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Re: Security Theater ("Crisis Actors")

Postby elfismiles » Fri Sep 25, 2015 5:43 pm

The REAL Story of 9/11 That Most Truthers Miss

MinM » 18 Sep 2015 23:32 wrote:
Image@Gawker: A new book says the U.S. government planned to fake an airplane hijacking immediately after 9/11 http://gaw.kr/x9Eg7yo

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Sort of sounds like what happened on 9/11.



jingofever » 18 Sep 2015 23:52 wrote:From MinM's link:

Meanwhile, Delta’s operators brainstormed. To deter future hijackings, they suggested that the government, in conjunction with the FBI and the airlines, “leak out that there are Delta operators on board almost every flight and then do a fake takedown” using role players “in a first-class compartment that’s all stooges” on an otherwise regular commercial flight, said the Delta source.

A “terrorist” would attempt a hijacking before operators in plainclothes took him down “with hand-to-hand or something,” the source said. “Get that out [via the media]. Get inside their heads.” The aim was to “at least make [Al Qaeda] think twice and begin to think, “Hey, they’re on to us, there’s special mission unit guys on every airplane.”

You could have placed this in the crisis actors thread as well.

From September 14, 2001:

MEMBERS of America's elite anti-terrorist Delta Force troops will be put aboard commercial aircraft in an attempt to prevent further hijackings, said Norman Mineta, the Transportation Secretary, yesterday.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... iners.html


... showed the above to my friend Mack White and he made me aware of similar practices noted in Fletcher Prouty's "JFK" ...

A few excerpts of the book JFK – The CIA, Vietnam, and the Plot to Assassinate John F. Kennedy by L. Fletcher Prouty

Birch Lane Press, 1992 – hard cover
...
THREE
The Invisible Third World War

THE WORLDWIDE INVISIBLE WAR waged by the Soviet KGB and the American Central Intelligence Agency over the past fifty years, and under the cover that these war-making organizations were in fact intelligence organizations, was being fought with novel tactics. Not only was this type of underground warfare secret, but so were its methods. Discerning readers were not surprised, then, to discover on an inside page of the New York Times on July 25, 1985, a tiny two-inch article, datelined Zaragoza, Spain, describing one of these Cold War battles, being fought with these secret tactics.

TWO SPANISH OFFICERS SENTENCED
FOR ROLES IN FAKE EXECUTIONS

ZARAGOZA, Spain, July 24 (UPI)—Two army officers who herded villagers into a public square for mock executions were sentenced today to prison terms of four and five months, military authorities said.
A military tribunal ruled Tuesday that officers, Capt. Carlos Aleman and Lieut. Jaime Iniguez, had been overzealous in carrying out orders.
"They were ordered to stage a mock invasion of a town and to make it as realistic as possible, but they went too far," said a Defense Ministry spokesman, Lieut. Jesus del Monte.

This bizarre incident occurred in Spain. Similar events, using the same tactics, take place somewhere in the world almost daily, despite the apparent demise of the Cold War. They have one unique characteristic, seldom if ever seen in regular warfare, that sets them apart. Incidents such as this one, reported by the Times, serve to incite warfare rather than to bring it to an end. To give the age-old concept new meaning, "They make war...out of practically nothing."
The methods used in Spain are almost precisely those used by the CIA in, among other cases, the Philippines in the early 1950s and Indochina from 1945 to 1965. These will be discussed in later chapters. It is important to note that tens of thousands of foreign "paramilitary" and Special Forces troops have been trained at various U.S. military bases under CIA supervision and sponsorship. Some of this training is highly specialized, using advanced weapons and war-related matériel. Some of it takes place at American universities and even in manufacturing plants, where advanced equipment for this type of warfare is being made.
Then there are the paramilitary forces of other nations that have been trained in the Soviet Union. Today these graduates, by the tens of thousands, are the leaders of the "elite" forces of many countries and the professionals used to breed a world of international terrorists. For the most part, they are not individuals or members of some small group, but participants in a most sophisticated, worldwide complex of organizations. The Spanish example is a perfect case study in describing the methods and tactics of such units. (For illustrative purposes, examples of operations in other countries will be merged with the Spanish example to portray more comprehensively the potential of these tactics.)
The Spanish army's Special Forces troops had been ordered to "stage a mock invasion of a town and to make it [look and feel] as realistic as possible." The army was ordered to create a battle that would appear to support evidence of insurgency. This is one of the secret methods of the secret war. These special armed forces are used as agitators. It is as though the fire department were being used to start fires, the police department employed to steal and kill, and doctors ordered to make people sick, to destroy their brains, to poison them. Such clandestine operations are designed to make war—even when they have to play both sides at the same time.
First of all, as stated so accurately in Leonard Lewin's Report From Iron Mountain,1 "allegiance [to the State] requires a cause; a cause requires an enemy," and "...the presumed power of the enemy sufficient to warrant an individual sense of allegiance to a society must be proportionate to the size and complexity of the society."
Therefore, on a global scale, the Cold War required the USSR and the United States to have been enemies by need and by definition. Ever since the Bravo detonation of the hydrogen bomb, the world's political, economic, and military system has had to be bipolar. Those without massive weapons and the means to deliver them could not possibly take part effectively in such global warfare.
It has been politically necessary for each major power to have an enemy, even though both major powers knew that they no longer had any way to benefit from a traditional "all-out" war. Neither one could control its own destiny or its own society without the "threat" of the other. On a lesser scale, as we shall see in the Spanish example, the existence of "insurgents" lent validity to the charge of a "Communistic-supported" insurgency, even though the scope of the "conflict"—that is, the "mock invasion of the town"—was purely local.
All leaders of all nations know that, as stated in Report From Iron Mountain, "The organization of a society for the possibility of war is its principal political stabilizer. It is ironic that this primary function of warfare has been generally recognized by historians only where it has been expressly acknowledged—in the pirate societies of the great conquerors."
That is the historical perspective. It has been the primary reason for the necessary prosecution of the Cold War—"necessary," that is, in the minds of those who are unable to see, or who choose not to see, that there are other reasons than conflict for the existence of Earth and man.
The Spanish application of this tactic of the secret war is interesting and threatens us all. In this case, the two army officers had been ordered to attack a town, with regular Spanish troops (albeit some of them disguised as natives), and to make it look and feel realistic. As undercover warriors, they were trained to do this. (No doubt, some were trained in the United States, where many of the weapons, activities, and techniques mentioned below are used in training.) Under other conditions at other times, these same trained men might have been told to hijack a civilian aircraft; they might have been told to run a mock hostage operation. There is no difference. The only military objective of these battles, and of this type of global conflict, is to create the appearance of war itself.
Now, the Spanish, for reasons of their own, had decided to teach this town a lesson. To initiate this campaign, a psychological-warfare propaganda team arrived in town. They put up posters, made inflammatory speeches in the village square and showed propaganda films on the walls of buildings at night to stir up the village, warning of the existence and approach of a band of "terrorist-trained insurgents." That night, as the movies were being shown before the assembled villagers, a firefight kit, prearranged to explode in sequence to resemble a true skirmish, was detonated on a nearby hillside. Flares and rockets filled the sky. A helicopter gunship or two joined the mock battle scenario. By the time this Special Forces PsyWar team left that town, the whole region had been alarmed by the presence of these "insurgents." The stage was set for the "mock invasion of the town," as ordered.
A few nights later, these two Spanish army officers (was the CIA involved?) divided their regular force into two groups: (a) the pseudoinsurgents and (b) the loyal regular forces. The "insurgents" took off their uniforms and donned native garb, the uniform of the "Peoples' Insurgents." Then they faded into the darkness and began to attack the town. First there was sporadic gunfire. Then some buildings went up in flames. Several big explosions occurred, and a bridge was blown up. The "insurgents" attacked the town as the villagers fled into the night. There was more gunfire, more burning and explosions. The "terrorists" looted the town and fired into the woods where the townspeople were hiding.
As the sun rose, an army unit in a convoy of trucks raced toward the town, entering it with guns ablaze. Above, a helicopter gunship added to the firepower. The "terrorists" were gunned down, left and right (all staged with blank ammunition). The others were rounded up and thrown into extra trucks under heavy guard. In short order, the victorious regular army captain had liberated the town. A loudspeaker in the helicopter called the villagers to return. All was safe! Fires were extinguished. Things returned to near normal.
Meanwhile, the captain remained with his interrogators, questioning the prisoners. Two "insurgent" leaders were discovered with false "terrorist" papers in their pockets and led back to the village square in chains. Charges were read against them, and the villagers observed them backed against the wall and shot! No sooner had the bodies hit the ground than they were picked up and tossed into the nearest truck. Justice had been done.
All trucks moved down the road. The battle was over. Before leaving, the captain turned to the town's mayor and warned him against further terrorism. The townspeople cheered the heroic captain as he left the town in command of the convoy. The forces of justice had been victorious. They drove on a few more miles, and the whole gang—loyal army and "terrorists"—had breakfast together. The "dead" men joined the feast.
This was the "mock battle." Although I have added technical details to the Spanish scenario, I have been to such training programs at U.S. military bases where identical tactics are taught to Americans as well as foreigners. It is all the same. As we shall see later, these are the same tactics that were exploited by CIA superagent Edward G. Landsdale and his men in the Philipines and Indochina.
This is an example of the intelligence service's "Fun and Games." Actually, it is as old as history; but lately it has been refined, out of necessity, into a major tool of clandestine warfare.
Lest anyone think that this is an isolated case, be assured that it was not. Such "mock battles" and "mock attacks on native villages" were staged countless times in Indochina for the benefit of, or the orientation of, visiting dignitaries, such as John McCone when he first visited Vietnam as the Kennedy-appointed director of central intelligence. Such distinguished visitors usually observed the action from a helicopter, at "a safe distance." A new secretary of defense, such as Robert McNamara, who had never seen combat, especially combat in Southeast Asia, would be given the treatment. It was evident to other, more experienced observers that the tracks through the fields had been made by the "Vietcong" during many rehearsals of the "attack." The war makers of Vietnam vintage left nothing to chance.
During the 1952-54 time period, when I flew into the Philippines, I spent many hours talking with Ed Lansdale, his many Filipino friends, such as Juan C. "Johnny" Orendain, Col. Napolean D. Valeriano, and members of his CIA "anti-Quirino" team and heard them tell these same stories. They all worked with Ramon Magsaysay in those days and related how he would divide his Special Forces into the "Communist HUKS" and the loyal military and then attack villages in the manner described above. Before long Ramon Magsaysay had been "elected" president of the Philippines, and President Quirino was on his way out. Later, when I worked in the same office with Lansdale in the Pentagon, he would relate how he and his Saigon Military Mission teammates applied similar tactics in Indochina, both North and South.

Footnotes

Chapter 2
(2) Dulles by Leonard Moseley, Dial Press, 1978.
(3) "Clandestine Operation Manual for Central America" Desert Publications, 1985.

Chapter 3
(1) Leonard C. Lewin, Report From Iron Mountain (New York: Dial, 1967).

from pages 153 - 155

MORE AT:
http://www.maebrussell.com/Prouty/JFK%2 ... erpts.html


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Re: High-Level American Officials Admit that US Uses False F
by Wombaticus Rex » 19 Sep 2015 18:00

Wombaticus Rex » 19 Sep 2015 18:00 wrote:Via: http://gawker.com/new-book-says-u-s-gov ... 1731695369

New Book Says U.S. Government Planned Fake Hijacking for 9/11 Publicity

In his impressive new book Relentless Strike, author Sean Naylor chronicles the sprawling history of the Joint Special Operations Command, or JSOC, America’s special forces killing apparatus. It’s filled with anecdotes of both bravery and waste, but one in particular stands out: In the aftermath of 9/11, the Pentagon considered staging an airline hijacking to fool us into feeling safer.

After the attacks, Naylor explains, the Pentagon and White House were both desperate for some sort of military action that they could put on television—a media spectacle that wouldn’t top the collapsing World Trade Center, but would at least show that the U.S. was also capable of drawing blood. This meant dropping paratroopers in the middle of the desert with nothing to do, and destroying empty buildings, but Bush, Rumsfeld and the rest of the gang wanted something grander.

Naylor’s sources are anonymous (mostly former military officers and operators), but as a longtime Army Times reporter and co-author of a mammoth New York Times piece on SEAL Team 6, his knowledge of JSOC is almost peerless:

Meanwhile, Delta’s operators brainstormed. To deter future hijackings, they suggested that the government, in conjunction with the FBI and the airlines, “leak out that there are Delta operators on board almost every flight and then do a fake takedown” using role players “in a first-class compartment that’s all stooges” on an otherwise regular commercial flight, said the Delta source

(“Delta” here means Delta Force, an elite U.S. Army unit controlled by JSOC, not Delta Airlines.)

A “terrorist” would attempt a hijacking before operators in plainclothes took him down “with hand-to-hand or something,” the source said. “Get that out [via the media]. Get inside their heads.” The aim was to “at least make [Al Qaeda] think twice and begin to think, “Hey, they’re on to us, there’s special mission unit guys on every airplane.”

Security theater in its most literal sense. Thankfully, the plan to deliberately scare the shit out of an entire airplane filled with U.S. citizens for the purposes of impressing CNN was never carried out.
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Re: Security Theater ("Crisis Actors")

Postby Iamwhomiam » Fri Sep 25, 2015 6:07 pm

911 is a special case, unique unto itself, and its "Why?" or purpose should be well known; that it was to rally popular support for going to war against those who 'caused' it, which purposely was 'misdirected' and subverted to war with Iraq to eradicate Hussein and his "arsenal of weapons of mass destruction."

But we all know it was because we had a spoiled brat in the WH who wanted so badly to one-up his poppa and had the power to realize his dream. (which would make many of his and poppa's buds mucho buckeroos, and glean lots of soft cash for further future political adventures and maybe even a pat on the back from poppa.)
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Re: Security Theater ("Crisis Actors")

Postby beeblebrox » Sun Sep 27, 2015 11:55 pm

AD, I've been meaning to ask, do you actually read all the shit you post to this website? And , if so, how do you have time for anything else?

Just kind of skimmed this one so forgive my ignorance, I just wanted to ask, are we still pretending that people died at Sandy Hook and the Boston Marathon? Is that what this thread is about?
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Re: Security Theater ("Crisis Actors")

Postby brainpanhandler » Mon Sep 28, 2015 2:30 am

beeblebrox » Sun Sep 27, 2015 10:55 pm wrote:forgive my ignorance

No.
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Re: Security Theater ("Crisis Actors")

Postby JackRiddler » Mon Sep 28, 2015 2:43 am

Hmmm, which seems the likelier conspiratorial scenario:

1) Hordes of natsec personnel and contractors live out their physical existences pretending to be the survivors, surviving relatives, witnesses and wounded victims of completely staged, fake homicidal atrocities, acting out roles scripted by further hordes of creative and production personnel, doing so on camera in front of millions of viewers, as part of a strategy of tension so all-encompassing and vague that it's impossible to identify what interest would be served (or at least a business model that might derive profit from this activity).

or

2) This site and the rest of the parapolitically interested research scene is being trolled online by low-wage managers of software personas (plus assorted Alex Jonestown cultists) asserting scenario 1 as so self-evident as to be worthy of sneers against those who don't believe it; thus making for a low-cost, low-risk way for (unidentifiable) institutions of PR and culture management to put the stink of insanity and inhumane lack of empathy on said parapolitically interested research scene, and solidifying the culturally hegemonic view of "9/11 truthers" and other "conspiracy theorists" as disgusting nutsos that no good person wants to know.

For scenario 2, I nominate beeblebrox.
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Re: Security Theater ("Crisis Actors")

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Mon Sep 28, 2015 8:30 am

beeblebrox » Sun Sep 27, 2015 10:55 pm wrote:AD, I've been meaning to ask, do you actually read all the shit you post to this website? And , if so, how do you have time for anything else?

Just kind of skimmed this one so forgive my ignorance, I just wanted to ask, are we still pretending that people died at Sandy Hook and the Boston Marathon? Is that what this thread is about?


Welcome to RI. Please bring a little more to the table than drive-by horseshit like that. "ARE YOU DUMBFUCK BRAINWASHED MORONS SERIOUS?" is an ineffective approach in most English-speaking venues, and we are no exception. Simply asserting the obvious veracity of your worldview is an infantile reflex, not "content" in any sense -- I do realize most blogs in 2015 are currently just slideshows of cat photographs with emoticon captions, but this is a discussion forum, an antique endeavor running on antique software and mostly populated by antique human beings.

As a general rule, if you're just kind of skimming a thread, you don't understand it and really have no right to interrogate the general community to spoon feed you a summary.

If you have further questions, take it to PM rather than wasting space here.
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Re: Security Theater ("Crisis Actors")

Postby Iamwhomiam » Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:25 am

Ha! Another one buzzes by - "Ooo, Honey!"

gotcha.
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Re: Security Theater ("Crisis Actors")

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:34 am

Wombaticus Rex » Mon Sep 28, 2015 7:30 am wrote:
beeblebrox » Sun Sep 27, 2015 10:55 pm wrote:AD, I've been meaning to ask, do you actually read all the shit you post to this website? And , if so, how do you have time for anything else?

Just kind of skimmed this one so forgive my ignorance, I just wanted to ask, are we still pretending that people died at Sandy Hook and the Boston Marathon? Is that what this thread is about?


Welcome to RI. Please bring a little more to the table than drive-by horseshit like that. "ARE YOU DUMBFUCK BRAINWASHED MORONS SERIOUS?" is an ineffective approach in most English-speaking venues, and we are no exception. Simply asserting the obvious veracity of your worldview is an infantile reflex, not "content" in any sense -- I do realize most blogs in 2015 are currently just slideshows of cat photographs with emoticon captions, but this is a discussion forum, an antique endeavor running on antique software and mostly populated by antique human beings.

As a general rule, if you're just kind of skimming a thread, you don't understand it and really have no right to interrogate the general community to spoon feed you a summary.

If you have further questions, take it to PM rather than wasting space here.



far be it from me to butt in but since (good to see you back ) Jack and bph (I just love when you two serendipitously show up in a thread to "reply to someone") already have I suppose it's not like I am setting precedence

and I realize they are just trying to do the lord's work keeping RI pure and unadulterated by managing the crazies

this is not a defense of beeblebrox...I have not followed him ...do not know him...maybe just maybe his post was mis understood? maybe he could explain

...just for a bit of balance

he is not new here..... 3 1/2 years ago he started the Trayvon Martin thread and was welcomed by me and Wombaticus Rex...

Our long RI national nightmare is over and I would definitely like to see that continue

that is all...over and out


edit
I just went through the first 4 pages of his posts and found nothing disrupting ..he actually said forgive me and thank you in a couple of posts :)
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Re: Security Theater ("Crisis Actors")

Postby beeblebrox » Mon Sep 28, 2015 3:09 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Mon Sep 28, 2015 7:30 am wrote: [i]"ARE YOU DUMBFUCK BRAINWASHED MORONS SERIOUS?"


Not even close to my sentiments. I am a lightweight compared to most others here, I fully acknowledge that. I just find this forum's reaction to this issue perplexing. IMO, based on the evidence, the official stories of Sandyhook and the Boston Marathon make the official story of nine eleven (to give one example) look ironclad by comparison. As far as some of the other high profile mass killings go, I'm not sure, I haven't looked into them enough.

As a general rule, if you're just kind of skimming a thread, you don't understand it and really have no right to interrogate the general community to spoon feed you a summary.


Some sarcasm intended there, I did actually read the thread.
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Re: Security Theater ("Crisis Actors")

Postby beeblebrox » Mon Sep 28, 2015 3:15 pm

JackRiddler » Mon Sep 28, 2015 1:43 am wrote:Hmmm, which seems the likelier conspiratorial scenario:

1) Hordes of natsec personnel and contractors live out their physical existences pretending to be the survivors, surviving relatives, witnesses and wounded victims of completely staged, fake homicidal atrocities, acting out roles scripted by further hordes of creative and production personnel, doing so on camera in front of millions of viewers, as part of a strategy of tension so all-encompassing and vague that it's impossible to identify what interest would be served (or at least a business model that might derive profit from this activity).

or

2) This site and the rest of the parapolitically interested research scene is being trolled online by low-wage managers of software personas (plus assorted Alex Jonestown cultists) asserting scenario 1 as so self-evident as to be worthy of sneers against those who don't believe it; thus making for a low-cost, low-risk way for (unidentifiable) institutions of PR and culture management to put the stink of insanity and inhumane lack of empathy on said parapolitically interested research scene, and solidifying the culturally hegemonic view of "9/11 truthers" and other "conspiracy theorists" as disgusting nutsos that no good person wants to know.

For scenario 2, I nominate beeblebrox.


I comprehend your meaning. Not sure how to respond except to say that I believe scenario 1 is precisely what happened at Sandy Hook and the Boston Marathon. Just because you don't understand or cannot conceive of the motives of an action does not mean that action did not take place.
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Re: Security Theater ("Crisis Actors")

Postby beeblebrox » Mon Sep 28, 2015 3:16 pm

seemslikeadream » Mon Sep 28, 2015 9:34 am wrote:
Wombaticus Rex » Mon Sep 28, 2015 7:30 am wrote:
beeblebrox » Sun Sep 27, 2015 10:55 pm wrote:AD, I've been meaning to ask, do you actually read all the shit you post to this website? And , if so, how do you have time for anything else?

Just kind of skimmed this one so forgive my ignorance, I just wanted to ask, are we still pretending that people died at Sandy Hook and the Boston Marathon? Is that what this thread is about?


Welcome to RI. Please bring a little more to the table than drive-by horseshit like that. "ARE YOU DUMBFUCK BRAINWASHED MORONS SERIOUS?" is an ineffective approach in most English-speaking venues, and we are no exception. Simply asserting the obvious veracity of your worldview is an infantile reflex, not "content" in any sense -- I do realize most blogs in 2015 are currently just slideshows of cat photographs with emoticon captions, but this is a discussion forum, an antique endeavor running on antique software and mostly populated by antique human beings.

As a general rule, if you're just kind of skimming a thread, you don't understand it and really have no right to interrogate the general community to spoon feed you a summary.

If you have further questions, take it to PM rather than wasting space here.



far be it from me to butt in but since (good to see you back ) Jack and bph (I just love when you two serendipitously show up in a thread to "reply to someone") already have I suppose it's not like I am setting precedence

and I realize they are just trying to do the lord's work keeping RI pure and unadulterated by managing the crazies

this is not a defense of beeblebrox...I have not followed him ...do not know him...maybe just maybe his post was mis understood? maybe he could explain

...just for a bit of balance

he is not new here..... 3 1/2 years ago he started the Trayvon Martin thread and was welcomed by me and Wombaticus Rex...

Our long RI national nightmare is over and I would definitely like to see that continue

that is all...over and out


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I just went through the first 4 pages of his posts and found nothing disrupting ..he actually said forgive me and thank you in a couple of posts :)


Thank you, I appreciate the sentiment.
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Re: Security Theater ("Crisis Actors")

Postby Iamwhomiam » Mon Sep 28, 2015 6:19 pm

Say, beeble, what evidence?
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Re: Security Theater ("Crisis Actors")

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Mon Sep 28, 2015 8:46 pm

Iamwhomiam » Mon Sep 28, 2015 5:19 pm wrote:Say, beeble, what evidence?


Yeah, that will end well.

I appreciate everyone weighing in, and I know I speak in strong terms, so I want to explicitly encourage people to check me like that, remind me of key details I'm missing -- and I will miss 'em, I'm real good at that -- whether it happens in-thread or PM. I listen more than I let on; it's how I stole so many tricks.

Hate to say it, but brace yourselves for a week of Grumpy Moderation. Due to family issues. Nothing dark or bad, just inevitable, time is cruel without really trying.

That said. I am not grumpy about being the only moderator. I will always advocate for the search function. Dualities.

82_28 » Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:43 pm wrote:OMFG. Find your own links. They are saying 27 dead as of now. . .

OMFG. . .


My take is also that real victims are more affordable and less risky than a wholly counterfeit production.
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Re: Security Theater ("Crisis Actors")

Postby Iamwhomiam » Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:10 pm

Damn your hide, Mr. WRex!

I almost had another one for my collection.

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Re: Security Theater ("Crisis Actors")

Postby Searcher08 » Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:41 pm

One of the few things that I agreed with Hugh was about using disinformation as a 'Tar Baby' to waste the valuable resources of a person's time and attention. There is a whole mini subculture on Youtube of people who assert that there is a Flat Earth surrounded by a mile high ice wall guarded by the UN.
I see a lot of stuff around Sandy Hook as similar. A question "How could he be laughing and then cry on camera?" doesn't necessarily receive a true response because twenty people yell "FAKE!". When my Dad passed a few years ago, I read a reading at the service in front of about 100 people. It was incredibly hard to maintain state because of the grief. Five minutes later, I was outside with a gaggle of cousins and we were sharing memories and laughing our socks off.
Does this mean that I discount "Wag the Dog" scenarios? Not at all. Like the 9/11 guy "Osama Bin Laden probably did this". I think Wag the Dog requires control and insertion and very few, intensively coached actors (a la Babies in Incubators!) to minimise people going off script.
People are exposed to massive incongruence in the mainstream news - thinking it is facts, reported when so much of it is agenda-based, working stories around think tank experts and their thought pieces.
When people start seeing this process, then EVERYTHING that is on the news can become filtered through a pre-existing filter of "This is Bullshit!". Apply that to people's subjective reactions in the time of extreme stress - which, as I showed with my own grief reaction, are often full of apparent incongruity and you have a recipe for disengaging with reality.
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