Multiple fatalities at Oregon’s Umpqua Community College

[Searcher08]

This was another white man's tantrum.

That wasn't, but ^^this^^ is.

[82_28]

Jesus, he was stating the fairly obvious. Even if it was somebody/something else, he wrote what he wrote. Let's keep things to the topic and not about a member who has shared a shit ton of great and insightful shit here.

Anyhoo, I am kinda wondering why we don't have at least several more images of the evacuation. No helicopter coverage (which could be attributable to the fact that any news station that could probably afford a chopper is all the way in Portland). The media definitely seemed to be left out of everything. It looks like a fairly vast campus surrounded by forest and near the freeway to completely lock down as quickly as they did (as it sounds like).

I also noted that even fairly near news stations (Seattle) quickly changed subjects as opposed to their typical wall to wall coverage of shit like this. I noted that those on the ground in Roseburg repeatedly said that this is as close as they could get. The "RI in me" says that the police forces were prepared to rope it off possibly to begin with. I have no idea why, but it does send your imagination whirring. At least mine. . .

In other words, it's a big area to get in there (as the shooter) and an even more big area to completely rope off without preparation. I would think.

Also, who the fuck was the shooter pissed at? School had just started a few days ago, from what I understand. Thus either he had been stewing for some time that went totally undetected or he was ordered in some fashion to do this. $.02

[Searcher08]

Jesus, he was stating the fairly obvious. Even if it was somebody/something else, he wrote what he wrote. Let's keep things to the topic and not about a member who has shared a shit ton of great and insightful shit here.

I don't find it obvious at all, although I think both it (and my response) are on topic.
I am questioning an ease at categorising causes for an incident.

What is the status of the shooters psych meds profile?
Has he changed them in the last few weeks?

[divideandconquer]

Okay I'm just gonna throw this out there, since this is RI.

The timing on this is rather interesting.

Consider this:

We just witnessed what is the biggest military and political blunder of my life time. And I'm not young. Obama and his idiot neo-con pals just had their ASSES handed to them by the rest of the world. This is possibly the most embarrassing event to ever happen to the United States.

The American populace hasn't even begun to understand the enormity of what just happened in Syria. It hasn't even started to sink in. And now it won't. Because just about the very day that people might have understood what really happened we have nutjob mass shooting at a school, something that has become so common as to be ludicrous.

Obama and the U.S. are in the position of defending Al Queda terrorists and admitting they funded and trained these enemies of the state in order to destabilize Iraq. Aiding and abetting the enemy, the very people they claim attacked us on 9-11 and who we have been fighting and killing for 14 giving years.

That is treason, pure and simple. The enormity of this is pretty fucking enormous. But it's not even the half of it.

The U.S. also just got played by Russia so hard, with Putin pulling the rug out from under them so wuickly and with such sudden force that their asses haven't even hit the ground yet. It's a glorious thing to witness, actually, with Russia suddenly in the drivers seat, destroying our terrorist proxy force and forcing the U.S. to admit that ISIS is indeed the US proxy force. Gosh no wonder we couldn't/wouldn't kill these fools.

I mean the U.S. just fucking completely imploded in the last five days over this. They admitted publicly all those they trained went right to ISIS, the money went to ISIS, their public plan to train and equip "moderate" terrorists publicly and humiliatingly exposed as a complete joke, then Germany - Germany!!! -- abandoning them and SUPPORTING RUSSIA!! -- then even the Chinese getting in on the act, bringing their aircraft carrier to Syria, and now the Russians own Syria with barely lifting a finger, and now Iran is going to help them as well? This is the biggest "go fuck yourself" I have EVER seen the U.S. have to eat, and the biggest humiliation I've ever seen, probably worse than throwing those helicopters into the ocean during the evacuation of Saigon.

And right when stupid Americans might have been starting to actually dimly comprehend this, we get this sudden release of a crazed gunman slaughtering a bunch of people here at home and there's the laser pointer making us cats completely lose our focus on this massive failure on the part of our government.

I'm just saying the timing is a little convenient.

Treason, failure, utter humiliation, total exposure as enemies of the state.

Nobody is paying any attention right now.

If there is any group of people in the world who could suddenly release a hypnotized MKUltra victim into the world with a gun and a goal of massacring a bunch of people, it's this group of people who just got humiliated and shamed by the rest of the world.

Thank Nordic! You found what I was looking for: an event that calls for public distraction, and I'm pretty sure you found it. Unfortunately, this shooting amongst the many other distractions, either created or events given way more coverage than actually deserved--Kim Kardashian's transition to celibacy--will save the day.

[elfismiles]

Guess who's from Roseburg:

Alek Skarlatos awarded highest U.S. Army medal for subduing gunman on train to Paris
August 26, 2015

Roseburg resident and Oregon Army National Guard member Alek Skarlatos, one of three Americans who subdued a heavily armed gunman on a Paris-bound train, will be awarded the Soldier’s Medal — the U.S. Army’s highest award for acts of heroism not involving actual conflict with an enemy, according to the U.S. Army.

“Spc. Skarlatos’ actions that day epitomize what we mean by a Soldier of character — one who lives by a personal code where dedication to duty and taking care of others is sacred,” said Army Secretary John M. McHugh in a news release. “His actions, and those of his fellow serviceman and passengers, exemplify the highest standards of selfless service. We are proud to count him in our ranks.”

http://www.nrtoday.com/news/17892518-11 ... -medal-for

Roseburg had a previous school shooting on February 23, 2006.
http://blog.oregonlive.com/breakingnews ... osebu.html

Student Vincent Leodoro, 14, walked into Roseburg High School carrying a semi-automatic pistol loaded with hollow-point bullets and shot fellow student Joseph Monti four times in the back while they were in the school courtyard. Monti, then 16, survived.

http://copycateffect.blogspot.com/2015/10/Umpqua.html

[elfismiles]

Meanwhile at UT-Austin, just under a year out from the 50th anniversary of the Charles Whitman shooting ...


Two rallies converged on Thursday with opposing views on campus carry
Gun-Free UT and UT faculty protest a rally held in opposition to campus carry legislation at the Main Mall on Thursday afternoon. One hundred and sixty-three UT professors have signed a petition stating their refusal to allow guns in their classrooms.

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... and fucking infowars is on the scene to crank up the gas on the boiling frogs ...

Anti-Gunners Want to Destroy Your First Amendment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EScfvKnLozs

UT Faculty And Staff Protest Students Right To Open Carry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuwL_24ldHk

[General Patton]

Jesus, he was stating the fairly obvious.

ayy lmao

Also, who the fuck was the shooter pissed at? School had just started a few days ago, from what I understand. Thus either he had been stewing for some time that went totally undetected or he was ordered in some fashion to do this. $.02

Did you read his social media? He never had a girlfriend.

I bet Dianne Feinstein was secretly cursing him under her breathe because he didn't stay in California to do the shooting so they could make more political hay out of it.

[Twyla LaSarc]

When we started looking at post-city bugout locations, all of Oregon, once flyover, became an object of study.

A semi-relative had lived up in Roseville area once and my DH had spent time there. It's pretty much all white with lots of loggers and the heavily blinkered conservative mentality of people whose living depends on it. Lots of guns and gun culture.

No. We are not moving there.

When I drove up to Seattle with DH2 (who was black) in '88, we felt pretty uncomfortable stopping in places like Roseburg and even Eugene for food and gas. The stares we got. In all my years with that man, we never quite got stared at that way before or since.

I mean the U.S. just fucking completely imploded in the last five days over this. They admitted publicly all those they trained went right to ISIS, the money went to ISIS, their public plan to train and equip "moderate" terrorists publicly and humiliatingly exposed as a complete joke, then Germany - Germany!!! -- abandoning them and SUPPORTING RUSSIA!! -- then even the Chinese getting in on the act, bringing their aircraft carrier to Syria, and now the Russians own Syria with barely lifting a finger, and now Iran is going to help them as well? This is the biggest "go fuck yourself" I have EVER seen the U.S. have to eat, and the biggest humiliation I've ever seen, probably worse than throwing those helicopters into the ocean during the evacuation of Saigon.

I say 'fuck it all', take the cats and go live in a yurt, try to wean myself from the internet teat and then this happens. Go figure. Thanks for catching me up Nordic.

[Luther Blissett]

Since the prevailing logic right now amongst women and non-whites that I know is "ban guns and angry white men," I'm not sure I understand what the flak is all about. When I shared the sentence referencing SLAD's thread of similar name that I posted here, they too were puzzled over how it could draw ire. I'm trying to empathize with the group here so my best defense was that the counter-argument was something intellectual that went over my head.

I don't understand the 142 mass shootings at schools since Newtown or those otherwise public mass shootings, but I'd like to think I understand something about privilege utilized and privilege denied; the perceived threats to the patriarchy; the perceived fear that U.S. whites will be a minority by 2050 and the ways in which reactionaries process and handle that information; colorism and "passing"; and the angry pepe meme and 4chan. I wanted to counter what I felt were cold statistics about body counts with something I felt and which is definitely reinforced in my social circle.

[zangtang]

I'm interested to know if you're getting the usual coverage (that should give us all pause, but no) with 'this one' - or if
there's something qualitively different - and i dont mean the 'how many more times' tinge to the narration/newscasters......

is there as much footage.....duration......actual facts - & how long they're taking to ascertain.
type of weapons....timeline....eyewitnesses testimony to camera etc ?

realise this may come across as ghoulish.....but am inkling some inconsistencies

[tapitsbo]

Since the prevailing logic right now amongst women and non-whites that I know is "ban guns and angry white men," I'm not sure I understand what the flak is all about. When I shared the sentence referencing SLAD's thread of similar name that I posted here, they too were puzzled over how it could draw ire. I'm trying to empathize with the group here so my best defense was that the counter-argument was something intellectual that went over my head.

I don't understand the 142 mass shootings at schools since Newtown or those otherwise public mass shootings, but I'd like to think I understand something about privilege utilized and privilege denied; the perceived threats to the patriarchy; the perceived fear that U.S. whites will be a minority by 2050 and the ways in which reactionaries process and handle that information; colorism and "passing"; and the angry pepe meme and 4chan. I wanted to counter what I felt were cold statistics about body counts with something I felt and which is definitely reinforced in my social circle.

For better or for worse, banning angry white men just radicalizes them further. Maybe this is supposed to work like "bans" on the IRA, Kurdish nationalist groups, etc? Nothing will pacify them, in fact, more than the illusion that they are being listened to (by a figure like Donald Trump)

Clearly angry white men aren't the only group that feels "threatened". Do you feel the way "reactionaries" as you call them (although you seem to be the one reacting) process and handle oncoming minority status in a way that's significantly different than other minorities? (I would say they're handling it more ineptly, that's what sticks out to me)

[Iamwhomiam]

Weapons used were a pistol and a long gun, (an so called semi-automatic assault weapon.)

"Looking for someone who shares my beliefs, and is similar to me," the profile says, listing "Internet, killing zombies, movies, music" and reading among hobbies and interests.

I think he meant zombies = Christians. Anyway, that's my association.

[IanEye]

Nobody is paying any attention right now.

Your framing on this is interesting.

Obama went to Congress in 2013 for their approval of a military strike solution in Syria.
They turned him down, and he abided by that decision.
All of the "humiliations" you tally up to the present can be traced back to that decision.

So your framing, while appearing to be critical of the neo-con perspective, it fact validates it.

Obama was weak for abiding by the decision of the Congress. If the Executive Branch had "gone it alone", Obama would not be in his current "humiliating" position.

also, this:



.

[tapitsbo]

Another possibility is that if the USA hadn't attacked Syria OR funded the jihadi destabilization, America wouldn't be in such a humiliating position.

[Wombaticus Rex]

Do you feel the way "reactionaries" as you call them (although you seem to be the one reacting) process and handle oncoming minority status in a way that's significantly different than other minorities? (I would say they're handling it more ineptly, that's what sticks out to me)

"Reactionaries" isn't some epithet Luther is shoe-horning into their organic grassroots movement -- it's an increasingly common form of self-identification in those circles, at least here in the United States.