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Postby backtoiam » Thu Nov 19, 2015 1:14 pm

Twitter Goes Into Meltdown After Discovering Account That ‘Predicted’ Paris Attacks
Posted on November 17, 2015 by Jim

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A Twitter account that seemingly ‘predicted’ the Paris terror attacks has made some people believe the whole thing was a conspiracy.

The @PZBooks account sent out a tweet on November 11 – two days before terrorists launched their deadly rampage across the French capital – that referenced the attacks and detailed how many had been killed.

It read: “BREAKING: Death toll from Paris terror attack rises to at least 120 with 270 others injured.”

Some people were understandably confused about the tweet:

It is understandably confusing, with some people demanding answers from both Twitter and world governments.’

However, there is actually a simple explanation – the @PZBooks account is a spambot that creates randomly generated headlines using phrases and words tweeted out from the @PZF account.

In this case it merged a headline from January about the Charlie Hebdo attacks in Paris with figures from a Nigerian Mosque attack in November last year:

The result is undeniably coincidental – but it seems to be nothing more than that.

Twitter has now removed the @PZBooks account.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/twitter-goes- ... 14322.html
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Postby MacCruiskeen » Thu Nov 19, 2015 1:47 pm

^^jesus christ almighty
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Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Thu Nov 19, 2015 2:09 pm

IanEye » Thu Nov 19, 2015 11:57 am wrote:False Ego Data Helmet


that is a keeper.


A great name for a band in this age.

Speaking of bands, thanks for the Stiff Little Fingers link. I saw them in LA in the late 80s and loved them. Glad to hear they're still rockin'.
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Re: Terrorists take Eagles of Death Metal show in Paris host

Postby backtoiam » Thu Nov 19, 2015 2:42 pm

It’s Already Happening: Authorities Are Using Paris Attacks To Rush New Mass Surveillance Laws

By VC on November 18, 2015

The CIA and government officials around the world are using the Paris attacks to push brand new surveillance laws. And it was all planned in advance.

While democratic systems usually take months (if not years) to pass new laws and legislation, it only took a few days after the Paris attacks to slap honest citizens with more surveillance laws. Several organizations are indeed capitalizing on the fear and panic caused by the attacks to bring forth a brand new agenda that takes a bold new step towards total government surveillance. What’s worse: Leaked information proves that authorities were waiting on a terror attack to go forward with their plan.

In a leaked e-mail written by Robert S. Litt, the intelligence community’s top lawyer during the month August, the plan is clearly outlined: There is a lack of support for the banning of encrypted communications but a terror attack could quickly turn the tide.

“Although the legislative environment is very hostile today, it could turn in the event of a terrorist attack or criminal event where strong encryption can be shown to have hindered law enforcement.

There is value keeping our options open for such a situation.”
– Washington Post, Obama faces growing momentum to support widespread encryption


Only a few months after this e-mail, a terror attack occurs in Paris. Only a few hours after the attacks, news strangely blamed “encrypted communications”. Only days after the attacks, officials are calling for…the banning of encrypted communications.

The New York police commissioner, Bill Bratton, called it a “game changer” and, insinuated new legislation that would outlaw encryption was necessary by adding: “[Encryption] is something that is going to need to be debated very quickly because we cannot continue operating where we are blind.
– The Guardian, Intelligence agencies pounce on Paris attacks to pursue spy agenda


CIA Director John Brennan is also using the terror attacks to plead for unrestricted government surveillance of all communications, blaming “privacy groups” for hindering their job.

Then on Monday, in an epic episode of blame shifting, the CIA director, John Brennan, reportedly said privacy advocates have undermined the ability of spies to monitor terrorists. He explained:

“Because of a number of unauthorized disclosures and a lot of hand-wringing over the government’s role in the effort to try to uncover these terrorists, there have been some policy and legal and other actions that are taken that make our ability collectively, internationally to find these terrorists much more challenging”, adding that there is a “misrepresentation of what the intelligence security services are doing”.

Read Brennan’s comments carefully because they are very revealing. When he says “legal actions”, he’s referring to the fact that multiple federal courts have ruled that the government’s secret mass surveillance on millions of Americans is illegal. So it sounds like the CIA director is saying it’s a shame that intelligence agencies can’t operate completely above the law any more, and is scapegoating any failings on his agency’s part on accountability that is the hallmark of any democracy. (Though he still can apparently operate above the law.)

More importantly, Brennan’s comments are incredibly dishonest. The post-Snowden USA Freedom Act passed by Congress reformed exactly one of the countless mass spying programs the US runs. It was the one that sucked up the phone calls of Americans only, and here’s the thing: it has been active this whole time and isn’t scheduled to shut down until the end of the month.
– Ibid.


Government officials in the UK are also capitalizing on fear to rush sweeping new laws.

On the other side of the Atlantic, politicians in the United Kingdom, which already has the most expansive surveillance laws in the western world, are using the tragedy to attempt to rush through their even more invasive, new mass-spying bill that aims at allowing police to see the websites every citizen visits and to force companies like Apple to backdoor their encrypted tools.
– Ibid.

Not Effective

None of these laws have proven effective in preventing terror attacks. In fact, the Paris attacks took place six months after the enactment of a massive (and controversial) surveillance law in France.

Passed by the French Parliament in May in response to the attacks on the Paris-based magazine Charlie Hebdo, the law allows the government to monitor phone calls and emails of people suspected of connections to terrorism without the authorization of a judge.

But it goes further than that. The law requires Internet service providers to install “black boxes” that are designed to vacuum up and analyze metadata on the Web-browsing and general Internet use habits of millions of people using the Web and to make that data available to intelligence agencies.

In exceptional cases, the law allows the government to deploy what are called “ISMI catchers” to track all mobile phone communications in a given area. These catchers are basically designed to impersonate cell towers, but they intercept and record communications data from phones within its range, and can also track the movements of people carrying the phones.

Finally, the law allows government agents to break into the homes of suspected terrorists for the purpose of planting microphone bugs and surveillance cameras and installing keyloggers on their computers, devices that capture data on every keystroke and mouse click.
– Recode, France Has a Powerful and Controversial New Surveillance Law

In short, after each traumatic event in the Western world (manufactured or not), attention is turned towards a very specific and targeted item that “needs to be addressed as soon as possible”. This item is, in fact, part of controversial law that is sitting on shelves until in can be passed insidiously, while the masses are struck with horror. It happened with the Patriot Act and, almost 15 years later, it is happening again. Their formula is “Order Out of Chaos” and it keeps working.
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Re: Terrorists take Eagles of Death Metal show in Paris host

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Thu Nov 19, 2015 3:10 pm

MacCruiskeen » Wed Nov 18, 2015 5:06 pm wrote:
Club des Cordeliers / ‏Twitter
https://twitter.com/cordeliers/status/666995172497096704

Evidently Gearoid O Colman's trenchant, widely circulated RT analysis of Paris attacks gave US propagandists a fright. Counterattack involves no attempt to refute, but simply pairs his report with InfoWars dreck in attempt to discredit indirectly:

http://www.salon.com/2015/11/16/here_co ... f_the_u_s/


Exactly. That's how it works. ("Sébastien", by contrast, is sacrosanct.)

These media pushbacks are starting ever-earlier after domestic ("Homeland") attacks; the narrative must be controlled. Western governments and their stenographers are now near-openly at war with their own populations, in more ways than one. The War on Terror is also a War on Thought. "No attempt to refute", because no ability to do so. Pollution by association is is the only method available to them.


That salon link makes me want to vomit. Especially considering their co-founder, David Talbot, just wrote The Devil's Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of America's Secret Government. It seems to be par for the course that if a leftish website that dares entertain any sort of parapolitical thoughts is successful (remember when Raw Story used to be good?) it is bought out by Radical Establishment Media types with the objective of equating conspiracy with insanity.
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Re: Terrorists take Eagles of Death Metal show in Paris host

Postby MacCruiskeen » Thu Nov 19, 2015 3:56 pm

Here's the "Sébastien" epic in the original French, from where it originally appeared, on the website of the southern-French rag La Provence:

"J'étais otage, j'ai crié aux flics de ne pas rentrer"
("I was a hostage, I called out to the cops that they shouldn't re-enter")

http://www.laprovence.com/article/actua ... ntrer.html


Note:

1.This anonymous account appeared in print less than two-and-a-half days after the end of the Bataclan massacre:

Lundi 16/11/2015 à 09H32


So "Sébastien" was not just an incredible hero, and incredibly lucky, he was also a man in quite a hurry to tell his literally incredible tale to the world.

2. It is described in the English media as "an interview". It is no such thing. It is a continous prose account. No one asks him any questions at all.

3. It appears without any introduction or comment whatsoever, except for a single line informing us that S. is "a native of Arles".

4. Exactly how did La Provence acquire this account (and acquire it so quickly)? They don't say. All we know is that it appeared on their website on Monday morning and then spread round the world instantly in English translation.



Less than nine hours later, this appeared on the same website:

Lundi 16/11/2015 à 17H51

La femme enceinte et son sauveur se sont retrouvés

http://www.laprovence.com/actu/faits-di ... ouves.html


"The pregnant woman and her saviour have found each other again" - Happy ending. Of course she too is completely anonymous.

http://twitter.com/__F_A_T__/status/666 ... 36/photo/1

You may well ask: Since they're both anonymous, how did they manage to get back together (and so quickly, too)? Well, her request for a reunion with "Sébastien" was posted for "the pregnant woman" on Twitter -- by someone else again, who claims to be "a former author of graphic novels" and "a copywriter" but himself appears to be untraceable* (his website is down). He /they are also refusing all requests for interviews -- including requests from The Sun, which would certainly pay big bucks for the privilege.

Why are all these people hiding -- and refusing to answer all questions -- after making such huge and instantly-successful grabs for (anonymous) global publicity through the mass media and Twitter ("please spread this message widely")?

What do they have to hide?


- Stefano? What do you think of all this? Have you listened to the interview with "Sébastien" on RTL Radio? (And has he by any chance turned up in public again? In the unlikely event that he does, please let us know.)

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*Unless I'm missing something obvious. Maybe someone else here can trace this "@__F_A_T__" guy? If so, please do so.
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Postby MacCruiskeen » Thu Nov 19, 2015 4:30 pm

Btw, the police officers who entered the Bataclan have been forbidden to speak to the media.
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Postby backtoiam » Thu Nov 19, 2015 5:32 pm

My cynical alarm just went off. Why is Russia Today reporting this story, with no commentary at all, about some of the more seemingly hoaxy details of this Paris attack? By using this story, without at least some counter propaganda, true or untrue, they are carrying nato's water. my cynical mind never sleeps...

https://www.rt.com/news/322655-paris-at ... estaurant/
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Re: Terrorists take Eagles of Death Metal show in Paris host

Postby MacCruiskeen » Thu Nov 19, 2015 5:46 pm



Moddey, thanks very much. So now he's in the fucking NYT. Still anonymous, still camera-shy, but now a global superstar. (Is "Sébastien" in fact Thomas Pynchon?)

His tale, which he so calmly relates in the voice-over to that three-minute edited film, is complete bullshit.

1. Where did the NYT aquire that recording? Of course they don't say. Is it an extract from the RTL Radio interview? They attribute it/credit it to no one, but it is most certainly edited. The only person credited is this Daniel Psenny from Le Monde, who happend to live in a flat with a close view of "Sébastien" rescuing "the pregnant woman" from where he filmed the scene and made a VERY clear audio-recording of her dramatic pleas for help (this despite all the distraught people running and shouting on the street below them).

2. Psenny's film is also very carefully edited. But isn't it obvious that the guy in dark clothes hanging off the window to her right is NOT the same person as the long-haired individual in pale-check baggy trousers -- it does look very like a woman -- who reached down to her after the fade/cut? Then the film is cut again before we see her actually being pulled in. (Why?)

3. Look at the video sequence, allegedly from the Bataclan interior during the attack, from 00:10 to 00:33. Who filmed it? Of course the NYT doesn't say. It is an obvious fabrication. Twenty seconds of slow panning upwards, showing flashing searchlights, then a pan downwards to an ownerless shoe. Cut. Nothing else can be seen at all, though the sound of shots can be heard in the background. And whoever filmed it had a steady hand and was weirdly unworried about attracting the killers' attention with his camera light.

I could go on, but this yarn we're being sold is just fucking ridiculous.

- Nordic? Can you give a film-professional's considered opinion on this production?

PS: I have to say this again, and stress it with block capitals: I am NOT saying that the dozens of dead and injured in the Bataclan (and elsewhere in Paris) were non-existent, or "crisis actors". I AM saying that the story we are being sold about the attacks is a crock of shit, and that the "Sébastien" yarn is a deliberate piece of manipulation and misinformation, fed to the world through the mass media by -- let's say it finally - spooks.

Because whatever else "Islamic terrorists" may or may not capable of, they are NOT capable of creating THIS propaganda and then spoonfeeding it to the Western world.

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Postby Moddey Screbbagh » Thu Nov 19, 2015 5:55 pm

Yes - It totally looks like a different person, and a woman, who helps "the pregnant woman." Very strange editing. And I found the talk of a bag of money odd too.

I thought it was amazing that this odd voice over made it into NYT
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Postby conniption » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:18 pm

Glenn Greenwald: "Shameless" U.S. Officials Exploit Paris Attacks to Defend Spying & Attack Snowden
http://www.democracynow.org/2015/11/19/ ... oits_paris


Glenn Greenwald on "Submissive" Media's Drumbeat for War and "Despicable" Anti-Muslim Scapegoating
http://www.democracynow.org/2015/11/19/ ... s_drumbeat
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Postby IanEye » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:19 pm


The above video does not appear to have any edits in it.

There are three people hanging from the side of the building.
Two side by side, and another hanging lower than the two, to their left.
of the two side by side, the one on the left appears to have a checked shirt tied around their waist (it could be a skirt or kilt)
@ 2:04 the camera zooms in closer and pans down to the bodies on the street
@2:13 the camera moves back up to see the person with their shirt around their waist is climbing back through the window to help the lower hanging person up, but a viewer cannot see this fully because the camera then pulls away again.

also, if you click on the video and look at in youtube directly, the image is much larger than in this post.

I do find it strange that 'Le Monde' journalist Daniel Psenny doesn't have the training to know how to hold a camera phone properly to give a more proper 16x9 view.
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Re: Terrorists take Eagles of Death Metal show in Paris host

Postby MacCruiskeen » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:23 pm

Something strange just happened. While I was trying to edit my last post, a message flashed up saying that someone else had entered my account and edited my post. I couldn't see any change in that post, though, and still don't. Then, about five minutes later, my computer went haywire, the connection slowed right down, and my cursor eventually froze. I am typing this on another computer.

I have no delusions of grandeur -- I'm just a poster on a fairly obscure message board -- and maybe it's all a coincidence. It was strange, though, to find this happening while I was dissecting the NYT's "Sébastien" production and saying why I think it is obvious spook fakery & propaganda.

fwiw
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Re: Terrorists take Eagles of Death Metal show in Paris host

Postby solace » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:32 pm

MacCruiskeen » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:23 pm wrote:Something strange just happened. While I was trying to edit my last post, a message flashed up saying that someone else had entered my account and edited my post. I couldn't see any change in that post, though, and still don't. Then, about five minutes later, my computer went haywire, the connection slowed right down, and my cursor eventually froze. I am typing this on another computer.

I have no delusions of grandeur -- I'm just a poster on a fairly obscure message board -- and maybe it's all a coincidence. It was strange, though, to find this happening while I was dissecting the NYT's "Sébastien" production and saying why I think it is obvious spook fakery & propaganda.

fwiw


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