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Postby semper occultus » Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:30 am

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... g-MPs.html


.....odd that Powell was an avowed political opponenet of Ted Heath who is the usual candidaye for chief politicial satanist of that era....I was getting Dominic Walker mixed up with Rev Kevin Logan at first reading...its a different bloke...but hardly adds a lot of weight to yet more nebualous rumour...


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Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby Searcher08 » Mon Mar 30, 2015 12:57 pm

Couple of things really leapt out of that.
First, an investigation into Satanic Ritual Abuse by the ....
London School of Economics???
Second, it mentioned Leo Abse, who seemed a much more likely candidate to me than Powell, with his connections to the milleau of the pedo-infiltrated gay rights ecosystem and friends with Viscount Tonypandy.
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Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby semper occultus » Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:13 am

Carol Kasir 'boasted about VIPs who visited Elm Guest House'

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Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby Searcher08 » Thu Apr 02, 2015 7:13 am

semper occultus » Thu Apr 02, 2015 8:13 am wrote:Carol Kasir 'boasted about VIPs who visited Elm Guest House'

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http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5532/ ... uest-house


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semper, I get the impression that Carole Kasir was not a villain in this process. From what I have read, I think she was quite pro gay rights and initially seemed to use the guest house as a safe hook-up place when such things were illegal - word of the convienient location and safety got around, and then other overlapping networks started using the space - what does one do if senior pols start turning up and doing bad things with senior police, senior pols, spooks, celebrities and criminals? I think the husband OTOH has been told to be silent or he will be killed.
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Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby semper occultus » Thu Apr 02, 2015 7:40 am

.....thanks searcher....they indeed examine those very points in the article...


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Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby semper occultus » Tue Apr 07, 2015 4:03 am

By SIMON DANCZUK FOR THE DAILY MAIL
PUBLISHED: 00:52, 4 April 2015 | UPDATED: 12:04, 4 April 2015

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... Clegg.html

Since I exposed Cyril Smith as a child abuser, my world has seemed to revolve around two types of people.

Former police officers who revealed they knew about him all along but had looked the other way or were silenced from on high.
And politicians who claim to have known nothing, but could have done plenty about it.

Ex-policeman Karl told me how in the early Eighties he had been on a CID training course in Wakefield.
A lecturer from the British Transport Police showed the hundred or so officers some security camera footage to illustrate how transport police could detect crime at key transport hubs.
‘Suddenly on the screen, there was footage from Euston of a guy approaching young boys at the station,’ Karl said. ‘It was a dirty old man trying it on with boys.’
There was a murmur of recognition. ‘That’s Cyril Smith,’ someone piped up. ‘Everyone realised it was him,’ said Karl.
So they were being shown a training video of Cyril Smith grooming boys? ‘Pretty much, yeah,’ he shrugged.
But didn’t you wonder why no one was doing anything about Smith? ‘I thought at the time someone should be doing something, but you don’t step on other people’s toes. I presumed Transport Police were dealing with it.’

Another former officer gave me details of Operation Cleopatra, which was launched in 1997 to investigate child abuse in children’s homes and schools across Greater Manchester.
One they looked at was Knowl View, a residential school in Rochdale for children with learning difficulties, where Smith had abused boys.

In 1999 this officer submitted a file recommending Smith be prosecuted for child abuse. But once again this fell on deaf ears. ‘They decided not to pursue him and I never saw my report again,’ he explained.
This had been going on for 40 years, ever since the police made their first inquiries about Smith and boys. But no one ever did anything. And the key question remains: why not?
I’d heard so many stories by now that I had no doubt this was a problem that extended further than Cyril Smith. I knew there must be other politicians involved. Why else would he be protected?

Other stories were now appearing in the newspapers linking MPs with the murder of children during depraved, violent orgies. I spoke to other officers about this and pressed everyone who came to me about it for information. But one thing held them back. There was an incredible fear of speaking out.

As the stakes were getting higher, I’d be passed on to colleagues who’d panic when I approached them and suggest I talk to someone else. Everyone I came across seemed to be touched by the same anxiety. And then I realised why.

The phone rang one afternoon and a woman said she wanted to talk about child abuse stories she’d seen in the newspapers. She was a lawyer who used to operate in Barnes, South-West London, and had represented a young client who had worked at Elm Guest House, which had long been suspected of being run as a gay brothel.

‘The police began to give him a hard time,’ she explained. ‘The questioning was getting a bit aggressive.’ When she tried to intervene, the police officer took her to one side.
He pulled out a police statement and flung it at her in disgust, she recalled. ‘He was angry and told me to read it because that’s why he had to push the lad.’
Up until that moment, she didn’t know much about what had happened at Elm Guest House. But as she began to read the statement before her, a chilling realisation of how serious this was began to dawn on her.
‘The statement was from a young man and detailed how his father had raped him and then told him he would be raped by other men there,’ she said. ‘Among those who had raped him were politicians.’
We were getting dangerously close to things that powerful people did not want ever to be made public. And those helping to break the silence were now coming under worrying pressure from above.

One of the stories I’d told in my book came from former Special Branch detective Tony Robinson, who revealed how a sex abuse dossier had been seized from Lancashire police by MI5.
I spoke to him again early this year after my book had come out. There was anger in his voice as he described a call he’d received out of the blue from Lancashire Police towards the end of 2014.
Now recovering from a serious illness, the frustration and tiredness in his voice were palpable.
‘A young officer called me and wanted to talk about Cyril Smith,’ he said. ‘I’ve been retired 31 years and never heard anything from the police. And now I suddenly get this call. It was obvious they were trying to warn me off. I found it very unnerving.’
A febrile mood was forming in police circles and I could only imagine the kind of calls that were being made, the pressure they were being put under.
‘Everyone’s trying to keep a lid on it,’ Robinson complained. ‘We really need to clean out the Augean stables.’



He even preyed on boys in jail

Steve was another informant who emerged from the past, after my book was published, with a harrowing story of Smith’s activities, this time at the Buckley Hall Young Offenders’ Institution in Rochdale.
He was 18 when he arrived there as an inmate at the beginning of the Eighties — and it wasn’t long before he encountered Smith.
Cyril — who appears to have had the run of the place — walked into his cell one afternoon and quietly closed the door. Before Steve had time to question who this giant of a man was, Smith was in his face, scolding him.
‘You’ve been a bad lad, haven’t you?’ he hissed. ‘I hear you’ve been giving other lads cigarettes. Hand them over.’
When Steve protested that he hadn’t got any cigarettes. Smith made him take his clothes off. ‘I need to search you thoroughly,’ he told him. He then told the naked teenager to bend over and he abused him.
The experience was so distressing that Steve trashed his cell, screamed for hours and beat his fists against the door until they bled.
But no one would believe him and he was eventually taken to Manchester’s Strangeways Prison and put in solitary confinement.
Back at Buckley Hall, Smith continued to be a frequent visitor.
No one challenged him and he was able to wander around the place and prey on boys for years. One police officer told me he suspected Smith had keys to the place.
Afterwards I lay on my bed for hours, staring at the ceiling and wondering what had just happened
His hold over those in charge there was such that a teenager named Dave, the prison’s table tennis champion, was ordered to play an exhibition match against Smith in December 1974 in front of inmates and staff — and to deliberately lose it to the superobese and unfit MP.
Four decades later, Dave described for me how ‘we were all assembled in the hall and this huge guy, like the Michelin man, came in. The top brass were fawning over him like he was royalty. I hadn’t a clue who he was. We began to play and, without thinking, I raced into a 7–0 lead.
‘I looked up and the screws were glaring at me. I’d better slow down.
‘I knew if I won another point and beat him I’d be in serious trouble. So I hit shots long, into the net, wide, anywhere but in.
Everyone could see I was throwing the game. When Smith won, he held up his arms and cheered.
“Well done, lad. You pushed me all the way there,” he said, lifting me off my feet. He buried my head in his giant folds of fat and fondled my buttocks. I was gasping for air.
‘Afterwards I lay on my bed for hours, staring at the ceiling and wondering what had just happened. What on earth was a person like him doing in a place like this?'
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Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby semper occultus » Tue Apr 07, 2015 12:33 pm

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.....presume this is the witness who was reported previously as being located in America...


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Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby semper occultus » Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:27 am

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http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/c ... 412975.ece



For the Crown Prosecution Service to have got to the public interest part of the two-tier test it applies before bringing criminal charges means the case passed the first hurdle, the evidential test.

And many will be asking, therefore, whether there was any way that Janner could have been charged, and his fitness to stand trial tested in front of the trial judge, after arguments from both sides.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015 ... ampaigners
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Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby semper occultus » Thu Jun 04, 2015 4:10 pm

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Police investigating child abuse claims on the island of Jersey say they are set to question 13 celebrities, politicians and sports stars.

Detectives have revealed that the prominent figures, who are 'well known' will be quizzed 'imminently' into allegations of institutionalised sex offences on the Channel island.

Their identities have not been revealed but police have said that 13 of the 45 suspects are public figures, including media personalities, politicians and sports people and they will be questioned as part of Operation Whistle.

The alleged abuse is said to have occurred between the late 1930s until the mid 2000s across four institutions, including the Haut de la Garenne children's home.
The other institutions, which have not been named, are no longer functioning.

Detective Superintendent Stewart Gull from States of Jersey Police, said his task force expects to begin interview with the suspects imminently.
He said that there are around 50 victims and 45 suspects - some of whom are dead or not yet identified.


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Detective Superintendent Stewart Gull of States of Jersey Police, who confirmed the majority of the abuse allegations date back to the 1970s and 80s


Mr Gull said: 'Some of them are celebrities, politicians, some of them are people in the media, some of them are sports people. These are people who are well known.'
'Some of them are still alive and some of them are deceased but we will not be disclosing more than that.
'Some of them were visitors to the island, some will have been resident.'

He also confirmed that the most historic cases date back to the late 1930s but the majority are from the 1970s and 1980s.

Mr Gull added: 'The most recent cases have been reported in the last five to ten years. There may be arrests made imminently.
'There will be interviews soon and some of the suspects will have to travel to the Island from the UK.'

It is understood that there may be some crossover with the Metropolitan Police’s Operation Yewtree investigation into sexual abuse carried out by the former children’s TV presenter, Jimmy Savile.
However, Savile is not believed to be one of the 13 prominent suspects identified but the force had fielded several further complaints about abuse carried out by him in the island.

An investigation was launched into allegations of historic child abuse in Jersey in 2007 with former children's home Haut de la Garenne becoming the focus.

By February 2008, the investigating team had received some claims about possible murders at Haut de la Garenne, a children's home for 86 years until it closed in 1986

There were also suggestions that human remains were entombed in concrete in the building but it later turned out to be a piece of coconut.
However, the investigation did show numerous instances of abuse against past residents, with one former staff member being convicted of abuse.
Gordon Wateridge, was found guilty of eight indecent assaults on teenage girls and jailed for two years in August.



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Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby Elvis » Thu Jun 04, 2015 6:40 pm

semper occultus » Thu Jun 04, 2015 1:10 pm wrote:
Police investigating child abuse claims on the island of Jersey say they are set to question 13 celebrities, politicians and sports stars.

Detectives have revealed that the prominent figures, who are 'well known' will be quizzed 'imminently' into allegations of institutionalised sex offences on the Channel island.

Their identities have not been revealed but police have said that 13 of the 45 suspects are public figures, including media personalities, politicians and sports people and they will be questioned as part of Operation Whistle.

The alleged abuse is said to have occurred between the late 1930s until the mid 2000s across four institutions, including the Haut de la Garenne children's home.
The other institutions, which have not been named, are no longer functioning.

Detective Superintendent Stewart Gull from States of Jersey Police, said his task force expects to begin interview with the suspects imminently.
He said that there are around 50 victims and 45 suspects - some of whom are dead or not yet identified.
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Mr Gull added: 'The most recent cases have been reported in the last five to ten years. There may be arrests made imminently.
'There will be interviews soon and some of the suspects will have to travel to the Island from the UK.'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ersey.html



Why are these investigations always "forthcoming"? Why are they announcing this?

To probe these urgent questions, we must immediately announce steps toward the appointment of a panel to study the commission of a board of inquiry to meet sometime later in the year.
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Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby semper occultus » Thu Jun 04, 2015 6:56 pm

.....getting monotonous isn't it ....and yet another operation....seems like there's so many hares been set running that you can't keep your eye on all the previously announced "operations" that never seem to actually produce anything tangible....
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Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

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Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby Searcher08 » Tue Jun 23, 2015 6:54 pm

http://www.parliament.uk/biographies/lords/lord-janner-of-braunstone/880

Public life
Post Organisation Date
Vice-President The Jewish Leadership Council 2010-
President Association of Jewish Ex-Servicemen and Women 2009-
Member of the Advisory Board Community Security Trust 2006- :sun:
(Leading ANTIFASCISM organisation)
Joint-President, Founder and Trustee The Coexistence Trust 2005-
Chairman Lord Forte Foundation 1995-11
Founder and President Maimonides Foundation 1993-02
Vice-President World Jewish Congress 1991-
Founder and President of World Executive International Parliamentary Council Against Anti-Semitism 1990-97 lulz :eeyaa
Founding Chairman International Council of Jewish Parliamentarians 1988-
Chairman and Co-Founder The Holocaust Educational Trust 1987-
President Jewish Museum 1985-01
Board of Directors United Jewish Israel Appeal 1985-
President and Co-Founder The Commonwealth Jewish Council 1982-
President REACH 1982-
President National Council of Soviet Jewry 1979-85
President The Board of Deputies of British Jews 1979-85
Vice-President Association for Jewish Youth 1970-

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Still a V.P.
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Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby semper occultus » Wed Jun 24, 2015 3:00 am

......it's all for charidee mate....


Savile ( right ) & Janner

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...kudos to Danzcuk for taking on a Labour scum-bag & by implication the party hierachy....
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Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby Searcher08 » Wed Jun 24, 2015 7:24 am

So to summarise, it seems to be the case that there are child abuser networks at the top of

The Northern Irish Protestant / Evangelical establishment
The Provisional IRA / Sinn Fein
The Security Services - both internal MI5 and external MI6
The BBC / UK Entertainment Industry
Banking
Local Government (Councils)
The National Health Service
The Prison Service
Multiple regional Police Forces and The Met
Social Services especially Care Home and Child Protection
The Liberal, Labour and Conservative political parties
Both Oxbridge and RedBrick Academia
The Legal Profession, especially The Judiciary
Israeli Lobby
The Catholic Church and the Church of England
The Royal Family
Government of Jersey


The Banking side would appear to be related to both the Israel Lobby and Jersey - the HDLG testimony referenced many instances of abuse on yachts off Jersey, which is a favourite bankers 'playground'.

(New groups added as raised)
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