Police probe school principal over deaths of THREE students

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Postby justdrew » Thu Jun 30, 2011 7:25 pm

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Nordic, in essence wrote:righteous outrage :playingknight:

justdrew wrote:and that's why this is a dead culture. we can't even be human to each other anymore blahblahblah

...all these people trusted him. All of them. but unnamed people who've never so much as met him feel they have every right to ASSUME he's a child molester.


Hello, 'defying three orders to stop' means nothing?

I didn't assume he was a child molester, just that he was in violation of orders three times over and in a very creepy way, and therefore, logically, deserving of being fired, and then investigated.


Mr Kenney, a certified hypnotist who has written a book on the subject.


some news says "ordered" other times I've read "advised" - advised is not the same as ordered. A subtle distinction no doubt lost on some reports, especially when they can use that lost distinction to paint their target according to pre-determined narrative in a bad light. I would have ADVISED him to not do it too, but he theoretically knew what he was doing and was the Principle of the school, in the absence of ANY clear causality I would hold off. I do hope he recorded every sessio9n at least. If he didn't he's too much of a fool to remain a school Principle and that would be suspicious.
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Re: Police probe school principal over deaths of THREE stude

Postby justdrew » Thu Jun 30, 2011 7:30 pm

Wombaticus Rex wrote:Drew, thanks for blowing my fucking mind a little bit. I appreciate the weird signal.

Personally "sex" doesn't enter into it at all. Hypnosis is an actual invasion of mental space. Three dead kids is seriously fucking anomalous and he has definitely earned the attention.

That said...

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any sort of intervention with another is an invasion of mental and/or physical space, spaces get invaded all the time, when it's done for good reason at the request and consent of both parties, so what?
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Re: Police probe school principal over deaths of THREE stude

Postby Pele'sDaughter » Thu Jun 30, 2011 7:31 pm

It's an odd story, for sure. I guess it would be natural to think about the hypnosis being a factor since that's something all the suicides had in common. We need more information, and I hope there will be more. Being a control freak when it comes to myself, I'd be hesitant to be put under hypnosis. I'd be surprised if I could be, in fact.

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Re: Police probe school principal over deaths of THREE stude

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Thu Jun 30, 2011 7:58 pm

justdrew wrote:any sort of intervention with another is an invasion of mental and/or physical space, spaces get invaded all the time, when it's done for good reason at the request and consent of both parties, so what?


....so some of them died afterwards. Again, that's pretty central to the story.'

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Re: Police probe school principal over deaths of THREE stude

Postby Nordic » Thu Jun 30, 2011 8:47 pm

justdrew wrote:
Nordic wrote:no matter what it's a boundry violation. you don't mess around with students. if i found out the principal at my stepdaughter's school had been giving her any extracurricular attention, especially something that involved her being alone with him, or something that would render her vulnerable to him, something he might be compelled to lie about later for any reason, i'd want to kill the motherfucker with my bare hands.


and that's why this is a dead culture. we can't even be human to each other anymore without fear that someone's going to have sex with someone else or might possibly have had had sex with someone. So in your theory everyone at that school has to behave like a damn robot. No two people must ever be alone together. It's insane... I hear what you're saying but my god, what a sterile hostile environment, one I would want to have nothing to do with. I just don't know, there's so much sickness, maybe he was up to something, seems like he was very obvious about it though and didn't try to hide anything. but no one is above suspicion when it come to sex... it's crazy. this is not a situation in which humans can live without being driven to sickness.

This guy truly believed he could help these kids, and did what he could, and now his career is over, he'll probably be divorce and homeless in a few months depending on how this goes, because of groundless baseless suspicion over "witchcraft" they might as well just burn him.

Principal George Kenney is believed to have hypnotized up to 75 people, including students, members of the school staff and their children.


all these people trusted him. All of them. but unnamed people who've never so much as met him feel they have every right to ASSUME he's a child molester.



i didn't suggest that he was a child molester in the classic physical sense of it, but that his actions were grossly inappropriate and highly suspect. people get off in so many ways, and if indeed he thought he was "helping" people by showing off his abilities, it was still grossly inappropriate to exploit his position as a principal in order to have a large and steady supply of "subjects". his judgement in this alone shows him to be unfit to be a principal.

what if he was a reflexologist and thought he could "help" all these kids by giving them private foot massages? wouldn't that be considered exceedingly creepy? yes it would!
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Re: Police probe school principal over deaths of THREE stude

Postby justdrew » Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:40 pm

Wombaticus Rex wrote:
justdrew wrote:any sort of intervention with another is an invasion of mental and/or physical space, spaces get invaded all the time, when it's done for good reason at the request and consent of both parties, so what?


....so some of them died afterwards. Again, that's pretty central to the story.'


yeah, but I'm sure you know as well as anyone: correlation != causation

as far as I can tell from the stories, people went to him, not the other way around, so people thinking about suicide might well have looked for some assistance with some part of what they felt was getting them down, yet been unwilling to state "I'm thinking about suicide" - so it doesn't really surprise me. How many students who go on to kill themselves at some point beforehand visited the school councilor? (if they still even have those these days, I'd guess some schools have them, many don't.)

and that said...
I did witness a one armed man on the way home from work today :ohwh
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Re: Police probe school principal over deaths of THREE stude

Postby justdrew » Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:47 pm

Pele'sDaughter wrote:It's an odd story, for sure. I guess it would be natural to think about the hypnosis being a factor since that's something all the suicides had in common. We need more information, and I hope there will be more. Being a control freak when it comes to myself, I'd be hesitant to be put under hypnosis. I'd be surprised if I could be, in fact.

I'll be off work and off line for the next four days, so I'll apologize in advance for ignoring my own thread.


A couple years ago I decided to try something and went to see a hypnotherapist type guy. I specifically told him I wanted to have some "proof" that I was actually hypnotisable. It didn't seem to work. It was a relaxing induction, but I didn't really 'let go' I guess? He tested with a mild poke at one point :shrug: I have a CD recording of the whole session. He never asked me to say a word, since I think he must have known I wasn't really in the somnambulic (sp?) state. Kind of a let-down, but I deemed it too costly to try again. Nice fellow though.
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Re: Police probe school principal over deaths of THREE stude

Postby justdrew » Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:51 pm

Nordic wrote:i didn't suggest that he was a child molester in the classic physical sense of it, but that his actions were grossly inappropriate and highly suspect. people get off in so many ways, and if indeed he thought he was "helping" people by showing off his abilities, it was still grossly inappropriate to exploit his position as a principal in order to have a large and steady supply of "subjects". his judgement in this alone shows him to be unfit to be a principal.

what if he was a reflexologist and thought he could "help" all these kids by giving them private foot massages? wouldn't that be considered exceedingly creepy? yes it would!


yes indeed it would, and yes, running a free hypnotherapy practice out of the Principles' office does seem like poor judgement, because this blow-up doesn't seem all that unpredictable. Again, I hope he has recordings (and I hope there wasn't something nasty going on, I just suspect there wasn't)
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Re: Police probe school principal over deaths of THREE stude

Postby 82_28 » Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:10 pm

justdrew wrote:
Wombaticus Rex wrote:Drew, thanks for blowing my fucking mind a little bit. I appreciate the weird signal.

Personally "sex" doesn't enter into it at all. Hypnosis is an actual invasion of mental space. Three dead kids is seriously fucking anomalous and he has definitely earned the attention.

That said...

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any sort of intervention with another is an invasion of mental and/or physical space, spaces get invaded all the time, when it's done for good reason at the request and consent of both parties, so what?


Agreed with both of you. However, I will say this. My shrink hypnotized me a couple of years ago and I didn't feel right for about three days straight after, so I am not on board with the "so what" part. I'd never been hypnotized before and actually thought it was impossible for some reason. But you can get hypnotized I discovered -- surprise. It's just your active mind tries to fight out of it and sure didn't make me feel good. It worked, but it didn't work. He was trying to "calm me" enough to take my first tab of Abilify which I was dead set against ingesting in the first place.
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Re: Police probe school principal over deaths of THREE stude

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:58 pm

Wombaticus Rex wrote:reading comprehension is always the first casualty of meme fatigue


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Re: Police probe school principal over deaths of THREE stude

Postby MinM » Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:03 am

Image@NYDailyNews: Florida schools are paying $600K after three teens died following hypnotism from a principal. http://nydn.us/1OlydU9
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Re: Police probe school principal over deaths of THREE stude

Postby Pele'sDaughter » Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:41 am

Thanks. I'd forgotten I'd posted about this in the first place! :starz:
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Re: Police probe school principal over deaths of THREE stude

Postby Iamwhomiam » Thu Oct 08, 2015 12:23 pm

Thanks, minM, & Pele'sDaughter. I was unaware of earlier reports and coverage here.
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