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Postby tapitsbo » Thu Sep 24, 2015 4:01 pm

Well you don't have to imagine, the board you are posting on clearly includes massive opposition to PC. I understand PC as the hegemonic, respectable discourse in places like Canada where I live - this is why it's referred to as "correct". It is indeed endorsed by state and corporate power through institutions such as universities, where it seems to originate in top-down fashion. It also fosters the divisions you mentioned across demographics - solidarity across them seems to my mind confined to a tiny and dwindling "old left".

Needless to say pro-pedophilia positions are not currently "politically correct".

The dynamics Project Willow alluded to represent something other than "solidarity" being legislated and policed, in my opinion.
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Postby backtoiam » Thu Sep 24, 2015 4:22 pm

A cowboy who is fundamentally an anti-pc human being is a dinosaur. What are their core beliefs, anyway?


I am not anti. I just talk.


Could be all sorts of things, you would need to engage in dialogue to find out.


This is the one I use. Been doing it all my life. I like how it works. The last time I did this one i ended up sleeping under a bridge in New Orleans with a very old black man that I nicknamed "Trashman."

Trashman had a trash can of course. Carried it with him at all times. I would walk the French Quarter with him and we would pick up trash together. When the can was full we would dump it out. We would sort all the trash out in little piles. Metal goes here, paper goes here, straws go here, cups go here, and etc...

I never asked him why we had to sort it. I just liked listening to him tell stories. We didn't call each other by names or labels. We just talked. I loved that old dude.

That is my PC and I dig it.
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Postby tapitsbo » Thu Sep 24, 2015 4:23 pm

I'm really interested what makes you think "we" are more accepting of others these days, Luther Blisset. Publications like Salon offer a perspective that's massively intolerant of the beliefs of the majority of the world's population.
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Postby Project Willow » Thu Sep 24, 2015 4:28 pm

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Are autogynophiles really that large of a percentage of the trans community? That hasn't been my observation from afar but I could be wrong.


Yes, according to the sources on demographics that I've read. They are certainly the most vociferous on social media. The scholarship on autogynophilia has been buried due to their activism. Feminist Alice Dreger covered the backlash against researcher J. Michael Baily in response to his 2003 book, The Man Who Would be Queen in various publications including her most recent book, Galileo's Finger. She in turn has been vilified.

dissatisfied with the option of merely criticizing the book, a small number of transgender activists worked to try to ruin Bailey professionally and personally. Largely under the leadership of three prominent transwomen—Lynn Conway (a world-renowned computer scientist at the University of Michigan), Andrea James (a Hollywood-based trans-consumer advocate and an entrepreneurial consultant on trans issues), and Deirdre McCloskey (a Distinguished Professor of Economics, History, English, and Communication at the University of Illinois at Chicago)—they organized charges of scientific misconduct against Bailey, including charges that he lacked informed consent from research subjects, that he failed to obtain Institutional Review Board (IRB) permission for human subjects research, and that he had sexual relations with a transsexual research subject. They successfully pushed for a top-level investigation of these charges at Northwestern University and for numerous press reports about Bailey’s alleged misdeeds. They successfully arranged a protest against the book’s nomination for a Lambda Literary Foundation (LLF) award and tried to get Bailey’s colleagues (including his closest departmental colleagues) to turn against him or at least distance themselves from him. They devoted elaborate Websites to criticizing and mocking him and his book and anyone with any positive relationship with him. One activist in particular, namely Andrea James, also used the Web to publicly harass Bailey’s children, his ex-wife, his girlfriend, and his friends.


Second wave and radical feminists who attempt to critique aspects of trans politics are subjected to death and rape threats. Lesbian feminist Cathy Brennan is the most visible critic. It doesn't help that some of her language is provocative, she openly labels some pre-op trans women as men, but as an attorney, she's one of the few who is tracking the impact of trans activism on policies that affect women's safety. Refusing to shrink into the shadows, she's had to take steps to protect herself and her family from the constant threat of violence.

Dreger again:
So very intense have been feelings around the Bailey controversy that several people were frightened to speak to me when I sent them inquiries about it a good 3 years after the book’s publication. A few people who heard I was interested in writing a history of the controversy even tried to talk me out of it.


It's important to note, all of the above writers and researchers fully support anti-discrimination efforts and compassionate treatment for trans people. So why are the major targets for trans outrage scientists and feminists, as opposed to conservatives and men who are the source of the direct discrimination and violence they suffer?

Researcher Anne A. Lawrence proposed that the force of these threats and attacks on critical allies is rooted in narcissistic rage:

MtF transsexuals are probably at increased risk for the development of narcissistic disorders—significant disorders in the sense of self—as a consequence of the inevitable difficulties they face in having their cross-gender feelings and identities affirmed by others, both before and after
gender transition. As a result, many autogynephilic transsexuals are likely to be particularly vulnerable to feelings of shame and
may be predisposed to exhibit narcissistic rage in response to perceived insult or injury...


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Luther Blissett wrote:I would have to disagree. Culture is certainly progressing at a rapid pace in the information age, and in some ways, society is drifting off in a much different direction than the state and corporate power. There are certainly no "good old days" when comes to interpersonal relations; that comes the next minute, and then the next minute after that. Globally we are all drifting together, moving into larger cities, and at least in the west, violent crime is precipitously dropping. We are more accepting of others and each new generation believes less and less in fairy tales like borders.

A cowboy who is fundamentally an anti-pc human being is a dinosaur. What are their core beliefs, anyway?


Yes, I agree with you here. There were no golden days, and efforts at renaming are critical to many social just movements. As a young feminist, I was among those who used the word womyn in attempt to claim a unique identifier for myself that was not in relation to another, wo-men. That effort was not successful in proliferating to the broader culture. Now we have the trans community adding another prefix so that what I am required to call myself is qualified in relation to yet another group, "ciswoman". The feminist project is not finished, women have yet to define for ourselves what being a woman is, and now the pressure of another oppressed group is reifying patriarchal definitions and forcing a new nomenclature upon us. With midwifery services replacing the words woman and female in their literature with "people who birth", it could be argued we are being disappeared. Where is the boundary between one group's need to self define as opposed to another? We should at least be able to discuss this without being called bigots or subjected to death threats.
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Postby tapitsbo » Thu Sep 24, 2015 4:33 pm

Trans people have clearly been around for thousands of years, but the "death-threat" style "trans*" politics of the mid-2000s and beyond Willow is referring to are new.

Perhaps to some extent they have served as a testbed for further divide-and-conquer psychological warfare in the realm of identity politics.
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Postby yathrib » Thu Sep 24, 2015 4:53 pm

The trans issue...
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Postby Luther Blissett » Thu Sep 24, 2015 4:54 pm

You might be right; the millennial social justice warrior activist circles in which I run trot that "radscum" label out pretty often, and rather than the examples you illustrate above, I hear a lot more about all the violence perpetrated against transgender people, the suicides and attempts, the housing and work discrimination, the rape, etc. The few individuals I know who discuss misogyny against trans women do so in a much more extreme and violent manner, (which in some ways I understand) but I still chose to hone in on the discrimination and oppression heaped upon trans people since I didn't think I could offer anything to the discourse anyway. Maybe I just couldn't understand it; no one ever really explained it as well as you just did.

And again it probably has to do with personally knowing and working with a lot more trans men, genderqueer and androgyne people whom I don't even know what they were biologically born as, nor is it my business.
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Postby zangtang » Thu Sep 24, 2015 4:56 pm

cannon fodder for the transhumanists i reckon

cant provide any supplementary evidence whatsoever, so sorry about that, but.....timing
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Postby Luther Blissett » Thu Sep 24, 2015 5:10 pm

tapitsbo » Thu Sep 24, 2015 3:23 pm wrote:I'm really interested what makes you think "we" are more accepting of others these days, Luther Blisset. Publications like Salon offer a perspective that's massively intolerant of the beliefs of the majority of the world's population.


Almost every metric I search for suggests to me that western culture is moving towards broader acceptance: approval of miscegenation, acceptance of gay marriage, antiwar sentiments amongst young people, the violent crime rate in general, all sorts of gender attitudes about work and home and child raising, the aforementioned shift into cities (people desiring to live near other people), peoples' willingnesses to vote for people who aren't like them, etc.

I can find plenty of examples where we as the 99% are all losing out together as a result of oppression from the power elite, with non-whites' and lower classes' dwindling buying power falling at a greater rate than white men's, but I don't take that as a sign of people getting along less.
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Postby yathrib » Thu Sep 24, 2015 5:14 pm

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Postby Luther Blissett » Thu Sep 24, 2015 5:19 pm

Could we start a new thread on political correctness, transmisogyny, and autogynephilia, lest any casual reader think one of us is supporting a pedophile?
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Postby tapitsbo » Thu Sep 24, 2015 5:20 pm

Luther Blissett » Thu Sep 24, 2015 5:10 pm wrote:
tapitsbo » Thu Sep 24, 2015 3:23 pm wrote:I'm really interested what makes you think "we" are more accepting of others these days, Luther Blisset. Publications like Salon offer a perspective that's massively intolerant of the beliefs of the majority of the world's population.


Almost every metric I search for suggests to me that western culture is moving towards broader acceptance: approval of miscegenation, acceptance of gay marriage, antiwar sentiments amongst young people, the violent crime rate in general, all sorts of gender attitudes about work and home and child raising, the aforementioned shift into cities (people desiring to live near other people), peoples' willingnesses to vote for people who aren't like them, etc.

I can find plenty of examples where we as the 99% are all losing out together as a result of oppression from the power elite, with non-whites' and lower classes' dwindling buying power falling at a greater rate than white men's, but I don't take that as a sign of people getting along less.


Interesting that you mention "Western" culture. No doubt you're right about these shifts - it's interesting that much of the world views them as a form of imperialism forced on them without their consent, however (when I've tried to discuss this incovenient truth with people in my anarchist-tinged neck of the woods the conversation usually ends i.e. I get no response). Also interesting that the "Western" world and its cultural shifts are entering an aporia where they are increasingly involving choices to be replaced by cultures that are decidedly not Western or even cosmopolitan. Even if we're not overtly "at war" our governments are conducting warfare on so many fronts that there's bound to be blowback regardless of the antiwar sentiments of young people. Meanwhile small but motivated minorities such as white nationalists, jihadists are quite enthusiastic about preparing for asymmetric warfare within the West as has been explored in detail on this board. These activities of course interface with the warfare conducted by the 1% against everyone else. It will be interesting to see how accepting, antiwar youth respond. Will they "go to war" against the people who want to "go to war" against them? A lot of self-identified social justice warriors (wow am I ever sick of that term) love to talk about enthusiastically killing their opponents, but they don't have a big track record of violence yet (unless you want to lump them in with the old communists, etc, which I believe is a mistake). Or will they simply mistakenly write off the people who are bitterly opposed to them as dinosaurs who are already dead?
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Postby backtoiam » Thu Sep 24, 2015 5:29 pm

I learned something today. I had to look these up to see what the definition was.

miscegenation

autogynephile

I just realized that in my life on and off I have hung out with groups of gay people all my life, and that NONE OF THEM ever said these words. They didn't say what they "were." They were just people. I don't remember any signs, labels, classifications, or whatever all this is about.

They were people that had different attitudes about sex than I did and that was about all I knew. Oh, and they were my friends. Of course I considered the girls lesbians and the guys what? homosexual? guys that liked guys?

Hell I never had to worry about any of that. Nobody had signs on their foreheads to let us all know what we were, or were not, or whatever.

I was hetero and they were doing whatever it was they did. Who cares right?

This is why I don't like all these names and labels. That old black dude was "trashman" to me because he liked to pick up trash. I never had to discuss with my multi gender friends what they were and they didn't seem to think it was important peg a sign on themselves to make sure everybody knew "exactly" what they might do when they went to bed together.

We just had fun, and I seriously don't understand why I should have known all this, or would have wanted to, unless they wanted to talk about it, which would have been fine with me.

I never needed to classify another human being, and I just really don't understand why we have to. Maybe thats just me, but I never seemed to have a need or use for it... :tongout
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Postby tapitsbo » Thu Sep 24, 2015 5:32 pm

Saying "what you are" when introducing yourself or your blog, etc. is nowadays a "thing", though, backtoiam.
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Postby backtoiam » Thu Sep 24, 2015 5:36 pm

Saying "what you are" when introducing yourself of your blog, etc. is nowadays a "thing", though, backtoiam.



Why? I don't understand. As stupid as I look. I swear I don't understand exactly what you mean.

ok i looked around. i get it. sorry. :zomg
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