Active Shooter San Bernardino

[SonicG]

See here for image, WARNING: it includes a distant shot of Farook's corpse, and what looks like an AR-15: http://www.sott.net/image/s14/287250/fu ... ok_SUV.jpg

There does seem to be an AR-15 near Farook's body—not strapped to his body—like the one later seen leaned against the curb, and one of the two displayed on a blanket at the scene—which showed no blood despite at least dozens of police rounds hitting the SUV's passenger conpartment.

Assuming Farook had been set up as a patsy, I'm trying to figure out why he'd emerge from the SUV with a weapon that was not strapped to him.

Speculation: The reports of "a runner" leaving the scene on foot leaves open the possibility that a third person was driving, or in the SUV. If so, maybe Farook was compelled to exit by the third person, to draw fire while the third person escaped.

Thoughts?

The third person is the one that put the gun there. Maybe after making sure the other two were 100% dead.

The "runner" was from the first shooting. Police claim that he was wanted on a minor warrant, got spooked that the cops were coming and took off.

[SonicG]

So a zillion highly-disciplined (but dismally crosseyed) cops stopped shooting instantly -- "Cease fire!" -- while he got out of the car (unwounded, unbleeding, and armed with an AK-47) and crossed that wide expanse of road at his leisure... and then one of the cops somehow uncrossed his eyes and shot the Deathloving Superdad dead with a single bullet when he finally reached the sidewalk?

Or maybe we'll be told he died of a sudden very bad nosebleed.*

* Nothing about the reporting of this case can surprise me anymore.

I think he died of "fog of war" inhalation.

Good lord that photo is baffling.

[Elvis]

(By the way: Re: "WARNING(s)" - I think we are being too hyperaware of the possible feelings of the hypersensitive. The subject of the thread is two separate acts of extreme violence. Anyone following it will know that. And no image has yet been posted or even linked to by anyone that shows anything truly gruesome. I think the warnings are counterproductive, because they make people fear the worst when all that's waiting for them is a blurred aerial photo of wholly unidentifiable (but un-mangled) figures.)

I totally agree. How can you investigate something if you are not willing to look at the "evidence"?

I provided the one-click hyperlink to the photo, which should be sufficient. I was respecting the requests (not least my own) not to be unexpectedly faced with photographs of mutilated dead people. Agreed, this one was pretty "mild" i.e. distant, but I'd be a hypocrite to embed it right after I objected to others doing essentially the same thing.

...onward & upward

[tapitsbo]

yeah, it's in the spirit of this thread to put the gore behind a click-wall

I predict a dramatic escalation of gore in the media in order to push emotional buttons (as we've seen with the beheading videos, paris attacks, etc.)

[Elvis]

The "runner" was from the first shooting. Police claim that he was wanted on a minor warrant, got spooked that the cops were coming and took off.

Ah, thanks, SonicG. However, at the "terminus" of the chase, the policeman on the radio says one man is down (presumably Farook) and that they think there are two more people in the car, then changes that to having one runner on foot; I suppose that "runner" info is likely from the earlier incident with the guy with the warrant, but my impression, watching the video I posted of the "chase" terminus, was that a different runner and fled the SUV at that scene.

it's in the spirit of this thread to put the gore behind a click-wall

Good point.

My friend Prof. Peabody purposely and successfully avoided seeing any video of the WTC towers' collapse, until a few years later when I inadvertantly played a few seconds of it on my computer. He was not happy at all.

[stickdog99]

I have found a layout of the building and room showing where they parked, entered and shot from. It seems that witnesses could clearly see them, which seems to be the case as they walked into the party and started shooting in front of everyone, no?


And again, where did the cop see them putting on bulletproof vests? Now the story is the SUV came cruising by the house right as the cops were approaching? So yes, they either saw that while the SUV was stopped in front of their house. In which case you would think that they would swarm then then, or they saw them put them on while moving...

Agreed about the recoil. Yes she obviously didn't weigh 90 pounds, maybe a chubby 130 even, but still five foot and I doubt she worked out so those rifles would be tough to handle I would imagine even though she supposedly went to shooting ranges numerous times. Which the cops say are true but no reporters have found any witnesses at other ranges except for the one that has identified Farook.

There is no evidence whatsoever that she ever fired a gun in her life or that she ever wanted anything to do with jihad in her entire life other than the word of unnamed sources and the FBI.

[backtoiam]

The question for me is not if one of the largest and most aggressive disinformation campaigns in human history is happening.

The question for me is why is it happening, and what is being prepared for the the participants of such a campaign.
This has been prepared with dogged tenacity and delivered with lightening speed.

Why?

This campaign has become so aggressive as to become ludicrous in its delivery and authenticity. We better ask ourselves why?

The voices that were shaming and blaming others for even daring to insinuate that staged events happen, and that the people in the staged events were acting have faded away due to blatant obviousness of this.

The canary in the coal mine died.

I would like to apologize to Elvis for being short with Elvis. I guess my sense of urgency got the best of me. I hope you will forgive me Elvis for being short with you. This whole situation has me a little bit upset. I respect you Elvis I am just very upset with this whole situation.

I guess its the tears running down my cheeks...it gets the best of me sometimes....

[SonicG]

Agreed about the recoil. Yes she obviously didn't weigh 90 pounds, maybe a chubby 130 even, but still five foot and I doubt she worked out so those rifles would be tough to handle I would imagine even though she supposedly went to shooting ranges numerous times. Which the cops say are true but no reporters have found any witnesses at other ranges except for the one that has identified Farook.

There is no evidence whatsoever that she ever fired a gun in her life or that she ever wanted anything to do with jihad in her entire life other than the word of unnamed sources and the FBI.

Agreed. It seems that besides the post praising ISIS right about the time of the shooting from a "false name" account, they have now found PMs to her friends in Pakistan talking her Jihad desires. Was that under the fake account? Who knows, but you are right, pretty much all the evidence against the couple is coming from the feds, and it is all very vague and will never become a part of the public record as there was no trial...

[stickdog99]

The legend has already morphed in a couple of subtle ways.

First, there were chilling accounts, with supposed witnesses, of Farook's visiting firing ranges by himself. Then the FBI investigation lead announced that both husband and wife went to unnamed firing ranges at unspecified times.

First, there were chilling accounts, from a supposed unnamed Facebook employee and supposed law enforcement sources, of Farook's wife's making a Facebook "pledge of allegiance" to ISIS using an alias "around the time of the attack". Then the the story became that this supposed "pledge" was made on behalf of both husband and wife.

[divideandconquer]

The question for me is not if one of the largest and most aggressive disinformation campaigns in human history is happening.

The question for me is why is it happening, and what is being prepared for the the participants of such a campaign.
This has been prepared with dogged tenacity and delivered with lightening speed.

Why?

This campaign has become so aggressive as to become ludicrous in its delivery and authenticity. We better ask ourselves why?

The voices that were shaming and blaming others for even daring to insinuate that staged events happen, and that the people in the staged events were acting have faded away due to blatant obviousness of this.

The canary in the coal mine died.

I would like to apologize to Elvis for being short with Elvis. I guess my sense of urgency got the best of me. I hope you will forgive me Elvis for being short with you. This whole situation has me a little bit upset. I respect you Elvis I am just very upset with this whole situation.

I guess its the tears running down my cheeks...it gets the best of me sometimes....

I feel very much the same way. The link you posted contains very disturbing information. "The circle of fear is nearly complete; schools, colleges, sports stadiums, malls, hospitals and large companies are staging mass-shooter drills across the country." I'm afraid to ask, what's left? Neighborhoods? I mean, suburban neighborhoods, since shootings are already barely noticed regular events in inner-city poor neighborhoods. Although, as far as I know, they don't lock neighborhoods down or practice drills. Or maybe they do...maybe they're practicing on them. Who knows?

[MacCruiskeen]

We already have proof that the couple are innocent:

HE WAS TALL AND SHE WAS ABSOLUTELY TINY -- NOT JUST "PETITE", BUT DIMINUTIVE, ALMOST DWARFLIKE.

No eyewitness anywhere has ever mentioned this unmissable "detail", and there were 50-60 surviving eyewitnesses in that conference room alone. The shooters were also masked and clad in black, i.e. otherwise identical, thus making any such grossly-conspicuous difference in height all the more instantaneously striking.

This is not a "mindfuck" or a "rabbit hole" or in any way confusing or hard to understand. It is a grotesquely obvious -- and deliberate -- miscarriage of justice.

Given that one existing photo (and the repeated report that she weighed 90 lbs), she looks short enough that, from any distance, she could easily have been mistaken as a child.

Emphasis added.

[Cordelia]

Novelist Christopher Priest on magic trick audiences (the American public):

"Now you're looking for the secret... but you won't find it, because of course you're not really looking. You don't really want to know. You want to be fooled."

Speaking of canaries........

[backtoiam]

divideandconquer wrote:
I feel very much the same way. The link you posted contains very disturbing information.

Yes and so does this one. http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/12/13/t ... he-scenes/

The sort of horse power that has been intentionally coordinated is disturbing to say the least. It seems that these "drills" are not only designed to instill fear but also to practice for future events of some sort. What these future events are is the question in my mind. These assault teams have been carefully created for some purpose.

Evidently the ptb thought it necessary to assemble and train this sort of rapid ready fire power. I wonder why they think they need this. What in the world is getting ready to happen in the future that the ability to pull this together in a hurry will be necessary?

Drill Gone Live

There was a massive roll out of law enforcement equipment during the shooting in San Bernardino, prompting critics to suggest the entire event may have been a multi-agency ‘fusion’ drill. 21WIRE reported on the day:

“This was one of the most impressive mobilizations of multiple local, state, county and federal law enforcement agencies. Within 90 minutes of the alleged ‘active shooter’ situation at Inland Regional, at least 12 different agencies were mobilized, including over 500 armed agents, at least 300 vehicles, over 1000 personnel, 5 SWAT teams, 3 helicopters, 3 mobile command centers, 10 armored MRAP vehicles, bomb squads with “tactical robots” being dispatched.”

[MacCruiskeen]

Novelist Christopher Priest on magic trick audiences (the American public):

"Now you're looking for the secret... but you won't find it, because of course you're not really looking. You don't really want to know. You want to be fooled."

Cordelia, when the World Wide Web finally goes down*, either because of TTIP or thanks to the global nuclear war, I imagine the last post at Rigorous Intuition will be discussing whether Season Twelve of True Detective was better or worse than Season Eleven. "The cinematography's as mindblowing as ever, sure, but isn't MacConaughey getting just a little too self-indul-". (No et cetera. Just a suddenly blank screen and an inaudible chorus of "WTF?")

*Online shopping will of course still be possible, and indeed compulsory.

[RocketMan]

http://www.salon.com/2015/12/16/fbi_on_ ... socialflow

The alleged San Bernardino shooters in fact did not post messages in support of jihad on social media, the FBI revealed Wednesday morning.

FBI Director James Comey told the media in a news conference that “We have found no evidence of a posting on social media by either of them,” according to NBC journalist Bradd Jaffy.