Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby Twyla LaSarc » Fri Oct 17, 2014 1:37 pm

MacCruiskeen » Tue Oct 14, 2014 8:54 am wrote:WTF? I'm turning into 82_28. My fucking posts will soon consist entirely of variations on the word "fuck", ffs.

What is there left to say indeed, when all is said and fucking done.


It's a handy word and will come into use in the coming days.

All these factions are ultimately driven by the goal of apocalypse. The enlightened avatar of their dreams only comes back after the earth is toast. Had to destroy it to save it, kill them all, God will sort them out. They are going out to perform a ritual that they have been planning for years. Realpolitik and Religion intersect and cannot be separated at this point. The fucking crazies are driving the bus and have been for awhile. Since long before us, actually.


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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby Twyla LaSarc » Fri Oct 17, 2014 1:54 pm



I haven't read a whole lot about the subject, but one thing that impressed me in Barbara Tuchman's 'Bible and Sword' was the proto-zionism of the establishment who drew the boundaries in the ME post WW1. The christian religiosity of several of the key players and their belief in securing the holy land as a fullfillment of prophecy was noted by the author.
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby thrulookingglass » Sat Oct 18, 2014 10:05 am

A grotesque masterpiece of trickery.

"A small and extremely sadistic elite group is moving pieces on a chessboard to bring about what Order of the 9 Angles would refer to as Aeonic Change, that is the achievement of, in this case, the multi generational goal of bringing about chaos, destruction, and human suffering." - Tyler Rabbit

"ISIS provides another handy excuse to fuck up the planet for profit." - MacCruiskeen

"I think the reason conspiracy sites stay clear of REAL stuff like this, is because it's too real. Too dark." - Wombat R

This hidden in plain sight spectre of an army, bearing the surreptitious use of the ancient Egyptian Goddess Isis, which the worlds greatest arsenals, equipped with most sophisticated modern drones and "complete situational awareness" above all cannot seem to muzzle may be the perfect vector for the ptb's ultimate Satanic ritual. I hate that they go nameless, that we lack a better term for this evil apparatus. All things must be called by their proper names. Compartmentalized. You may be part of a conspiracy and not even know it. Oswald in the theatre, sweaty palms, head on a swivel, shivering. Col. Fletcher Prouty and Garrison on a bench in central park, "Does it matter who pulls whose strings?" While this subject may be used to focus the lens over this cloaked psuedo-Muslim uprising, its the bigger picture, drawing the lens out that's most important here. Too dark. This noble pursuit of truth leeds to dark corners in this universe, it takes courage and bravery to sniff these things out and ever more-so to present them to the world as the truth.

“All great things must first wear terrifying and monstrous masks, in order to inscribe themselves on the hearts of humanity.” - Friedrich Nietzsche

ISIS is the latest dance craze, the ice bucket challenge du jour, the flavor of the week. Stay tuned bat fans, don't miss the thrilling, edge of your seat next episode...

" Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity..." -W. Yates 2nd Coming


As I believe the planet is a living body herself, this insatiable gluttonous use of oil becomes clear to me, not only to pollute the great world, spread misery, consolidate wealth and power, but to strip Gaia of what I would describe as one of her bodily fluids, perhaps even something akin to her blood. To destroy her spirit as to destroy ours as well.

Fucking crazies are driving the bus.

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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sat Oct 18, 2014 12:07 pm

thrulookingglass » Sat Oct 18, 2014 9:05 am wrote:"I think the reason conspiracy sites stay clear of REAL stuff like this, is because it's too real. Too dark." - Wombat R


That is a mis-attribution. Not how I fucking talk. Not remotely.
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Postby Perelandra » Sat Oct 18, 2014 12:30 pm

^That was an 8bit-ism.

In general, :starz:
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Oct 18, 2014 12:44 pm

word for word


viewtopic.php?f=8&t=38478&p=553742&hilit=REAL+stuff+like+this+too+real.+Too+dark#p553742

As to what Wombaticus Rex posted and you commented on WRT the horrifying 90's Dutroix case...I think the reason conspiracy sites stay clear of REAL stuff like this, is because it's too real. Too dark.


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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sat Oct 18, 2014 12:57 pm

Via: http://re-press.org/books/cyclonopedia- ... materials/

'The Middle East is a sentient entity—it is alive!’ concludes renegade Iranian archaeologist Dr. Hamid Parsani, before disappearing under mysterious circumstances. The disordered notes he leaves behind testify to an increasingly deranged preoccupation with oil as the ‘lubricant’ of historical and political narratives.

A young American woman arrives in Istanbul to meet a pseudonymous online acquaintance who never arrives. Discovering a strange manuscript in her hotel room, she follows up its cryptic clues only to discover more plot-holes, and begins to wonder whether her friend was a fictional quantity all along.

Meanwhile, as the War on Terror escalates, the US is dragged into an asymmetrical engagement with occultures whose principles are ancient, obscure, and saturated in oil. It is as if war itself is feeding upon the warmachines, leveling cities into the desert, seducing the aggressors into the dark heart of oil ...

At once a horror fiction, a work of speculative theology, an atlas of demonology, a political samizdat and a philosophic grimoire, CYCLONOPEDIA is work of theory-fiction on the Middle East, where horror is restlessly heaped upon horror. Reza Negarestani bridges the appalling vistas of contemporary world politics and the War on Terror with the archaeologies of the Middle East and the natural history of the Earth itself. CYCLONOPEDIA is a middle-eastern Odyssey, populated by archeologists, jihadis, oil smugglers, Delta Force officers, heresiarchs, corpses of ancient gods and other puppets. The journey to the Underworld begins with petroleum basins and the rotting Sun, continuing along the tentacled pipelines of oil, and at last unfolding in the desert, where monotheism meets the Earth’s tarry dreams of insurrection against the Sun.

...

Excursus III: Occult, the State’s Macropolitics and Political Pollution
The Dead Mother of All Contagions

Excursus VI: Xeno-agents and the Assyrian Axis of Evil-against-Evil
The Thing: White War and Hypercamouflage
...

‘Negarestani’s Cyclonopedia meticulously plots the occult matrices of an archaic petrochemical conspiracy that has set the earth on its carbon-cycle feedback loop to Hell.’ (John Cussans, Chelsea College of Art and Design)
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Oct 18, 2014 1:11 pm

U.S. dragged???? By who???





Yes, the Pentagon did want to hit Iran
By Gareth Porter

WASHINGTON - Three weeks after the September 11, 2001, terror attacks, former US defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld established an official military objective of not only removing the Saddam Hussein regime by force but overturning the regime in Iran, as well as in Syria and four other countries in the Middle East, according to a document quoted extensively in then-under secretary of defense for policy Douglas Feith's recently published account of the Iraq war decisions.

Feith's account further indicates that this aggressive aim of remaking the map of the Middle East by military force and the threat of force was supported explicitly by the country's top military leaders.

Feith's book, War and Decision, released last month, provides excerpts of the paper Rumsfeld sent to President George W Bush on September 30, 2001, calling for the administration to focus not on taking down Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda network but on the aim of establishing "new regimes" in a series of states by "aiding local peoples to rid themselves of terrorists and to free themselves of regimes that support terrorism".

In quoting from that document, Feith deletes the names of all of the states to be targeted except Afghanistan, inserting the phrase "some other states" in brackets. In a facsimile of a page from a related Pentagon "campaign plan" document, the Taliban and Saddam regimes are listed as "state regimes" against which "plans and operations" might be mounted, but the names of four other states are blacked out "for security reasons".

General Wesley Clark, who commanded the North Atlantic Treaty Organization bombing campaign in the Kosovo war, recalls in his 2003 book Winning Modern Wars being told by a friend in the Pentagon in November 2001 that the list of states that Rumsfeld and deputy secretary of defense Paul Wolfowitz wanted to take down included Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libya, Sudan and Somalia.

Clark writes that the list also included Lebanon. Feith reveals that Rumsfeld's paper called for getting "Syria out of Lebanon" as a major goal of US policy.

When this writer asked Feith after a recent public appearance which countries' names were deleted from the documents, he cited security reasons for the deletion. But when he was asked which of the six regimes on the Clark list were included in the Rumsfeld paper, he replied, "All of them."

Rumsfeld's paper was given to the White House only two weeks after Bush had approved a US military operation in Afghanistan directed against bin Laden and the Taliban regime. Despite that decision, Rumsfeld's proposal called explicitly for postponing indefinitely US airstrikes and the use of ground forces in support of the anti-Taliban Northern Alliance in order to try to catch bin Laden.

Instead, the Rumsfeld paper argued that the US should target states that had supported anti-Israel forces such as Hezbollah and Hamas. It urged that the United States "[c]apitalize on our strong suit, which is not finding a few hundred terrorists in caves in Afghanistan, but in the vastness of our military and humanitarian resources, which can strengthen the opposition forces in terrorist-supporting states".

Feith describes the policy outlined in the paper as consisting of "military action against some of the state sponsors and pressure - short of war - against others".

The Rumsfeld plan represented a Pentagon consensus that included the uniformed military leadership, according to Feith's account. He writes that the process of drafting the paper involved consultations with the outgoing chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Henry Shelton, and the incoming chairman, General Richard Myers.

Myers helped revise the initial draft, Feith writes, and General John P Abizaid, who was then director of the Joint Staff, enthusiastically endorsed it in draft form. "This is an exceptionally important memo," wrote Abizaid, "which gives clear strategic vision." In a message quoted by Feith, Abizaid recommended to Myers that "you support this approach".

After the invasion and occupation of Iraq in 2003, Abizaid was promoted to become chief of United States Central Command (CENTCOM), with military responsibility for the entire Middle East.

Neither Myers nor Abizaid, both of whom are now retired from the military, responded to e-mails asking for their comments on Feith's account of their role in the process of producing the Rumsfeld strategy.

Rumsfeld's aides had also drafted a second version of the paper, as instructions to all military commanders in the development of "campaign plans against terrorism".

That instructions document was a joint effort by Feith's office and by the Strategic Plans and Policy directorate of Abizaid's Joint Staff. It followed the broad outlines of the paper for Bush, arguing that the enemy was a "network" that included states that support terrorism and that the Defense Department should seek to "convince or compel" those states to cut their ties to terrorism.

The Pentagon guidance document called for military commanders to assist other government agencies "as directed" to "encourage populations dominated by terrorist organizations or their supporters to overthrow that domination".

That language was adopted because the campaign planning document was issued as "Strategic Guidance for the Defense Department" on October 3, 2001 - just three days after the Rumsfeld strategy paper had gone to the president.

Bush had not approved the explicit aim of regime change in Iran, Syria and four other countries proposed by Rumsfeld. Thus Rumsfeld adopted the aggressive military plan targeting multiple regimes in the Middle East for regime change even though it was not White House policy.

The Defense Department guidance document made it clear that US military aims in regard to those states would go well beyond any ties to terrorism. The document said the Defense Department would also seek to isolate and weaken those states and to "disrupt, damage or destroy" their military capacities - not necessarily limited to weapons of mass destruction (WMD).

The document included as a "strategic objective" a requirement to "prevent further attacks against the US or US interests". That language, which extended the principle of preemption far beyond the issue of WMD, was so broad as to justify plans to use force against virtually any state that was not a client of the United States.

The military leadership's strong preference for focusing on states as enemies rather than on the threat from al-Qaeda after September 11 continued a pattern of behavior going back to the Bill Clinton administration (1993-2001).

After the bombing of two US embassies in East Africa by al-Qaeda operatives, State Department counter-terrorism official Michael Sheehan proposed supporting the anti-Taliban Northern Alliance in Afghanistan against bin Laden's sponsor, the Taliban regime. However, senior US military leaders "refused to consider it", according to a 2004 account by Richard H Shultz, Junior, a military specialist at Tufts University.

A senior officer on the Joint Staff told State Department counter-terrorism director Sheehan he had heard terrorist strikes characterized more than once by colleagues as a "small price to pay for being a superpower".
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby 82_28 » Sat Oct 18, 2014 1:40 pm

Back in the day before the launching of the crime against humanity, I had multiple conversations at my bar with this higher up military guy (slightly elderly). Don't know what his rank was because I don't care nor know the difference between that shit. Anyhow, he told me (eagerly) that the real prize is Iran. Obviously I argued a bit about how I felt about war and how two wrongs don't make a right. He would laugh at me as though I was an idiot -- in a nice way (sorta).

Takeaway was that there are many military planners/plotters who desperately want to destroy Iran perhaps for even ego or something they've dedicated their whole lives to -- the eventual attack on Iran. Many old men would like to see this through. Those who have been steeped in legends of the poisonous purposes of their very lives.
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Oct 18, 2014 2:07 pm

Welcome to the New American Century




ya think we can surround a country overnight?

Does anyone think the guys that planned this did not know the resulting ISIS chaos? It was a planned chaos

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there is only one way to Iran (that is and always was the goal) and that began Sept. 11 2001....well some planning before that


from Source Watch
The PNAC was co-founded by William Kristol and Robert Kagan in 1997

Original 25 signatories were:
Source
Elliott Abrams, a former Reagan-era Assistant Secretary of State for Inter-American Affairs. During the Iran/Contra scandal, Abrams pleaded guilty to two misdemeanor counts of lying to Congress but was later pardoned by the first Bush administration. He subsequently became president of the Ethics and Public Policy Center. He is currently a member of Bush's National Security Council.
Gary Bauer, a Republican presidential candidate in 2000, who currently is president of an organization named American Values.
William J. Bennett, who served during the Reagan and first Bush administrations as U.S. Secretary of Education and Drug Czar. Upon leaving government office, Bennett became a "distinguished fellow" at the conservative Heritage Foundation, co-founded Empower America, and established himself as a self-proclaimed expert on morality with his authorship of The Book of Virtues.
Jeb Bush, the son of former President George Herbert Walker Bush and brother of current President George W. Bush. At the time of PNAC's founding, Jeb Bush was a candidate for the Florida governor's seat, a position which he currently holds.
Dick Cheney, the former White House Chief of Staff to Gerald R. Ford, six-term Congressman, and Secretary of Defense to the first President Bush, was serving as president of the oil-services giant Halliburton Company at the time of PNAC's founding. He subsequently became U.S. vice president under George W. Bush.
Eliot A. Cohen, a professor of strategic studies at John Hopkins University
Paula Dobriansky, vice president and director of the Washington office of the Council on Foreign Relations. Currently Dobriansky serves in the Bush administration as Undersecretary of State for Global Affairs.
Steve Forbes, publisher, billionaire, and Republican presidential candidate in 1996 and 2000. Forbes has also campaigned actively on behalf of the "flat tax," which would reduce the federal tax burden for wealthy individuals like himself.
Aaron Friedberg, professor of politics and international affairs; Director, Center of International Studies; Director, Research Program in International Security, Woodrow Wilson School, Princeton University.
Francis Fukuyama, author of The End of History and the Last Man; Dean of the Faculty and Bernard L. Schwartz Professor of International Political Economy at the Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS) at Johns Hopkins University. Appointed to the President's Council on Bioethics by George W. Bush, January 2002.
Frank Gaffney - conservative columnist; founder and president of the Center for Security Policy in Washington, D.C. Web-site: http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/
Fred C. Ikle, "distinguished scholar" at the Center for Strategic and International Studies
Donald Kagan, professor of history and classics at Yale University and the author of books including While America Sleeps: Self-Delusion, Military Weakness, and the Threat to Peace Today; A Twilight Struggle: American Power and Nicaragua, 1977-1990; and The Origins of War and the Preservation of Peace. Kagan is also a senior associate at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, a contributing editor at the Weekly Standard and a Washington Post columnist, a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and the Alexander Hamilton fellow in American diplomatic history at American University. Past experience includes: Deputy for Policy in the State Department's Bureau of Inter-American Affairs (1985-1988); State Department's Policy Planning Staff member (1984-1985); speechwriter to Secretary of State George P. Shultz (1984-1985); foreign policy advisor to Congressman Jack Kemp (1983); Special Assistant to the Deputy Director of the United States Information Agency (1983); Assistant Editor at the Public Interest (1981).
Zalmay Khalilzad, an Afghan-American who was the only Muslim among the group's original signatories and the only signatory who was not a native-born U.S. citizen. Khalilzad has became the Bush administration's special envoy to Afghanistan after the fall of the Taliban as well as is special envoy to the Iraqi opposition to Saddam Hussein. Khalilzad has written about information warfare, and in 1996 (in pre-Taliban days), he served as a consultant to the oil company Unocal Corporation (UNOCAL) regarding a "risk analysis" for its proposed pipeline project through Afghanistan and Pakistan.
William Kristol, PNAC's chairman, is also editor of the Weekly Standard, a Washington-based political magazine. His past involvements have included: lead of the Project for the Republican Future, chief of staff to Vice President J. Danforth Quayle, chief of staff to Secretary of Education William J. Bennett under the Reagan administration, taught politics at the University of Pennsylvania and Harvard's Kennedy School of Government.
I. Lewis Scooter Libby, who later became chief of staff for Vice President Dick Cheney.
Norman Podhoretz, a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute and author of works such as Patriotism and its Enemies.
J. Danforth Quayle, former vice president under President George Herbert Walker Bush and a presidential candidate himself in 1996.
Peter W. Rodman, who served in the State Department and the National Security Council under Presidents Ronald Reagan and George Herbert Walker Bush, became the current Bush administration's Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security affairs in 2001.
Stephen P. Rosen, Beton Michael Kaneb Professor of National Security and Military Affairs at Harvard University.
Henry S. Rowen was president of the RAND Corporation from 1967-1972. He served under former presidents Reagan and Bush as chairman of the National Intelligence Council (1981-83) and Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs (1989-91). He currently holds the title of "senior fellow" at the Hoover Institution on War, Revolution and Peace
Donald H. Rumsfeld served former President Gerald R. Ford as chief of transition after Richard M. Nixon's resignation, later becoming Ford's chief of staff and secretary of defense from 1974-75. He subsequently served from 1990-93 as CEO of General Instrument Corporation and later as Chairman of the Board of Gilead Sciences, a pharmaceutical company. In 1998 he served as chairman of the bi-partisan US Ballistic Missile Threat Commission. Under President George W. Bush, he once again assumed the post of Secretary of Defense.
Vin Weber, a former Republican congressman from Minnesota, is now a well-connected lobbyist who has represented such firms as AT&T, Lockheed Martin and Microsoft. Weber is also vice chairman of Empower America and a former fellow of the Progress and Freedom Foundation.
George Weigel, a Roman Catholic religious and political commentator, is a "senior fellow" at the Ethics and Public Policy Center.
Paul Dundes Wolfowitz, formerly Dean and Professor of International Relations at the Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies at Johns Hopkins University, became Undersecretary of Defense for President George W. Bush in 2001.


Leadership


William Kristol, Chairman
Robert Kagan, Co-founder
Bruce P. Jackson, bio President of the Project on Transitional Democracies. He was also a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and the International Institute for Strategic Studies. He was on the Board of Advisors of the Center for Security Policy. He is the President of the U.S. Committee on NATO. Past experience includes: US Army intelligence (1979-1990), Office of the Secretary of Defense (1986-1990), chief strategist of proprietary trade operations at Lehman Brothers (1990-1993), high level management positions at Martin Marietta and Lockheed Corporation (1993-1999?).
Mark Gerson, bio
Randy Scheunemann, bio, founded the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq, served as an advisor to Rumsfeld on Iraq in 2001.
Other leaders:
Ellen Bork, Deputy Director
Gary Schmitt, Senior Fellow
Thomas Donnelly, Senior Fellow
Reuel Marc Gerecht, Senior Fellow, Director of the Middle East Initiative
Timothy Lehmann, Assistant Director
Michael Goldfarb, Research Associate


Sheila Carapico and Chris Toensing wrote in 2006 that “to hear American politicians and the commercial news media tell it, the greatest military power in world history hastily launched an ill-conceived invasion because of intelligence failures and wishful fantasies of sweets and flowers. It is as if, to paraphrase a sentiment heard in White House hallways on September 11, 2001, history really did start on that day, and nothing that happened beforehand mattered. It is as if the United States had never articulated a global vision of ‘full-spectrum dominance,’ acted upon hegemonic ambitions in the Persian Gulf or planned for forcible ‘regime change’ in Iraq.” See Sheila Carapico and Chris Toensing, “The Strategic Logic of the Iraq Blunder,” Middle East Report (no. 239, Summer 2006), 6–11, esp. 6. For the best account emphasizing the role of 9/11 in the decision to invade Iraq in 2003, see F. Gregory Gause III, The International Relations of the Persian Gulf  (New York, 2010), 184–97.
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby Twyla LaSarc » Sat Oct 18, 2014 3:03 pm

Almost OT, but links to Iran, Interesting article by troutfishing (Bruce Wilson, Talk2Action) at dailykos:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/10/1 ... y-Takeover

As my new Twocare.org reports U.S. Pro-Coup Evangelicals Ally With Putin Inner Circle details, influential hard-right evangelical leaders - one who has openly called for a "military takeover" and "martial law" - have forged close ties with a Russian inner-circle leader considered by some to be Vladimir Putin's closest political ally.

That American evangelical leader, Rick Joyner, is part of the New Apostolic Reformation movement which gave us Sarah Palin and helped create the Tea Party.

Joyner has allied with former Undersecretary of Defense Lt. Gen. (Ret.) William "Jerry" Boykin, whose impressive list of positions has included command of U.S. Special Forces. Joyner's allies also former U.S. Senator and Tea Party backer Jim DeMint, Lt. Col. (Ret.) Oliver North, of Iran-Contra fame - a man noted for his role in a secret operation that funneled profits from arms sale to Iran to a covert operation to undermine the government of Nicaragua, and former CIA director James Woolsey, whose claims on an alleged tie between Saddam Hussein and the 9/11 terrorist attacks on America helped propel the United States towards the disastrous invasion of Iraq.


The link to this subject is down in the comments where we are reminded that Boykin was one of the commanders of that fateful rescue attempt in Iran that sank Jimmy Carter's term.

Also Iran/contra Ollie.

These guys sure get around. You are right 82, there is likely some kind of revenge motive here as well as madness.
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Oct 18, 2014 3:35 pm

Genghis Christ, General Boykin, and the Fundamentalist Christian Holy War
Saturday, 08 March 2014 09:56
By Mikey Weinstein, AlterNet | Op-Ed
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Lieutenant General Jerry Boykin. (Photo: chuck holton / Flickr)
Jerry Boykin has a grotesque conception of Jesus Christ. Most (non-fundamentalist) Christians practice their faith in a manner that holds aloft the treasured values of love, peace, and good will towards their fellow humans. Boykin, a retired U.S. Army Lieutenant General and current Executive Vice President of the ultra-right wing, fundamentalist Family Research Council (FRC), will have none of that. Instead, Boykin’s avatar is a ravenously militant and militaristic one — a deity of universal destruction, bloodshed, rabid bigotry and unadulterated hatred.
Speaking to the WallBuilders’ Pro-Family Legislators Conference last fall, Boykin staked this claim:
“The Lord is a warrior and in Revelation 19 it says when he comes back, he’s coming back as what? A warrior. A mighty warrior leading a mighty army, riding a white horse with a blood-stained white robe … I believe that blood on that robe is the blood of his enemies ’cause he’s coming back as a warrior carrying a sword. And I believe now – I’ve checked this out – I believe that sword he’ll be carrying when he comes back is an AR-15.
…And the sword today is an AR-15, so if you don’t have one, go get one. You’re supposed to have one. It’s biblical.”
Jesus Christ or "Genghis" Christ?
It is absolutely critical to understand and fully internalize that Boykin is far from alone in his nightmarish conception of the Prince of Peace’s (mainstream) redeeming message. Indeed, the retired General’s forces are literally legion with some estimating that the number of adherents totals approximately 38 million people, i.e. about 12 percent of the American public. A multi-denominational grouping known as “dominionists”, these Christian extremists see themselves as a martyred and besieged demographic. They thrill to the imagined drama that they are surrounded on all sides by, among many other constituencies of Satan, 1) sodomites (the LGBT community); 2) hellbound cowards (any non-fundamentalist Christian, non-messianic Jew, or adherents of ANY other faith group or non-faith entity); 3) domestic jihadis (pretty much any breathing Muslim American or fetuses in the wombs of Muslim American women), all of whom advocate “shariah law”; 4) demonic ‘feminazis’ (women who will not merrily submit to male domination in all matters of consequence); and, 4) godless commies (i.e. anyone who hasn’t manifestly absorbed Fox News’ talking points and/or isn’t politically to the right of Ted Nugent).
In the tortured minds of these dominionists, it stands to reason that, being conveniently beset by divinely predicted enemies from all sides, they must defend themselves to the death by all means at their disposal, including armed force. But that’s not enough. As late dominionist preacher Earl Paulk stated, “Christ in us must take dominion over the earth… the next move of God cannot occur until Christ in us takes dominion.”
Want more? The über-jingoistic words of the recently deceased dominionist Poster Child, Rev. D. James Kennedy, speak volumes: “As the vice-regents of God, we are to bring His truth and His will to bear on every sphere of our world and our society. We are to exercise godly dominion and influence over our neighborhoods, our schools, our government… our entertainment media, our news media, our scientific endeavors—in short, over every aspect and institution of human society.”
You see, my friends, Boykin’s words of wanton war aren’t simply the idle spoutings of some crotchety, eccentric, harmless ex-soldier. They’re a de facto fatwa being issued to “American Taliban” coreligionists to forthwith forge the “Kingdom of God” through bloody sectarian armed struggle, as their twisted, dominionist version of the New Testament demands. How “bloody,” you may inquire? You want the metrics? No one describes Boykin’s dominionist wet dream with more exactitude of revulsion than the “Ragin’ Prophet” Rod Parsley who is the spiritual leader of the enormous (5,200 seat) mega-cathedral in Columbus, Ohio known as the World Harvest Church, which boasts 10,000 weekly congregant attendees. Parsley minces no words when he promises his vast flock of fanatical fundamentalists that there will be a 200 mile long river, 4 and half feet deep, filled with nothing but the human blood of those poor souls whom the weaponized Jesus has slaughtered at the Battle of Armageddon. Parsley will then remind his followers, energetically engorged with this blood orgy promise, to “rejoice, for the worst is yet to come.”
For Boykin and his wretched ilk, Revelation 19 (“And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war”) is the mantra that supersedes turning the other cheek, loving thy neighbor, and other sanguine gospel messages à la The Sermon on the Mount. Per Boykin’s instructions, all good Christians need to literally become “warriors for God’s kingdom.” And they need to do it right now!
Sound familiar? Anyone? Well, it’s right out of the infamous playbook of religious supremacy and exceptionalism writ large in the blood of innocents by such villains as al-Qaeda and Anders Behring Breivik.
The Top General in the Dominionist “Army of God”
Boykin was one of the original commanders of the U.S. Army’s elite Delta Force unit, which was formed in the late ‘70’s. Boykin, then 29, apparently saw his induction into Delta as a continuation of his walk with God: “God led me into Delta Force, and He said to me, this is where you ought to be.” Boykin must have been referring to the God of “blood in fury” and the “consuming fire,” described in the Book of Ezekiel.
Following September 11, Boykin, at the time the Commanding General of the sprawling Fort Bragg, N.C. military facility, would preach that the United States was engaged in nothing less than an all-out holy war. In paid junkets financed by influential dominionist entities, Boykin would appear onstage in churches and other locations around the nation in his full Army uniform, pointing to posters of Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein and stating that “Satan wants to destroy this nation, he wants to destroy us as a nation, and he wants to destroy us as a Christian army… [they] will only be defeated if we come against them in the name of Jesus.” It was around this time that then-Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld successfully nominated Boykin for a third star, placing the dominionist fascist Boykin only one rank/grade below the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
From 2002 to 2007, Boykin served on George W. Bush’s team as the Deputy Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence in what Bush referred to as “this crusade, this war on terrorism.” It was in this lofty capacity at the highest levels of the Pentagon that Boykin became thoroughly convinced that the opponents of the U.S. were “satanic” and thus less-than-human. He became Rumsfeld’s point-man on the secretive program to restructure the notorious Abu Ghraib Prison along the lines of Guantánamo Bay’s Camp X-Ray, or in other words, to “Gitmoize” it. It was not long before Abu Ghraib became infamously plagued by horrifying reports of systemic human rights abuses. Query the role played there as a result of Boykin’s dehumanizing sectarian rhetoric of weapons-grade, inflammatory Islamophobia? After all, Boykin has made it publicly quite clear that he believes that Muslims in America do not deserve Constitutional First Amendment protections.
Commanding Officer in the Domestic Hate Lobby
Now retired from military life, Boykin is the Executive Vice President of the FRC, one of the leading anti-gay dominionist organizations in the United States and a designated Hate Group according to the venerable Southern Poverty Law Center. Birds of a bigoted feather flock together. Indeed, the FRC (which I always thought stood for “Fascist Rally Center”) is a truly vicious organization that has supported Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni’s “Kill the Gays” Bill (now the “Imprison-Gays-for-Life” Bill), as well as the anti-LGBT crackdown in Russia. The FRC also furiously supported Arizona’s defeated SB1062, the “Religious Freedom Restoration Act,” which basically would have fully legalized the civil “right” to practice atrocious forms of discrimination and prejudice against gay and lesbian residents.
I head-up a foundation that comprehensively clashes with Boykin on an all too frequent basis. We wage these fights on behalf of our 36,000-plus active duty and veteran clients within the U.S. military, 96% of whom are practicing Christians themselves, who’ve had their Constitutionally-guaranteed, religious rights and protections egregiously violated by unconstitutional mafiosi such as Boykin. As Founder and President of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF), I’ve even been the central subject of a scurrilous recent article entitled “One of the Most Dangerous Men in America,” published in the July/August 2013 edition of Decision Magazine, a flagship publication of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association. Ironically, the cover of that magazine featured a prominent photo of a coyly smiling Boykin himself juxtaposed with the incredibly duplicitous, deceitful and dishonest headline of “Religious Freedom Under Attack in our Armed Forces: Retired Lt. Gen. Jerry Boykin Warns of Efforts to Trample Liberty in the Military.” And, just so you know, this month’s issue proudly trumpets Russia’s anti-gay legislation and features Vladimir Putin on the cover.
Dominionist Christian Extremism: A Dire Threat
Without the slightest tacit nuance of hyperbole, one can easily assert that the militant, dominionist fanaticism of Christian fundamentalism which Boykin, and his ignominious swarms spew, mirrors the explicit extremism of the Salafi-Jihadist monsters who’ve torn the Middle East asunder. Indeed, the cruel and callous fundamentalist bigotry of Christian dominionists isn’t limited to gays and Muslims. On the contrary, it is aimed at all “blasphemers” in general, especially including other Christians whom Boykin and his fellow travelers disparagingly deem to not be “Christian enough.”
Americans who value their remaining Constitutional religious freedoms should rail against Boykin’s incitements to his vast flock to arm as for war. The dominionist “faith” is a frightening, contorted vision of theocratic tyranny dripping with unbridled hostility towards the bedrock rights and protections guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution.
The damnable dominionists such as Boykin, the FRC and their awful fundamentalist allies are not merely wolves in sheep’s’ clothing. They are wolves in wolves’ clothing.
Our American brothers and sisters must recognize the seething and barbarous danger wrought by this sectarian theocratic cabal before it becomes too late and it engulfs our precious freedoms rendering the rest of us impotent to resist its terrible tyranny.
We cannot merely request them to stop. We must demand it, and remember the words of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.: “Freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed.”


"I told General Boykin that you called.
The conviction of Jonathan "Jack" Idema was a foregone conclusion. To begin with, Idema, a paid mercenary, is dispensable. Second, by all accounts he was - despite denials - assigned to do the job by Boykin, who in turn reports directly to the under secretary of defense for military intelligence, Stephen Cambone. Had the charges been reviewed in depth at a fair trial, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and even Vice President Dick Cheney could have been implicated. While the high-ups condone and protect the methods applied by the lower ranks, but stay aloof from incriminating details, both Boykin and Cambone are certainly more vulnerable.

...

The Pentagon was clearly anxious to protect both Boykin and his boss, Cambone. As Seymour Hersh wrote in his article "The Gray Zone" in The New Yorker in May, Cambone was unpopular among military and civilian intelligence bureaucrats in the Pentagon, in essence because he had little experience in running intelligence programs; instead, he was known for his closeness to Rumsfeld. In 1998, Cambone had served as staff director for a committee, headed by Rumsfeld, that warned of an emerging ballistic-missile threat to the United States.

Cambone's name came up prominently during the Abu Ghraib investigations. He was recorded as saying that Boykin had briefed him on a report, which was prepared by Major-General Geoffrey Miller, on ways to improve intelligence-gathering at Abu Ghraib, that said Military Police (MPs) should help set conditions for the "successful exploitation" of detainees. Cambone went on to say that neither he, Miller, nor Boykin thought the report was "tantamount" to asking MPs to engage in abusive behavior.

Boykin, for his part, is a former commander of Delta Force. He goes way back to the aborted attempt to free American hostages in Iran under president Jimmy Carter, which sank Carter's re-election campaign in 1980. He was part of the commando unit that failed in the attempt to rescue the hostages held at the US Embassy in Tehran.

Boykin's fangs show
Boykin was also involved in Somalia, and a variety of hot spots around the world, including the first Gulf War in 1991. He is one of the most experienced special-operations commanders in the US military. It is not unlikely that he knows Idema at a personal, as well as at a professional, level.

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=11556
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They could still get him out of office.
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Don’t forget that.
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby Twyla LaSarc » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:53 pm

Thank you, SLAD.

A guy I used to have metaphysical discussions with (who later became a cult enforcer :zomg ) once told me that there was no stopping 'armageddon', that too many people were creating it with their minds and calling for it and it would have to manifest in some manner. Of course this was back during the 'cold war' and 'no nukes' and 'London Calling". Being young and still moored in the surface appearances of things, I always thought of his comments in terms of a political phenomenon, like the number of missles and the often willfull blindness of many people at that time as social services were gutted for more bombs. TV reinforced the atomic death fixation with a few timely and popular made-for-TV specials. I was hopeful in the early 90's. Perhaps humanity had gotten past the death trip. :wallhead:


As I've gotten older, the connotations of his words in regard to religious belief have sunk in.

What is arguably the most dangerous virus on earth? What causes this level of zombie crazy?

I think I have to say Fuck again.
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby 8bitagent » Sat Oct 18, 2014 10:35 pm

Oliver North needs no introduction into the pantheon of bad men in the history books, but his interview on Fox I thought was spot on:
http://video.foxnews.com/v/384694281200 ... show-clips

He said 1. Kobani is just a distraction to get the US air power focused on them, while the real muscle of ISIS(who now have fighters in the multiple tens of thousands)
is completely aimed at surrounding Baghdad from all sides. 2. He said they've captured almost every key town within miles of the Baghdad airport and the city itself
and are just waiting to strike 3. He said he believes their plan it to try and take over the airport and attack the gargantuan green zone/US embassy.
Benghazi on steroids...and acid. (my words there)

Boy, imagine the right wing who jerked off every nite to Benghazi going apeshit over an ISIS assault of the green zone. Which of course would automatically make it a US combat hot zone.
There seems to be credible reports that ISIS now has a small fixed wing air force with trained defected pilots as well as Saddam's old 80's chemical weapons(tho undetermined how useful those would be)

Btw just to illustrate the weird games the US military establishment plays overseas, a corrupt pedo Taliban commanding officer was protected at a Marine FOB. He was running underage boy sex rings, working for the Taliban, corrupting officials and forcing locals to give him money....and for the hell of it he walks into the gym and just kills three US marines. then, the pentagon completely covers the whole thing up, shuts the family out of any info and gives the guy a slap on the wrist. that's the sort of sick double game going on. Just like with what we saw with KBR and Dyncorp.


So my take stands as it did in July when I made that other ISIS post: These is the new black in season, the ptb newest virus. Using the "incompetence" of the White House, military and US trained Iraqi forces
to usher in a specific new kind of hell which will really kick into high gear soon.
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby Tyler Rabbit » Sat Oct 18, 2014 11:38 pm

thrulookingglass » Sat Oct 18, 2014 7:05 am wrote:A grotesque masterpiece of trickery.

"A small and extremely sadistic elite group is moving pieces on a chessboard to bring about what Order of the 9 Angles would refer to as Aeonic Change, that is the achievement of, in this case, the multi generational goal of bringing about chaos, destruction, and human suffering." - Tyler Rabbit



I wasn't necessarily saying that's my take on it. Was mainly just interested to know if that's what others think. No biggie though.
It was said somewhere on here, maybe by Stefano, that it's more roulette than chess.. In keeping with my initial O9A analogy, am starting to think of it as a chessboard with many pieces beyond just the black and white ones, and a grid comprised of lines going in many directions, but not necessarily any central chess master(s).

I have doubts that satanic pedos are "behind it all" but I'll add these to the pot - which am sure most here already know about:

Blackwater used 'child prostitutes in Iraq'
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=27092

The Dancing Boys of Afghanistan
http://video.pbs.org/video/1474778660/
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