Terrorists take Eagles of Death Metal show in Paris hostage

[AlicetheKurious]

I believe the term you are looking for is "illusion." "Hologram" is a bit too technical a term for what you are describing.

I'm technically retarded, so maybe you're right, in a strictly technical sense. I tend to be quite precise in my wording however, and was thinking in metaphoric terms:

Anything holographic refers in some way to a hologram, which is a three-dimensional, projected image of something or someone. Link

"ISIS"/Daesh is a three-dimensional, projected image of the most ignorant, hateful, ugly, genocidal stereotypes that Zionists have concocted and broadcast over the past century or so in order to justify their atrocities against Arabs and Muslims. It has no independent existence, nor does it reflect actual reality; but using a combination of media narrative and Hollywood-style productions, it is super-imposed on the reality to obscure it and to drown out the voices of the real victims of aggression and ruthless war crimes.

What violent clique of Muslims has ever not been an illusion, though, right Alice? Islamic supremacism, Muslim imperialism, Mohammad-sanctioned fascism...unlike fried ice cream, unlike the various overlapping constellations of improbable causality RI takes seriously...these are never a reality, always slander. Taliban, Al Qaeda, Hamas, Muslim Brotherhood, ISIS, and hundreds more theocratic conquistador projects like them...all illusions, all of them, each of them.

What you're describing are the obfuscations surrounding the core in order to hide it. The dizzying diversity of names obscures the fact that ideologically, there is only the fascist Wahhabist cult, and organizationally there is only the Muslim Brotherhood. Everything else is smoke and mirrors and cut-outs. The reason these two real things must be obscured is that both can easily be traced back directly to British and US and Zionist imperialism, which has financed them, nurtured them, protected them and imposed them by force wherever it had the brute power to do so.

[tapitsbo]

Has anyone considered that these vests/belts could have been detonated remotely once the person arrived at the target site?

Someone could have been duped into thinking it was a Kevlar vest

[MacCruiskeen]

Has anyone considered that these vests/belts could have been detonated remotely once the person arrived at the target site?

Yes. Also that they weren't wearing bomb-belts at all but instead carrying sealed packages and waiting to meet someone who never turned up, or at least not before they had exploded. This would also have the virtue of explaining the low, almost non-existent, casualty count. Not one of them (I think; I'll check) actually entered a crowded place (though there many of those available in the immediate vicinity) but instead hung around some distance outside them.

Hypothesis: No one was killed by a suicide bomber in Paris, because there were none. The "suicide bombings" were a distraction designed mainly to be heard in the stadium by tens of thousands of trapped people, and on TV by the entire world. The three loud bangs also provided "atmo", thereby serving to raise the Tension in the city.

All of the deaths were caused by automatic gunfire & grenades used by a small highly-trained commando team travelling three short distances between cafés in a black car and concluding in the Bataclan, where "Sébastien" was a pre-planted accomplice who knew his way around the place. Probably not one of those commandos died, or if so they were shot by accident by the police who later entered the building and who have since been forbidden to talk to the media. -- ON EDIT: Or maybe, to ensure complete security, the commando team was itself double-crossed by the organisers and disposed of unknowingly by the police team who entered the building hours later and who were not part of the plot.

I would contend that this or something very like it accords better with the currently-known verifiable facts than the version we are being fed.

The bizarre ineffectiveness of the "suicide bombers" is very, very striking, especially when compared to the icy efficiency of the gunmen.

But more evidence will no doubt emerge to refute or confirm this hypothesis.

[FourthBase]

What violent clique of Muslims has ever not been an illusion, though, right Alice? Islamic supremacism, Muslim imperialism, Mohammad-sanctioned fascism...unlike fried ice cream, unlike the various overlapping constellations of improbable causality RI takes seriously...these are never a reality, always slander. Taliban, Al Qaeda, Hamas, Muslim Brotherhood, ISIS, and hundreds more theocratic conquistador projects like them...all illusions, all of them, each of them.

What you're describing are the obfuscations surrounding the core in order to hide it. The dizzying diversity of names obscures the fact that ideologically, there is only the fascist Wahhabist cult, and organizationally there is only the Muslim Brotherhood. Everything else is smoke and mirrors and cut-outs. The reason these two real things must be obscured is that both can easily be traced back directly to British and US and Zionist imperialism, which has financed them, nurtured them, protected them and imposed them by force wherever it had the brute power to do so.

So, no fascistic Shiite cults exist?
Isn't one in control of Iran?

Or are all Russian allies defined more generously?
(Hamas and Hezbollah not being terrorists, etc.)

But, so, anyway, anything evil ever associated with Islam in the last 100 years has been an Anglo-American-Israeli illusion? Those omnipotent bastards!

[semper occultus]

So, no fascistic Shiite cults exist?
Isn't one in control of Iran?

...we can pin that one on the French ....

[Elvis]

I thought the hologram was a good metaphor -- it's a metaphor.

[backtoiam]

Witnesses described her screaming 'help me, help me' and 'I'm not his girlfriend' seconds before detonating the device.

What kind of "suicide bomber" does that? None. None. She was clearly killed (dismembered) by police grenades.

That makes six alleged "suicide bombers" in Paris in the last week who killed no one but themselves. (Possibly one bystander by accident at the stadium.) They could easily have slaughtered dozens, had they wanted to. What were they actually carrying? Did they know? What were they hanging around for? A rendezvous that never took place?

'help me, help me' *

"No, we're going to murder you instead."

* "The Pregnant Woman" made exactly the same request of "Sébastien", with very different results, or so we're told.

Its a hell of a lot neater and sweeter to stage a hoax if you don't kill innocent bystanders. Innocent bystanders have pissed off family members that never stop asking hard questions.

Easier just to control the scene, secure it before hand, (drills) bring in the actors, film it, and get it over with. It also prevents other bystanders with cell phone video from interjecting conflicting data into the info stream such as happened in Boston.

Not that they won't spill real blood, because they will, but it is easier for them when they don't. Too many more nasty details to clean up...and, you might have to kill more people that won't shut up, again, which creates more nasty details to clean up, ad nauseum...

Like the alley they filmed the pregnant woman on the windowsill in. Easy to block access to that. My favorite part of that was the bullet ridden bodies being drug down the alley without leaving a long nasty blood trail of gore and seeping blood. And, the dummies feet wagging back and forth because the legs had no real weight. They poured a little blood on the alley but put it in the wrong spot, and they forgot to load the dummy with blood packs so they would ooze out while the dummy was drug down the road.

After reading this maybe they will remember to weight the dummies legs and add the blood packs next time

[semper occultus]

[MacCruiskeen]

My favorite part of that was the bullet ridden bodies being drug down the alley without leaving a long nasty blood trail of gore and seeping blood. And, the dummies feet wagging back and forth because the legs had no real weight.

Oh for god's sake pack that in. Of course there were real casualties, hundreds of dead and wounded, some slightly, some severely. I read an interview just today with a named and photographed doctor from a well-known named hospital who himself treated dozens of injured and/or traumatised people and whose colleagues treated many more. Or maybe all those doctors and every single concertgoer in the Bataclan last Friday was also a "crisis actor", also "one of Them", also "in on the plot"?

eff eff ess

- Back on-topic.

[backtoiam]

I forgot. We can't notice that

And we can't notice that entire families and generations of families are literally born into an acting cultural society of rich families that segregate themselves from the rest of society and act for a living, and none of them are also leading politicians, or their cousins, and extended family members, and affiliated highly paid friends, which would encompass a few million people, because its racist.

I'll try to remember that

[Lord Balto]

Witnesses described her screaming 'help me, help me' and 'I'm not his girlfriend' seconds before detonating the device.

What kind of "suicide bomber" does that? None. None. She was clearly killed (dismembered) by police grenades.

That makes six alleged "suicide bombers" in Paris in the last week who killed no one but themselves. (Possibly one bystander by accident at the stadium.) They could easily have slaughtered dozens, had they wanted to. What were they actually carrying? Did they know? What were they hanging around for? A rendezvous that never took place?

'help me, help me' *

"No, we're going to murder you instead."

* "The Pregnant Woman" made exactly the same request of "Sébastien", with very different results, or so we're told.

The Associated Press is now quoting the Paris prosecutor's office to the effect that the woman DID NOT blow herself up.

[MacCruiskeen]

How many explosions do they list here? At least seven, by my quick count.

Revise, revise, revise. Keep the story going, keep the dramatic details coming out, observe how it comes across to the public, revise again, a lump of spine and a head that's a juicy detail did you see that, induce growing confusion and weariness, revise again, she did it herself no her boyfriend did it no a stray bullet hit the suicide belt on her wall, keep revising the details, hardly anyone will notice by now, you've got the story established, polish it up, seal it for posterity and stick it on Wikipedia. Job done.

In any case, only the first impression has ever really counted: Islamist terrorists dunnit, and We are at war.

People unlikely to change their mind, even when facts contradict their views - study
RT, Published time: 19 Nov, 2015 11:44

https://www.rt.com/news/322698-people-c ... ons-study/

"Sébastien"... "The Pregnant Woman"... and now: "The Cowgirl". What next, "The Pirate"? This is an operetta cast. .

[backtoiam]

I think what you are missing is that the method of William Burroughs attempts to predict the future by using precisely such manner of creating "randomly generated headlines using phrases and words" from magazines and newspapers. Remember, ISIS is simply a contraction of "is is," the meaning of which Bill Clinton was highly concerned with. I posted the following to the alt.fan.william-burroughs newsgroup on January 7, 1999:

Actually I wasn't putting any stock in it one way or the other. I just threw it in the RI sandbox to see what would happen. I was not disappointed by what you provided. Thanx. I like that

[Lord Balto]

I thought the hologram was a good metaphor -- it's a metaphor.

I get that. The problem is that there are 9/11 theorists who think that the planes were holograms and that the towers were brought down by explosives, or some more sophisticated devices ranging all the way up to particle beams and burried nuclear weapons. In the 9/11 case, the holograms are thought to be real projections created using laser beams, which is how it's normally done (except of course on Star Trek where the holograms have mass and react directly with physical objects). So, in essence, the conspiracy theory-space has already been filled with real holograms, leaving no room for metaphorical holograms. I personally prefer the term "construct," whose definition includes the notion of mentally assembling and integrating sense-data.

[Lord Balto]

Has anyone considered that these vests/belts could have been detonated remotely once the person arrived at the target site?

Someone could have been duped into thinking it was a Kevlar vest

That still doesn't explain why they were not detonated somewhere that would have done some damage, unless the perpetrators have updated their methods so that it's not as obvious that they are getting rid of folks who know too much, as in the case of J D Tippit.