Soros Open Society + "Anti-fascists" = Globalist propaganda

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Postby jakell » Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:17 am

General Patton » Wed Feb 24, 2016 2:47 pm wrote:
jakell » Wed Feb 24, 2016 4:00 am wrote:
The inaccuracy is not so important as much as the fact that they don't seem to care about it (same goes for our local enthusiast). If we marry inaccuracy with apathy and the sort of actions described and hinted at above then we have the potential for innocent people getting harassed and even hurt (I notice the venom is aimed at something as broad as a village)


It's somewhat pointless to compile a list of antifa arsons, threats, beatings, ect because they are not-so-subtly government backed in Europe and rarely get punished for them. Though locals do have a memory of their willingness to attack anyone that doesn't follow the party line. The oral history of their actions will live on long after they lose their government backing.


I'd never really thought of these folks of having any sort of large scale backing**, even though I've been rolling my eyes at their antics for years, I put most of it down to well meaning folks who, for emotional reasons, have had their cognitive skills impaired. Of course, there are a few crazies amongst them, as I discovered when being amongst animal-rights folk.
It's a good angle and probably one that only places such as RI would have dug up, so thanks Searcher.

Your mention of black metal encouraged me take some of this stuff over to AD's 'Drawing Lines..' thread.

**Apart from the Socialist Workers, no real funding available there, but a certain amount of energy and direction.
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Re: Soros Open Society + "Anti-fascists" = Globalist propag

Postby General Patton » Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:32 am

jakell » Wed Feb 24, 2016 10:17 am wrote:I'd never really thought of these folks of having any sort of large scale backing**, even though I've been rolling my eyes at their antics for years, I put most of it down to well meaning folks who, for emotional reasons, have had their cognitive skills impaired. Of course, there are a few crazies amongst them, as I discovered when being amongst animal-rights folk.
It's a good angle and probably one that only places such as RI would have dug up, so thanks Searcher.

Your mention of black metal encouraged me take some of this stuff over to AD's 'Drawing Lines..' thread.

**Apart from the Socialist Workers, no real funding available there, but a certain amount of energy and direction.


Then you'd be wrong, kek

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_Against_Fascism
Unite Against Fascism (UAF) is an anti-fascist[1] pressure group in the United Kingdom, with support from politicians of the three largest political parties in the House of Commons, including the current Conservative Prime Minister David Cameron and the late Labour politician Tony Benn.[2] It describes itself as a national campaign with the aim of alerting British society to a perceived threat of fascism and the far right — in particular the British National Party (BNP) — gaining a foothold at local, national and European elections, arguing that "there is a real danger that the BNP could get a significant platform in elected institutions."[3]


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 52082.html
Mr Farage alleged that members of the Unite against Fascism and Hope not Hate campaign groups had acted in a violent way and accused them turning up to his meetings and banging him “over the head with banners”. Both campaign groups have fully rejected his claims.

Speaking to Andrew Neil on the BBC Sunday Politics show, Mr Farage lamented the need for him to travel with four bodyguards, claiming that he “can’t stand it” because he has “always been a free spirit that’s wandered about the place and done my own thing”.

He told the programme: “Sadly we have a couple of organisations out there headed up by senior Labour party figures, who purport to be against fascism and extremism, who receive funding from the Department of Communities, who receive funding from the trade unions, who have acted in a violent way more than once.”


That's not to say that they have or need a large budget. They're useful idiots. You don't have to pay useful idiots.

On the other hand, as I've repeatedly pointed out, no one has done more for the spread of ultranationalism than antifa. Well played btw AD.

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Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:43 am

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AlicetheKurious » Wed Feb 24, 2016 8:33 am wrote:
Sounder » Wed Feb 24, 2016 2:47 pm wrote:It is so cool for AD to have inserted globalist propaganda in the globalist propaganda thread.


:lol:



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Postby American Dream » Wed Feb 24, 2016 2:29 pm

Hmm- so I see a bunch of people with proclivities for supporting far right causes and claims. Not surprisingly, Putin's Russia is on a spending spree funding far right ideologues. propagandists, parties, and various racist/fascist type individuals and groups.

At the same time Russia, Syria and Iran are tied together in major military operations in which many, many non-combatants (ie innocent civilians) are suffering and dying at a great rate. Not surprisingly, the above-mentioned reactionary groups often support the bloodshed sponsored by this axis as being somehow liberatory and good.

Without a doubt the US is still global hegemon (at least for now)- and Israel plays a strong role regionally and against its own internal colonies- and has a history of covert ops in various corners of the globe. They do lots and lots of really bad things, also. Many, many innocents suffer and die because of them, too.

Reading as much as I did of this thread, I can only conclude that "globalist" is a relatively vague term about which there is no real consensus because this serves to conceal the use of the phrase by folks with reactionary sympathies to certain reactionary elites, whilst using other elites as a sort of straw man to cover up the deficiencies of their analysis and ideology. Because Russia, Iran and Syria really are reactionary States which violently oppress people.

Neoliberalism is a cover too, and we should never welcome a Killary into the White House but how in the hell does that make these other bosses "good"?
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Postby AlicetheKurious » Wed Feb 24, 2016 2:59 pm

"Globalism" has become a euphemism for nullifying international law. International law is based on the principle of the inviolable sovereignty of states within their legal boundaries, and provides, in principle, a mechanism that can be used to defend vulnerable countries from imperial predators. Given the catastrophic cost of violations of the spirit and letter of international law, the world should be devoting all its energies to giving it teeth, and to creating an impartial system for holding violators accountable. Instead, it's being eroded and made irrelevant, and rather than powerful laws protecting nation-states, these are being increasingly replaced with powerful laws (with teeth) that protect corporations and their profits even at the cost of entire nations and human lives. Governments are supposed to be legally accountable to their people. If they're not, their own people have the right and even the duty to rise up against them and replace them. But "transnational" corporations, even in principle, are accountable only to their shareholders, and to the bottom line. Behind all the fog and mirrors, that's what this is all about.
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Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Feb 24, 2016 3:05 pm

American Dream » Wed Feb 24, 2016 1:29 pm wrote:Hmm- so I see a bunch of people with proclivities for supporting far right causes and claims.




so I see if I am not mistaken you are accusing a bunch of people here at RI?

Please name names so we all will know who you are talking about...we need to stay alert
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Postby Wombaticus Rex » Wed Feb 24, 2016 3:42 pm

AlicetheKurious » Wed Feb 24, 2016 1:59 pm wrote:"Globalism" has become a euphemism for nullifying international law.


I like that take quite a bit. We've recently had a thread about that very noun, and I like your definition the most so far.
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Postby AlicetheKurious » Wed Feb 24, 2016 4:13 pm

Wombaticus Rex wrote:I like that take quite a bit. We've recently had a thread about that very noun, and I like your definition the most so far.


Thanks! I hadn't checked out the thread, but I did skim its first page just now. I have no idea where the discussion led (I can guess!) but I thought kool maudit's OP indicated that his ideas, while (in my opinion) way too tentative, were essentially similar to mine.
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Postby Iamwhomiam » Wed Feb 24, 2016 4:31 pm

I also believe Alice's definition is valid. That's one of the main reasons for objecting to the TPP, that it relegates legal conflicts to be decided not by judges weighing the merits of the alleged violation of existing law, but to a committee of Corporatists, who base their decision upon economics.
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sun Feb 28, 2016 3:38 am

General Patton » 25 Feb 2016 01:32 wrote:
That's not to say that they have or need a large budget. They're useful idiots. You don't have to pay useful idiots.

On the other hand, as I've repeatedly pointed out, no one has done more for the spread of ultranationalism than antifa. Well played btw AD.

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Can you spell this process out tho.

Well maybe just write it down in a few bullet points, cos from where I sat* for the last 15 years no one has done more to spread ultra nationalism than ultra-nationalists.

*On a hill in Australia. Still sitting here too.
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Postby Sounder » Sun Feb 28, 2016 6:18 am

General Patton » 25 Feb 2016 01:32 wrote:
That's not to say that they have or need a large budget. They're useful idiots. You don't have to pay useful idiots.

On the other hand, as I've repeatedly pointed out, no one has done more for the spread of ultranationalism than antifa. Well played btw AD.

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Can you spell this process out tho.

Well maybe just write it down in a few bullet points, cos from where I sat* for the last 15 years no one has done more to spread ultra nationalism than ultra-nationalists.

*On a hill in Australia. Still sitting here too.


Pardon me for interjecting, but it would seem that increasing insecurity tends to increase expressions of hatred. If globalists by necessity, pit sub-groups of a nation against each other in order to weaken nation-states, then one of the resulting elements will be the empowering of ultra-nationalist elements.

If antifa were 'really' serious about getting 'rid' of fascists then they would not choose to be aligned with the color revolution clique.

However given that 'antifa' wants to destroy nation-states, it can reasonably be said that they also share responsibility for generating the forces that result in more ultra-nationalists and fascists.

Fascists are tools of the state and antifa is a tool of the deep state. Is one of them any less of a threat to all good people than the other one?
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Postby jakell » Sun Feb 28, 2016 6:39 am

Joe Hillshoist » Sun Feb 28, 2016 7:38 am wrote:
General Patton » 25 Feb 2016 01:32 wrote:
That's not to say that they have or need a large budget. They're useful idiots. You don't have to pay useful idiots.

On the other hand, as I've repeatedly pointed out, no one has done more for the spread of ultranationalism than antifa. Well played btw AD.

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Can you spell this process out tho.

Well maybe just write it down in a few bullet points, cos from where I sat* for the last 15 years no one has done more to spread ultra nationalism than ultra-nationalists.

*On a hill in Australia. Still sitting here too.


Even though GP's remark is a bit hyperbolic, I've said similar things too, obviously these things can't be quantified so it is mainly opinion.

My own criticisms have been levelled at what I know, our own antifa, who I regard to be mostly bumbling idiots, they have repeatedly failed to appreciate the new fronts that White Nationalism has opened and successfully utilised (going back quite a lot of years here too). This is described to a degree in AD's latest paste of the Antifascistnews piece and, even though the realisation seems to have dawned, it seems that the old cry of "No Platform!" will keep on being resurrected for the time being, preventing any significant progress.

I've found their clayfootedness to be astronomical and at times wilful, almost to the point of seeming deliberate (and here I hint towards the thread topic), and it is this that could be said to have aided the spread of ultra-nationalism more than anything else.
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sun Feb 28, 2016 9:42 am

AlicetheKurious » 25 Feb 2016 06:13 wrote:
Wombaticus Rex wrote:I like that take quite a bit. We've recently had a thread about that very noun, and I like your definition the most so far.


Thanks! I hadn't checked out the thread, but I did skim its first page just now. I have no idea where the discussion led (I can guess!) but I thought kool maudit's OP indicated that his ideas, while (in my opinion) way too tentative, were essentially similar to mine.


International law doesn't have the same sort of "mandate" that national laws (in "representative democracies") have. That's why one of the issues the "globalists", or at least the free trade mafias, push so hard is the notion of ISDS.

The ISDS mechanism is a central part of the international law that also governs the relations between nation states and the extent of their sovereignty. In the eyes of international capital it is as valid as any state based mandate.

(Although from my POV any state based mandate protects against unlimited power of transnational capital.)

Governments are supposed to be legally accountable to their people. If they're not, their own people have the right and even the duty to rise up against them and replace them. But "transnational" corporations, even in principle, are accountable only to their shareholders, and to the bottom line. Behind all the fog and mirrors, that's what this is all about.


Probably the real rights battle of the 21st century will be the battle between human (state based) rights and the rights of multi/transnational corporations to protect their shareholders interests. It'll be as brutal as any fight for human rights ever was probably.

The groundwork laid by all those treaties in the 90s and 00s and built on by FTAs and the TPP leaves open the possibility that at some point non state organisations might be in a position to seize whats owed them by a state using force. Imagine what sort of work organisations like Blackwater/Academi could find in that sort of climate.

As it is there are plenty of places where things are genuinely bad for people because of corporate colonialism. It's on a trajectory to get worse.
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Postby Sounder » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:54 am

Comment later


http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-new ... uild-power

“I will ask the governments to cooperate, to recognize that sovereignty is an illusion — that sovereignty is an absolute illusion that has to be put behind us,” declared former Goldman Sachs chairman Peter Sutherland, an ex-member of the Bilderberg Steering Committee who currently “serves” as the UN special representative of the secretary-general for international migration. “The days of hiding behind borders and fences are long gone. We have to work together and cooperate together to make a better world. And that means taking on some of the old shibboleths, taking on some of the old historic memories and images of our own country and recognizing that we’re part of humankind.”

Billionaire globalist and open-borders zealot George Soros, in denouncing European officials trying to control the human tsunami coming across their borders, similarly declared, “Our plan treats the protection of refugees as the objective and national borders as the obstacle.”

In essence, then, the engineered refugee crisis was created and is being used, at least in part, to advance what globalists often refer to in public as “global governance” and their “new world order.” As part of that, even the idea of nationhood is under fire — everybody is just part of “humankind,” as Sutherland put it. And as such, people must be governed by the “Parliament of Humanity,” as UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon referred to the dictators club known as the UN last year......



……In an interview with Bloomberg from the World Economic Forum (WEF) in Davos, Switzerland, the radical anti-national sovereignty statist claimed that Europe needed to finance a new “Marshall Plan” for the regions of the world from which the refugees are fleeing — regions and nations destroyed in large part by the globalist Western establishment figures pushing the new plan. Soros was expressing support for a proposal made earlier by a fellow globalist, German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble. The new Marshall Plan they envision seeks to transfer wealth from struggling European taxpayers to areas of the globe ruined by globalist machinations — but the real agenda goes much deeper, as did the last Marshall Plan after World War II.

“What is most important is for us to invest billions in those regions from which the refugees come to reduce the pressure on the external frontiers of Europe,” Schäuble argued in a panel discussion at the globalist WEF, speaking alongside several European prime ministers who also played a key role in flooding Europe with refugees displaced from the nations they helped destroy. “That will cost Europe much more than we thought.” Of course it will, and taxpayers, already suffering under a crushing burden, will pay for it all. Writing in the Soros-backed “Project Syndicate” propaganda organ in 2014, Schäuble previously called for a global taxation regime in a piece called Why Taxation Must Go Global,one of his many calls for more globalism and statism.

So what would a new “Marshall Plan” for the Middle East and Africa look like? A brief history of the original Marshall Plan might offer some clues. Officially known as the “European Recovery Program,” or ERP, the scheme involved transferring the equivalent of almost $150 billion in today’s dollars from U.S. taxpayers to Western European governments. The ostensible purpose was to help rebuild Europe after World War II. In practice, though, it served as a key tool in the transformation of Western Europe into a statist region dominated by Big Government and supranational institutions, eventually culminating in the subjugation of Europeans under the unaccountable EU super-state. That was the goal all along.....

…….Most alarmingly, perhaps, the EU military force would be able to “intervene” in European nations — even without permission from national authorities, as long as EU bosses claim the situation is “urgent.” In fact, even if the nation “considers that there is no need for additional intervention” from the new EU force, it could still be imposed by Brussels. The force would also have the power to commandeer national governments’ resources, something even the U.S. federal government cannot do to state or local authorities…..

,,,, If humanitarianism were truly the motivation, countless experts have pointed out, it would be radically more cost effective, not to mention humane, to help refugees and victims of globalist wars closer to their homes. Literally 25 to 50 times more people could be supported in Lebanon or Jordan than in Europe for the same amount of tax funds. The wars that destroyed Middle Eastern countries and caused the crisis to begin with would never have been launched if the purported “humanitarian concerns” of the establishment were genuine. Instead, the agenda is to advance globalism, pure and simple, and the establishment seems barely interested in concealing it anymore.

In short, the “refugee crisis” appears to have been engineered in yet another typical example of what legendary French philosopher Frédéric Bastiat described as concocting the antidote and the poison in the same laboratory. Now that the deed is done, politicians and establishment figures are pointing out the obvious while exploiting the inevitable public reaction. Hopefully the people of Europe and the world will be smarter than to fall for the ruse yet again, as the consequences are deadly serious.
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Postby coffin_dodger » Sat Jul 09, 2016 7:02 am

And this is from a bunch of finance guys:

How George Soros Singlehandedly Created the European Refugee Crisis—and Why Garrett/Galland 08 Jul 2016

George Soros is trading again.

The 85-year-old political activist and philanthropist hit the headlines post-Brexit saying the event had “unleashed” a financial-market crisis.

Well, the crisis hasn’t hit Soros just yet.

He was once again on the right side of the trade, taking a short position in troubled Deutsche Bank and betting against the S&P via a 2.1-million-share put option on the SPDR S&P 500 ETF.

More interestingly, Soros recently took out a $264 million position in Barrick Gold, whose share price has jumped over 14% since Brexit. Along with this trade, Soros has sold his positions in many of his traditional holdings.

cont - http://www.garretgalland.com/passing-parade/how-george-soros-singlehandedly-created-the-european-refugee-crisisand-why/
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