Why is Counterpunch vile?

[Sounder]

Mac, I don't like your attitude- or your manner of argumentation-

Ah- the old imperial diktat comes down again, off to the netherworld for you Mac.

Anyone that has the gall to suggest that pussy riot are western NGO tools are clearly advancing an anti-Semitic theme.

[MacCruiskeen]

Mac, I don't like your attitude- or your manner of argumentation- so I'm putting you on "ignore" now. It's been a long time coming, and it's really for the best.

Your own "manner of argumentation" is a joke, but it's about as funny as a Charlie Hebdo title-page. You would not know a rational argument if it were sent to you with bows on by Ludwig Wittgenstein in person.

You are a fraud and a fake. You were no less slippery and evasive during all the years I was perfectly polite to you, and I have barely been less than perfectly polite to you even here. And if you now detect some slight testiness after all your slow-dripping provocation, then you know damn well why. This thread speaks for itself.

I know your little game, matey.

[MacCruiskeen]

This is a discussion board.

[stillrobertpaulsen]

Mac, I don't like your attitude- or your manner of argumentation- so I'm putting you on "ignore" now. It's been a long time coming, and it's really for the best.

Mac, you're in good company. AD did the same thing to me and for the same reason. In fact, he has done this to so many posters here (yet somehow manages by his own admission to "peek" at your posts at random) it beggars the questions: is AD really interested in dialogue on this forum at all? Or is it really just a monologue with the occasional sycophantic amen? Why, after multiple entreaties by the mods to find a "different approach" do we see more of the same MO? Does he, despite his complaints to contrary, actually enjoy the conflict he engenders?

edited for grammatical error

[coffin_dodger]

This thread is sorely lacking in pictures of aggressive, muscular, sweaty youths carrying clubs or shouting at cowering old people, against a backdrop of red and black flags.

Perhaps it may also benefit from some Fascist iconography in the form of a swastika or two. Oh, and an octopus encompassing the globe.

[MacCruiskeen]

^^Yes, robertpaulsen, "retreat via ignore", as you say on that page -- i.e., on p. 530 of yet another 850-page American Dream solipsism-fest. (I'm being polite.) The themes of these marathon threads range from Why The Hippies Were In Fact the CIA to (ringing the changes) Why Every Left Publication Should Be Regarded With Deep Suspicion.

One has to wonder what kind of a "very busy" "social-justice activist" would have the time, the energy or even the inclination to post acre upon acre of this stuff, day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day, and no inclination whatsoever to back any of it up with any words of his own.

It's a profound mystery.

ON EDIT: green added.

[American Dream]

More from the Spanish Prisoner:

Gilad Atzmon Knocks Down Straw Men, CounterPunch is Impressed



It had been a while since I’d seen anything by Gilad Atzmon in CounterPunch, so I thought maybe they had lost interest in him. Unfortunately, I was wrong about that. On March 8, they posted an article by him entitled Is Palestinian Solidarity an Occupied Zone? It begins:

Once involved with Palestinian Solidarity you have to accept that Jews are special and so is their suffering; Jews are like no other people, their Holocaust is like no other genocide and anti Semitism, is the most vile form of racism the world has ever known and so on and so forth.

Atzmon doesn’t name anyone who says this. I don’t know of anyone in the Palestinian solidarity movement who says such things. Atzmon continues:

But when it comes to the Palestinians, the exact opposite is the case. For some reason we are expected to believe that the Palestinians are not special at all – they are just like everyone else. Palestinians have not been subject to a unique, racist, nationalist and expansionist Jewish nationalist movement, instead, we must all agree that, just like the Indians and the Africans, the Palestinian ordeal results from run-of-the-mill 19th century colonialism – just more of the same old boring Apartheid.

Again, Atzmon doesn’t identify who is saying these things. No doubt, this is because he can’t. I think I should point out that here in the U.S., simply using the word “apartheid” in connection with Israel can get one in a lot of hot water. Doing such a thing requires a certain amount of courage.

From this, Atzmon segues into an aesthetic criticism of the Palestinian Solidarity movement:

Can you think of any other liberation or solidarity movement that prides itself in being boring, ordinary and dull?

I have met a number of people in the Palestinian solidarity movement, and they are among the least boring people I have ever met. One must admit here that Atzmon is not boring himself. Unfortunately, that is the only thing one can say for him.

Palestinian Solidarity is an occupied zone and, like all such occupied zones must dedicate itself to the fight against ‘anti Semitism’.

Ah, now we see what’s really bugging Atzmon. It seems that his tender feelings have been hurt by all those people who have called him an anti-Semite. Of course, that does tend to happen when you say things that are anti-Semitic. Life can be funny sometimes.

Atzmon then delivers his knock-out punch:

Dutifully united against racism, fully engaged with LGBT issues in Palestine and in the movement itself, but for one reason or another, the movement is almost indifferent towards the fate of millions of Palestinians living in refugee camps and their Right of Return to their homeland.

That’s right! All those people who have dedicated their lives to the Palestinian struggle – sometimes at great personal cost – have done so because they basically don’t give a shit about the Palestinians!

What a brilliant insight!

Why the hell do the editors of CounterPunch insult the intelligence of their readers by posting such gobbledegook? I am at a a complete loss to try to explain this.

As for Atzmon, I can’t see why he’s being so petulant. Things are actually looking up for him. At a special conference held by the Socialist Workers Party of Britain this past weekend, the leadership defeated motions put forward by the opposition, causing many of the latter to resign. This means that Atzmon’s good buddy, Martin Smith will soon be back on the SWP’s Central Committee, and they will soon be again sponsoring concerts featuring Atzmon playing the saxophone in front of empty seats. Good times!

http://thespanishprisoner.com/2013/03/1 ... impressed/

[MacCruiskeen]

I have just complained to the moderators about this thread, for the second time tonight.

This is a Discussion Board.

[coffin_dodger]

Dunno why dudes is bitchin' on AD so bad - I've tried to explain before that he's an extremely reliable and transparent mouthpiece for SystemThink.
He absolutely and unfailingly transmits the cutting-edge current thinking on maintaining the status quo, continously, as it evolves, in real time.
What more of a gift could a politically-interested RI'er want?
Behold the constant, daily swamping of the RI active topics list with the "THIS IS WHAT THOU SHALT THINK UPON" topics of enormous diversity from AD. Kind of like real life msm narratives, no?
Sit back, kick off yer shoes and watch where we're headed next courtesy of The American Dream.

[seemslikeadream]

as of
Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:10 pm

AD has mention the names of these people who he does not want to be mentioned here

I need to update because this is over a year old so there are many more to add to the list

AD is the ONLY one that mentions the names of people that shouldn't be mentioned here?

That leaves one to wonder just what is he doing?


Shamir - with 24 mentions

following in 2nd place

Carto - with 17 mentions

tied for 3rd place are

Hoffman - 16 mentions

Springmeier - 16 mentions

trailing behind is

Atzmon - 13 mentions

2nd to last place

Icke - with a 12 mentions

and in LAST place....who'd believe it?

Rense with a measly 11 mentions


keep it classy AD....you are the best of the best

[MacCruiskeen]

And for the fucking record:

1. I have no time for Israel fucking Shamir.

2. I have frequently been deeply annoyed by various contributors to Counterpunch, including its (now-deceased) editor Alexander fucking Cockburn, for instance. I explained why here, and elsewhere:

http://qlipoth.blogspot.de/2006/09/five ... kburn.html

http://qlipoth.blogspot.de/2006/09/suff ... lefts.html

3. There are many valuable things in Counterpunch almost every day.

4. This thread, the OP and the thread-title are a grotesque piece of deliberate flamebait -- a terrible (and deliberate) waste of everyone's time.

5. This is a Discussion Board, not the private Data Dump of someone who refuses to discuss anything ever, and who places on "ignore" anyone who has the temerity to challenge his majesty.

[seemslikeadream]

since Sept 5 2013 AD has mentioned Shamir's name another 35 times ....no one else has mentioned his name ..except for solace I imagine

Carto another 17 times ...no one else has mentioned his name...except for solace I imagine

Hoffman another 15 times no one else has mentioned his name...except for solace I imagine

Springmeier 12 more times no one else has mentioned his name...except for solace I imagine

Atzmon 51 more times no one else has mentioned his name...except for solace I imagine

Icke too many to count

Rense 15 more times no one else has mentioned his name...except for solace I imagine

[Searcher08]

The game:

How to maximise your domination and disruption of those who do not agree with you.

Assuming there is only one of you - you need to get the most persistant screen acreage and on-going disruption for your posts.


1 Create a series of posts which are around a theme but which have titles that are non-specific and often emotionally loaded titles

It would be similar to this:

Evil of cats, dogs, and animal abuse
Who are the hurt cats?
Hatred - A history of animal abusers
A class analysis of cats and dogs
Dog beaters and cats
International animal abusers
Maimed - early dog abuse
Fight back - global cat abuse

2 These blurry-boundaried threads will be launched at intervals of several weeks [b]and items from one can then be cross-posted into others

3 The effect of cross-posting is that of a force multiplier -
A single article can be cross-posted multiple times across multiple threads (sometimes within a single thread!) and the result of this is to give the appearance that the front page is full of articles about the subject area.

4 Ignore the fact that one's articles are not receiving responses and continue adding articles. This will result in long threads that may have a very low percentage of responses occupying General Discussion.

The limited responses there are will still be doing your work for you - even if they are against you, they will put keep your post on the front page, so people who object to what is being done, will post and thereby perpetuate the game in your favour.

These Threads over time grow into personal link and article collections, wherein they will act as collection points for serarch engines to drive traffic to these links.

The longer this goes on, the easier it gets, as there are multiple and ever-larger collections of links to cross-post between. You do not even have to mention you are cross-posting.

5 It also helps if there are some big reference sites to posts lots of links from, that way those sites make it to the front page consistently, and will show up many times in a single thread. So for example having a source like libcom will supply (actually hundreds of CopyPasta articles

6 This process will probably be picked up by people, but it is easy to derail resistance by personalising it or trolling the person concerned - never talk about the process, only talk about the person (you or them)

7 If all else fails, make it really personal and claim victimhood, just divert from the game.
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Now as for the ethics of doing this...

If I S08 spawned a new thread every month or so on vague variations of Artificial Intelligence

Such as
AI and patriarchal Marxism
Will robots be anti-Semites?
Dominator culture and Neural interfaces
Sex Worker Robots and the single AI
The economics of Androids
etc etc

I could then fill in slow newsweeks with images and Animated GIFS now and then.

and then every few days post from a Stumbleupon or Reddit source and every two weeks cross-posted between these theads, within a few months I would be able to have these constantly in the First Division of General Discussion. It would make NO DIFFERENCE that NO ONE EVER REPLIED, and cross-posting means minimal work for maximum domination, and as they grow, more and more of RI traffic will go to them, because they are effectively my own parasitic private link farms, and anytime ANY objection (as a post) is made, it just increases the number of posts in the thread and keeps it where I want it.

In communication bandwidth, this is like creating amyloid plaque in the R.I. brain.
Regulars may have noticed the difference in board culture when this was NOT happening.
The reason for this was a higher 'page 1' turn-over on General Discussion. This was because DISCUSSION was taking place.

I did extensive forensics into this, mapping out the posting strategies used.
I stand by every assertion here.

What would I like to have happen?

Well, I have some thoughts about that.

[solace]

Jesus on a sodacracker. Pretty much every responder on this thread is one of the vile creatures I have on ignore. SO, even though I can't see their doubtless BS I know you ain't getting any pudding AD. Probably a lotta chickenshit though.

[MacCruiskeen]

Posted to the mods as a report:

Jesus on a sodacracker. Pretty much every responder on this thread is one of the vile creatures I have on ignore. SO, even though I can't see their doubtless BS I know you ain't getting any pudding AD. Probably a lotta chickenshit though.

Please explain precisely how this contributes to the healthy functioning of the RI Discussion Board and why it is still tolerated by the Moderators.