Fixed Flat Earth?

[Elihu]

double post

[Elihu]

my impression of dnc combined with the avatar, who is that? kojak, robert blake? was one of wryness and oh no this cant ever be undone!

lovin General Pattons new avatar. i thought of starting a thread once, "Favorite Avatar Ever", and screenames, an open poll, sort em rank em, comment etc thought it might be fun

[divideandconquer]

my impression of dnc combined with the avatar, who is that? kojak, robert blake? was one of wryness and oh no this cant ever be undone!

Yes, something like that...I certainly do NOT support the "divide and conquer" war strategem that is so often used against us. Moreover, when I signed up I thought d&c was the primary modus operandi of the ruling elite, but since then I have developed a more nuanced view of this strategy, especially in relation to the globalization agenda and the false universalism to which they want mankind to submit.

By the way, it's Colombo.

[tapitsbo]

So I was watching some Youtube videos in Arabic trying to learn the language and saw some guy grieving over the fact Islamic State enforces some zany beliefs about astronomy. Seemed related to this thread

beliefs are one thing statebeliefs are entirely another

What I was getting at is that this statebelief might come from the same psy-op incubator tank as the Youtube maestros on display here.

[82_28]

BTW it's ColUmbo. I watch his show every Sunday night! I love that show. His non-existent wife he always brings up, his ghetto appearance, ghetto ass car and the all important walking out the door, pointing in the air and saying "just one more thing" -- great show that was. Still is.

[PufPuf93]

my impression of dnc combined with the avatar, who is that? kojak, robert blake? was one of wryness and oh no this cant ever be undone!

lovin General Pattons new avatar. i thought of starting a thread once, "Favorite Avatar Ever", and screenames, an open poll, sort em rank em, comment etc thought it might be fun

Who is General Patton's new avatar? I have wanted to ask.

To be on topic the idea that the earth is flat is ludicrous but I am attracted to woo like a bee to nectar (but tend to being materialist in nature).

No doubt some mathematician could devise a flat earth mathematics that works as a model of reality.

One thing that attracts me to RI is the smart people that skirt the edge of woo where fun or interesting things or ideas roam. RI is simultaneously high in woo and rational thought which is cool. Many/most threads I have nothing to add but have a high probability about thinking something new.

One does not need to convince me that much woo is purposely disseminated by actors with agenda(s). For example the idea of conspiracy theory has become part of popular culture. Many conspiracy theories are idiotic but then maybe the conspiracy theory of human history is what is most real too, separating the chaff from the seed is ever more problematic because of the foolishness dumped into media and conversation. The agenda may be simply to keep as many as possible confused and stupid and distracted.

"Strong" belief in "Crisis Actors" or "Flat Earth" theories are disconcerting but can be seed for interesting conversation. I would dislike if RI got too heavily into being a debunking site so would rather not much time spent on "Strong" woo theories. Still I for one find this an interesting thread but not worth folks getting frustrated or angry at each other. The earth is not flat except locally.

There is much there we do not see nor have an explanation or even the ability for a complete explanation. Technology that looks like magic and all that rot. Similarly people work together "conspire" in many ways, often not self-evident. The "strong hand" guiding a conspiracy is the rare exception rather than the rule. The "strong hand" conspiracy again is local in nature. Most large conspiracies are the throw the spaghetti on the wall grooming of social groups.

[tapitsbo]

Ah, but are social groups generally groomed by spilling/throwing spaghetti on walls?

[PufPuf93]

Ah, but are social groups generally groomed by spilling/throwing spaghetti on walls?

That may not be the best metaphor.

Think Faux News and the drone of the general demonization of liberals ad infinitum.

Is there terrorism? Blame the liberals.

Is there crime? Blame the liberals.

Are taxes too high? Blame the liberals.

Ad infinitum. Pointless blather.

The Faux fans learn a response.

My dog got ran over. Damned liberals.

Blame the liberals = spaghetti.

Faux fans = social group.

[Burnt Hill]

I like this thread and found this interesting.
Pictures at link-

http://borderlandresearch.com/how-atlas ... lies-to-us

HOW ATLAS’ CAMERA LIES TO US!

Posted on August 31, 2011


by Ray Palmer reprinted from FLYING SAUCERS, June, 1960

Earth Curvature Anomalies

Shown here is a photo of the earth taken from an Atlas ICBM at an altitude of 100 miles, purporting to show the curvature of the Earth. As will be proved in this article, this cannot be a fact; that to use this or other photos as evidence of the curvature of the Earth is to misconstrue the evidence. To those of us who have ever watched a ship sail to sea, it is evident that the Earth’s surface is curved, and that the curvature drops away from our own position in all directions. We have watched the ship go hull-down over the horizon, its funnels and mast last to disappear. To an observer on the shore, standing six feet tall, the ship disappears very rapidly; and at the most, his limit of vision is 23 miles, the distance of the horizon. Also, allowing his eyes to travel around the horizon, he notes it to be curved, and if he is located on a ship at sea, he can turn about until he describes a full 360 degree circle and finds that the horizon returns to its starting point. He thus sees an area of the Earth’s surface approximately 46 miles in diameter. If our observer goes up in an airplane, perhaps to a height of a mile, he finds that the horizon (by what is called optical-illusion?) ascends with him, so that although he has elevated himself a mile, the horizon also has seemed to elevate itself so that it is still directly ahead of him, at eye-level, and not below him, as he might suspect. Indeed, if he ascends ten miles, he finds the horizon still at eye-level. As high as man has been, in balloon or plane, he has found that the horizon has kept pace with him. The only difference due to his variation in height is a variation in the total area of the Earth’s surface he can see. At one mile, he can see a great deal more than he can at 6 feet. How much more can be accurately calculated by anyone with a little knowledge of geometry. But one thing is sure, it is a far cry from seeing the whole Earth.

Take a look at the Atlas picture which shows an area of the Earth extending approximately from Omaha, Nebraska to Mexico City, Mexico. The exact distance can be determined by anyone interested by consulting a map, or measuring it on a globe. In comparison to the total expanse of one hemisphere of the Earth, it is an area illustrated in Figure I. It is easy to see that Atlas’ camera can see, from its 100-mile-high perch, an area of the earth considerably less than the area of the United States of America. In relation to the North American continent as a whole, it is actually an insignificant portion. In relation to the two American continents, Europe and Africa, and portions of Asia, it is certainly far from the area of one side of Earth. No person in seriousness would claim that the curved line originating from the location given as Omaha and culminating in the location described as Mexico City would be the curvature of the surface of the Earth for the obvious reason that it would reduce the diameter of the Earth to less than one-eighth its actual diameter!

It is easy to see that Omaha is not virtually on the other side of the Earth from Mexico City, yet in this photograph our eyes tell us that this is so! The camera (which does not lie?) tells us that to a person standing in Omaha, an inhabitant of Mexico City, like the traditional “Chinaman,” stands with his head downward, and his feet toward those of the Citizen of Omaha! Obviously, this curve, which we are told is the curvature of the Earth, is not the curvature of a body 8,300 (approximately) miles in diameter, but merely the HORIZON as viewed from 100-miles up! The Atlas’ camera is seeing no more proof of the curvature of the Earth than our original observer standing on the seashore, watching a ship disappear below the horizon! All Atlas’ camera sees is a larger area than the earthbound observer. And it is an area circumscribed by that very same horizon that limits the range of ground observers, except that it is farther away.

Earth Curvature AnomaliesThe curve noticed is an optical illusion, an additionally pronounced distortion of the straight line (viewed horizontally) of the horizon, which is a property of all lenses, including the human eye. As we increase the distance from a horizontally placed straight line, the apparent curvature of it increases, inversely with the square of the distance. At a sufficient distance, it becomes a complete circle.

This curved line which purports to show the curvature of the Earth from 100 miles up is the horizon as seen from the Atlas, and the area covered is demonstrated by Figure II, which shows the incidence of the line of sight from the Atlas with the surface of the Earth, which actually is curved, but is limited to our position and the aberrations induced by circular lenses such those of a camera and those of the human eye. In this Atlas photograph, the camera has still been aimed horizontally, at right angles to the perpendicular, and what is being seen is still at eye level to the observer, be he human or camera!

Many of us have seen on our television screens, the movies of the curvature of the Earth taken from an Atlas. We have noted the curved side of the Earth as it moved jerkily past us in a vertical direction, and have marveled at seeing the actual curve of the Earth. But this, too, is an inadvertent (?) trick, for if we were to lie on our sides before the television set we would be treated to a peculiar illusion_the Earth curvature we marvel at as we sit erect now becomes merely the horizon, and even to our inexperienced eye, we know that it is in a straight line and the curve is only the progression of that line around us (as is the habit of horizons) in its effort to surround us completely in a full 360 degree circle!

[Elvis]

There's woo, and there's woo-woo.

[General Patton]

Kaya Scodelario

[PufPuf93]

Kaya Scodelario

Thank you.

Kaya is a very pretty young woman and is a new name to me.

I thought perhaps your avatar was of a young Lindsay Lohan.

[stoneonstone]

Thought it was a late 80's Sarah McLachlan...

[BrandonD]

I have great admiration for every one who is calmly responding, or quietly tolerating the assertions in this thread, or indeed, its very existence.

I do not have such patience, and I'm sorry if I offend as we're all human and fallible, and nothing I'm about to say means I'm lacking in compassion, I'm just far behind others here in my capacity to distance and understand.

I find the rejection of reality, verified by my own eyes as I've been fortunate enough to have ridden in an airplane and looked at the ocean, utterly and completely maddening. The postings by proponents sound exactly like the musings of the alters under age 8 in my system who are stuck with magical thinking as their sole coping mechanism.

Obviously, the most logical conclusion about these claims is that they serve elementally in constructing the final nail into the coffin of "conspiracy theory" and their introduction is part of a hilarious, but quite intentional psy-op. That people would take them seriously, and expound on that to claim that disparate organizations spanning generations of scientists are some part of some grand, 1,000 year conspiracy is the very definition of madness, the absolute absence of logic and discernment.

As in *absolutely every* conspiracy of this type, thousands of conspirators are not in any way required.

The reason for this is one simple but unpleasant fact: human beings in western culture do not care what is true.

We only care about the truth when it suits us. And very often the truth does not suit us, because our current culture is built upon layers and layers of mutually agreed-upon lies.

If one assumes that our current culture is based upon humanity's best and honest appraisal of what is true, then I might have difficulty discussing the finer points of reality with that person, because we are divergent on a very fundamental point about the world.

And if one agrees that our current culture is infused with layers of mutually agreed-upon self deception, then that person would not be so quick to casually disregard a subject that our thoroughly corrupt and deceptive culture sneers and laughs at.

This does not mean that an aggressively opposed subject is necessarily true, it means that I don't consider it wise to follow the consensus of a culture built upon lies, or the consensus of authority figures who are nearly 100% illegitimate.

This post does not speak specifically to the subject of flat earth, but rather to the underlying emotionally-based attitudes that cause people to attack those who seriously consider ideas that our appointed "intelligentsia" have deemed off-limits.

When the model of our world presented to us and our personal experience do not align in some way, this is creating a space for a conspiracy to grow. A conspiracy will grow when it addresses this inconsistency that we are collectively choosing to ignore. This is how it occurs every single time.

This does not mean that the conceptual theory underlying a conspiracy is necessarily true, but still that conspiracy is pointing to something of significance. It is pointing to a lie that has yet to be honestly addressed.

[divideandconquer]

I have great admiration for every one who is calmly responding, or quietly tolerating the assertions in this thread, or indeed, its very existence.

I do not have such patience, and I'm sorry if I offend as we're all human and fallible, and nothing I'm about to say means I'm lacking in compassion, I'm just far behind others here in my capacity to distance and understand.

I find the rejection of reality, verified by my own eyes as I've been fortunate enough to have ridden in an airplane and looked at the ocean, utterly and completely maddening. The postings by proponents sound exactly like the musings of the alters under age 8 in my system who are stuck with magical thinking as their sole coping mechanism.

Obviously, the most logical conclusion about these claims is that they serve elementally in constructing the final nail into the coffin of "conspiracy theory" and their introduction is part of a hilarious, but quite intentional psy-op. That people would take them seriously, and expound on that to claim that disparate organizations spanning generations of scientists are some part of some grand, 1,000 year conspiracy is the very definition of madness, the absolute absence of logic and discernment.

As in *absolutely every* conspiracy of this type, thousands of conspirators are not in any way required.

The reason for this is one simple but unpleasant fact: human beings in western culture do not care what is true.

We only care about the truth when it suits us. And very often the truth does not suit us, because our current culture is built upon layers and layers of mutually agreed-upon lies.

If one assumes that our current culture is based upon humanity's best and honest appraisal of what is true, then I might have difficulty discussing the finer points of reality with that person, because we are divergent on a very fundamental point about the world.

And if one agrees that our current culture is infused with layers of mutually agreed-upon self deception, then that person would not be so quick to casually disregard a subject that our thoroughly corrupt and deceptive culture sneers and laughs at.

This does not mean that an aggressively opposed subject is necessarily true, it means that I don't consider it wise to follow the consensus of a culture built upon lies, or the consensus of authority figures who are nearly 100% illegitimate.

This post does not speak specifically to the subject of flat earth, but rather to the underlying emotionally-based attitudes that cause people to attack those who seriously consider ideas that our appointed "intelligentsia" have deemed off-limits.

When the model of our world presented to us and our personal experience do not align in some way, this is creating a space for a conspiracy to grow. A conspiracy will grow when it addresses this inconsistency that we are collectively choosing to ignore. This is how it occurs every single time.

This does not mean that the conceptual theory underlying a conspiracy is necessarily true, but still that conspiracy is pointing to something of significance. It is pointing to a lie that has yet to be honestly addressed.

“It is not a matter of what is true that counts, but a matter of what is perceived to be true.”― Henry Kissinger

And he would know.

The sanctioned reality box is always present-- both inside and outside the mainstream. We’re allowed to think/voice/question only the thoughts/opinions/questions/topics that are sanctioned by the boundaries of this box. Any who attempt to step outside the boundaries of this box are punished and it doesn't take long to figure where those boundaries lie. Yet we've been lied to, tricked, deceived and treated like chattel-cattle from the very beginning...we have a right to be very suspicious of everything, especially the unsanctioned.

The boundaries at RI are very clear. Yes, you can discuss topics and information ignored by the mainstream, but don't venture too far, and by all means do NOT ever question what's become the rigidly intolerant dogma of liberal/secular politics and of the scientific elite.

Having said that, RI has never removed my comments and/or threads and--obviously--I haven't been banned and for that I'm grateful. And I stay here because I'm even more uncomfortable with the black and white thinking and rigidly intolerant dogma of conservative politics and that of conservative Christians (I'm much more a liberal Christian). But I'm not here to divide or conquer. I don't even start many threads--even though there are a lot of topics I'd like to explore--mainly because I really don't like to instigate wrath (I'm a Libra ) and as WR so aptly stated, lack the competence to conquer, which I have ZERO desire to do, anyway.