Terrorists take Eagles of Death Metal show in Paris hostage

[justdrew]

IF the US were going to do anything about isis, wouldn't the sane place to start be in Iraq?

WTF has even happened to the Iraqi government/military? I have litterally heard/read nothing about them in many many months. Kurdish forces can attack and defeat isis, but iraqi military can even field a fighting force, apparently. kinda hard to believe.

and what became of Iran helping Iraq? I though six months+ ago the story was they were making great progress. odd how that seems to have just stalled out.

[PufPuf93]

Magog (ancient Scythia) is extreme southern Russia/Armenia. Gog does not appear in the Table of Nations. Of course, there are dozens of ridiculous maps of Gog and Magog on the internet. They are all more or less the product of fevered dreams.

Gog and Magog are an idea rather than a place to those that cater to Biblical prophesy (which IMO is dangerous bull shit). I wish the very idea would go away.

Most believers or those that would exploit Believers probably can not identify the geography of that region of the world regardless of their own interests much less the geography of long ago history.

Much of the political posturing since the fall of the Soviets has been nibbling at the former sphere of influence of the former USSR for the traditional motivations of power, resources, and space: the Great Game.

Russia is on the ascendancy to a small degree because of the failures of the USA/NATO.

[Lord Balto]

Magog (ancient Scythia) is extreme southern Russia/Armenia. Gog does not appear in the Table of Nations. Of course, there are dozens of ridiculous maps of Gog and Magog on the internet. They are all more or less the product of fevered dreams.

Gog and Magog are an idea rather than a place to those that cater to Biblical prophesy (which IMO is dangerous bull shit). I wish the very idea would go away.

Most believers or those that would exploit Believers probably can not identify the geography of that region of the world regardless of their own interests much less the geography of long ago history.

Much of the political posturing since the fall of the Soviets has been nibbling at the former sphere of influence of the former USSR for the traditional motivations of power, resources, and space: the Great Game.

Russia is on the ascendancy to a small degree because of the failures of the USA/NATO.

The Christians have a real talent for twisting history around to fit their agenda.

[seemslikeadream]

george bush believed it and yes he is dangerous

Now out of office, Chirac recounts that the American leader appealed to their “common faith” (Christianity) and told him: “Gog and Magog are at work in the Middle East…. The biblical prophecies are being fulfilled…. This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase his people’s enemies before a New Age begins.”

[divideandconquer]

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/11/14/natos-turn-to-attack-paris-terrorist-isis/

NATO’s Turn to Attack

There’s a time for soft power and playing the long game. But the attacks in Paris prove the Islamic State is overdue for eradication.On the morning after France’s long night of terror, the language of war has been impossible to avoid.

President François Hollande declared the attacks on Paris “an act of war that was waged by a terrorist army, a jihadist army, by Daesh [the Islamic State], against France.” The Islamic State has hailed the “blessed” operation of its “soldiers” and has vowed continued attacks. Pope Francis has described the current state of events as “a piece” of a piecemeal Third World War.

The weather in Paris today is grim and gray, a reflection of the city’s somber mood. But as the French government prepares for a possible military response, France’s military allies — including the United States — would be wise to do the same. Paris would be within its rights to expect NATO to play a meaningful role in organizing a significant military response to the attacks.

In Brussels, at the political headquarters of NATO, and in Mons, the military “Pentagon” of NATO just an hour south, officials will be working through the weekend. The 28-nation alliance, after all, is founded on one key premise enshrined in the Article 5 of its founding treaty: “The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked.” It is worth noting that the only country to ever activate Article 5 was the United States after the 9/11 attacks in 2001.

If France would like to become the second such country, the first step would be to call for an Article 4 consultation, which would convene the ambassadors of the 28 nations, who are in permanent session in Brussels, to discuss the situation and decide a course of action. This happened most recently in 2014, when Turkey requested an Article 4 meeting after the Islamic State attacks there.

It seems likely that an Article 4 meeting would conclude that the Paris massacres, given their scale and scope, should be considered an attack under Article 5. That would be entirely appropriate. The terrorist attacks — assuming that the Islamic State is, in fact, responsible for them — are the culmination of a long-running humanitarian disaster in Syria that has destabilized the Middle East and initiated the flow of millions of refugees into the heart of Europe. NATO can no longer pretend the conflict does not affect its most basic interests.

The fundamental purpose of a NATO mission should be to defeat the Islamic state in Syria and destroy the infrastructure it has created there. Such a mission would have the additional benefit of demonstrating that NATO is willing to act decisively when it is under threat.

Setting aside the internal disagreements that sometimes slow it down, NATO is an imposing military force. NATO has tremendous military resources at its disposal, including over 3 million troops under arms (and more in reserve), over 25,000 military aircraft, 800 oceangoing major combatant ships, and 50 AWACS aircraft. Meanwhile, the group’s 28 nations represent over 50 percent of global GDP.

A major NATO mission against the Islamic State would consist of a number of smaller, practical steps. First, according to NATO’s treaty, the incident must be referred to the U.N. Security Council. In terms of international law, it would be ideal for the Security Council to endorse a military response, though NATO would be capable of proceeding regardless.

Second, the alliance should assign one of its major joint commands to lead the planning and conduct of any operational response. Since the Allied Joint Force Command in Brunssum in the Netherlands is fully engaged as the lead command for Afghanistan, the task would likely fall to the other major command: the Allied Joint Force Command in Naples, Italy. This is the command that conducted the intervention in Libya and is one that has significant planning and operational experience, as well as deep connections to coalition partners from the region — the United Arab Emirates, Jordan, Qatar, and others. NATO’s military planners should aim to include not only the alliance’s official members, but also its many coalition partners, including Sweden, Finland, and other regional actors.

A third key initiative would be to prepare NATO special forces for a central role in military operations. NATO Special Operations Headquarters in Casteau, Belgium, should take the lead in organizing intelligence-sharing among member states; it should also prepare the alliance’s joint special forces to be deployed on the ground in Syria to train and motivate anti-Islamic State fighters, gather firsthand intelligence, conduct raids, and serve as spotters for NATO and coalition aircraft.

Fourth, and most importantly in the long term, NATO should organize a training mission to work with both the combined Kurdish Peshmerga-Yazidi force operating in northern Iraq and the Iraqi security forces in Baghdad. Jordan — which has highly capable ground troops — should also be invited to participate at a high level. These efforts could be modeled on the NATO Training Mission-Iraq (NTM-I), which was in place from 2004 to 2011.

Fifth, the current U.S.-led bombing campaign in Syria and Iraq should come under NATO leadership. NATO could then increase the assets deployed in that mission by contributing additional aircraft, troops, ordnance, and AWACS aircraft, whose powerful radar provide 360-degree coverage of air battle space. NATO very effectively organized command and control over airspace in Afghanistan, and it could do the same in the current conflict.

Lastly, NATO should emphasize that it is building an “open coalition,” one that can not only include the forces of traditional allies, but also those of NATO’s traditional adversary, Russia. The Russian government claims to want to defeat the Islamic State, and it should have no lack of motivation, given the over 200 dead citizens — including many women and children — who seem to have been massacred by the Islamic State in the downing of a civilian aircraft just two weeks ago. Russia should be invited to participate alongside NATO and other coalition members against the Islamic State.

If the French seek strong NATO participation in a broad and lethal campaign against the Islamic State, Americans must offer support. They would be following the example set by the French on behalf of the United States after 9/11, and, in an earlier century, during the American Revolutionary War.

The Islamic State is an apocalyptic organization overdue for eradication. It has beheaded and raped citizens from around the world; has killed civilians in spectacular and horrific ways; has enslaved young women and girls and sold them in open markets; and appears to have brought down a commercial aircraft full of tourists. Now it has killed Westerners execution-style in a city theater. There is a time for soft power and playing the long game in the Middle East, but there is also a time for the ruthless application of hard power. It is NATO’s responsibility to recognize our current moment qualifies as the latter..

[fruhmenschen]

Best Coverage of France False Flag Op here


http://www.occurrencesforeigndomestic.com/

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pitiless kakistocracy
November 14, 2015 Uncategorized ‘pitiless war’, borders, foreknowledge, Gladio, ISIS, kakistocracy, mandatory curfew, Paris, POGO on misconduct, protected species, Sandzak

pitiless kakistocracy

Tweet (FrankfurtFinanz):

“Police in Paris are trying to determine if the terror attacks were committed by terrorists or “moderate” terrorists”

AT 11/13/2015 08:51:00 PM

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Paris Attack Photos

https://cryptome.org/2015-info/paris/paris-attacks.htm

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4Mrp6wuSwk

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A video posted by Le Monde on Saturday shows a glimpse at the horrifying scene of dozens fleeing gunfire outside a concert hall in central Paris.

The video [embedded], shot from an apartment balcony, shows a steam of people racing down a passageway in the building to a side street.

More:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/worl ... /75772032/

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BREAKING: US Air Strike Hits ISIS in Libya Chief, Presumed Dead // Kevin Baron

The head of the Islamic State in Libya is presumed dead after a U.S. airstrike targeted him early Saturday.

A senior U.S. official told Defense One that the man who goes by the nom de guerre Abu Nidal was believed to have been killed by the operation, which the official stressed was underway before the Paris attacks began on Friday and was not linked to that event.

The strike would be a significant blow to the Islamic State’s ambitions as the organization, its influence and it’s supply of foreign fighters has spread across North Africa. Libya has been a major concern for French military officials who have lobbied Washington to give that country greater attention due to its proximity to Europe, growing pool of foreign fighters and their potential to cross into Europe.

Read full article »

http://link.defenseone.com/view/55bbed3 ... 3/937029e4

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SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 14, 2015

Perfect sense

Two things France wanted to do:

1shut the borders to refugees; and

2join the war against the Syrian government.

“Paris attack may be false flag operation: Analyst”

“Another Paris False Flag Attack?”

“A warning about the Paris terror attacks”

You can see immediately why ISIS would want to put a bomb in a Russian plane. Russia is at war with ISIS. What possible motive could ISIS have to open up a new front now involving France? Aren’t they busy enough? On the other hand, if ISIS is just an intelligence tool of the Zio-American Empire, giving the French a reason to pretend to increase the fight against ISIS as a cover for an operation against the Syrian government, while simultaneously increasing Islamophobia and anti-refugee sentiment in Europe . . . well, everything suddenly makes perfect sense!

AT 11/14/2015 09:52:00 AM

Wrong policies

“Assad Blames France Wrong Policies For Terror Expansion” Earlier: “Assad: ‘West uses terrorism as new instrument to subjugate Middle East’” and “Assad Blames Western Support of ‘Terrorists’ for Migrant Crisis” Added: “France suffers from savage terror as Syrian people have been: Assad”

“Barakat: Heinous crime in Paris is the responsibility of imperialism, colonialism and reactionary forces”

People have wisely been discussing false flag, but we shouldn’t lose sight of the fact that ISIS is the creation and tool of Zio-American intelligence agencies, so everything it does or claims to do is by

[Wombaticus Rex]

Best Coverage of France False Flag Op here

Thanks for stopping through and hemorrhaging some raw text, buddy! Always a treat.

Anways, I have something else to address.

Now, granted, I've never read about this "Gladio" thing and I probably shouldn't comment, but I shall henceforth.

The sheer omnipotence being attributed to NATO (or Israel or The NWO or neo-cons) by presuming that projects like ISIS are taking orders from the top -- is insane to me. Even at Gladio's false flag peak, they were recruiting from abundantly available raw material: the true believers. To attribute the entire decades-long polymorphous history of Islamic resistance to the whims of some white, educated puppet master is to deny the free moral agency of generations of human beings.

Gladio is worthy of study; so is the history of sectarian struggles in Lebanon, because I think that's the model (and nightmare) that will shape the densely urbanized, climate refugee-flux communities of the century we're only just kicking off.

Nobody anywhere on Earth really has a monopoly on atrocity. It's what humans do.

I can't accept the notion that, somehow, NATO compels Asian and Middle Eastern power blocs in a way that doesn't work equally effectively in reverse. These are transactional relationships. Blackmail and terrorism are both easily utilized weapons for anyone dedicated enough to be dedicated enough.

To wrap up and be very specific, if you think that Arabs can't coordinate successful terror attacks in Europe without help -- or outright orchestration -- from white people, that's racist. My opinion. Islamic fundamentalist terrorism is a real thing. Intelligence agencies faking the work of Islamic fundamentalist terrorism is also a real thing. Neither negates the other. Nobody here really has answers about the subject under discussion.

That said, on with the discussion.

[tapitsbo]

I'm reeling from the amount of jingoistic "solidarity with France", facile "this is finally the beginning of an era of peace", and muddled "terrorists are the real victims" stuff I saw today. The terrorists ARE victims/patsies at the lowest ranks even if they are enthusiastic believers - but it's strange to see so many people gushing sympathy for them. My sympathies are drawn instead to the populations in the West and the Middle East that will have to suffer the reaction to this - NATO article 5, etc.

The sensationalist side of me loves the comments here about Templars and goat-worship. I hope this gets fleshed out a little for those who aren't literate in these matters.

[backtoiam]

I think this one might be close enough to call. The arrows unscramble into the date 11.13.15. The portrait-painting near the arrows in front of Alice is DaVinci's 'La Belle Ferronnière' -- housed in the Louve in Paris. Behind Alice in Wonderland is what could be an abandoned soccer ball (football) -- televised France-Germany soccer match that was interrupted by the attacks.

[fruhmenschen]

Best Coverage of France False Flag Op here


http://www.occurrencesforeigndomestic.com/

sample


pitiless kakistocracy
November 14, 2015 Uncategorized ‘pitiless war’, borders, foreknowledge, Gladio, ISIS, kakistocracy, mandatory curfew, Paris, POGO on misconduct, protected species, Sandzak

pitiless kakistocracy

Tweet (FrankfurtFinanz):

“Police in Paris are trying to determine if the terror attacks were committed by terrorists or “moderate” terrorists”

AT 11/13/2015 08:51:00 PM

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Paris Attack Photos

https://cryptome.org/2015-info/paris/paris-attacks.htm

https://cryptome.org/2015-info/paris-2/ ... acks-2.htm

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4Mrp6wuSwk

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A video posted by Le Monde on Saturday shows a glimpse at the horrifying scene of dozens fleeing gunfire outside a concert hall in central Paris.

The video [embedded], shot from an apartment balcony, shows a steam of people racing down a passageway in the building to a side street.

More:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/worl ... /75772032/

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http://memoryholeblog.com/2015/11/14/pa ... on-gladio/

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http://memoryholeblog.com/2015/11/14/ro ... r-attacks/

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BREAKING: US Air Strike Hits ISIS in Libya Chief, Presumed Dead // Kevin Baron

The head of the Islamic State in Libya is presumed dead after a U.S. airstrike targeted him early Saturday.

A senior U.S. official told Defense One that the man who goes by the nom de guerre Abu Nidal was believed to have been killed by the operation, which the official stressed was underway before the Paris attacks began on Friday and was not linked to that event.

The strike would be a significant blow to the Islamic State’s ambitions as the organization, its influence and it’s supply of foreign fighters has spread across North Africa. Libya has been a major concern for French military officials who have lobbied Washington to give that country greater attention due to its proximity to Europe, growing pool of foreign fighters and their potential to cross into Europe.

Read full article »

http://link.defenseone.com/view/55bbed3 ... 3/937029e4

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SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 14, 2015

Perfect sense

Two things France wanted to do:

1shut the borders to refugees; and

2join the war against the Syrian government.

“Paris attack may be false flag operation: Analyst”

“Another Paris False Flag Attack?”

“A warning about the Paris terror attacks”

You can see immediately why ISIS would want to put a bomb in a Russian plane. Russia is at war with ISIS. What possible motive could ISIS have to open up a new front now involving France? Aren’t they busy enough? On the other hand, if ISIS is just an intelligence tool of the Zio-American Empire, giving the French a reason to pretend to increase the fight against ISIS as a cover for an operation against the Syrian government, while simultaneously increasing Islamophobia and anti-refugee sentiment in Europe . . . well, everything suddenly makes perfect sense!

AT 11/14/2015 09:52:00 AM

Wrong policies

“Assad Blames France Wrong Policies For Terror Expansion” Earlier: “Assad: ‘West uses terrorism as new instrument to subjugate Middle East’” and “Assad Blames Western Support of ‘Terrorists’ for Migrant Crisis” Added: “France suffers from savage terror as Syrian people have been: Assad”

“Barakat: Heinous crime in Paris is the responsibility of imperialism, colonialism and reactionary forces”

People have wisely been discussing false flag, but we shouldn’t lose sight of the fact that ISIS is the creation and tool of Zio-American intelligence agencies, so everything it does or claims to do is by

also at the same link


AT 11/14/2015 07:30:00 AM

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“… anything that has to do with ISIS is a psy-op. ISIS is funded by the Americans. It is being used as an excuse for America to bomb sovereign countries. What is particularly troubling about this Paris “attack”, however, is that unlike the American hoaxes of late the goal of this hoax is to draw Europe into a wider war. It was also meant to stir up even more racial and religious hatred and distrust…..”

http://jpaulson.blogspot.com/2015/11/pa ... bogus.html

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[Wombaticus Rex]

11.5.11.3 is an ip address for the DoD Network Information Center, technically registered out of Columbus Ohio.
Of course almost all military ip addresses are registered out of that address and they just bought up a ton of them in the early days, so in reality that probably don't mean anything and the real location for that server could be anywhere.
As both sites list 11.3 and 11.5 separately and not joined, they probably refer to two separate things - maybe key portions of a document, dates, measurements or something else.
A bit of searching turns this up:
Daniel Franklin says: “The arrows are taken from the graphic illustrating the story of China’s economy “The numbers to watch” and are Chinese ‘targets’. As it happens, the numbers on the graphic were adjusted in the fact-checking process after the cover went to press.”
So that may be it - I have no reference on how reliable that is, but it's the most confident / least "I'm just guessing" thing I saw posted about it.
Alternately I liked the theory that when firing arrows you try to hit the third between the first two and the real "secret" is something to do with 11.4 =)
Good luck with it!

Via: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/com ... 113_means/

[fruhmenschen]

http://jpaulson.blogspot.com/2015/11/pa ... bogus.html



Patrick Pelloux, EMT and chronicler at Charlie Hebdo, explains on France Info radio that Paris EMTs were prepared because, "as luck would have it", they'd planned an exercise to train for multi-site attacks on the morning of Nov 13,2015

[guruilla]

I've been following this thread because it's current and because it's RI, & I want to feel part of the community. But I'm at a loss to comment, frankly. The more I read, the more I realize that I don't have a clue what's going on in the world and, at the risk of being contentious, that probably no one else here does. It's all fancy guesswork, or so it seems to me, tho admittedly I am really at a disadvantage when it comes to extrapolating geopolitical agendas from a single terror-attack in Paris, having never done the necessary reading and without sufficient interest to do it, and having the perhaps jaded view that everything that happens on the world stage is a dark form of theater, one way or another.

Re: Wombat's last-but-one post, that making an argument that "if you think that Arabs can't coordinate successful terror attacks in Europe without help [or whatever] is racist" this seems to me to be really a loose argument at the best of times. Because a) aren't there other reasons why someone might believe this that may not have anything to do with racism? and b) it presupposes that an argument cannot be correct if it is racist, which seems to be an ideological supposition and not a logical one. Racism is not an ontological phenomenon, and much as we might wish it otherwise, AFAWK a person can be racist and still right (as I pointed out at the Zionism thread, one person's facts are another's racism, sexism, you name it).

The larger point Wombat makes I think I get, that it's too easy to think of every form of Moslem hostility as being the fabrication of "the West", and that this is patently absurd, even if it does seem, or at least feel, to be kind of "parapolitically correct" these days.

Those are just my ten cents, or maybe it's a plug nickel, take it or leave it. Overall, I feel as though an event like yesterday's in Paris gets us riled up and emotional, excited even, and then naturally we want to get together and be communal about it. And since this is RI, the way to do that is to start deconstructing and analyzing and trying to figure out what's wrong with this picture. But we already know (at a knowing if not a knowledge level) what's wrong with this picture, and we know that this is just business in Babylon as usual. So then it all starts to feel a bit futile, to me personally, even a way to buffer the real distress of being reminded of our fragility and mortality by such an event, rolling up our sleeves and getting out our mind-scalpels. We feel bad for strangers across the ocean, but are we tending to our own wounded?

I certainly felt unusually depressed today; and while there was no obvious correlation with the events in Paris (I didn't watch the news footage; I don't feel bad for strangers just because the mass-media has determined that their suffering is especially important), it may be related, who knows? But what I do know for myself, and remembered again today, is that all my misery and despair comes back to the pain I carry around, in my cells, that I keep pushed down, beneath the surface of awareness, that has built up over a lifetime, over generations. It all comes back to that pain. If we want a unified field theory of terrorist action, psy-ops, geopolitics, whatever, I am not sure we really need to look any further than our own stricken souls and strangled cries, whether of love or rage, or both.

I hope that's not an unwelcome interruption or an unproductive downer. My way of participating, of finding the ground again, & of sharing some love with strangers, is all it really is.

[Lord Balto]

I think this one might be close enough to call. The arrows unscramble into the date 11.13.15. The portrait-painting near the arrows in front of Alice is DaVinci's 'La Belle Ferronnière' -- housed in the Louve in Paris. Behind Alice in Wonderland is what could be an abandoned soccer ball (football) -- televised France-Germany soccer match that was interrupted by the attacks.

It's a cricket ball. The giveaway is the central seam. They are usually red, but sometimes white or yellow. The marking is commonly a brand name of some sort.

Where is this from?

[NaturalMystik]

I've seen some pretty profound words on this thread, and certainly feel what a lot of others are feeling. Everything has changed, and I think this IS WWIII...

This post kind of also belongs in the "true rigor" thread. I think it's great to see how some of the minds come together here to try and create a case. It seems like for every big 'story' we at RI should be putting together the old team. There's gotta be a historian, a geo politicist, and accountant, a magician, etc... With a good team we can get to the bottom of things.

Anyhow, my point is, I'd love to hear from a number cruncher on this. Do we have one in house? All week as I eyed 11-13-15, it seemed uncomfortable to me. And not because it was friday the 13th. I'm curious about any numerological / sacred mathematical significance. Alternating/incrementing odd numbers is about all that stands out to me... Although, 11 = 2, 13 = 4, 15 = 6... Incrementing even numbers... That's weird... It's like some kind of double portal date, if there is such a thing...

From a Woo point of view, there is a strange mojo going on right now, and not because of the attack, but preceding it. <green>I think the goat worshipers would have some thoughts on the date. </end green>