How the US Helped Create Al Qaeda and ISIS

[zangtang]

ill conceived, poor taste, bad judgement.

224 people murdered. not a joke.

[Nordic]

Endless ISIS convoy of white Toyota puckups, accompanied by what sure appears to be a US Army Apache helicopter.



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=

[AlicetheKurious]

Endless ISIS convoy of white Toyota puckups, accompanied by what sure appears to be a US Army Apache helicopter.

Those who formulate and propagate US propaganda are either incredibly stupid and incompetent, or they have so much contempt for the public that they don't care. I believe it's the second, because by this time it's common knowledge around the world that "ISIS" is a fabrication by US/UK/Israeli intelligence to cover for their own criminal activities against states they target. Very little is hidden anymore: we know which other countries are co-conspirators; we know where and how its members are recruited; how much they are paid, how and where they are transported and trained, where their equipment and money comes from, how they extract oil in the territories they take over, and which countries buy their stolen oil. Not only is it well-known for what purpose it was formed, but also the purpose that is planned for it in the future.

Furthermore, the key objectives of this intelligence operation in the current phase have failed, and will fail even more in the future. In other words, as a covert intelligence operation it is a total dud, and has even back-fired, serving to strip bare much that was previously hidden about the tactics, strategy and objectives of those behind it, which have all been identified.

When I say "we", I exclude their trance-fixed mental captives, those who are no longer capable of distinguishing between reality and "reality", who see, hear and think only what they are given to see, hear and think. But they don't matter, and never will. Having abdicated their power, their own governments ignore them and treat them with the contempt they deserve.

Having failed in the East, the "ISIS" operation will not be discarded, but will be used in the West, to sow hatred, division, to fatally weaken nations and give the predators free reign to enslave the people even more. That's not our problem. It's yours.

For too long, the so-called "West" has allowed itself to be taken over by strategists infected with the "neocon"/Zionist psychosis, solipsism, in which certain members of an elite and exclusive club, and only they, are "history's actors", who create reality and monopolize its interpretation, while everyone else struggles in vain to either "keep up" or are passive pawns in that "reality". For a time, the sheer audacity and evil of the perpetrators, unfettered by any of the moral or even practical inhibitions that characterize sane, mature, human beings, in effect did allow them to operate freely, because rational people could neither comprehend, nor were they prepared to cope with such maniacs and the nightmarish world they created. But in their hubris, these self-appointed creators of reality ignored the fact that the nations they were targeting are deeply rooted in history and the land, with national identities formed over millenia, with a will to live and to be free that, once awakened, are capable of galvanizing them to mobilize and strike back, hard.

Stay tuned. It's about to start getting interesting.

[coffin_dodger]

Alice:

When I say "we", I exclude their trance-fixed mental captives, those who are no longer capable of distinguishing between reality and "reality"

Sorry to veer from OP, but I finally understand the term 'Existentialism' - in it's true sense.

Existentialism epitomises contentious definition, but this statement -

"a sense of disorientation and confusion in the face of an apparently meaningless or absurd world."

...sums it up perfectly.

Existentialism can be faced, acknowledged and embraced as an ally - for change.

Or incrementally, desperately, pushed away - denial. "Everything's going to be ok - they wouldn't do that, would they?"

Cognitive dissonance and double bind are blended, to affect a state of existential angst amongst the guilded cage of the Western mind. Many become trapped in the labyrinth of denial, deceiving themselves - a path that leads to further confusion, fear, aggression, addiction and a sense of hopelessness that ultimately translates to compliance through inaction.

Forgive us Alice, for we are easily led astray.

[tapitsbo]

Are we really supposed to think ISIS was meant to be utterly inscrutable all along?

Like 9/11 but more so, since the get-go the group has seemed to me to have had an intentionally translucent quality. We're supposed to know TPTB has a finger in this pie.

TVO's "The Agenda" has an episode about the group where you can almost see the thin covering of obscurity come off.

[PufPuf93]

Are we really supposed to think ISIS was meant to be utterly inscrutable all along?

Like 9/11 but more so, since the get-go the group has seemed to me to have had an intentionally translucent quality. We're supposed to know TPTB has a finger in this pie.

TVO's "The Agenda" has an episode about the group where you can almost see the thin covering of obscurity come off.

Remember the good old days when AQ would regularly drop dubious video tapes in the media with the latest from OBL or his latest #2?

I am still pondering when and why Mullah Omar ceased to be a target or person of interest.

Remember when Colin Powell showed the UN the nifty underground fort we were going to build OSB in Afghanistan but forgot to?

Very few Americans recall that we assisted the Taliban before we were against them.

[tapitsbo]

The American public isn't the only audience for this sketchiness!

Great point about Mullah Omar, though.

And it seems Al-Qaeda were the enemy for so long that lots of Americans are confused about why they're an ally, now.

[Nordic]

Well put, Alice (as always!), and yes, these people (neocons etc) are able to get away with so much for the diabolically simple reason that they are quite willing to do the unthinkable.

Which makes them difficult to stop because by definition you're never gonna imagine just how monstrous they're gonna be. The only way to stop them is through extreme prejudice. Which I hope somebody takes care of. I don't really care who it is. The world needs to be rid of these psychopaths.

[AlicetheKurious]

The only way to stop them is through extreme prejudice. Which I hope somebody takes care of. I don't really care who it is. The world needs to be rid of these psychopaths.

I disagree. First, because their forte is misdirection and they're rarely who and where we think they are, and second, because no individual among them is irreplaceable. Even if one or more of the genuine "movers and shakers" (rather than one of their many convincing front-men) were to be identified and assassinated, the others would exploit this, too, and use it to further their collective agenda.

No, the most effective way to fight back is to deny them what they want. It's far more important to identify their objectives and thwart them, than to strike at individuals. Their agenda is nothing less than to impose their hegemony on the entire world by monopolizing its supply of money, food, fuel, military "full-spectrum dominance", to draw and re-draw national borders, to appoint and remove any state's government at will, and to control the interpretation of reality through the media. The last is very important, because their power ultimately depends on their ability to make "us", the people, aspire to fulfill their goals, to make us identify with them and act on their behalf. They make us hate or suspect the very things that can potentially empower us, and love the things that weaken us. Deprived of this power, they are nothing.

Any action to thwart any of their objectives poses a far bigger threat to these aspiring, self-appointed Masters than any assassination could ever be. But this war cannot be fought by individuals, nor by non-state actors. Alone, individuals and groups don't stand a snowball's chance in hell, and would not only be easily eliminated, but transmuted into yet another device to advance the aspiring Masters' goals. Only militarily and economically strong, integral nation-states accountable only to their own people and whose national discourse is an indigenous product rather than imported from the outside, are capable of defeating "them", especially if, as they must, such states ally with each other and form a collective resistance front.

Such nation-states, and such a front, are in the process of forming, led by Russia, China, some states in Latin America and Africa and my own country, Egypt, for example. They are struggling for sovereignty, against the forces of globalization, against the "world order", which in reality aims to impose disorder, chaos, fragmentation and rendering the peoples of the world unable to control and benefit from their own wealth, or even their own labor. The challenge is enormous, and failure is not an option.

[AlicetheKurious]

[tapitsbo]

Many areas that are currently under the control of the American-centred powers are full of people who think like you, Alice. Certainly areas like Eastern Europe are.

[justdrew]

Now the truth emerges: Here’s how the US fueled the rise of ISIS in Syria and Iraq
Seumas Milne, The Guardian | 15 Nov 2015 at 09:33 ET

The war on terror, that campaign without end launched 14 years ago by George Bush, is tying itself up in ever more grotesque contortions. On Monday the trial in London of a Swedish man, Bherlin Gildo, accused of terrorism in Syria, collapsed after it became clear British intelligence had been arming the same rebel groups the defendant was charged with supporting.

The prosecution abandoned the case, apparently to avoid embarrassing the intelligence services. The defence argued that going ahead with the trial would have been an “affront to justice” when there was plenty of evidence the British state was itself providing “extensive support” to the armed Syrian opposition.

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That didn’t only include the “non-lethal assistance” boasted of by the government (including body armour and military vehicles), but training, logistical support and the secret supply of “arms on a massive scale”. Reports were cited that MI6 had cooperated with the CIA on a “rat line” of arms transfers from Libyan stockpiles to the Syrian rebels in 2012 after the fall of the Gaddafi regime.

Clearly, the absurdity of sending someone to prison for doing what ministers and their security officials were up to themselves became too much. But it’s only the latest of a string of such cases. Less fortunate was a London cab driver Anis Sardar, who was given a life sentence a fortnight earlier for taking part in 2007 in resistance to the occupation of Iraq by US and British forces. Armed opposition to illegal invasion and occupation clearly doesn’t constitute terrorism or murder on most definitions, including the Geneva convention.

But terrorism is now squarely in the eye of the beholder. And nowhere is that more so than in the Middle East, where today’s terrorists are tomorrow’s fighters against tyranny – and allies are enemies – often at the bewildering whim of a western policymaker’s conference call.

For the past year, US, British and other western forces have been back in Iraq, supposedly in the cause of destroying the hyper-sectarian terror group Islamic State (formerly known as al-Qaida in Iraq). This was after Isis overran huge chunks of Iraqi and Syrian territory and proclaimed a self-styled Islamic caliphate.

The campaign isn’t going well. Last month, Isis rolled into the Iraqi city of Ramadi, while on the other side of the now nonexistent border its forces conquered the Syrian town of Palmyra. Al-Qaida’s official franchise, the Nusra Front, has also been making gains in Syria.

Some Iraqis complain that the US sat on its hands while all this was going on. The Americans insist they are trying to avoid civilian casualties, and claim significant successes. Privately, officials say they don’t want to be seen hammering Sunni strongholds in a sectarian war and risk upsetting their Sunni allies in the Gulf.

A revealing light on how we got here has now been shone by a recently declassified secret US intelligence report, written in August 2012 , which uncannily predicts – and effectively welcomes – the prospect of a “Salafist principality” in eastern Syria and an al-Qaida-controlled Islamic state in Syria and Iraq. In stark contrast to western claims at the time, the Defense Intelligence Agency document identifies al-Qaida in Iraq (which became Isis) and fellow Salafists as the “major forces driving the insurgency in Syria” – and states that “western countries, the Gulf states and Turkey” were supporting the opposition’s efforts to take control of eastern Syria.

Raising the “possibility of establishing a declared or undeclared Salafist principality”, the Pentagon report goes on, “this is exactly what the supporting powers to the opposition want, in order to isolate the Syrian regime, which is considered the strategic depth of the Shia expansion (Iraq and Iran)”.

American forces bomb one set of rebels while backing another in Syria

Which is pretty well exactly what happened two years later . The report isn’t a policy document. It’s heavily redacted and there are ambiguities in the language. But the implications are clear enough. A year into the Syrian rebellion, the US and its allies weren’t only supporting and arming an opposition they knew to be dominated by extreme sectarian groups; they were prepared to countenance the creation of some sort of “Islamic state” – despite the “grave danger” to Iraq’s unity – as a Sunni buffer to weaken Syria .

That doesn’t mean the US created Isis, of course, though some of its Gulf allies certainly played a role in it – as the US vice-president, Joe Biden, acknowledged last year. But there was no al-Qaida in Iraq until the US and Britain invaded. And the US has certainly exploited the existence of Isis against other forces in the region as part of a wider drive to maintain western control.

The calculus changed when Isis started beheading westerners and posting atrocities online, and the Gulf states are now backing other groups in the Syrian war, such as the Nusra Front. But this US and western habit of playing with jihadi groups, which then come back to bite them, goes back at least to the 1980s war against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, which fostered the original al-Qaida under CIA tutelage.

It was recalibrated during the occupation of Iraq, when US forces led by General Petraeus sponsored an El Salvador-style dirty war of sectarian death squads to weaken the Iraqi resistance. And it was reprised in 2011 in the Nato-orchestrated war in Libya, where Isis last week took control of Gaddafi’s home town of Sirte.

In reality, US and western policy in the conflagration that is now the Middle East is in the classic mould of imperial divide-and-rule. American forces bomb one set of rebels while backing another in Syria, and mount what are effectively joint military operations with Iran against Isis in Iraq while supporting Saudi Arabia’s military campaign against Iranian-backed Houthi forces in Yemen. However confused US policy may often be, a weak, partitioned Iraq and Syria fit such an approach perfectly.

What’s clear is that Isis and its monstrosities won’t be defeated by the same powers that brought it to Iraq and Syria in the first place, or whose open and covert war-making has fostered it in the years since. Endless western military interventions in the Middle East have brought only destruction and division. It’s the people of the region who can cure this disease – not those who incubated the virus.

[AlicetheKurious]

I just saw this video, and listened in shock as the ring of truth (for once!) could be heard on teevee... for 10 whole minutes.

[slimmouse]

Wow, what a return Alice, so many thanks for this.

I saw this live, and was kicking myself cos I couldnt remember the guys name, in order to look at youtube for the clip.

If I was allowed to appear on RT and sum this whole charade up, He took the words right out of my mouth.

[seemslikeadream]

there it is....