doctors. The government’s secrecy, victims and participants said, prevented troops in some of the war’s most dangerous jobs from receiving proper medical care and official recognition of their wounds.

“I felt more like a guinea pig than a wounded soldier,” said a former Army sergeant who suffered mustard burns in 2007 and was denied hospital treatment and medical evacuation to the United States despite requests from his commander.

Congress, too, was only partly informed, while troops and officers were instructed to be silent or give deceptive accounts of what they had found. “ 'Nothing of significance’ is what I was ordered to say,” said Jarrod Lampier, a recently retired Army major who was present for the largest chemical weapons discovery of the war: more than 2,400 nerve-agent rockets unearthed in 2006 at a former Republican Guard compound.

Jarrod L. Taylor, a former Army sergeant on hand for the destruction of mustard shells that burned two soldiers in his infantry company, joked of “wounds that never happened” from “that stuff that didn’t exist.” The public, he said, was misled for a decade. “I love it when I hear, ‘Oh there weren’t any chemical weapons in Iraq,’ ” he said. “There were plenty.”

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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby elfismiles » Wed Oct 15, 2014 10:28 am

Here ya go ...

Chemical Weapons Found in Iraq- Surprise they were ours
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82_28 » 14 Oct 2014 19:15 wrote:The thing is, is that the .gov and .mil were "serious" about this "rag tag" group they would and could have just destroyed their convoys easily at the outset. Yet they let it "fester". In 2003 the tone was removing Hussein and "WMD".

Don't you think (I've always thought) that they floated the WMD thing in order to not be found in order to create a false scenario? I always wondered why they wouldn't have faked it at least. By not "finding" WMDs it gave both credence to the both the pro-bombardment, occupation and US terror campaign upon a society and the anti-war people. It was getting your cake and eating it too. Double-bind.

Now of course, it's all about something, a force that must be explained to us in these shadowy terms with the much, much more robust CT "community" that exists now on both the right and left. Something tells me they have social engineers who know exactly which media triggers to apply to affect various cultures and as we can see, subcultures insofar as having westerners among ISIS.

Remember when you first were aghast of "homeland security", "PATRIOT", Total Information Awareness, WMDs, "evil doers", "improvised explosive device", "heroes", commercials/ads showing proud and brave amputees, mercenaries? Now it's all just fucking normal. I knew it would turn out like this. The next series in the same saga.
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby 8bitagent » Wed Oct 15, 2014 3:25 pm

ISIS using US made Saddam chemical weapons secretly covered up during the "hunt for WMDs" would definitely be a sad ironic ba dum tsh if found to be true.

Wombaticus Rex » Wed Oct 15, 2014 6:42 am wrote:
8bitagent » Wed Oct 15, 2014 1:06 am wrote:It almost seems the mere function of ISIS is a plot by powers unknown


Obligatory Reminder That Despite The Admittedly Awesome Rhetorical Flourish, Those Powers Are Not Unknown.

You yourself have done excellent work here over recent years tracing the lineage and ligaments of the "nexus of global power." Fascism is boring. Security through obscurity. Hiding in plain sight.

https://wikispooks.com/ISGP/

Speaking of, new piece up which is...timely: https://wikispooks.com/ISGP/miscellaneo ... M_cult.htm

But, as this article will demonstrate, these alternative shows are part of what amounts to a cult. All kinds of peculiar people with even more peculiar ideas are allowed on the air. They support each other, fight amongst each other, but outsiders are unable to join the conversation. My 2007 Dutroux article, which took 1.5 years to finish, is a good example of this. Despite having been published earlier and despite unique documentation that seriously implicated a former Bilderberg chairman, other leading internationalists, and CIA-backed fascist aristocrats in child abuse networks, it was ignored in EVERY conspiracy corner on the internet. Worried about my own safety, especially in terms of getting sued before the information could spread, I gave Alex Jones and Paul Joseph Watson a $500 "bribe" to post my article as a news item on the front page of Prisonplanet/Infowars for two days. All of a sudden Rense and other conspiracy sites did pick up the article, although they unfortunately did have a tendency to include the word "Illuminati" in their own headings. After that article, the gates were closed forever. I did offer to pay $200 for the publication of my very unique 2008 Pilgrims Society article, which theoretically would be of incredible interest to anything from Alex Jones and Jeff Rense to the John Birch Society, but nobody would touch it. Only Alex Jones would, as a commercial, which obviously didn't produce any links.


Wording faux paus! I meant to say by reasons unknown, or not clear. The players may be clear geo-politically, but I still can't make heads or tails what it's truly about. Permanent Balkanization of Iraq? Given Turkey seems to want to see all Kurds massacred and the US threw them under the bus, hard to see how an independent Kurdistan could be part of the agenda. Perhaps a honey trap to get all these nations into a large desert area to get a wider conflict going or open them up for an attack? The clear one I hear floated is a trojan backdoor toward removing Assad. But then why do anything about the Islamic State who seem to be the biggest threat to Assad.

It's interesting to note Israel shot down a Syrian fighter jet pounding al Nursra targets and Turkey is using fighter jets against Kurdish rebels. Yet nos take in attacking ISIS positions.
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby Lord Balto » Wed Oct 15, 2014 4:00 pm

My take on Isis, the organization, not the goddess, is that we should have left Saddam Hussein, Qaddafi, and now Assad alone. These guys may be nasty human beings with no regard for human rights, but at least they are secular--and not a bunch of religious lunatics who take their cue from the armies of Omar who spread Islam at the point of a sword.
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby Belligerent Savant » Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:40 pm

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Agreed. Though -- ('preaching to the choir') -- such decisions are clearly not made with the interests of the majority in mind. There was a strategic/tactical angle to the removal of each figurehead, purposefully putting into play/launching the series of events that followed/will follow (and of course some unintended consequences -- both positive and negative -- as well).
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby Lord Balto » Wed Oct 15, 2014 9:42 pm

Belligerent Savant » Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:40 pm wrote:.
Agreed. Though -- ('preaching to the choir') -- such decisions are clearly not made with the interests of the majority in mind. There was a strategic/tactical angle to the removal of each figurehead, purposefully putting into play/launching the series of events that followed/will follow (and of course some unintended consequences -- both positive and negative -- as well).


What boggles my mind is that these decisions are not even made in the long term interests of the minority. They are made in the interest of some short-term gain that rarely even works out the way they thought it would. I still remember working with the son of a vice president in a defense plant who would cream in his jeans every time he contemplated the overthrow of the Syrian regime, as if we were playing some kind of board game. These folks are so blind that making a short-term profit off of arms manufacture obscures even the slightest understanding of what the true consequences will be. Even as they find themselves walking through a field of radioactive ash or drinking poisoned water from fracking wells or fighting the proles who have finally had enough and are thirsting for blood, they will not understand how Newton's 3rd law applies to politics as well as it applies to physics, and how they have essentially done themselves in by trying to make things happen.
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby Belligerent Savant » Wed Oct 15, 2014 11:12 pm

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Yes, there are examples of a larger pool of carbon blobs that obtain short-term monetary gain peripherally, as a consequence of actions perpetrated by those that cannot be named or readily identified.

The beasts I had in mind however operate on a long-term gampeplan, where regional hegemony, 'information management', concentration of increasingly scarce resources and barely-conceivable levels of wealth come into play.
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby Tyler Rabbit » Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:30 am

Wombaticus Rex » Wed Oct 15, 2014 4:42 am wrote:
8bitagent » Wed Oct 15, 2014 1:06 am wrote:It almost seems the mere function of ISIS is a plot by powers unknown


Obligatory Reminder That Despite The Admittedly Awesome Rhetorical Flourish, Those Powers Are Not Unknown.

You yourself have done excellent work here over recent years tracing the lineage and ligaments of the "nexus of global power." Fascism is boring. Security through obscurity. Hiding in plain sight.

https://wikispooks.com/ISGP/

Speaking of, new piece up which is...timely: https://wikispooks.com/ISGP/miscellaneo ... M_cult.htm

But, as this article will demonstrate, these alternative shows are part of what amounts to a cult. All kinds of peculiar people with even more peculiar ideas are allowed on the air. They support each other, fight amongst each other, but outsiders are unable to join the conversation. My 2007 Dutroux article, which took 1.5 years to finish, is a good example of this. Despite having been published earlier and despite unique documentation that seriously implicated a former Bilderberg chairman, other leading internationalists, and CIA-backed fascist aristocrats in child abuse networks, it was ignored in EVERY conspiracy corner on the internet. Worried about my own safety, especially in terms of getting sued before the information could spread, I gave Alex Jones and Paul Joseph Watson a $500 "bribe" to post my article as a news item on the front page of Prisonplanet/Infowars for two days. All of a sudden Rense and other conspiracy sites did pick up the article, although they unfortunately did have a tendency to include the word "Illuminati" in their own headings. After that article, the gates were closed forever. I did offer to pay $200 for the publication of my very unique 2008 Pilgrims Society article, which theoretically would be of incredible interest to anything from Alex Jones and Jeff Rense to the John Birch Society, but nobody would touch it. Only Alex Jones would, as a commercial, which obviously didn't produce any links.


That chart https://wikispooks.com/ISGP/miscellaneo ... M_cult.htm is totally off the charts..
I actually just read his Dutroux article in its entirety a few days ago. Knew a little, but had always been more interested in US/Canadian stories of similar nature.. Pretty mind blowing to say the least. But I drift..

Have been following most of the ISIS threads here.. Used to follow Mid East politics and conflicts closer, but it's become so incredibly fucking confusing I can't make heads or tails anymore- pus it tends to get me pretty worked up... So I ask this, not necessarily as a departure point for a debate, but out of true curiosity- and frankly desperation: am I correct that there are sorta two forming theories here which may or may not overlap? 1. ISIS and the whole clusterfuck are US engineered to attain some murky goal. and/or 2. A small and extremely sadistic elite group is moving pieces on a chessboard to bring about what Order of the 9 Angles would refer to as Aeonic Change, that is the achievement of, in this case, the multi generational goal of bringing about chaos, destruction, and human suffering.
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:38 am

I blame these guys

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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-25299553
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby 8bitagent » Thu Oct 16, 2014 7:11 am

Tyler Rabbit » Thu Oct 16, 2014 3:30 am wrote:
Wombaticus Rex » Wed Oct 15, 2014 4:42 am wrote:
8bitagent » Wed Oct 15, 2014 1:06 am wrote:It almost seems the mere function of ISIS is a plot by powers unknown


Obligatory Reminder That Despite The Admittedly Awesome Rhetorical Flourish, Those Powers Are Not Unknown.

You yourself have done excellent work here over recent years tracing the lineage and ligaments of the "nexus of global power." Fascism is boring. Security through obscurity. Hiding in plain sight.

https://wikispooks.com/ISGP/

Speaking of, new piece up which is...timely: https://wikispooks.com/ISGP/miscellaneo ... M_cult.htm

But, as this article will demonstrate, these alternative shows are part of what amounts to a cult. All kinds of peculiar people with even more peculiar ideas are allowed on the air. They support each other, fight amongst each other, but outsiders are unable to join the conversation. My 2007 Dutroux article, which took 1.5 years to finish, is a good example of this. Despite having been published earlier and despite unique documentation that seriously implicated a former Bilderberg chairman, other leading internationalists, and CIA-backed fascist aristocrats in child abuse networks, it was ignored in EVERY conspiracy corner on the internet. Worried about my own safety, especially in terms of getting sued before the information could spread, I gave Alex Jones and Paul Joseph Watson a $500 "bribe" to post my article as a news item on the front page of Prisonplanet/Infowars for two days. All of a sudden Rense and other conspiracy sites did pick up the article, although they unfortunately did have a tendency to include the word "Illuminati" in their own headings. After that article, the gates were closed forever. I did offer to pay $200 for the publication of my very unique 2008 Pilgrims Society article, which theoretically would be of incredible interest to anything from Alex Jones and Jeff Rense to the John Birch Society, but nobody would touch it. Only Alex Jones would, as a commercial, which obviously didn't produce any links.


That chart https://wikispooks.com/ISGP/miscellaneo ... M_cult.htm is totally off the charts..
I actually just read his Dutroux article in its entirety a few days ago. Knew a little, but had always been more interested in US/Canadian stories of similar nature.. Pretty mind blowing to say the least. But I drift..

Have been following most of the ISIS threads here.. Used to follow Mid East politics and conflicts closer, but it's become so incredibly fucking confusing I can't make heads or tails anymore- pus it tends to get me pretty worked up... So I ask this, not necessarily as a departure point for a debate, but out of true curiosity- and frankly desperation: am I correct that there are sorta two forming theories here which may or may not overlap? 1. ISIS and the whole clusterfuck are US engineered to attain some murky goal. and/or 2. A small and extremely sadistic elite group is moving pieces on a chessboard to bring about what Order of the 9 Angles would refer to as Aeonic Change, that is the achievement of, in this case, the multi generational goal of bringing about chaos, destruction, and human suffering.


Absolutely(in my view) #2. Chaos. Changing the aeon. They know most the public is so immersed into their smart phone social network zombie mode, that they can both get away with crazy new things yet also will now have to sadly ratchet up the shocking crazyness to get people's attention. But I do believe like the holocaust or the last Iraq war, it's about death worship, getting off on human suffering, mass death, and changing the ages.

As to what Wombaticus Rex posted and you commented on WRT the horrifying 90's Dutroix case...I think the reason conspiracy sites stay clear of REAL stuff like this, is because it's too real. Too dark.
They feel safe throwing words out like "Illuminati", "Bilderberg", "Bohemian Grove", "Skull and Bones" etc. But real documented hardcore stuff like this or the Portugal scandal, it's just too much. They can't process
it. Least my take.
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby 8bitagent » Thu Oct 16, 2014 7:12 am



In the new VICE documentary film about ISIS, they (the IS militants) clearly talk about the Sykes Picot agreement as one of their main driving forces, and destroying it.
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby Lord Balto » Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:01 pm

8bitagentsaid:

As to what Wombaticus Rex posted and you commented on WRT the horrifying 90's Dutroix case...I think the reason conspiracy sites stay clear of REAL stuff like this, is because it's too real. Too dark.
They feel safe throwing words out like "Illuminati", "Bilderberg", "Bohemian Grove", "Skull and Bones" etc. But real documented hardcore stuff like this or the Portugal scandal, it's just too much. They can't process
it. Least my take.


I have to wonder if many of these Illiminati theorists aren't simply intentionally muddying the waters. Keep the doubters chasing after chimeras rather than invstigating the real evil doers. This goes especially for characters like Alex Jones, who mix in maybe 5% truth with 95% nonsense. Jones is just slightly more rational than folks like Kerry Cassidy, who appears to be living in her own little universe.
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby Tyler Rabbit » Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:20 am

8bitagent » Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:11 am wrote:
Tyler Rabbit » Thu Oct 16, 2014 3:30 am wrote:
Wombaticus Rex » Wed Oct 15, 2014 4:42 am wrote:
8bitagent » Wed Oct 15, 2014 1:06 am wrote:It almost seems the mere function of ISIS is a plot by powers unknown


Obligatory Reminder That Despite The Admittedly Awesome Rhetorical Flourish, Those Powers Are Not Unknown.

You yourself have done excellent work here over recent years tracing the lineage and ligaments of the "nexus of global power." Fascism is boring. Security through obscurity. Hiding in plain sight.

https://wikispooks.com/ISGP/

Speaking of, new piece up which is...timely: https://wikispooks.com/ISGP/miscellaneo ... M_cult.htm

But, as this article will demonstrate, these alternative shows are part of what amounts to a cult. All kinds of peculiar people with even more peculiar ideas are allowed on the air. They support each other, fight amongst each other, but outsiders are unable to join the conversation. My 2007 Dutroux article, which took 1.5 years to finish, is a good example of this. Despite having been published earlier and despite unique documentation that seriously implicated a former Bilderberg chairman, other leading internationalists, and CIA-backed fascist aristocrats in child abuse networks, it was ignored in EVERY conspiracy corner on the internet. Worried about my own safety, especially in terms of getting sued before the information could spread, I gave Alex Jones and Paul Joseph Watson a $500 "bribe" to post my article as a news item on the front page of Prisonplanet/Infowars for two days. All of a sudden Rense and other conspiracy sites did pick up the article, although they unfortunately did have a tendency to include the word "Illuminati" in their own headings. After that article, the gates were closed forever. I did offer to pay $200 for the publication of my very unique 2008 Pilgrims Society article, which theoretically would be of incredible interest to anything from Alex Jones and Jeff Rense to the John Birch Society, but nobody would touch it. Only Alex Jones would, as a commercial, which obviously didn't produce any links.


That chart https://wikispooks.com/ISGP/miscellaneo ... M_cult.htm is totally off the charts..
I actually just read his Dutroux article in its entirety a few days ago. Knew a little, but had always been more interested in US/Canadian stories of similar nature.. Pretty mind blowing to say the least. But I drift..

Have been following most of the ISIS threads here.. Used to follow Mid East politics and conflicts closer, but it's become so incredibly fucking confusing I can't make heads or tails anymore- pus it tends to get me pretty worked up... So I ask this, not necessarily as a departure point for a debate, but out of true curiosity- and frankly desperation: am I correct that there are sorta two forming theories here which may or may not overlap? 1. ISIS and the whole clusterfuck are US engineered to attain some murky goal. and/or 2. A small and extremely sadistic elite group is moving pieces on a chessboard to bring about what Order of the 9 Angles would refer to as Aeonic Change, that is the achievement of, in this case, the multi generational goal of bringing about chaos, destruction, and human suffering.


Absolutely(in my view) #2. Chaos. Changing the aeon. They know most the public is so immersed into their smart phone social network zombie mode, that they can both get away with crazy new things yet also will now have to sadly ratchet up the shocking crazyness to get people's attention. But I do believe like the holocaust or the last Iraq war, it's about death worship, getting off on human suffering, mass death, and changing the ages.

As to what Wombaticus Rex posted and you commented on WRT the horrifying 90's Dutroix case...I think the reason conspiracy sites stay clear of REAL stuff like this, is because it's too real. Too dark.
They feel safe throwing words out like "Illuminati", "Bilderberg", "Bohemian Grove", "Skull and Bones" etc. But real documented hardcore stuff like this or the Portugal scandal, it's just too much. They can't process
it. Least my take.

Yes so far in my limited time here that's what I like about this place: examining things without feeling the need to brand them- though it can create elephants in the room I suppose. That is, if everyone in the room has similar but somewhat varying ideas of who "They" are but (wisely) doesn't attribute a brand name to them, it's sometimes difficult, esp for new blood, to join the dialogue. After reading just a holy shit-ton of old posts, it's beginning to get a little easier to interpret the unsaid. However, am not as skilled at saying the unsaid yet so forgive any clumsiness..

I suppose the blanket of an elite group of depraved uber-wealthy conscience-free occultists(?) manipulating events for their own amusement works as well, probably better, than anything I can lay out over this shit-picnic. I'd agree with that assessment to some extend though am guessing less as to how centralized and calculated They may be. It's difficult to imagine people, even ones with nauseating amounts of power, having that type of forethought, and then being able to see the plan(s) carried out across decades or even hundreds of years in the face of the shear randomness of the universe. So it's hard for me to be that literal about it, but it's not too far off from many parts of my world-view. What some might think of as a centralized order with it's own structure, dogma, and apparently traceable lineage, I might think of as that dark part of human nature that manifests itself in various group forms- and I find it perhaps more terrifying because I'm not necessarily convinced they're all linked. That's what's truly scary; the idea that They might not be operating under a common banner, but that there are many flavors of They operating organically under many banners. And yes I absolutely agree the parties under those banners get off on power and the suffering of others..

But yeah Re: ISIS I have no idea. Could we wipe them out easily if we wanted to? Don't know, but the idea of us wanting them around, for reasons however allusive, seems completely plausible..
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