Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

[8bitagent]

Nope. Not going to watch it. Which brings me to, why? Why, why, why is this positively disgusting and yet newsmaking? If the "USA's" role in this is clean why not just cut the shit and simply say that old rightist maxim "turn that desert to glass"? You know "we" can do it, so if you're so terrifying, let's just cut to the chase to spare the entire world from this sort of newsmaking horror -- shit that gives children nightmares. We can destroy you, within moments, so let's take your motherfucking masks off and see who the fuck you are. I believe that something nefarious is indeed happening, but not how any of it is being portrayed.

Having just watched the amazing 2010 Nightmare on Elmstreet series documentary "Never Sleep Again", I interpret what you wrote in a new light. Reports yesterday claim an American woman is being held hostage by
da D'aesh/ISIS/ISIL/Islamic State. Lordys knows what "they" have in store for the sacrifice

ALSO ONE THING NOONE IN THE NEWS MEDIA MENTIONS: there'd be no ISIS if America listened to Michael Moore at the 2003 Academy Awards

[8bitagent]

If you have not seen the Frontline episode "Losing Iraq" it is worth watching. Although it is encumbered by the usual corporate view (in which I included the Corporation for Public Broadcasting to a softer degree) it does evince the attitude and idiocy of the military and policy elite. Seriously, the shit they come up with, and there is no one in the room who says, "you're joking, right?" Occasionally there are, and they are men of rank and experience, but they are ignored in the name of an intensely patriotic drive for short term profit. You got to see this Bremer character in action talking about how he had to sneak out of the country....

Personally I think ISISL is real. I also believe the US and Europe are not beyond trying to manipulate them and or be hoodwinked by them. The price of oil is now already dangerously low to the point of squeezing profits. So in a sense it doesn't matter if there is a blockade of the Straits of Hormuz. The anit-Assad forces now have far too much ordinance to be routed by conventional means, and most if not all have proven predictably untrustworthy and far more likely to join Jihad than any western sponsored alliance. Therefore, I fear that JSOC will come up with some kind of diabolical plan wherein I can imagine someone saying "Yeah, we'll show those fuckers, after we flatten the city and they evacuate we will make the highway of death look like a Girl Scout parade." In short, when they come to that point, and it may not be far off, they will want something far more spectacular than removing a photographer's head. It will be something far more civilized and much, much, scarier than that.

I also do believe "ISIS" is real in that all of the horror attributed to them is real( I dont buy the theories of fake beheadings, wrong shadows, etc as much as anaomalous video artifacts seem evidence in most of these jihadi vids since 9/11) but I can't help but feel they themselves by agencies outside of even the usual US/UK/OIL ARAB/NATO suspects (corporations? families?) are shoehorning them into a very specific august purpose. Obviously they are being summarily eviscerated by the US/Kurd/Iraq/Iran/Jordan/UK motely crew in terms of military setbacks...but on another level, they seem to be all too specific and purposeful bread crumbs. Leading us to somewhere. OR maybe it will simply be Christopher Walken trying to open up the head of a grey repotid at the end of communion. Questions/answers/questions/nothing. The fever lies still.

[Elvis]

ISISL has taken on a life of its own and is determined to establish a united Caliphate, absorbing and doing away with the divisive map-making of Sykes and Picot. The men of the house of Saud are shaking in their sandals.

I'm listening to Paul Williams, author of the new book, Operation Gladio: The Unholy Alliance between the Vatican, the CIA, and the Mafia, talk about Gladio on the radio. ( http://www.amazon.com/Operation-Gladio- ... 49744/ctoc )

He's clear that Gladio 'extends to the present day' and he makes a good case for a united Caliphate being a strategic CIA goal -- to control Central Asian, oil and 'check' Russia and China. In this (rather likely, if you ask me) scenario, ISISL was brought about primarily to remove Assad, but further serves to help create a new Ottoman Empire, as Williams puts it. Saudi Arabia has been in on it, he says, but I'm guessing the Saud family is expendable in this effort (unless the plan is for the Saudi king to be the new Caliph).

Williams seems thorough. He's said a couple of things I didn't like, but he's really done some homework.

This is not a bad program for the festering "Coast to Coast AM" show; unfortunately the host is George Noory but he seems to be paying attention, and they're covering the whole gamut of false flags -- using those words. Overall, he has some great stuff on Gladio.

Williams just said: "When an ISIS jihadi is injured in Syria, they're taken to Israeli hospitals."

[82_28]

8bit wrote

ALSO ONE THING NOONE IN THE NEWS MEDIA MENTIONS: there'd be no ISIS if America listened to Michael Moore at the 2003 Academy Awards

INDEED, INDEED. Not because I am a mega fan, like MEGA FAN, but he totally pulled out all the stops that a mere human could do. Very brave man.

[The Consul]

Speaking of that year of AAwards: Aleppo, Deir ez-Zor,Homs now look increasingly like the scenery in The Pianist. The "fictitious war by a fictitious president" as Moore intoned has led to an incalculable loss of human life, treasure and culture. Though Moore was booed and Brody got a standing ovation, neither display mattered much beyond the Dolby Theater. Too bad reality television can't set up shop in one of those cities. Show what life lessons there are when you have to hang sheets in the streets to block the snipers view so your kids can kick around a soccer ball amid the rubble.

Too bad the docu statue doesn't go to someone like Peter Joseph, even if he is a crank. Make people question. Too bad, but it wouldn't make much of a difference. What you going to do, go up to get the award, not take it, look around befuddled, like a demented man lost in the park, peak under the podium, in the cleavage of the sequined presenter girl, down your wrinkled rented tuxedo pants and say "that singularity has got to be around here somewheres....:

[82_28]

One thing for sure is that that little speech got him out of the potential running for the bush crime family assassination award. I saw him once down in Olympia and the guy is real, not an act. He simply said what half of America thought as well and on the biggest stage. All of our huge marches against the beginning of all this were panned by media. Seattle's was HUGE! When we got home to see what kind of coverage it got -- next to nothing. I wish I still had the photos I took. But I would say, just in Seattle somewhere between 50 and 100k marchers on that initial march. People as far as the eye could see and all in unison and also BEFORE "social media" and camera phones. We tried. We really did. All of us, worldwide.

[The Consul]

I was somewhere in the massive crowd.

http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=36081

[Nordic]

I guess someone is going to post how the "shadows are wrong" in the burning of a human being alive in a cage. Good grief(and yes Im more than aware ISIS is most likely part of some Satanic globalist propaganda coup)

What kind of bullshit is that? The shadows WERE wrong in the Japanese-themed video. It was composited. This new video is equally janky in so many other ways, but the actual burning looks real. Doesn't mean that it IS real. It only looks real, but so do a lot of Hollywood movies these days. Like I said, watch "Fury" and there's a scene where a guy burns to death that looks as real as this.

That doesn't MEAN that it's fake. It just simply isn't clear if it's real or not. The thing is nowadays -- YOU CAN'T TELL with this kind of thing.

[Sounder]

8bitagent » Wed Feb 04, 2015 3:41 am wrote:

I guess someone is going to post how the "shadows are wrong" in the burning of a human being alive in a cage. Good grief(and yes Im more than aware ISIS is most likely part of some Satanic globalist propaganda coup)

So, do you accept SITE as being a legitimate source, for like anything?

[Nordic]

Food for thought:

https://www.zionoil.com/


Zion Oil seems to desire the same territory as the original 12 Tribes of Israel. Which, coincidentally, seems to cover a lot of the same ground as ISIS.

I'm a coincidence theorist thanks to Jeff.

Probably deserves its own thread. Naomi Wolf has been posting about Zion Oil on FB and who's involved etc. etc. Pretty damn interesting.

[8bitagent]

ISISL has taken on a life of its own and is determined to establish a united Caliphate, absorbing and doing away with the divisive map-making of Sykes and Picot. The men of the house of Saud are shaking in their sandals.

This is not a bad program for the festering "Coast to Coast AM" show; unfortunately the host is George Noory but he seems to be paying attention, and they're covering the whole gamut of false flags -- using those words. Overall, he has some great stuff on Gladio.

Williams just said: "When an ISIS jihadi is injured in Syria, they're taken to Israeli hospitals."

To be fair, at least reporting wise, it has been FSA rebels and "moderate" jihadists being treated, flown to and attended to by the IDF. Though, funny how Israel the Syrian fighter jets or positions theyve shot down and attacked
were all in the process of fighting ISIS and Jabhat al-Nusra positions.

The strange, sad thing is Netanyahu deliberately and continually conflates Hezbollah and Hamas with ISIS virtually every chance Bibi gets. So does his cabinet and IDF spokespeople. Now I don't know why Iran's Hezbollah within Southern Lebanon is allegedly attacking IDF forces bring things back to the 2006 war. But if Israel is allegedly under some existential threat from ISIS, and ISIS and Iran are battling in Iraq...why not put aside differences...
well, in this ever moving kabuki, it's very telling there has not been a single action by Israel against the Islamic State/D'aesh/ISIS. In fact, 9/11 and al Qaeda godfathers Saudi Arabia(a silent Israel ally of the last decade plus) seems to exhibit more of a worry about the Islamic State than Israel.

Funny that. And we know Turkey is pretty much ISIS main benefactor

[8bitagent]

8bit wrote

ALSO ONE THING NOONE IN THE NEWS MEDIA MENTIONS: there'd be no ISIS if America listened to Michael Moore at the 2003 Academy Awards

INDEED, INDEED. Not because I am a mega fan, like MEGA FAN, but he totally pulled out all the stops that a mere human could do. Very brave man.

I don't know what he has been up to since the pretty good 2010 Capitalism a love story(other than the tweets attacking American Sniper)
but who in the hell had the balls in front of zillions of people to call out Bush as an illegitimate illegal president and the coming invasion in Iraq
as completely based on a lie...in February of 2003? I mean, hats off to this man...to the boos of "liberal" Hollywood

[8bitagent]

One thing for sure is that that little speech got him out of the potential running for the bush crime family assassination award. I saw him once down in Olympia and the guy is real, not an act. He simply said what half of America thought as well and on the biggest stage. All of our huge marches against the beginning of all this were panned by media. Seattle's was HUGE! When we got home to see what kind of coverage it got -- next to nothing. I wish I still had the photos I took. But I would say, just in Seattle somewhere between 50 and 100k marchers on that initial march. People as far as the eye could see and all in unison and also BEFORE "social media" and camera phones. We tried. We really did. All of us, worldwide.

9/11, 9/11, 9/11...ok. But good god, even a pre awakend me could see as Im sure most everyone on RI and activist circles that it was a hoax as plain as day. You go back to every single Fox, MSNBC, CNN, ABC interview and it's all um...uh...well you see...and... by the "analysts", think tanks, DC wonks, neocon cabinet and talking heads regarding their "evidence" that Iraq was involved in 9/11(meanwhile there is a Homer's Odyssey worth of material alone proving America's BFF Saudi Arabia was instrumental in Sept 11th) or had any form of weapons of even mild disruption. I mean this wasn't the 1800's....it wasn't the early or mid 1900s. How in the hell in 2002 and 2003 could people be so easily fooled? So yes, indeed hats off to Michael Moore...maligned beyond belief by the right, libertarians and sadly even some on the left

Also people forget the US pretty much stoked both the Shia and Sunni militants into a civil war, stood by as the most valuable artifacts in the world from mankind civilization were looted and destroyed and did everything possible to ensure every Iraqi was either humiliated(tens of thousands of household violent home invasions), killed or traumatized and wounded.

[8bitagent]

I guess someone is going to post how the "shadows are wrong" in the burning of a human being alive in a cage. Good grief(and yes Im more than aware ISIS is most likely part of some Satanic globalist propaganda coup)

What kind of bullshit is that? The shadows WERE wrong in the Japanese-themed video. It was composited. This new video is equally janky in so many other ways, but the actual burning looks real. Doesn't mean that it IS real. It only looks real, but so do a lot of Hollywood movies these days. Like I said, watch "Fury" and there's a scene where a guy burns to death that looks as real as this.

That doesn't MEAN that it's fake. It just simply isn't clear if it's real or not. The thing is nowadays -- YOU CAN'T TELL with this kind of thing.

But Nordic that's the rub. Going back to the Saudi intel jacked "OBL in an Afghan tent confession" to the John Kerry October surprise OBL tape and the 2007 OBL tapes and even the Ayman al-Zwahiri rants; all these jihadi videos contain unexplainable edits, strange artifacts etc. The unwillingness to show the actual beheadings of all those US/UK hostages by the Islamic State coupled with other odd incongruities...I can't explain it.
I almost wonder if it's intentional to seed doubt. But I sadly do not believe any of these executed hostages are alive. And this latest horror show(culiminating with the buldozing of the charred body at the end of the video) doesn't seem fake to me. Overproduced like a kid trying to show off all the post production he has access too, sure. But it just doesn't seem fake as far as the death.

[8bitagent]

Anyways regardless of anything, I can't help but thing they're saving the most horrifying snuff film fate for that 26 year old female American hostage. Like trying to watch Salo or A Serbian film and watching the horror show get progressively terrible.

Of course, when you see images of slaves with their backs rinded off...Japanese in WW2 burned to a crisp by the American military...Panamanians melted into jelly by experimental US Stealth rays in 1989...and of course the endless gruesome photos of Muslim victims to the US and NATO in Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan and Pakistan...
it's hard to take all these cable media news anchors talking of the sheer depravity of ISIS without some god damn context. I mean we now know the full range of the pedo snuff reign of terror in Abu Gharib even in the mainstream
but of course, the US and allies can do no wrong!