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2016 Presidential Election

Postby Iamwhomiam » Tue Mar 24, 2015 4:17 pm

Well Teddy "Bear" Cruz, announced his candidacy. Odd thing is, he is Canadian born, and ineligible to hold this office. :shock:

Lynchburg, Va.

Facing a rapt audience as he launched his long-expected bid for the presidency at Liberty University on Monday, U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz delivered a rousing 30-minute speech in which he pledged to "reignite the promise of America."

That he chose this bastion of Christian conservatism to launch his campaign and become the first candidate in what is expected to be a crowded field seeking the Republican nomination is not surprising.

The university, nestled in the Appalachian foothills of southern Virginia, has been a magnet for Republican aspirants in recent years. Former Texas Gov. Rick Perry, a potential 2016 rival, spoke here in 2011, on his way to his first presidential bid. He was followed by former Minnesota U.S. Rep. Michele Bachmann and eventual 2012 GOP nominee Mitt Romney.

Each candidate has come with their own agenda.

For Cruz, his pilgrimage to Liberty served as the springboard for a somewhat long-shot grassroots campaign to battle not only liberals and Democrats but also the more establishmentarian elements of the Republican Party, represented by Texas native Jeb Bush, the former Florida governor who many see as the undeclared front-runner.

Some of the shock troops in that campaign might be found in schools like Liberty, founded in 1971 as Lynchburg Baptist College, where Cruz received a warm, enthusiastic welcome.

The gathering was like any other Monday convocation under the Vine Center's white, 10,000-seat dome on the sprawling campus, except the students were handed little American flags to wave on their way through the double-glass doors.

"I believe God isn't done with America," Cruz said to a raucous standing ovation. "I believe in you. I believe in the power of millions of courageous conservatives rising up to reignite the promise of America. And that's why today I am announcing that I am running for president of the United States."

The announcement was met with chants of "USA! USA!" Students mobbed the senator as he left the four-sided arena stage posing for photos and exchanging personal greetings.

"He's going to be the next president of the United States," said Jarryn Bailey, a 19-year-old international relations major from Colorado Springs. "We're going to make it happen. He is anointed by God." :playharp: :roll:

Cruz's speech dovetailed with Christian-themed rock music and prayer at the nation's largest Christian university, a modern evangelical citadel founded by the late Rev. Jerry Falwell.

The founder's son, University President Jerry Falwell Jr., called it an historic moment both for Cruz and the school, which had to reschedule a planned appearance by Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe in order to accommodate Cruz's decision to move up the timing of his announcement.

Falwell stopped short of an endorsement, but praised Cruz as ''a man of character."

Most of the students in the packed arena responded enthusiastically, despite a smattering of empty seats and red "Rand" t-shirts in support of Kentucky U.S. Sen. Rand Paul, who also is expected to announce soon.

Cruz was accompanied by his wife Heidi, on leave from her job as an executive at Goldman Sachs, and their two young daughters. All four took part in the stage rehearsals over the weekend.

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Re: 2016 Presidential Election

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Tue Mar 24, 2015 4:54 pm

Cruz is absolutely a viable candidate. (Ask yourself why else they would be spending money.)

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... president/

So is he eligible? The vast majority of legal thought and arguments indicate he is.

Is there the tiniest sliver of uncertainty? Yes, there’s that, too.
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Re: 2016 Presidential Election

Postby Iamwhomiam » Tue Mar 24, 2015 5:51 pm

You know, this is quite similar to our last go-round. Obama and McCain. McCain was born in Panama before we created the law declaring foreign born children of US citizens in service to the USA, would be granted full citizenship. The Senate resolved the issue by declaring both candidates full citizenship, making each eligible.

I do not believe Cruz can make the same argument. He was born in Canada and his parents both worked for the oil industry.
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Re: 2016 Presidential Election

Postby zangtang » Tue Mar 24, 2015 5:55 pm

"He's going to be the next president of the United States," said Jarryn Bailey, a 19-year-old international relations major from Colorado Springs. "We're going to make it happen. He is anointed by God."

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Re: 2016 Presidential Election

Postby Iamwhomiam » Tue Mar 24, 2015 6:07 pm

^^^^ That's the line that made reading it worthwhile!

If he, Cruz, is granted citizenship it would be a mistake. A pregnant American woman marries a Syrian and her son is born and raised is Syria before coming to Harvard for his education, majoring in Poly Sci and afterwards he decides to run for office... - see where this is going? The perfect sleeper.

Pardon me, but Fuck Cruz.
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Re: 2016 Presidential Election

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Tue Mar 24, 2015 6:46 pm

Iamwhomiam » Tue Mar 24, 2015 5:07 pm wrote:If he, Cruz, is granted citizenship it would be a mistake.


Ted Cruz is a Senator.

He's already a US citizen.
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Levon Helm wasn't Canadian.

Postby IanEye » Tue Mar 24, 2015 6:59 pm

Ted Cruz meets the citizen criteria to be President in the same way McCain or Obama did.

The point is that all of the people that said if Obama had a birth certificate that wasn't from the 50 states then his Presidency would be nullified.

Well, those same people have no problem that Cruz has a birth certificate from Canada.

They're shitbags.
They're trolls.
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Re: 2016 Presidential Election

Postby Elvis » Tue Mar 24, 2015 7:27 pm

This is all I have to say. For now.


Gov. Jerry Brown's not perfect. But his head is on straight. He could shake up this race. He could add some meaning to this election circus. He's a longstanding national figure with a reputation for innovation and good leadership. He's very good in debates. He's got a cute, smart wife now (cuter than Hillary). Once people hear his plainly sensible ideas -- ideas proven to work -- they like him. In the 1992 primaries, despite all the poo-pooing by the Establishment, Brown was winning up until the final primary, in New York. He would've had the nomination if the Clinton side, with help from MSM, hadn't buried New York in a blizzard of lies about Brown's flat tax proposal. On the other hand, in the gubernatorial campaign when Brown re-took the office, Meg Whitman spent four times what Brown spent, and he kicked her ass.










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Re: 2016 Presidential Election

Postby coffin_dodger » Tue Mar 24, 2015 7:43 pm

Is this the same Gov Jerry Brown that the Dead Kennedys sang about back in the far, far flung past:

"California Uber Alles"

I am Governor Jerry Brown
My aura smiles
And never frowns
Soon I will be president...

Carter Power will soon go away
I will be Fuhrer one day
I will command all of you
Your kids will meditate in school
Your kids will meditate in school!

[Chorus:]
California Uber Alles
California Uber Alles
Uber Alles California
Uber Alles California

Zen fascists will control you
100% natural
You will jog for the master race
And always wear the happy face

Close your eyes, can't happen here
Big Bro' on white horse is near
The hippies won't come back you say
Mellow out or you will pay
Mellow out or you will pay!

[Chorus]

Now it is 1984
Knock-knock at your front door
It's the suede/denim secret police
They have come for your uncool niece

Come quietly to the camp
You'd look nice as a drawstring lamp
Don't you worry, it's only a shower
For your clothes here's a pretty flower.

DIE on organic poison gas
Serpent's egg's already hatched
You will croak, you little clown
When you mess with President Brown
When you mess with President Brown

[Chorus]
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Re: 2016 Presidential Election

Postby Harvey » Tue Mar 24, 2015 7:52 pm

Iamwhomiam » Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:17 pm wrote:"He's going to be the next president of the United States," said Jarryn Bailey, a 19-year-old international relations major from Colorado Springs. "We're going to make it happen. He is anointed by God." :playharp: :roll:
:barf:


Those emoticons are so good I had to see them twice. The most delicious irony of that quote is... Well, these sorts of people, if you ask them, "What do you think God really is?" after they've quoted the scripture, and while the glazed almost post coital look is still in their eyes, you ask them again. "But really, what do you think god really is?" There's that moment of almost fear, as though they sense a trap clicking wide open. But it's merely restfully, quietly closing.
And while we spoke of many things, fools and kings
This he said to me
"The greatest thing
You'll ever learn
Is just to love
And be loved
In return"


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Re: 2016 Presidential Election

Postby Harvey » Tue Mar 24, 2015 7:56 pm

Iamwhomiam » Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:17 pm wrote:"He's going to be the next president of the United States," said Jarryn Bailey, a 19-year-old international relations major from Colorado Springs. "We're going to make it happen. He is anointed by God." :playharp: :roll:
:barf:


Those emoticons are so good I had to see them twice. The most delicious irony of that quote is... Well, these sorts of people, if you ask them, "What do you think God really is?" after they've quoted the scripture, and while the glazed almost post coital look is still in their eyes, you ask them again. "But really, what do you think god really is?" There's that moment of almost fear, as though they sense a trap clicking wide open. But it's merely, quietly closing.
And while we spoke of many things, fools and kings
This he said to me
"The greatest thing
You'll ever learn
Is just to love
And be loved
In return"


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Re: 2016 Presidential Election

Postby Iamwhomiam » Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:50 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Tue Mar 24, 2015 6:46 pm wrote:
Iamwhomiam » Tue Mar 24, 2015 5:07 pm wrote:If he, Cruz, is granted citizenship it would be a mistake.


Ted Cruz is a Senator.

He's already a US citizen.


He is a naturalized citizen, just like any immigrant who has passed the exam. After seven years as such, one becomes eligible to hold congressional office. But becoming President has always been reserved to Citizens born on US Soil, at least until McCain. Perhaps you have no problem with a Cuban Canadian becoming our president, but I do. Full natural born on American soil citizen's rights is a bit different than those afforded immigrants. Cruz could be stripped of his citizenship, something not possible for natural born citizens. Those are the differences. I thank you for pointing out my need to be more explicit.

By your argument, (and yes, I'm being disparagingly inflammatory), any Muslim Imam who has been awarded US citizenship and has been here since 2006 could become president.

As I said, allowing Cruz to become an eligible candidate for our Presidency would set a very bad precedent for US politics, but probably a good thing for those working towards a world government, as it would make meaningless our borders.

Just my well informed opinion.

There has never been any credible challenge to Obama's being born in Hawaii, just senseless rants from the radical right.
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Re: 2016 Presidential Election

Postby 82_28 » Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:22 pm

Imagine an American Muslim man stands in front of an audience of 10,000 Muslims at a college in Virginia to announce that he's running for president. Imagine that audience applauds and cheers for much of what he says.

Imagine that Muslim presidential candidate starts his announcement with "I am thrilled to join you today at the largest Muslim university in the world." And then he continues by telling his family story as a tale of devotion to Islam, saying of his parents, "Imagine a young married couple, living together in the 1970s, neither one of them has a personal relationship with Allah." Imagine that he goes on to describe his parents' separation and his father's journey: "[W]hen he was in Houston, a friend, a colleague from the oil and gas business invited him to a Qu'ran study, invited him to a mosque on Clay Road, and there my father gave his life to Allah, blessed be his name." Imagine that the candidate concludes his parents' story with "There are people who wonder if faith is real. I can tell you, in my family there’s not a second of doubt, because were it not for the transformative love of Allah, I would not have been saved and I would have been raised by a single mom without my father in the household."

Imagine if that Muslim man proclaims that all of our rights come from Allah. Imagine that he promises "a president who says 'We will stand up and defeat radical Christian terrorism.'" Imagine him declaring that "America has enjoyed Allah's blessing" and "Allah’s blessing has been on America from the very beginning of this nation, and I believe Allah isn’t done with America yet" and ending with "Allah be praised." Imagine those thousands and thousands of gathered Muslims yelling their appreciation of the candidate.

That candidate would be laughed out of the election. That candidate wouldn't stand a flea fart's chance in a hurricane. We would be talking about whether he's a threat to the American way of life and whether he would impose Shariah law. But not Ted Cruz. We have to pretend to take him seriously because he's a Christian and just told the world that this is a Christian nation. We have to waste time and energy mocking this idiot, this future loser who sounds like a fifth-grade schoolmarm chiding her students for writing their cursive improperly.

But if you are a Christian devotee of Ted Cruz's and you read this, feeling even the slightest bit uncomfortable at the notion of the fantasy Muslim candidate, well, now you know how the rest of us feel about your man.

(Actually, you're probably thinking that we already have an evil Muslim president, so who cares about you.)


http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2015/03/ ... ement.html

And yes, coffin_dodger, the same Jerry Brown.

I saw a pithy and funny comment on slog that basically said "He has the most punchable face I've ever seen" (cruz). Another was "why does he always look wet?"

The only person at all that (probably won't run) I "want" is Elizabeth Warren -- as she stands the best chance for the idealistic (loser) standards I have.
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Re: 2016 Presidential Election

Postby 82_28 » Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:14 pm

I know it won't happen, but maybe dust off Howard Dean. Because really I don't give a fuck who the republican is because no republican will ever get my vote.

Are there any other likely people you guys would like to see?

I was thinking it would be funny to totally fuck with everybody's minds and have no president at all. Or at least nobody runs.
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Re: 2016 Presidential Election

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:29 pm

now that Bibi has been caught spying on the Iran negotiations and hand picking what information to secretly pass on to republican senators it is not out of the question ...Who would Bibi want?

maybe not Jeb ..James Baker sure isn't happy with the way Bibi is acting
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