Mass sexual assaults in Cologne

[backtoiam]

the wombat said:

One last point, though: wartime exodus and refugee camps are structural correlates for sex crimes. It doesn't matter what nationality or haplotypes you cram behind those fences and into those tarp tents; that pressure warps the fuck out of people. It also doesn't exactly help when the immigrants come from places that treat women like animal property, such as Afghanistan or Louisiana.

The notion that Americans have a moral obligation to shelter the victims of our imperial wars is absurd to me -- stupid, in fact. The resentments they nurse won't go away, and giving them access to our spectacular infrastructure is essentially "stochastic terrorism," a phrase the Left has become quite enamored with in the wake of the 90's anti-abortion movement.

Thank you. (Big hand clap, seriously) This shit is intentional. We are all caught up in it. The big Octopus wants us to fight each other based on race and class so we won't look up at the horizon and see the real deal. This is a very "crafty" deal.

[jakell]

Unfortunately, while Gatestone is indeed a shrill outlet, they are exaggerating rather than fabricating. The facts are a bit of a mess, but this meme was manufactured from existing parts.

First: "The UNODC discourages any cross-national comparisons based on their reports, because of the differences that exist between legal definitions, methods of offense counting and crime reporting." Significant because the UNODC is the original source for this, their 2012 report (raw data xls)indicating that Sweden was, in headline parlance, The Rape Capital of the World.

Comparing different criminal justice systems is never a 1:1 proposition -- as some anonymous wiki drone puts it: "In Sweden there is a comparatively broad definition of what constitutes rape. This means that more sexual crimes are registered as rape than in most other countries."

This meme has been around a long time, too, and it is only breaking state-side because ... well, all the reasons discussed earlier this page, those were good riffs. It is America's Turn so there's a lot of agitprop on both sides. (Sympathy vs. Fear.)

Sweden is very astutely dealing with all this by refusing to investigate. One thing both sides of this argument agree upon, with no small relief, is the fact Sweden hasn't done any investigations on this since 2005. This is probably because a 1995 investigation, which had the rare temerity to break out statistics by race, found that North African & Iraqi immigrants were more likely to commit rape than any other Swedish residents, by a double digit factor.

Except, you know, for Italians.

One last point, though: wartime exodus and refugee camps are structural correlates for sex crimes. It doesn't matter what nationality or haplotypes you cram behind those fences and into those tarp tents; that pressure warps the fuck out of people. It also doesn't exactly help when the immigrants come from places that treat women like animal property, such as Afghanistan or Louisiana.

The notion that Americans have a moral obligation to shelter the victims of our imperial wars is absurd to me -- stupid, in fact. The resentments they nurse won't go away, and giving them access to our spectacular infrastructure is essentially "stochastic terrorism," a phrase the Left has become quite enamored with in the wake of the 90's anti-abortion movement.

Whether North Americans have a fairly realistic and hardheaded attitude like this, or whether they are soft hearted, the issue is relatively abstract compared to those of us on this side of the Atlantic, so possibly some of the words flying around may be a bit empty.

https://www.rt.com/news/329933-calais-port-migrants-ferry/

There have probably been comparative incidents to this but I haven't been paying close attention. This seems pretty large and relatively well organised and maybe a little more external organisation and structure, possibly with a few weapons and even explosives available will grab more attention.
I will be watching for further similar incidents though, I would think that others may have noticed the potential here.

[American Dream]

Wingy-dingys on both sides of the Atlantic are eager to exploit the hatred:

MSM Starting to Pay Attention to Anti-Muslim/Anti-Government Groups and Individuals

On July 15, 2016, PEGIDA Canada held what it referred to as a "flash demo":

Continues at: http://anti-racistcanada.blogspot.com/2 ... -anti.html

[jakell]

......https://www.rt.com/news/329933-calais-port-migrants-ferry/

There have probably been comparative incidents to this but I haven't been paying close attention. This seems pretty large and relatively well organised and maybe a little more external organisation and structure, possibly with a few weapons and even explosives available will grab more attention.
I will be watching for further similar incidents though, I would think that others may have noticed the potential here.

I posted on the above incident as I heard it more or less live on BBC radio, the BBC hadn't got around to doing an online piece at the time, hence the RT one.

This morning I'm hearing a bit more focus provided by the head of the UK Road Haulage Association (on BBC radio again) about how dangerous things are becoming, talking of 'javelins' and fridges being thrown from road bridges. It's notable how the online article is not so detailed in these respects.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35394673

I'm bringing it here as the port situation was discussed earlier in this thread, accompanied by some very naive comments about offering them a lift etc and not being so mean. Again, possibly a perspective assisted by looking (consciously?) through the wrong end of a telescope from the other side of the Atlantic Ocean.

[Occult Means Hidden]

Since the dust has settled a bit, I think the only thing the media was guilty of was exaggeration. In some cases reporting the total crimes reported as the number of sexual assaults. However what seems to occurred is enough witness allegations that roving bands of men, most immigrants of some form, did indeed assault many women en masse. And not just in Germany either - to the point that it was worthy of reportage. I know the natural tendency here is to blame the media or blowback from American foreign policy or whatever. But in light of the fact that some sort of organized sexual assault binge was conducted I think the initial posters here denying it or attributing to bad apples and propaganda should consider that not all evil comes from the West and perhaps they are trapped, without realization, in this way of thinking.

[American Dream]

I am most concerned about how fascist/reactionary types will try to exploit these sorts of things in the service of their own hateful and misguided agenda:

On January 30th, hundreds of nationalists, racists and out-and-out Neo-Nazis will descend on the port of Dover to protest against refugees. Since the collapse of the EDL, dozens of splinter groups have been active across the country trying to fill the vacuum left behind. Many have moved further to the right, towards an overtly pro-fascist and white supremacist politics, some carrying out so-called “lone wolf” attacks against mosques. Whilst many thousands of people have given aid and solidarity to those fleeing war in Syria, the Middle-East and North Africa, these far-right gangs want to build an extreme right street movement to oppose them. Now, they are calling a “unity demonstration” in Dover, against migrants and the current border regime, and against the European Union, invoking slogans such as “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children” coined by convicted white supremacist terrorist David Lane.

http://www.weareplanc.org/blog/states-n ... -in-dover/

[jakell]

Not to mention your own exploitation of these things AD.

I note that, several times now, you have bigged up this event that hasn't happened yet (always with the obligatory photograph).
As I've said though, I look forward to a proper retrospective on it.

[kool maudit]

I am most concerned about how fascist/reactionary types will try to exploit these sorts of things

That's the accusation right there, that your care for the thing itself is insufficient. That's where the right's hook is landing.

[jakell]

I am most concerned about how fascist/reactionary types will try to exploit these sorts of things

That's the accusation right there, that your care for the thing itself is insufficient. That's where the right's hook is landing.

You put that quite well, although folks from all over the political spectrum can be guilty of this; to take a human scale tragedy and, by abstracting, reduce it to a game of chess.

Sometimes it's hard to tell whether the Left or Right are more guilty of this, but one thing is for sure, the Left are the ones who are supposed to care more, so when they appear not to, the hypocrisy is more stark.

[American Dream]

I am most concerned about how fascist/reactionary types will try to exploit these sorts of things

That's the accusation right there, that your care for the thing itself is insufficient. That's where the right's hook is landing.

That's kind of an opaque comment, not sure if that was your intent.

I think that the far right is exceedingly dangerous to those they target: people of color, immigrants, muslims, jews, cross cultural/"racial" couples, women, queer people, "other" nationalities, etc.

The iterations of the radical right that claim to be different, e.g., just concerned with separation, not attack, I don't find particularly persuasive. I see them as existing as part of a bigger ecology that their verbal disavowal does not erase.

In that way, I consider Fascism and the Far Right generally to be against what Rigorous Intuition should- and does- stand for.

I understand the contradictions with people cheering that shit on who are conspiracy-oriented and/or who want to cynically exploit such people, but that is the crux of the problem: Conspiracy culture itself is not so separate from the immoral and misguided conspiracies of the world but is, to an under-recognized degree, actually a tool of such conspiracies. Yes there are plenty of useful idiots but also some wolves in sheep's clothing. Things have been this way for a long, long time.

This is only one of many reasons to be an anti-fascist, in my view, and I therefore greatly appreciate Jeff Wells' efforts to support this tendency.

[JackRiddler]

Since the dust has settled a bit, I think the only thing the media was guilty of was exaggeration. In some cases reporting the total crimes reported as the number of sexual assaults.

I also suspect this to be the case, though must allow as always in media-whirlwind cases a minimum of 20% skepticism even on the central thesis.

However, your syntax is defusing a pretty serious media crime: "Only thing"? "In some cases reporting the total crimes reported [meaning pickpockets etc.] as the number of sexual assaults"? You do realize what this "only" exaggeration -- turning dozens of physical harrassments and one rape by an indeterminate number of gang into hundreds of sexual assaults by "1000 Muslim men" -- very predictably turned into? You do see how it stoked the dedicated racists and Breivik Jihadis of the Web to present it, in their falsely attributed Youtube videos and the like? "Mooslim mobs in the thousands rape 300 women in Colonge" (in open view of Librul-Left-Multikulti Police) is not an exaggeration of what this "exaggeration" of the mainstream media's has become in the Meme-O-Sphere. Is it? And this is now the emotional "truth" of the affair throughout the West. Something that no correction or revision is going to fix any more.

Forty-four people drowned near Lesbos the other day. Most of them women and children. Who cares, right? EU implying they'll fence off the Greek border themselves. A German state government's confiscating valuables from refugees as they come in. Even wombat wants to close the border to the Syrian refugees -- even though they're not the North African migrants to whom the Cologne crimes are attributed -- which I'm sorry, wombat, that's wrong long as you're bombing them and for at least a year after you fucking stop bombing them. And Biden just suggested US-Turkey are ready for a "military solution" to Syria, as if the peace-bombing and all the other peace-making and peace-financing of jihadis and peace-arms-selling to Saudis has not already sent enough refugees fleeing into... Turkey, mostly. I see these as related, obviously, and as greatly exacerbated by this kind of media "exaggeration." No excuse for them.

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[jakell]

Since the dust has settled a bit, I think the only thing the media was guilty of was exaggeration. In some cases reporting the total crimes reported as the number of sexual assaults.

I also suspect this to be the case, though must allow as always in media-whirlwind cases a minimum of 20% skepticism even on the central thesis.

However, your syntax is defusing a pretty serious media crime: "Only thing"? "In some cases reporting the total crimes reported [meaning pickpockets etc.] as the number of sexual assaults"? You do realize what this "only" exaggeration -- turning dozens of physical harrassments and one rape by an indeterminate number of gang into hundreds of sexual assaults by "1000 Muslim men" -- very predictably turned into? You do see how it stoked the dedicated racists and Breivik Jihadis of the Web to present it, in their falsely attributed Youtube videos and the like? "Mooslim mobs in the thousands rape 300 women in Colonge" (in open view of Librul-Left-Multikulti Police) is not an exaggeration of what this "exaggeration" of the mainstream media's has become in the Meme-O-Sphere. Is it? And this is now the emotional "truth" of the affair throughout the West. Something that no correction or revision is going to fix any more.

Forty-four people drowned near Lesbos the other day. Most of them women and children. Who cares, right? EU implying they'll fence off the Greek border themselves. A German state government's confiscating valuables from refugees as they come in. Even wombat wants to close the border to the Syrian refugees -- even though they're not the North African migrants to whom the Cologne crimes are attributed -- which I'm sorry, wombat, that's wrong long as you're bombing them and for at least a year after you fucking stop bombing them. And Biden just suggested US-Turkey are ready for a "military solution" to Syria, as if the peace-bombing and all the other peace-making and peace-financing of jihadis and peace-arms-selling to Saudis has not already sent enough refugees fleeing into... Turkey, mostly. I see these as related, obviously, and as greatly exacerbated by this kind of media "exaggeration." No excuse for them.

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Actually, 'Even Wombat' isn't really talking of closing any borders. Your borders are already closed over there in your distant continent and the whole thing is pretty academic. It's only over here that it's not an abstraction.

OMH did say that 'now the dust has settled' which conflicts with your emotional truth in the memosphere that cannot be fixed. I would say that OMH is closer to the truth and that this event will have just become another blip along with other supposedly alarming events. the dust seems to settle pretty quickly when there's a lot of it, disturbed only slightly by distant hot air.

[Occult Means Hidden]

Jakell,

I get it. I lived in the UK for several years. The perception is different.

Riddler,

What's worse? Me underselling it? The media overselling it? Semantics? Or the fact that these crimes occurred? Let's ask the victims.

[jakell]

Jakell,

I get it. I lived in the UK for several years. The perception is different.

Riddler,

What's worse? Me underselling it? The media overselling it? Semantics? Or the fact that these crimes occurred? Let's ask the victims.

I've been remarking on the Calais situation here because, compared to those who actually live there, we have a fairly substantial moat called the English Channel, so even we are insulated to a degree.
When that moat is the Atlantic Ocean, it might as well be another world.

When the lorry driver video was first posted here, I was thinking along the lines that it is quite a different issue to that in Cologne, it certainly has a longer and different history, I reckon they are going to grow more similar though, in reality and in the way the media treats them. Twenty miles of water will not seem such a massive barrier to those who have already undertaken such a journey and all that is needed is traffickers willing to supply the vessels.

[Wombaticus Rex]

Even wombat wants to close the border to the Syrian refugees -- even though they're not the North African migrants to whom the Cologne crimes are attributed -- which I'm sorry, wombat, that's wrong long as you're bombing them and for at least a year after you fucking stop bombing them.

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You're borking my point. My point was that according to the United Nations, a statistical majority of the exodus commonly referred to as "Syrian refugees" are not even Syrians, and mostly young men.

And yes, bringing them to the United States would be stupid.

As ever - the "You" of Causality is where things get borked. Neither of us are bombing Syria, bruh.