Bernie Sanders running for preznit?

[justdrew]

Is it possible Amazon bought the block and didn't update all the entries until recently? I'm not familiar with the process.

I just did a arin 'whois' search, from their page: https://www.arin.net/ (of the ip, not a dns name.)
that's where I got the 2014-06-20 date.
but just because aws own the ip, that says nothing about who's controling a server on that public ip address. on aws you can draw an ip from the 'public pool' use it for an hour and turn it back in easily. so unfortunately anything that goes in there, largely goes in a black box.

so the ip is a deadend. the only thing of interest would be the dns registration info, which apparently had gone 'private' - did someone get a peak at it before it changed? I think I read so. was it ever scraped by archive.org? maybe google has some stuff from it indexed and a little reverse google fu might show something

[stickdog99]

If you can divide and conquer the far left this easily, politics in the USA is truly well fucked.

[stickdog99]

Maybe this whole process is legitimate and ultimately beneficial?

Sanders supporters see it as obvious that their candidate's platform would be better for people of color than any other candidate's, and they don't understand what else supporters would want. But for the activists challenging Bernie Sanders and his supporters, it's not enough for progressives or Democrats to call for policies that they think would help people of color — they need to be listening to and incorporating the agendas of people of color themselves.

This really nails one progressive divide. Old, white progressives feel that nothing could be more important to black lives than economic justice. And there is plenty of paternalism on this front. I'm guilty as charged. I also initially saw nefarious hands in the groundswell of grassroots anger over the Ferguson, rather than a less controversial, slaying. Once I left my computer desk and got out on the streets, I was pleasantly surprised to discover that I was wrong.

And there is even more damaging paternalism among many of Sanders' supporters. Dismissive and divisive sentiments such as "I pity all the dumb black people who are too stupid to understand that God is the master who enslaved them" that I saw posted in this thread do Bernie Sanders' candidacy no favors.

It's an interesting dynamic to say the least. While I don't think Sanders' political consultants and his old, white progressive constituency necessarily wanted racial justice to "cloud" his core economic justice message, everybody is (or at least should be) on the same side on all of these issues. If the upshot of all this is that the terrible racial disparities in our entire legal system are brought to the fore and highlighted, count me as one of the few old white guys in the crowd who is applauding these disruptive activists.

[Project Willow]

A week ago Saturday we had our annual arts festival here at my building, (I am the director). It was big, we had a couple thousand people come through. Pulling the thing off this year nearly killed me, but that's another story. We hosted the Black Lives Matter exhibition. The name was used with permission from the original organizers. The show was curated by a woman who's been active with the local group in Seattle. In this building that is a supposed bastion of liberal and progressive artists, I was stunned to be confronted with incidents of blatant racism in response to the exhibition, odd notes scrawled in the elevator, oddly titled pieces submitted for other parts of the festival. It was an eye opener.

Yesterday I asked the curator if she knew the two women who interrupted Bernie. She said she knew one of them. She said that the pair had just recently gotten permission from the national group to form a sanctioned local chapter, and then explained how the national was too overwhelmed to properly vet people. The strategy now is to have all Seattle groups coalesce around this official local chapter and to have their consensus direct further actions. We talked about agents provocateur and some of the forms in which they come. After listening to an interview with one of the Sanders protesters, I understand why their actions are being championed among other activists. Reactions from the crowd, that one can hear clearly in recordings of the event, like those odd notes in our elevator, are extremely and painfully revealing.

[stickdog99]

Angry white progressive males wanted to hear their messiah du jour. Fortunately, Sanders has (belatedly?) handled the situation better than I did.

[alwyn]

Is it possible Amazon bought the block and didn't update all the entries until recently? I'm not familiar with the process.

I just did a arin 'whois' search, from their page: https://www.arin.net/ (of the ip, not a dns name.)
that's where I got the 2014-06-20 date.
but just because aws own the ip, that says nothing about who's controling a server on that public ip address. on aws you can draw an ip from the 'public pool' use it for an hour and turn it back in easily. so unfortunately anything that goes in there, largely goes in a black box.

so the ip is a deadend. the only thing of interest would be the dns registration info, which apparently had gone 'private' - did someone get a peak at it before it changed? I think I read so. was it ever scraped by archive.org? maybe google has some stuff from it indexed and a little reverse google fu might show something

process used, from the guy that did it was this:

traceroute of outsideagitators206 .org reveals its IP address is 54.68.196.65. (from Windows command prompt, enter tracert followed by the domain name).

Checking ownership of that IP address via http://cqcounter.com/whois/ shows the domain belongs to Merck & Co.
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Alwyn L'hoir did you happen to do a dns search?
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Nope. Just a traceroute, after WHOIS lookups showed the domain owner was hiding behind a Perfect Privacy LLC wall.

On another note, my comment to the outside agitators website is 'still in moderation' go figure

[stillrobertpaulsen]

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Thanks for bringing this info here, alwyn.

So the most recent info shows Amazon owns the IP, but as of 4/22/15 it was owned by Merck.

The big question: when did Outside Agitators 206 start hosting that IP?

Well, if they have an events calendar up for January 2015, that would put the date prior to 4/22/15, wouldn't it?

I'm not saying I see a smoking gun, but I know smoke when I smell it.

[Project Willow]

Standard search showed current dns point to Network Solutions servers. Domain was registered on 12/14/2014, updated on 2/12/2015.

[stillrobertpaulsen]

Standard search showed current dns point to Network Solutions servers. Domain was registered on 12/14/2014, updated on 2/12/2015.

So...does that mean the site possibly went live under the Merck domain? Or do we not have enough evidence to determine that conclusively?

[alwyn]

rambly, but posting here for the record:

"But there are some folks who will never let go and will keep trying to make this something other than an actual black activist group" said by an acquaintance on fb....who goes on to state that this focusing on something 'that isn't real' detracts from ending citizens united, which last i looked bernie was sponsoring, no?



Alwyn L'hoir: i think everyone needs to focus on what will get their bit of the job done. Overturn Citizen's United, another Bernie move btw. By all means.
HOWEVER, another forum pointed out that the website's creators backdated a social calender to give their soon to be famous website a boost in legitimacy! #BLM ! (when was ferguson? when did they create their website? when did they start posting? Now, if they created their website in June,( and indeed Merck sold their IPN in April according to five out of seven IP reporters...the 'free' ones say Merck for some reason, and the private paid ones say Amazon. We've established that. And we totally trust Amazon to give us the latest in information when sometimes we don't get a package for what, weeks? —who's buying bandwidth right now but Merck or another multi-national these days? you got $ for bandwidth?? i don't! anyway, i digress)
this is a conundrum here. Perhaps they are only guilty of social puffery?. In which case they aren't activists at all but social buffoons. But if they are just now a new chapter of blm arrived full blown on the scene, website and sound track and everything .., well, is that even real? i've been a peace activist for a long time, quantum peace at blogspot, and i never had to backdate my social calender to prove it. It was on the net and dated! Public record!
They've already proved to me that they are not democratic as we heretofore understand it on the net, because they are already "moderating" my post by not publishing it; I asked a question, who are you, why, when social security is so important to us all, black OR white, why did you not let the man speak? Why, when social security is so important to us ALL, would you de-rail that? i said essentially the same thing i said here, sans image, and i asked which corporation owns your server?
Let the obfuscation begin! they never even published my comment! i've been a netizen since mid 90's, i never 'moderated a post by not publishing it, ever. It's all about the dialogue! (Of course we were more civilized then, perhaps, or even less bought. certainly less fascist.)
When the internet is free, we have our public forum, and the exchange of ideas and the broadening of viewpoints, but when the internet stifles free speech from the git go, we have propoganda. We have a constitutional right to free speech! Says so. That's why Bernie, a scholar, a grandfather, and a gentleman, stepped aside. Gave four minutes of peace to Ferguson.
So , say these girls wanted to make a big hit, and puffed their site a bit with a backdated social calendar. Ok. what's the point of your activism? You want to open a dialogue? great! Bernie stepped aside! He gave precious media exposure to these people, we all know what that costs these days, and you know what happened? They didn't get beaten and they didn't get arrested, or even tazed. They didn't get what happened to the poor black bros in the hood. Seattle is mostly civilized. Especially with the cameras rolling. Try that at another sort of rally. Bernie lived by what he stands by. He walked his talk. He means you no harm! By all means! dialogue, if you must, but don't monopolize the means of communication! What happend is two people with less then sterling credentials stole a rare social security narrative.
What they are doing reeks of what Media Whores Online—.a sadly defunct website run by the free press, who devoted the entirety of their bright but brief bandwidth to expose : the truth behind the propoganda... These women didn't want dialogue, they wanted the wrong sort of attention.They wanted to control the message, and shift the context. To create controversy where non exists. That was a peaceful gathering with people of all colors who are fighting for their RIGHT to social security, the hallmark of a democratic socialist, and the last remaining bit of our great society; and also, fundamentally, one of the keys of Bernie's platform... because that rising tide really does float all boats, black, white, or clueless.
The revolution doesn't come with a slick sound track on a website, social change comes in direct action on the ground. it comes with moms and dads who stand by their kids, and do what they can to feed their kinder, sometimes before they even feed themselves, and it comes with their community, as youth and elders reach out, as we learn to work together and lift each other up, and it comes in those who step into the Service of Life, and feed and house the needy, and heal the families at their root, while we too are healed and served and lifted up, and the communities link into the counties and the states and the nation concerns itself with our commonweal. and our community blossoms, as does this earthly garden .... that's loves peaceful revolution.
the revolution may come, at first, with those who hold up a little light in a public place on the book of face... but it must translate into action.... and walking the talk. and those ladies don't get to shut the door they opened, they are public figures now, having dominated our narrative for the next little bit. ( unless they would like to retire now? might be a good idea, when the people they are supposedly fighting for can't even afford the bandwidth they have so readily available for consumption to see wtf is being done in their name. Social Security and Social Welfare is a fundamental human right, and that's a government in truth.
attention seeking media whores will monopolize the moment, and prevent real dialogue taking place, to shift the narrative to the corporate controller, and i'm calling that like i see it. you are entitled to your opinion. that's what America's about, live, let live, and everybody gets their opinion....(and our opinion is about all some of us have left, if they git our social security).
i tell you what, we have a constitutional right to have that opinion. i wasn't throwing rocks, i'm not even a troll. I am, however, an artist, and an activist since 2001, and i tell you what, i can't afford the kind of bandwidth i saw there. I saw a slick site with media savvy, pandering about how they didn't talk directly to the media while upstaging the largest media moment in their neck of the woods in quite some time.
Sure, the lurking racism behind the genteel exterior of Seattle came roaring to the surface; this is good! i lived there at one time, i know how tough it is! I watched 'em 'gentrify' a neighborhood they were too afraid to live in before i lived there! ..
But, you know, in the end, honesty counts, and there's something not quite honest about all of this. so, maybe the fact that we're still looking means there really is something to find. yeah. Overturn Citizens United! #GoBernie #DontBelieveTheHype and i tell you what, Merck and Amazon don't like him one bit.
#ActivistOrTool? time will tell. But politics is dirty, and it's getting low down out.

[stickdog99]

I'd like to believe that all of this was an ultimately positive dialogue between people who basically agree on all points other than their most important current concern. So, until proven otherwise, I will.

Of course, I wouldn't be surprised by anything.

[Hunter]

Something didnt smell right about that whole thing, I immediately thought they might be paid shit stirrers and the BLM movement like 9-11 truth and everything else has likely been hijacked and compromised. It looks pretty obvious and this is in the playbook. Good work trying to smoke it out folks. I wish more people would see this type of thing for what it is, they are not doing the real BLM people any good at all.

[stillrobertpaulsen]

I'm currently putting this in the category of conspiracy hypothesis instead of theory, but it's certainly worth reporting and I think everyone's been doing a great job on this thread.

Breaking Bernie: 21st Century Rat-Fucking

[Nordic]

I finally watched the video and the entire thing felt staged. Doesn't Bernie have any kind of security, especially for when he's onstage? Any slightly famous person has at least that, and Bernie is actually running for President on the D ticket. I'm supposed to believe that these 2 just jumped up there right on some cue and that they would actually hand the mic over to them? The whole thing felt scripted and fake, and not even well executed, like something you'd see at the high school level.

To what end they would fake such a ridiculous thing I have no idea. It made Bernie look like a pathetically weak doofus, and the BLM women seemed like hysterical nutjobs.

Weird

[tapitsbo]

everything is "weird" like that these days