Ryan Dawson

[RocketMan]

Oh, so an "anti-neocon" with "revisionist" views on the Holocaust... but JUST THE NUMBERS. Oookay, got it.

[stickdog99]

Why are current consensus estimates of the number of people who died in the Holocaust sacrosanct?

How many indigenous people did Columbus and his minions genocide? I bet none of you even know. But if you question 6 million you must be a crypto-Nazi?

Personally, I don't see the purpose of such questioning. But I also don't see why any such questioning means you are inherently terrible person. Some people just like to question everything they have been told. I find such people far more rigorous than those who do not question anything they are told. Of course, some of what we have been told must be true. Mustn't it?

[RocketMan]

Why are current consensus estimates of the number of people who died in the Holocaust sacrosanct?

How many indigenous people did Columbus and his minions genocide? I bet none of you even know. But if you question 6 million you must be a crypto-Nazi?

Personally, I don't see the purpose of such questioning. But I also don't see why any such questioning means you are inherently terrible person. Some people just like to question everything they have been told. I find such people far more rigorous than those who do not question anything they are told. Of course, some of what we have been told must be true. Mustn't it?

Not terrible, not crypto-nazi, just suspicious. Because why would it matter if the exact number was 4, 5, 6 or 7 million? I mean sure, if you're a historian specializing in the Third Reich and specifically the Shoah, sure, I can see it. Or if you're a Zionist using the number for propaganda ends. But for the purposes of historical analysis, speculating on the amount of millions of Jews murdered, IMO, as a rule, tends towards mitigating the crimes of Nazi Germany.

And there have been many excellent rebuttals here to the issue of "QUESTIONING EVERYTHING" and how rigorous that in fact is.

[Nordic]

Suspicious? I disagree. I'm one of those people who, realizing the extent to which we've been lied tonabout everything, also likes to investigate everything with fresh eyes. WW2 is especially fascinating for so many reasons.
And seeing how the Zionist state continues to constantly milk WW2 as an excuse for them to act like Nazis themselves, I don't see any reason not to look into it.

Personally I'm fascinated by Hitler's meteoric rise to rock-star status and I'm really interested in who quietly backed him, especially American and Beitish interests. I've also been interested in wrapping my head around the fact that he was just a man and not Satan incarnate. What kind of man does such a thing and actually succeeds to the level that Hitler did? It's really pretty fucking bizarre. And suspicious (speaking of suspicious).

[divideandconquer]

Suspicious? I disagree. I'm one of those people who, realizing the extent to which we've been lied tonabout everything, also likes to investigate everything with fresh eyes. WW2 is especially fascinating for so many reasons.
And seeing how the Zionist state continues to constantly milk WW2 as an excuse for them to act like Nazis themselves, I don't see any reason not to look into it.

Personally I'm fascinated by Hitler's meteoric rise to rock-star status and I'm really interested in who quietly backed him, especially American and Beitish interests. I've also been interested in wrapping my head around the fact that he was just a man and not Satan incarnate. What kind of man does such a thing and actually succeeds to the level that Hitler did? It's really pretty fucking bizarre. And suspicious (speaking of suspicious).

I totally agree. I question everything I've been indoctrinated to believe, especially subjects or issues that are considered taboo, and that includes the official story of WWII. It's 70 years later, and one can't question Zionist atrocities without being labeled an anti-Semite...yeah, something is very wrong

There is no doubt that Hitler had massive support from very powerful American individuals and American corporations, not to mention, there is plenty of evidence of the wide-ranging collaboration between Zionism and Hitler's Third Reich. After all, Zionists and Nazis shared similar ideologies about ethnicity and nationhood. Zionism is all about the recognition of the Jewish nation and Jewish race...establishing a Jewish state, which probably wouldn't have happened if not for the Holocaust.

On June 21, 1933, the the Zionist Federation of Germany submitted a detailed memorandum to the new government.

Zionism has no illusions about the difficulty of the Jewish condition, which consists above all in an abnormal occupational pattern and in the fault of an intellectual and moral posture not rooted in one's own tradition. Zionism recognized decades ago that as a result of the assimilationist trend, symptoms of deterioration were bound to appear ...

Zionism believes that the rebirth of the national life of a people, which is now occurring in Germany through the emphasis on its Christian and national character, must also come about in the Jewish national group. For the Jewish people, too, national origin, religion, common destiny and a sense of its uniqueness must be of decisive importance in the shaping of its existence. This means that the egotistical individualism of the liberal era must be overcome and replaced with a sense of community and collective responsibility ...

We believe it is precisely the new [National Socialist] Germany that can, through bold resoluteness in the handling of the Jewish question, take a decisive step toward overcoming a problem which, in truth, will have to be dealt with by most European peoples ...

Our acknowledgment of Jewish nationality provides for a clear and sincere relationship to the German people and its national and racial realities. Precisely because we do not wish to falsify these fundamentals, because we, too, are against mixed marriage and are for maintaining the purity of the Jewish group and reject any trespasses in the cultural domain, we -- having been brought up in the German language and German culture -- can show an interest in the works and values of German culture with admiration and internal sympathy ...

For its practical aims, Zionism hopes to be able to win the collaboration of even a government fundamentally hostile to Jews, because in dealing with the Jewish question not sentimentalities are involved but a real problem whose solution interests all peoples and at the present moment especially the German people ...

Boycott propaganda -- such as is currently being carried on against Germany in many ways -- is in essence un-Zionist, because Zionism wants not to do battle but to convince and to build ...

We are not blind to the fact that a Jewish question exists and will continue to exist. From the abnormal situation of the Jews severe disadvantages result for them, but also scarcely tolerable conditions for other peoples.

I think the Zionists were more than willing to tolerate the extermination of millions of Jews if it achieved their goal of a nation state. "History" conveniently forgets/ignores that which doesn't support the directive.

Between History and history there is a vast difference: The former makes the canons of aesthetics and morality; the latter is non-evaluative, shapeless." -- Ferdinand Lundberg, The Rich and the Super Rich

[RocketMan]

Suspicious? I disagree. I'm one of those people who, realizing the extent to which we've been lied tonabout everything, also likes to investigate everything with fresh eyes. WW2 is especially fascinating for so many reasons.
And seeing how the Zionist state continues to constantly milk WW2 as an excuse for them to act like Nazis themselves, I don't see any reason not to look into it.

Personally I'm fascinated by Hitler's meteoric rise to rock-star status and I'm really interested in who quietly backed him, especially American and Beitish interests. I've also been interested in wrapping my head around the fact that he was just a man and not Satan incarnate. What kind of man does such a thing and actually succeeds to the level that Hitler did? It's really pretty fucking bizarre. And suspicious (speaking of suspicious).

You don't have to scratch this Ryan Dawson character very deep at all to notice his overriding interest in finding Jews behind much of the world's evil. Heck, I just browsed his YouTube channel for a couple of minutes and found this clip, where among other things, he chuckles as he dismisses the idea that anyone in the west was "financing" Hitler. No, the suggestion is that he's very much a pull yourself up by the bootstraps guy! And the Nazi labour union was much more progressive than other labour unions of the time didntcha know! And the Reichstag fire and the Gleiwitz incidents? Painting them as contrived false flag events was just Communist propaganda!

[coffin_dodger]

Sacrosanct [sak-roh-sangkt]
adjective

1. extremely sacred or inviolable
2. not to be entered or trespassed upon
3. above or beyond criticism, change, or interference

Origin of sacrosanct: Latin sacrō sānctus - made holy by sacred rite.

[Searcher08]

Suspicious? I disagree. I'm one of those people who, realizing the extent to which we've been lied tonabout everything, also likes to investigate everything with fresh eyes. WW2 is especially fascinating for so many reasons.
And seeing how the Zionist state continues to constantly milk WW2 as an excuse for them to act like Nazis themselves, I don't see any reason not to look into it.

Personally I'm fascinated by Hitler's meteoric rise to rock-star status and I'm really interested in who quietly backed him, especially American and Beitish interests. I've also been interested in wrapping my head around the fact that he was just a man and not Satan incarnate. What kind of man does such a thing and actually succeeds to the level that Hitler did? It's really pretty fucking bizarre. And suspicious (speaking of suspicious).

Antony Sutton was fascinated by the same questions around the Russian Revolution in 1917. he later investigated the rise of Hitler and found that many of the organisations and people involved in funding one, later funded Hitler.

A key point to make is that Sutton himself investigated whether there was a 'Banking Cabal' at work and found, yes, there was. However it was an East Coast US / European WASP network rather than a Jewish one.

The intersection of the 1917 supporters and the Hitler funders?
Skull and Bones.

[brainpanhandler]

Why are current consensus estimates of the number of people who died in the Holocaust sacrosanct?

They're not. How could "current consensus estimates" be sacrosanct?

How many indigenous people did Columbus and his minions genocide?

Not sure. I can look it up for you if you like. But I have a feeling what I will find is that the credible, scholarly estimates for how many people were killed in some fashion or another by the arrival of the europeans to the new world will vary more greatly from one another than will the estimates for how many Jews were killed by the nazis. The europeans arrived in the Americas over 500 years ago. There are still living witnesses to the holocaust and the nazis kept good records; 10 of millions of documents meticulously recording their atrocities.

I bet none of you even know.

So what?

But if you question 6 million you must be a crypto-Nazi?

Not must. I guess you'll never tire of erecting your strawmen.

Personally, I don't see the purpose of such questioning.

I do.

But I also don't see why any such questioning means you are inherently terrible person.

Strawman.

Some people just like to question everything they have been told.

Good for them, but ya know, it's not as if those same people never find satisfactory answers. Or at least that is what I would hope.

I find such people far more rigorous than those who do not question anything they are told.

Well yeah. Duh. But I suppose if you question everything you are told and never arrive at any answers then that's not particularly rigorous either. We're not talking murky metaphysics here.

Of course, some of what we have been told must be true. Mustn't it?

Most of our 'knowledge', good, bad, right and wrong comes from others.

“(...)the question of the Jews has come to the fore, but like other questions which lend themselves to prejudice, efforts will be made to hush it up as impolitic for open discussion. If, however, experience has taught us anything it is that questions thus suppressed will sooner or later break out in undesirable and unprofitable forms.”
― Henry Ford, The International Jew - The World's Foremost Problem

Question away!

[tapitsbo]

seems like "who supported hitler" is something of a rorschach blot... there are an awful lot of culprits pointed to. a little like the russian revolution, jfk, 9/11...

[Nordic]

Ok well that is very telling about Dawson. And it's too bad really because he seems quite on the nose about a great many other things.

As far as Zionism, I can't speak for it but it seems unlikely that they were okay with the extermination of so many of their potential supporters. Seems after they wrote that manufesto things went very badly for them but ... They kinda landed on their feet. Which is weird. Weird like Hitler rising to power weird.

Then again the thing that gives evil such massive successes here and there is that they will actually go out and do The Unthinkable. There's no better surprise attack, and no better "Big Lie" than The Unthinkable.

I wouldn't put anything past nazis or zionists or the death-cultist transnational spook mafia that did 9/11.

[stickdog99]

I think the Zionist letter presented in evidence may have been written by Vichy Zionists.

LOL at the Nazi Myths youtube. Ryan, I never knew ya.

[RocketMan]

Jeff Wells was waaaaaay ahead of the curve with his analysis of the fascist/anti-semitic tendencies of the burgeoning alt media/conspiracy mileu in the mid 2000s. Alt media itself seems to be awakening to this only now.

http://theageoftransitions.com/index.ph ... -alt-media

A dark cloud now hangs over the alternative media. Race politics, Nazi sympathy, and "white genocide" have become the jumping off points for a rising faction within the alt media sphere. Now is the time to point out this obvious fact.

http://theageoftransitions.com/index.ph ... -and-aaron

This is a special roundtable discussion featuring Thomas Sheridan, Tom Secker, and Adam of Themes and Memes. Aaron Franz hosts, and the topic at hand is the rise of Race Politics in the alternative media. Why is it that alt media has taken such a dark turn, and what can the rest of us do about it?

[Searcher08]

Jeff Wells was waaaaaay ahead of the curve with his analysis of the fascist/anti-semitic tendencies of the burgeoning alt media/conspiracy mileu in the mid 2000s. Alt media itself seems to be awakening to this only now.

http://theageoftransitions.com/index.ph ... -alt-media

A dark cloud now hangs over the alternative media. Race politics, Nazi sympathy, and "white genocide" have become the jumping off points for a rising faction within the alt media sphere. Now is the time to point out this obvious fact.

http://theageoftransitions.com/index.ph ... -and-aaron

This is a special roundtable discussion featuring Thomas Sheridan, Tom Secker, and Adam of Themes and Memes. Aaron Franz hosts, and the topic at hand is the rise of Race Politics in the alternative media. Why is it that alt media has taken such a dark turn, and what can the rest of us do about it?

Jeff did miss out the whole other side of that, which is the creation (primarily by Open Society Foundations and the Israeli Right / MilIntel) of an entire "Anti-Fascism" industry, allied to and driven by globalist neo-Con/Liberal objectives, comprised of academics, university departments, conferences, journals, military and spook hired "consultants" etc. - one which sees fascism happening e v e r y w h e r e EXCEPT Israel. Israel must *never* be framed in those terms.

Nor the appalling drift of a lot of Progressive discourse into something actually more worthy of a Cultural Revolution / Red Guards re-education camp than social justice. I am not speaking metaphorically - I see people like Spencer Sunshine who is copy-pasta-ed a great deal here as Red Guards with a touch of social media and no doubt, a dash of angst-filled hand-wringing.
There is no progressive challenge or critique that I have seen about this, outside of a few people here at RI.
A trend towards
[i]"There is only ONE set of appropriate beliefs; we may debate *within* these but never *about* these"[/i]
a type of Progressive Orthodoxy, which seems to thrive most in places like the Huffington Post, the online magazine for First World Problems. This also intersects the Church of Scientism, where adherents have to demonstrate the worship of cultural tropes of "Science" and "Reason" - their tropes, NOT what they actually are.

I would say the nadir is reached with someone like Bill Maher.

I think this lack of progressive self-reflection 'seeing ourselves in the mirror, warts and all' as one of the reasons why there is a parallel rise in the Red Ice et al bullshit.

[RocketMan]

a type of Progressive Orthodoxy, which seems to thrive most in places like the Huffington Post, the online magazine for First World Problems. This also intersects the Church of Scientism, where adherents have to demonstrate the worship of cultural tropes of "Science" and "Reason" - their tropes, NOT what they actually are.

I would say the nadir is reached with someone like Bill Maher.

I think this lack of progressive self-reflection 'seeing ourselves in the mirror, warts and all' as one of the reasons why there is a parallel rise in the Red Ice et al bullshit.

Yes!