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Left-right convergence and conspiracy thought
David Aaronovitch on "Dr" Nicholas Kollerstrom, the Holocaust denier and astrologist we looked at the other week. Final paragraphs:[Kollerstrom represents] a unique political movement, made possible by the internet and existing as an informal fusion between far-left and far-right forces; forces which regard themselves as anti-imperialist, anti-war (or, rather, since they have a regard for “resistance” fighters in Hamas, Hizbollah and the Taliban, “anti-Western”) and anti-Zionist.
It is where Gilad Atzmon (the anti-Jewish Jew), the folk of the “pro-Palestinian” Deir Yassin Remembered who sympathise with the old Nazi Ernst Zundel, meet the Socialist Worker’s Party, hook up with Dieudonne Mbala, link to old US lefties like Ralph Schoenman, hobnob with believers in the blood libel such Israel Shamir. The right-wingers at anti-war.com share columns with the supposed lefties at Counterpunch, and are referenced by pro-Milosevic Serbs, Russian nationalists and conspiracy loons.
They are, in electoral or mass terms, insignificant. Whether they poison the minds of too many silly Kollerstroms is another question. I think they do.Atzmon?
American Dream » Fri Dec 26, 2014 6:22 pm wrote:Jeff » Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:23 am wrote:Good discussion, bad subject line.
I don't think Atzmon is what we talk about when we talk about Krishnamurti. And after the forum's latest near-death experience in our last Atzmon thread, I think I need to be clear upfront in this one: I'll regard advocacy here for Atzmon as a violation of RI's posting guidelines.
Searcher and WR, is there any stretch of the imagination whatsoever by which you would urge us to consider by which you could say that I am the one who engaged in advocacy for Atzmon?
American Dream » Fri Dec 26, 2014 2:22 pm wrote:Jeff » Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:23 am wrote:Good discussion, bad subject line.
I don't think Atzmon is what we talk about when we talk about Krishnamurti. And after the forum's latest near-death experience in our last Atzmon thread, I think I need to be clear upfront in this one: I'll regard advocacy here for Atzmon as a violation of RI's posting guidelines.
Searcher and WR, is there any stretch of the imagination whatsoever by which you would urge us to consider by which you could say that I am the one who engaged in advocacy for Atzmon?
American Dream » Fri Dec 26, 2014 1:53 pm wrote:So WR and Searcher is there any consideration that you will do of the possibility that what you both did was egregiously wrong?
Because it is patently obvious to me based on the facts and claims proffered that it was.
Or is this to be a place where racist and/or far right conspiracy propaganda is welcome and left critiques are not, never mind what Jeff Wells' intentions are for this place?
American Dream » Fri Dec 26, 2014 3:35 am wrote:I can't ignore the elephant in the room: Searcher, what exactly did you report me for? And was getting me suspended for two weeks the outcome you were seeking?
American Dream » Fri Dec 26, 2014 2:33 pm wrote:WR, I wish you well, but I honestly don't feel good about the claims made and the evidence offered here in this thread.
So while I would have liked to see more positive outcomes here, I will let it go at that.
American Dream » 26 Dec 2014 10:58 wrote:So what can we do to make things better?
Or should this to be a place where racist and/or far right conspiracy propaganda are made more welcome and left critiques not, never mind what Jeff Wells' intentions are for this place?
By the way, I see that as a shared responsibility and am perfectly willing to do my part in that effort.
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