What is Colonialism?

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Re: What is Colonialism?

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Fri Dec 26, 2014 2:38 pm

Well, here's my two cents.

This thread is an embarrassment. There is a place for discussing rules that already exists. I am tired of this shit being resurrected ad nauseum.

Please lock it.

edited to say have a happy fucking New Year.
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Re: What is Colonialism?

Postby American Dream » Fri Dec 26, 2014 2:39 pm

Searcher and WR, is there any way you could justify claiming my post from the Red-Brown Alliance thread constituted advocacy for Gilad Atzmon, and therefore earned me a two week suspension?


http://brockley.blogspot.com/2008/05/da ... holas.html

Tuesday, May 13, 2008
Left-right convergence and conspiracy thought

David Aaronovitch on "Dr" Nicholas Kollerstrom, the Holocaust denier and astrologist we looked at the other week. Final paragraphs:

[Kollerstrom represents] a unique political movement, made possible by the internet and existing as an informal fusion between far-left and far-right forces; forces which regard themselves as anti-imperialist, anti-war (or, rather, since they have a regard for “resistance” fighters in Hamas, Hizbollah and the Taliban, “anti-Western”) and anti-Zionist.

It is where Gilad Atzmon (the anti-Jewish Jew), the folk of the “pro-Palestinian” Deir Yassin Remembered who sympathise with the old Nazi Ernst Zundel, meet the Socialist Worker’s Party, hook up with Dieudonne Mbala, link to old US lefties like Ralph Schoenman, hobnob with believers in the blood libel such Israel Shamir. The right-wingers at anti-war.com share columns with the supposed lefties at Counterpunch, and are referenced by pro-Milosevic Serbs, Russian nationalists and conspiracy loons.

They are, in electoral or mass terms, insignificant. Whether they poison the minds of too many silly Kollerstroms is another question. I think they do.Atzmon?
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Re: What is Colonialism?

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Fri Dec 26, 2014 2:44 pm

To be clear, that's just the memo line on your most recent suspension. I'm not going to exert the energy to dig it up and review this crap. I really don't remember your last suspension -- they all kind of blend in. (By which I mean, all of the suspensions, not just all of yours.)

Per your question, though: no, you have been identifying Atzmon as a problematic actor for the entire duration of your tenure here. Personally, that's an assessment I very much agree with.

...solace's point is also quite correct.

Still, the real story here isn't about anything but me. Sorry y'all are stuck with me as a moderator. But, you are. I have no patience for circular conversations and being a redneck male, my bias is towards action vs. reflection.

I have to be blunt: whining about a suspension after the fact is pathetic behavior. Your grievances = my LULZ. Know that.
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Re: What is Colonialism?

Postby Searcher08 » Fri Dec 26, 2014 2:48 pm

American Dream » Fri Dec 26, 2014 6:22 pm wrote:
Jeff » Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:23 am wrote:Good discussion, bad subject line.

I don't think Atzmon is what we talk about when we talk about Krishnamurti. And after the forum's latest near-death experience in our last Atzmon thread, I think I need to be clear upfront in this one: I'll regard advocacy here for Atzmon as a violation of RI's posting guidelines.



Searcher and WR, is there any stretch of the imagination whatsoever by which you would urge us to consider by which you could say that I am the one who engaged in advocacy for Atzmon?


Jesus.
I don't take part in sub-troll Mod baiting posts. It's very rude and ill-mannered.
Posting David Aaronovitch as this point is just pure calculated flamebait.

Agree with StillRobertPaulsen on locking.

Sorry for this crapfest, Wombat
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Re: What is Colonialism?

Postby American Dream » Fri Dec 26, 2014 2:53 pm

So WR and Searcher, is there to be any consideration that either of you will do of the possibility that what you did was egregiously wrong?

Because it is patently obvious based on the facts and claims proffered that it was.

Or should this to be a place where racist and/or far right conspiracy propaganda are made more welcome and left critiques not, never mind what Jeff Wells' intentions are for this place?
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Re: What is Colonialism?

Postby solace » Fri Dec 26, 2014 2:56 pm

American Dream » Fri Dec 26, 2014 2:22 pm wrote:
Jeff » Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:23 am wrote:Good discussion, bad subject line.

I don't think Atzmon is what we talk about when we talk about Krishnamurti. And after the forum's latest near-death experience in our last Atzmon thread, I think I need to be clear upfront in this one: I'll regard advocacy here for Atzmon as a violation of RI's posting guidelines.



Searcher and WR, is there any stretch of the imagination whatsoever by which you would urge us to consider by which you could say that I am the one who engaged in advocacy for Atzmon?


I just spoke to this. Obviously it wasn't about any advocacy; you certainly didn't do that. So it was about something else. And that could be almost anything couldn't it? In the long run, it doesn't really matter except for the fact that a certain crew of posters are obviously going to keep trying to silence/annoy.interfere with you any way they can. Their animus is blatant. C'est la vie on a board I guess. You should permanently put them on ignore like I have and stick to it. It works out great for me.

(Having seen WR's last post, a little history. At that point, he was pretty much the only mod dealing with a lot of stuff and he opted for some tough love in several instances as I recall. You got caught in it right or wrong. I would have too or will too if I unignore the many many @@^#$%^^&^&^'s I have put on ignore. So I'm doing everyone a favour and defusing any power the @@^#$%^^&^&^'s have except to post their dodgy lame shit all they want. And that's their right as long as no majority objects I guess.)
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Re: What is Colonialism?

Postby American Dream » Fri Dec 26, 2014 2:58 pm

So what can we do to make things better?
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Re: What is Colonialism?

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Fri Dec 26, 2014 3:00 pm

American Dream » Fri Dec 26, 2014 1:53 pm wrote:So WR and Searcher is there any consideration that you will do of the possibility that what you both did was egregiously wrong?

Because it is patently obvious to me based on the facts and claims proffered that it was.

Or is this to be a place where racist and/or far right conspiracy propaganda is welcome and left critiques are not, never mind what Jeff Wells' intentions are for this place?


My man, I have done a lot of work here to root out racism and horseshit. This is a really dumb move.

Whether or not I made a mistake pales in comparison to the lurid absurdity of your outrage here, not to mention your messianic implication that you being suspended amounts to me opening the floodgates to everyone on 4Chan and StXXXfXXXt to come here and Do As They Wilt. Please.

None of the issues you discuss here has ever been as important to you as your control over the discussion.
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Re: What is Colonialism?

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Fri Dec 26, 2014 3:04 pm

American Dream » Fri Dec 26, 2014 3:35 am wrote:I can't ignore the elephant in the room: Searcher, what exactly did you report me for? And was getting me suspended for two weeks the outcome you were seeking?


:thumbsup

Nobody derailed your thread but you.

Let it go.
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Re: What is Colonialism?

Postby American Dream » Fri Dec 26, 2014 3:09 pm

Of course, I'm upset to see that I was suspended for two weeks on bogus charges that are exactly contrary to Jeff Wells' stated intent in saying what he did- most anyone would be.

Being honest about that is surely better than pretending it is not so.

Anyway, I can see that I am not getting what I wanted, which was acknowledgment that something wrong did happen and a good faith offer to work to make things more just and functional in the future.

By the way, I see that as a shared responsibility and am perfectly willing to do my part in that effort.
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Re: What is Colonialism?

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Fri Dec 26, 2014 3:27 pm

It's not "bogus charges," it's your behavior.

Searcher didn't get you suspended.

I suspended you.
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Re: What is Colonialism?

Postby American Dream » Fri Dec 26, 2014 3:33 pm

WR, I wish you well, but I honestly don't feel good about the claims made and the evidence offered here in this thread.

So while I would have liked to see more positive outcomes here, I will let it go at that.
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Re: What is Colonialism?

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Fri Dec 26, 2014 3:36 pm

American Dream » Fri Dec 26, 2014 2:33 pm wrote:WR, I wish you well, but I honestly don't feel good about the claims made and the evidence offered here in this thread.

So while I would have liked to see more positive outcomes here, I will let it go at that.


And Lo, another thread becomes a referendum about your feelings.
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Re: What is Colonialism?

Postby Project Willow » Fri Dec 26, 2014 3:37 pm

American Dream » 26 Dec 2014 10:58 wrote:So what can we do to make things better?


Take responsibility for your behavior. The last time you were suspended it was for inferring that people with whom you disagree are closet racist right wingers, a pattern of behavior that does nothing except inflame personal animosity. You'd been warned about it repeatedly but continued on regardless of what any of us mods had said.

Or should this to be a place where racist and/or far right conspiracy propaganda are made more welcome and left critiques not, never mind what Jeff Wells' intentions are for this place?


This is histrionic bullshit. Your reaction to any such propaganda as you might perceive it has been an utter failure, resulting in massive amounts of distraction and hurt feelings. Rather than actually affecting the views and opinions you are so concerned about, you've cemented them with your witch hunt approach.

This is a discussion board. A good argument will move people, labeling and shunning (which are fear based reactions) will ensure more shitstorms, and we mods were sick and tired of this particular one a couple years ago.

By the way, I see that as a shared responsibility and am perfectly willing to do my part in that effort.


Try a different approach.
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