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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby tapitsbo » Thu Dec 31, 2015 5:05 pm

brainpanhandler: Good thing I didn't write like that, then.

the metamorphosis of Vice is interesting. At least their "we predicted 9/11" gag/hoax was sorta witty.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby brainpanhandler » Thu Dec 31, 2015 6:52 pm

jakell » Thu Dec 31, 2015 4:05 pm wrote:There is a thornier issue from the same stable that arose a little while back.. gender issues , or rather the promoting of the zanier end of these with no comeback tolerated.


Show me when this happened and hopefully I won't have to ask you to define tolerated.

Why can't you just say what you mean, clearly, so that there is less room for misunderstanding?
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby tapitsbo » Thu Dec 31, 2015 6:54 pm

I can't be the only one here who has a physical reaction of both pain and laughter in response to jakell's veiled mode of expression.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby jakell » Thu Dec 31, 2015 8:13 pm

tapitsbo » Thu Dec 31, 2015 10:54 pm wrote:I can't be the only one here who has a physical reaction of both pain and laughter in response to jakell's veiled mode of expression.


Just to post at all sometimes, especially on certain issues means walking on eggshells. I know there are a few folks keen on displaying their high-horsemanship and I'm anxious to avoid all that.
It is those eggshell issues that interest me though.

Happy new year BTW.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby brainpanhandler » Thu Dec 31, 2015 8:20 pm

As I thought.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby American Dream » Sat Jan 02, 2016 10:05 am

Not exactly an appealing faction of right-handed monkeywrenches:


How 2015 Fueled The Rise Of The Freewheeling, White Nationalist Alt Right Movement

In a year dominated by Trump, the alt right — a loosely connected movement related to obscure political theories and a great feel for how the internet actually works — has hit it big.

posted on Dec. 27, 2015
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WASHINGTON — Old-guard racists like David Duke aren’t the only white nationalists to have been encouraged by Donald Trump’s candidacy this year: His bid has also provided a tremendous boost to a newer movement calling itself the “alt right.”

Up until now, the alt right labored mostly in obscurity, its internal fights and debates hidden from anyone who wasn’t directly looking for them. But all that’s starting to change, and it’s only getting stronger.

“This is really a phenomenon that’s been happening over the last year,” said Richard Spencer, president of the white nationalist National Policy Institute. “2015 has been huge.”

The movement probably doesn’t look like anything you’ve seen before. The alt right is loosely connected, and mostly online. The white nationalists of the alt right share more in common with European far-right movements than American ones. This is a movement that draws upon relatively obscure political theories like neoreaction or the “Dark Enlightenment,” which reject the premises on which modernity is built, like democracy and egalitarianism. But it’s not all so high-minded as that. Take a glance at the #altright hashtag on Twitter or at The Right Stuff, an online hub of the movement, and you’ll find a penchant for aggressive rhetoric and outright racial and anti-Semitic slurs, often delivered in the arch, ironic tones common to modern internet discourse.

Trump is a hero on the alt right and the subject of many adoring memes and tweets.

In short, it’s white supremacy perfectly tailored for our times: 4chan-esque racist rhetoric combined with a tinge of Silicon Valley–flavored philosophizing, all riding on the coattails of the Trump boom.

Spencer himself can claim credit for coining the term “alt right”; in 2010, he founded AlternativeRight.com, which is now RadixJournal. But he says the term has gotten a second life in the past year due to a confluence of external factors. “I think it has a lot to do with Trump,” he said. “I think the refugee crisis is also an inspiration. I just think things have gotten so real.”

Jared Taylor, the American Renaissance founder who along with Spencer is considered one of the chiefs of the intellectual wing of white nationalism, also acknowledged Trump’s influence, but said, “It doesn’t have to do only with Trump,” citing Black Lives Matter and “the current rowdiness on college campuses” as other inspirations.

“I think it goes by a lot of different names,” Taylor said. “I consider it a dissident right as well.”

Spencer believes the alt right is “deeply connected” with his work. “I would say that what I’m doing is we’re really trying to build a philosophy, an ideology around identity, European identity,” he said, “and I would say that the alt right is a kind of the take-no-prisoners Twitter troopers of that.”

The alt right’s targets don’t include just liberals, blacks, Jews, women, Latinos, and Muslims, who are all classified a priori as objects of suspicion. (Though this has not gone unnoticed: “It’s definitely something we’re aware of and tracking,” said Marilyn Mayo, director of the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism. “There are more white supremacists who are defining themselves as part of the alt right.”)

The alt right’s real objective, if one can be identified, is to challenge and dismantle mainstream conservatism.

It’s in part responsible for the spread of the “cuckservative” slur that gained currency over the summer and likely originated in forums on sites like My Posting Career and The Right Stuff, and has come to define a far-right contempt for conservatives they view as weak or sellouts — often those who oppose Trump.

So far, they haven’t garnered much attention from mainstream conservative figures, though they’ve begun to intersect a bit with national political commentary.

“You are on fire tonight, Alt Right!” conservative commentator Ann Coulter tweeted in August at an account called @_AltRight_ whose current avatar is a photo of Front National scion Marion Maréchal-Le Pen. Coulter’s rant about Jews over the summer was met with approval by Spencer. Her public persona has become more and more tied to a kind of white identity politics; Coulter’s book Adios America! may have had some influence on Donald Trump’s hard right turn on immigration, and her Twitter feed has lately seemed of a piece with alt right ideas about America being a white nation (“All trying to imitate Trump on immigration, but it’s not just security!!! Its CULTURE!!!! See Miami, Houston, Nashville etc etc”) and secretive Jewish influence (“I love how the media assumes all Americans know Yiddish.”)

Asked about the alt right and Trump, Coulter told BuzzFeed News in an email: “I have no idea what you’re talking about, but Trump’s support is quite a bit larger than any one small slice of the electorate, much less a small slice of the right-wing electorate. how about covering the surprisingly large support for trump in the black community? THAT’S a story.” Coulter told BuzzFeed News later that she wasn’t familiar with the movement and is “not a member of any group that calls itself the ‘alt right,’ and don’t know anyone who calls himself ‘alt-right.’”

(Upon receiving explanation of what the alt right is, including a link to a description in a Daily Beast piece, Coulter wrote the following: “Oh a ‘white power’ movement. okay, I see where this is going. if there are people out there who support trump because they are for ‘white power’ (daily beast) that says nothing about me or donald trump, any more than it says something about bernie sanders that some of his supporters were undoubtedly fans of stalin’s show trails, the soviet invasion of hungary and the assassination of raoul wallenberg. Hillary endorsed #blacklivesmatter, but I will allow that the majority of hillary’s supporters probably don’t support the murder of police. lots of her supporters absolutely do – and cop-killers have murdered a lot more ppl this year than any ‘white power’ types have. I retweeted that tweet because it’s funny.”)

Rush Limbaugh praised the alt right on his show earlier this month, though he didn’t appear to know what it was; a caller called in and described a vague version of it, saying, “There’s a group of younger people called ‘the alt right.’ And it started in the last few years in Europe because of the Muslim invasion.” Still, it put the term on the air for Limbaugh’s millions of listeners to hear.

Despite these glimmers of something approaching recognition, the alt right remains proudly outside of the mainstream. For Richard Spencer, the alt right is a rejection of the intellectual conservatism of the late 20th and early 21st centuries.

“We don’t have a starting point with William F. Buckley, we don’t have the same starting point as Richard Lowry and Jonah Goldberg and National Review,” Spencer said. The alt right is “radically different from George W. Bush, the conservative movement, etc. It really was a notion of an alternative.”

The alt right’s current moment in the sun has actually been a long time coming. The movement is undergirded by some of the ideas espoused by Dark Enlightenment or neoreactionary thinkers like the English philosopher Nick Land and the the American computer programmer Curtis Yarvin (aka “Mencius Moldbug”). Land and Yarvin have for years espoused a rejection of democracy and a return to traditional authoritarian structures. But the Dark Enlightenment thinkers are the definition of inaccessible; both Land and Yarvin’s writings are eye-glazingly verbose. A representative Land sentence, from his manifesto on the Dark Enlightenment: “The war on political incorrectness creates data-empowered, web-coordinated, paranoid and poly-conspiratorial werewolves, superbly positioned to take advantage of liberal democracy’s impending rendezvous with ruinous reality, and to then play their part in the unleashing of unpleasantnesses that are scarcely imaginable (except by disturbing historical analogy).”

The alt right’s genius is in dispensing with the self-marginalizing pseudo-intellectual stuff and getting straight to the point, and not in the creaky hit-you-over-the-head fashion of, say, Stormfront, but the slangy and freewheeling argot of the internet in 2015. The Right Stuff has a page devoted to the lexicon of the alt right, a collection of terms that pop up frequently on Twitter once you know what to look for. “Fash,” for example, for fascist. “Merchant” for Jews.

“Dindu nuffins” for “an obviously guilty black man.” Where neoreactionary thinkers refer to “the Cathedral” as shorthand for the politically correct elite establishment, The Right Stuff is more pointed in calling it “the Synagogue.” Rare Pepes, the frog meme native to 4chan, are common. The Right Stuff forums are rife with memes targeting, for example, Jeb Bush as a weakling (a recent Bush-related thread is titled “Suicide Watch Headquarters”) and portraying Trump as a hero (see “Memes of Der Trumpenfuhrer”). The culture clearly draws on 4chan — the /pol/ board is another hub.

This can all make it difficult to discern who’s a real racist and who’s a troll doing it to be edgy, as Ken White, the lawyer and blogger at Popehat and a keen observer of politics on the internet, pointed out. The Popehat Twitter feed, co-run by White, has described alt right as “white supremacy for people with soft hands.”

“It’s really hard to tease out the genuine white nationalists from the trolls,” White told BuzzFeed News, but, “at a certain point, the distinction isn’t meaningful. If you spend all day saying white nationalist things online but you claim you’re doing it ironically, it’s not clear to me what the difference really is.”

“They’re a lot more internet savvy, a lot more immersed in internet culture as well as mainstream culture, and they’re relatively good at using those tools to get their message out,” White said.

One of the central figures on the alt right internet is Paul Ramsey, a 52-year-old in Oklahoma who makes YouTube videos as RamzPaul. He agreed to an interview with BuzzFeed News on one condition: that he would record it.

I agreed to his terms, and interviewed him over the phone about the alt right movement and his role in it. Right after we got off the phone, Ramsey started tweeting about me and the interview. Immediately, a stream of anti-Semitic tweets came my way, without a word of this story having yet been written or published: “Oy vey! Look at that nose! I can’t imagine this ending well,” read one. “She looks like she echos,” read another, using a slang term on the alt right for being Jewish (see: The Right Stuff’s glossary). “She @RosieGray interviewed me once my .1% Jewish DNA results were published. We MOTs stick together,” Ramsey himself tweeted. Ramsey tweeted about my being “nice” and exhorted his followers to be nice to me in turn, but he also tweeted about how he planned to post the recording online so his followers could assess it — a not-so-subtle invitation to troll me.

Ramsey characterized the alt right as being neither mainstream conservatism nor neo-Nazism. As an example of the differences between the alt-right and neo-Nazis, he stated that the 14/88 crowd (14 for the “14 words” white supremacist slogan and 88 as shorthand for “Heil Hitler”) don’t like Trump because his daughter is Jewish (Ivanka Trump converted to Judaism), whereas the alt right doesn’t care about this and generally support Trump for his policies. Ramsey objects to the word “supremacist,” saying he’s a nationalist and doesn’t hate other people or think he’s better than them. He repeatedly invoked the example of Israel as a template of the kind of nationalism he seeks for the United States. In keeping with the alt right’s affinity for European identity movements, Ramsey often visits Europe and said he has recently been in Romania and Hungary, though he said he isn’t affiliated with any specific groups there.

I pressed him on the ideological specifics of the alt right. For example, does he believe that the Holocaust happened?

“I believe it should be able to be discussed, let me put it that way,” Ramsey said. “And that’s because — and it depends what you mean by the Holocaust. Do you mean that 6 million figure? You know that 6 million figure has been used many times before World War II, did you know that?”

Ramsey framed the alt right is part of a nationalist struggle against globalism — “Do we want to have a global entity or self-determination?” But on the topic of how his ideal United States, a country of people of white European heritage, could be achieved despite the fact that the country is currently racially diverse — a topic that inevitably leads to questions about the use of violence — Ramsey was vague. “These things are kind of organic in that when people are free, they tend to organically make communities,” he said, citing Trump’s immigration policy as the kind of move that constitutes an important first step.

He’s not the only one for whom the actual political project is a little hard to pin down.

“If I had to take a political position, I’d say that I’m pro-secession,” said Jack Donovan, a writer associated with the alt right who is known for his writings about masculinity. “America is too big. The U.S. government is bloated and there is too much money in the game. I think smaller is better, and I’d like to see America break up along its natural dividing lines.”

“Personally, I am focused on building tribal networks of interdependent people who share my values, culture, and heritage — using immigrant communities as an example. I can’t control what hand-puppet legislators do or say, but I can control my own social world,” Donovan said.

Michael Anissimov, another writer associated with the neoreactionary movement, recently proposed a solution in an ebook manifesto titled The Idaho Project. It’s about his plan to move to a rural area in Idaho and invite other people to live with him whom he “personally gets along with.”

“This book proposes an alternative point of view called enclavism, the idea that we should create our own desired societies by coalescing in low-population, defensible regions of the United States like Idaho,” the book’s blurb on Amazon states.

Nebulous future secession plans aside, the real juice for the alt right is in today’s political moment. Donald Trump has been the Republican front-runner for over five months, and shows few signs of slowing down. For Spencer, this is a vindicating moment.

“He’s bigger than the conservative movement, he’s bigger than the GOP establishment, and he’s proven that you don’t have to play their game,” Spencer said. “And I think that’s inspiring and liberating for a lot of alt righters.”

A spokesperson for the Trump campaign didn’t respond to a request for comment.


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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby American Dream » Mon Jan 04, 2016 3:26 pm

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HOODS ALL AROUND: HOW THE DAILY SHOAH DUMBED DOWN THE ALT RIGHT

JANUARY 4, 2016 ANTIFASCISTFRONT

On Friday, New Year’s Day, Richard Spencer posted a new episode of the Radix Journal Podcast. The podcast has evolved over the years, starting as Vanguard Radio, a “radical traditionalist” podcast for his Alternative Right website. He has since split from that brand, taken the helm of the National Policy Institute, and started the Radix Journal. The podcast has often been conversations with people on the racist and neo-fascist right wing, often including pseudo-intellectuals, professors, and authors. Here they have attempted to reclaim a right-wing academic avant garde, where he has had conversations with everyone in his movement from Matthew Heimbach to Paul Gottfried to Kevin McDonald. Conversations often looked at things like race and IQ, the German Conservative Revolution, Julius Evola, male tribalism, the Republican party viewed from the right, contemporary theories of anti-semitism, and profiles of organizations like the League of the South and Youth for Western Civilization. The niche that Spencer carved out for himself, and really built the Alternative Right around, was that he would be more thoughtful and philosophical than those nationalists better known for burning crosses and shaved heads.

At least, that used to be the case.

In this new episode, called Cuckservative Speaks, he labeled it “A famous Cuckservative and respected Beltway pundit pays a surprise visit to the 2015 NPI conference.” Here Spencer makes one of the most profoundly embarrassing moves of his career where he attempts to do a funny mocking impression of a “Cuckservative” Republican, complete with awkward voices and dubbed in laughter and applause. The podcast was essentially him dressing up in skinny jeans and trying to “hang with you youths,” which may reveal why he has become known for his “fashy” hair.

What Spencer is trying to capture here is clear, in his attempt at both style and rhetoric.

Since its first episode in August of 2014, The Right Stuff’s primary podcast, The Daily Shoah, has become one of the most popular white nationalist program on the internet. It has done this by taking the themes and ideas of the Alternative Right, meaning a contemporary white nationalism and neo-fascist politic, and bringing it back down into the gutter where they can understand it. Earlier in our tenure, we did a couple of articles about The Daily Shoah discussing how they reveal exactly what the “suit and tie fascists” of the Alt Right really are. Since their inception they have added a half dozen other shows, all trying to one-up each other on how self-referential and offensive they can be. Now they have moved beyond simply being the “straight talk” of the Alt Right as they force all of their “colleagues” to side with their own vulgar racial hate.

The Daily Shoah was billed as “Opie and Anthony for white nationalists,” yet it is mainly composed of skits and jokes that mock the holocaust, deride people of color as subhuman animals, and generally call for the abolition of equality, democracy, and compassion. Their open use of racial slurs and over the top racial jokes was unequivocally opposed by people like Richard Spencer for years. Spencer has openly said that these types of words are an affront to the movement, that they miss the point of an acceptable racial nationalism, and basically would make him look like a “jerk.” Greg Johnson, the eccentric academic founder of Counter Currents has also said that he does not like this kind of racial humor, saying that it is vulgar and completely regressive. Even RamZPaul, the racist YouTube sensation known for making nationalist comedy videos, has openly distanced himself away from “radicals” who use Nazi imagery.

Not only has all of these people now joined The Daily Shoah on different episodes, and in many cases invited hosts like Mike Enoch onto their own shows, but they laughed along and even joined in calling people “fa****s” and “Dindus.”


This participation is only one way that TRS has begun to show its dominance in the Alt Right-sphere, but their ideas, rhetoric, and language has begun to seep into all channels tuned to their racial arson. Terms like “LARPing,” “Cuckservative,” “The Current Year,” “Wow, just wow,” have all become common place, with the Radix Journal continuing to use them as jokes and show titles, almost as though the agenda is being set by idiots at the back of the class. This extended even into their 2015 National Policy Institute Conference, where those TRS in-jokes were the lowest common denominator for conference attendees.

In general, TRS has gained its popularity through very concerted internet trolling, using provocative hashtags to chase trending topics, and use insular jokes and internet culture as the barometer of actually “seeping into the culture.” This has had a modicum of success, at least in terms of media coverage. They broke through with the #Cuckservative meme, and then joined in with the #BoycottStarWars campaign that very unsuccessfully went after the movie because it included a black character. Lately, they have become the Donald Trump fan-network, and use the #AltRight hashtag to connect the reactionary Trump campaign with their own “forward thinking” white nationalism.

It is less that that rest of the Alt Right is willing to have their brand dumbed down by the the Daily Shoah as much as they have begun to realize that this is the mindset most of their audience base actually has. The image of the intellectual white nationalist who bases his ideas simply on identity rather than racial hatred and angry bigotry is a myth, one that was created by them only to appear to be on the vanguard of radical politics. Instead, their movement is built on angry “men in basements” who define political participation and movement building as harassing Buzzfeed reporters on Twitter using false accounts. The Daily Shoah itself reveals its lack of intellectual pedigree quickly, where the hosts often deny the existence of global warming and reduce complex political issues simply to the fact that one person in a story is Jewish(We are still perplexed how Jewish ancestry automatically leads them to politics you disagree with, or how the complete lack of Jewish consensus on politics affirms your narrative.). Spencer has seen the writing on the wall very clearly and is jumping on it, allowing these ridiculous inside jokes define his message because he really believes that these angry message boards hold the roots of some “paradigm shift.”

For anti-fascists, The Daily Shoah presents one of the clearest opportunities to destroy the “identitarian” mirage by showing exactly what their message means when stripped of its Evolian wordplay. While people like Spencer may rap philosophic about Heidegger, Mike Enoch says exactly what the white nationalist movement is built on, complete with calling war refugees “barbarian hordes.” Their politics have always been disgusting, but at least now the pretense has been shaken off as, it turns out, they never needed it to attract their base.

White nationalism has desperately grasped at intellectual straws for the last several years, including creating an Alt Right with so many disparate strands that barely recognize one another. Once the Right Stuff fades after Donald Trump’s campaign becomes a memory, people like Spencer and Greg Johnson will likely regroup and double back on their conference-circuit. This, however, is tactical rather than essential as, no matter how they phrase it, their politics are as complicated as the hoods that came before them.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby Luther Blissett » Mon Jan 04, 2016 4:42 pm

brainpanhandler » Thu Dec 31, 2015 5:52 pm wrote:
jakell » Thu Dec 31, 2015 4:05 pm wrote:There is a thornier issue from the same stable that arose a little while back.. gender issues , or rather the promoting of the zanier end of these with no comeback tolerated.


Show me when this happened and hopefully I won't have to ask you to define tolerated.

Why can't you just say what you mean, clearly, so that there is less room for misunderstanding?


From my perspective, it felt like advocacy for trans rights was barely tolerated on that thread.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby jakell » Mon Jan 04, 2016 6:10 pm

Missed this somehow:

brainpanhandler » Thu Dec 31, 2015 10:52 pm wrote:
jakell » Thu Dec 31, 2015 9:05 pm wrote:
Wombaticus Rex » Thu Dec 31, 2015 3:25 pm wrote:*Token Disclaimer About Not Partaking in Amateur Psychological Diagnosis, Written by a Moderator Who Openly Pathologizes All Of You*

With that out of the way, I'm glad you're viewing AD from this perspective. It's not like he's going to lead a coup here any time soon, and we're in even less danger of him controlling a political movement. We're all in this together and I think we can accommodate him just fine, mostly because we have so far, for years now.


I would say that this is retrospectively overconfident. While it's true that RI is now finding its way around this rather lumpen phenomena, I think that's more of an indication of the way the wind is blowing anyway; people are taking the standard 'anti-fascist' diatribes less seriously.

There is a thornier issue from the same stable that arose a little while back.. gender issues , or rather the promoting of the zanier end of these with no comeback tolerated. That will be test of RI I think.


Show me when this happened and hopefully I won't have to ask you to define tolerated.

Why can't you just say what you mean, clearly, so that there is less room for misunderstanding?



I did say what I meant, and if it's unclear to some, that is intentional. Tapitso got it right, I do use a veiled mode of expression, and that is to avoid becoming entangled with those who mainly emote based on rather basic memes and triggers

It's that eggshell thing again

jakell » Fri Jan 01, 2016 12:13 am wrote:
tapitsbo » Thu Dec 31, 2015 10:54 pm wrote:I can't be the only one here who has a physical reaction of both pain and laughter in response to jakell's veiled mode of expression.


Just to post at all sometimes, especially on certain issues means walking on eggshells. I know there are a few folks keen on displaying their high-horsemanship and I'm anxious to avoid all that.
It is those eggshell issues that interest me though.

Happy new year BTW.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Jan 04, 2016 6:14 pm

Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby jakell » Mon Jan 04, 2016 6:46 pm

I reckon I'm getting a bit jaded with forums nowadays. Once there was a time I'd spend hours and pages and pages tirelessly running over those hot button issues, hardly realising that some folks were simply all about emoting and no amount of discourse would move us even an inch towards an understanding.

Nowadays, I cut my losses and carefully skirt those issues. Not to avoid them though, that's an error, just to handle them very gingerly (there's a word I haven't used for a while)


ETA: it probably popped into my mind due to the woman's hair above. funny the way the mind works.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby American Dream » Mon Jan 04, 2016 6:55 pm

Luther Blissett » Mon Jan 04, 2016 3:42 pm wrote:
From my perspective, it felt like advocacy for trans rights was barely tolerated on that thread.


Advocacy for trans rights was- at best- barely tolerated on that thread.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby kool maudit » Tue Jan 05, 2016 6:56 am

Perhaps there is no longer any middle. Maybe the various sub-Overton windows do not overlap. Maybe the act of accepting even the premises of one, of interacting in good faith with another, is finally an intolerable betrayal of one's home.

I am seeing more and more of this. We bemoan polarization, but what if it's real and honest, a natural consequence of necessarily exclusive worldviews?

Or maybe not. Maybe the various strands of ideology are starting to demand greater fealty from their adherents as they prepare for battle in the physical realm. Sometimes I read books and essays from other times and am startled by how many different ideas there were, how many different sorts of person in common circulation.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby brainpanhandler » Tue Jan 05, 2016 1:06 pm

jakell » Mon Jan 04, 2016 5:10 pm wrote:
brainpanhandler » Thu Dec 31, 2015 5:52 pm wrote:
jakell » Thu Dec 31, 2015 4:05 pm wrote:There is a thornier issue from the same stable that arose a little while back.. gender issues , or rather the promoting of the zanier end of these with no comeback tolerated.

Show me when this happened and hopefully I won't have to ask you to define tolerated.

Why can't you just say what you mean, clearly, so that there is less room for misunderstanding?

I did say what I meant, and if it's unclear to some, that is intentional. Tapitso got it right, I do use a veiled mode of expression, and that is to avoid becoming entangled with those who mainly emote based on rather basic memes and triggers

It's that eggshell thing again


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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Jan 05, 2016 1:10 pm

fuck........ stop it ...look who's calling someone a troll our resident sudo psychiatrist now acting as RI official troll hunter

why don't you just put in your resume to Jeff and get your name in lights over the GD forum
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